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From UPI, 12/16/05:
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/security/article_2122037.shtml
Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush
by Martin Sieff
WASHINGTON, Dec. 16, 2005 -
The news reports Friday that President George W. Bush authorized
electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens without court permission
broke on the president at the worst possible time, when he was pushing
hard to reclaim his credibility with the American public over Iraq,
but getting hammered on torture and other national security issues at
the same time.
Ironically, had the story broken in the months after the
mega-terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, killed 2,800 people, the
president might have been able to shrug it off easily.
The New York Times reported Friday that in 2002 the president
personally authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the
international phone calls and international e-mails of at least
hundreds and probably thousands of people in the United States without
warrants in an effort to track-called "dirty numbers" linked to
al-Qaida.
In another controversial development, the New York Times said it had
the story a year ago but had held off from publishing it then after
appeals from administration officials who said its disclosure would
harm national security.
The White House initially had no comment on the story.
The controversy could hardly have occurred for the president and his
administration at a more sensitive time.
Over the past two weeks, Bush has made a series of forceful,
meticulously prepared speeches trying to avert, acknowledge and defuse
some of the many criticism he has received for his conduct of the Iraq
war.
In them, he tried to make the case to the American public to hang
tough in Iraq and stay the course there until a stable, democratic --
and pro-American -- government is securely established in Baghdad.
The president also timed his speeches to take place in the build-up
period to Iraq's parliamentary elections Thursday.
However, even before the electronic surveillance story appeared, the
president's credibility, far from being decisively restored as his
political strategists hoped, was still teetering in the balance.
For on Wednesday, the same day he gave the most recent of his Iraq
policy speeches at Washington's Woodrow Wilson Center, Bush received a
stunning humiliation -- in some respects, the worst of his five years
in the presidency so far -- from the House of Representatives.
The House overwhelmingly passed a non-binding resolution supporting
Sen. John McCain's Senate measure to outlaw torture by 308 votes to
122.
No less than 107 members of the GOP majority in the House -- a
majority that has been exceptionally disciplined in general and
especially uncritical of anything the White House wanted on any
national security issues -- voted for it.
Combined with the 90-to-nine approval the anti-torture measure had
already received in the Senate, this gave it potential veto-proof
majorities in both houses of Congress.
And so, on Thursday, Bush finally bowed to the inevitable and endorsed
it.
But now, the very day after the president was forced to make a
humiliating U-turn on a major national security issue, the New York
Times revelation supported by a similar story in Friday's Washington
Post, emerged.
And both stories immediately played big around the country and -- even
worse from the administration's point of view -- they over-shadowed
the set-piece story about the Iraqi general election that the White
House had counted on to rally the public behind it again.
Over the past two and half years, as the Sunni Muslim insurgency in
Iraq has slowly but relentlessly expanded in scale and intensity, the
administration has repeatedly been able to play for time and, at least
in the short term, redeem its credibility with the American pubic by
making high-profile, hyped and publicized media happenings of every
set-piece election and constitutional development in Iraq, even though
none of them so far have done anything at all to reduce insurgent
support or levels of activity.
But this new storm over the secret spying procedures looks certain
this time to trump that so-often-played card.
Even worse, coming right after the president was finally forced to
publicly acknowledge in his Iraq speeches that much of the
intelligence on the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction
there was false, he is now for the first time being put in the same
kind of hot seat that eventually grilled President Richard Nixon's
political career to a crisp:
authorizing secret spying and surveillance operations without legal or
constitutional approval.
The two cases in many ways are very different:
Bush ordered the NSA surveillance in 2002 not for narrow, partisan
political gain or to carry out dirty tricks against his political
opponents as Nixon did 30 years earlier but in the interests of
national security after the most bloody and devastating terrorist
attack on the American homeland in national history.
Nevertheless, if there is one issue on national security where
libertarian conservatives tend to join hands with liberal Democrats,
it is personal rights, especially privacy.
It was also striking that the story broke the same day the Senate
voted to end further debate on how much to renew or amend the
hotly-contested Patriot Act.
As a result, Bush now risks facing widespread criticism that he
irresponsibly grabbed and potentially abused powers that were his for
the taking had he only asked for them openly.
And his defense that he did so in the national interest at a time of
severe national crisis would have played well before he authorized the
invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and even in the year that followed.
But instead, it has come out when even half of the president's own
congressional party has openly defied and repudiated him on the
torture issue, after he was forced to acknowledge the falsity of much
of his pre-war intelligence on Iraq, and right after he had for the
first time acknowledged a death toll of at least 30,000 Iraqis killed
also far as a result of the war.
______________________________________________________
And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.
Harry
.

