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"Harry Hope" |
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05 Sep 2006 07:51:00 PM |
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Searching for an honest vote count |
From a New York Times editorial, 9/5/06:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/05/opinion/05tue1.html?ex=1315108800&en=c0560775e07d9ee0&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
In Search of Accurate Vote Totals
It’s hard to believe that nearly six years after the disasters of
Florida in 2000, states still haven’t mastered the art of counting
votes accurately.
Yet there are growing signs that the country is moving into another
presidential election cycle in disarray.
The most troubling evidence comes from Ohio, a key swing state, whose
electoral votes decided the 2004 presidential election.
A recent government report details enormous flaws in the election
system in Ohio’s biggest county, problems that may not be fixable
before the 2008 election.
Cuyahoga County, which includes Cleveland, hired a consulting firm to
review its election system.
The county recently adopted Diebold electronic voting machines that
produce a voter-verified paper record of every vote cast.
The investigators compared the vote totals recorded on the machines
after this year’s primary with the paper records produced by the
machines.
The numbers should have been the same, but often there were large and
unexplained discrepancies.
The report also found that nearly 10 percent of the paper records were
destroyed, blank, illegible, or otherwise compromised.
This is seriously bad news even if, as Diebold insists, the report
overstates the problem.
Under Ohio law, the voter-verified paper record, not the voting
machine total, is the official ballot for purposes of a recount.
The error rates the report identified are an invitation to a meltdown
in a close election.
The report also found an array of other problems.
The county does not have a standardized method for conducting a manual
recount.
That is an invitation, as Florida 2000 showed, to chaos and
litigation.
And there is a serious need for better training of poll workers, and
for more uniform voter ID policies.
Disturbingly, the report found that 31 percent of blacks were asked
for ID, while just 18 percent of others were.
Some of these problems may be explored further in a federal lawsuit
challenging Ohio’s administration of its 2004 election.
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Watch Republican congressman Peter King talk about counting votes
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/peterking.mov
Harry
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| User: "Har-Lee ± Davey--Sun" |
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| Title: What You REALLY Mean Is.... |
05 Sep 2006 08:00:07 PM |
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If you lose, then it wasn't an accurate account of the voting totals. The
votes are only accurate if you win.
The buttboys believe exit polls over the actual votes counted. Therefore the
votes HAD to be false since they didn't coincide with the exit polls.
TNT
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| User: "John R Rybock" |
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| Title: Re: What You REALLY Mean Is.... |
06 Sep 2006 01:34:14 AM |
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Har-Lee =B1 Davey--Sun wrote:
If you lose, then it wasn't an accurate account of the voting totals. The
votes are only accurate if you win.
The buttboys believe exit polls over the actual votes counted. Therefore =
the
votes HAD to be false since they didn't coincide with the exit polls.
TNT
This is why in the 2004 election, I was kinda hoping Bush lost the
election via one state with a questionable count. I really don't want
to see any election where the final count is in question, but maybe
then we could get Republicans on board with the idea that in a
democracy, it is important to ensure that every vote is properly
counted.
Just look at the flip side of your argument: it doesn't matter if the
vote count was fair, just so long as you win. And that is
anti-democracy in the end.
We're not talking about overturning elections. We can't "redo" an
election. But in the aftermath, when it appears there were problems in
ensuring that every eligible American who chose to vote had their vote
counted, why can't we take steps to fix things? If you know that there
is a problem, what is the point of ignoring it or downplaying it rather
than fixing it, unless the core of our democracy is less important to
you than having your guys in power.
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| User: "Seethis Pass" |
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| Title: Re: What You REALLY Mean Is.... |
07 Sep 2006 09:08:08 AM |
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:00:07 GMT, "Har-Lee ± Davey--Sun"
<moy@snyu812ut.twa> wrote:
If you lose, then it wasn't an accurate account of the voting totals. The
votes are only accurate if you win.
The buttboys believe exit polls over the actual votes counted. Therefore the
votes HAD to be false since they didn't coincide with the exit polls.
TNT
Virtually all of the questionable ballots went to bush's favor.
There was massive fraud using easily falsified methods of vote
collection and tallying.
Give us a way to keep the vote honest or you are rightly to be
considered crooks.
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