User: "XTS"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 05:56:47 PM
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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From UPI, 12/16/05:
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/security/article_2122037.shtml

Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush

by Martin Sieff

WASHINGTON, Dec. 16, 2005 -

The news reports Friday that President George W. Bush authorized
electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens without court permission
broke on the president at the worst possible time, when he was pushing
hard to reclaim his credibility with the American public over Iraq,
but getting hammered on torture and other national security issues at
the same time.

Ironically, had the story broken in the months after the
mega-terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, killed 2,800 people, the
president might have been able to shrug it off easily.

The New York Times reported Friday that in 2002 the president
personally authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the
international phone calls and international e-mails of at least
hundreds and probably thousands of people in the United States without
warrants in an effort to track-called "dirty numbers" linked to
al-Qaida.

In another controversial development, the New York Times said it had
the story a year ago but had held off from publishing it then after
appeals from administration officials who said its disclosure would
harm national security.

The White House initially had no comment on the story.

The controversy could hardly have occurred for the president and his
administration at a more sensitive time.

Over the past two weeks, Bush has made a series of forceful,
meticulously prepared speeches trying to avert, acknowledge and defuse
some of the many criticism he has received for his conduct of the Iraq
war.

In them, he tried to make the case to the American public to hang
tough in Iraq and stay the course there until a stable, democratic --
and pro-American -- government is securely established in Baghdad.

The president also timed his speeches to take place in the build-up
period to Iraq's parliamentary elections Thursday.

However, even before the electronic surveillance story appeared, the
president's credibility, far from being decisively restored as his
political strategists hoped, was still teetering in the balance.

For on Wednesday, the same day he gave the most recent of his Iraq
policy speeches at Washington's Woodrow Wilson Center, Bush received a
stunning humiliation -- in some respects, the worst of his five years
in the presidency so far -- from the House of Representatives.

The House overwhelmingly passed a non-binding resolution supporting
Sen. John McCain's Senate measure to outlaw torture by 308 votes to
122.

No less than 107 members of the GOP majority in the House -- a
majority that has been exceptionally disciplined in general and
especially uncritical of anything the White House wanted on any
national security issues -- voted for it.

Combined with the 90-to-nine approval the anti-torture measure had
already received in the Senate, this gave it potential veto-proof
majorities in both houses of Congress.

And so, on Thursday, Bush finally bowed to the inevitable and endorsed
it.

But now, the very day after the president was forced to make a
humiliating U-turn on a major national security issue, the New York
Times revelation supported by a similar story in Friday's Washington
Post, emerged.

And both stories immediately played big around the country and -- even
worse from the administration's point of view -- they over-shadowed
the set-piece story about the Iraqi general election that the White
House had counted on to rally the public behind it again.

Over the past two and half years, as the Sunni Muslim insurgency in
Iraq has slowly but relentlessly expanded in scale and intensity, the
administration has repeatedly been able to play for time and, at least
in the short term, redeem its credibility with the American pubic by
making high-profile, hyped and publicized media happenings of every
set-piece election and constitutional development in Iraq, even though
none of them so far have done anything at all to reduce insurgent
support or levels of activity.

But this new storm over the secret spying procedures looks certain
this time to trump that so-often-played card.

Even worse, coming right after the president was finally forced to
publicly acknowledge in his Iraq speeches that much of the
intelligence on the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction
there was false, he is now for the first time being put in the same
kind of hot seat that eventually grilled President Richard Nixon's
political career to a crisp:

authorizing secret spying and surveillance operations without legal or
constitutional approval.

The two cases in many ways are very different:

Bush ordered the NSA surveillance in 2002 not for narrow, partisan
political gain or to carry out dirty tricks against his political
opponents as Nixon did 30 years earlier but in the interests of
national security after the most bloody and devastating terrorist
attack on the American homeland in national history.

Nevertheless, if there is one issue on national security where
libertarian conservatives tend to join hands with liberal Democrats,
it is personal rights, especially privacy.

It was also striking that the story broke the same day the Senate
voted to end further debate on how much to renew or amend the
hotly-contested Patriot Act.

As a result, Bush now risks facing widespread criticism that he
irresponsibly grabbed and potentially abused powers that were his for
the taking had he only asked for them openly.

And his defense that he did so in the national interest at a time of
severe national crisis would have played well before he authorized the
invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and even in the year that followed.

But instead, it has come out when even half of the president's own
congressional party has openly defied and repudiated him on the
torture issue, after he was forced to acknowledge the falsity of much
of his pre-war intelligence on Iraq, and right after he had for the
first time acknowledged a death toll of at least 30,000 Iraqis killed
also far as a result of the war.

______________________________________________________

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.

Harry

What we will see is the Nixon banner of "national security" unfolded again.
It's the catch all for republican swine that hate civil liberties, freedom,
our constitution, and want our form of government abolished and outsourced
to Iraq.
This should come as no surprise. What the hell was Ashcroft, Rice, Cheney,
Gonzalez, Franks, Wolfowitz all plotting when the conceived the patriot Act.
The revocation of our civil liberties. The writing has been on the wall
since 9-11 '01. We were all set up, the fear card was played over and over.
A War president, all the ***** led up to this and the "Liberal" NY Times
sat on the story for over a year. What more do we need to know? The fascist
are in. The took over, while the bush cultists cheered them on. Merry
Christmas. You got your phone tapped.
.

User: "Server 13"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 03:55:40 PM
Harry Hope wrote:

From UPI, 12/16/05:
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/security/article_2122037.shtml

Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush

by Martin Sieff

WASHINGTON, Dec. 16, 2005 -

The news reports Friday that President George W. Bush authorized
electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens without court permission
broke on the president at the worst possible time, when he was pushing
hard to reclaim his credibility with the American public over Iraq,
but getting hammered on torture and other national security issues at
the same time.

Ironically, had the story broken in the months after the
mega-terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, killed 2,800 people, the
president might have been able to shrug it off easily.

The New York Times reported Friday that in 2002 the president
personally authorized the National Security Agency to monitor the
international phone calls and international e-mails of at least
hundreds and probably thousands of people in the United States without
warrants in an effort to track-called "dirty numbers" linked to
al-Qaida.

In another controversial development, the New York Times said it had
the story a year ago but had held off from publishing it then after
appeals from administration officials who said its disclosure would
harm national security.

The White House initially had no comment on the story.

The controversy could hardly have occurred for the president and his
administration at a more sensitive time.

Over the past two weeks, Bush has made a series of forceful,
meticulously prepared speeches trying to avert, acknowledge and defuse
some of the many criticism he has received for his conduct of the Iraq
war.

In them, he tried to make the case to the American public to hang
tough in Iraq and stay the course there until a stable, democratic --
and pro-American -- government is securely established in Baghdad.

The president also timed his speeches to take place in the build-up
period to Iraq's parliamentary elections Thursday.

However, even before the electronic surveillance story appeared, the
president's credibility, far from being decisively restored as his
political strategists hoped, was still teetering in the balance.

For on Wednesday, the same day he gave the most recent of his Iraq
policy speeches at Washington's Woodrow Wilson Center, Bush received a
stunning humiliation -- in some respects, the worst of his five years
in the presidency so far -- from the House of Representatives.

The House overwhelmingly passed a non-binding resolution supporting
Sen. John McCain's Senate measure to outlaw torture by 308 votes to
122.

No less than 107 members of the GOP majority in the House -- a
majority that has been exceptionally disciplined in general and
especially uncritical of anything the White House wanted on any
national security issues -- voted for it.

Combined with the 90-to-nine approval the anti-torture measure had
already received in the Senate, this gave it potential veto-proof
majorities in both houses of Congress.

And so, on Thursday, Bush finally bowed to the inevitable and endorsed
it.

But now, the very day after the president was forced to make a
humiliating U-turn on a major national security issue, the New York
Times revelation supported by a similar story in Friday's Washington
Post, emerged.

And both stories immediately played big around the country and -- even
worse from the administration's point of view -- they over-shadowed
the set-piece story about the Iraqi general election that the White
House had counted on to rally the public behind it again.

Over the past two and half years, as the Sunni Muslim insurgency in
Iraq has slowly but relentlessly expanded in scale and intensity, the
administration has repeatedly been able to play for time and, at least
in the short term, redeem its credibility with the American pubic by
making high-profile, hyped and publicized media happenings of every
set-piece election and constitutional development in Iraq, even though
none of them so far have done anything at all to reduce insurgent
support or levels of activity.

But this new storm over the secret spying procedures looks certain
this time to trump that so-often-played card.

Even worse, coming right after the president was finally forced to
publicly acknowledge in his Iraq speeches that much of the
intelligence on the alleged existence of weapons of mass destruction
there was false, he is now for the first time being put in the same
kind of hot seat that eventually grilled President Richard Nixon's
political career to a crisp:

authorizing secret spying and surveillance operations without legal or
constitutional approval.

The two cases in many ways are very different:

Bush ordered the NSA surveillance in 2002 not for narrow, partisan
political gain or to carry out dirty tricks against his political
opponents as Nixon did 30 years earlier but in the interests of
national security after the most bloody and devastating terrorist
attack on the American homeland in national history.

Nevertheless, if there is one issue on national security where
libertarian conservatives tend to join hands with liberal Democrats,
it is personal rights, especially privacy.

It was also striking that the story broke the same day the Senate
voted to end further debate on how much to renew or amend the
hotly-contested Patriot Act.

As a result, Bush now risks facing widespread criticism that he
irresponsibly grabbed and potentially abused powers that were his for
the taking had he only asked for them openly.

And his defense that he did so in the national interest at a time of
severe national crisis would have played well before he authorized the
invasion of Iraq in March 2003 and even in the year that followed.

But instead, it has come out when even half of the president's own
congressional party has openly defied and repudiated him on the
torture issue, after he was forced to acknowledge the falsity of much
of his pre-war intelligence on Iraq, and right after he had for the
first time acknowledged a death toll of at least 30,000 Iraqis killed
also far as a result of the war.

______________________________________________________

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.

Little miss 'largely historical', lol
Even the Moonies are distancing themselves now.
.

User: "Dennis M"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 03:58:35 PM
In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.

That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).
.
User: "J.C."

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 04:32:46 PM
"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).

It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.
--
Look in the mirror dumbass. The current state
of affairs in America is YOUR fault and you
probably don't even have a clue as to why!
What this country needs is a government in which
there are two four year term limits for everybody,
no contributions of any kind to anyone that the
contributor can NOT vote for, no retirement plan
for politicians and no taxpayer money to anyone
that has not voted in 3 of the past 4 elections and
no taxpayer funded grants to anyone, only loans that
must be paid back at the private sector rate of interest.
Criticism is easy and takes no intelligence at all.
Offerring a valid, different solution takes brains.
J. C.
.
User: "tightwad"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 07:03:21 PM
J.C. wrote:

"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).



It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


They determine what is Illegal!
.

User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 08:44:38 PM
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.

I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Larry Hewitt"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 09:11:08 PM
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com...

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in

the

entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved

in

illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?

Just bcaue you are ordered to break the law does not absolve you of guilt.
Larry


--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 17 Dec 2005 12:57:39 AM
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:11:08 -0500, "Larry Hewitt"
<larryhewi@comporium.net> wrote:


"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com...

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in

the

entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved

in

illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Just bcaue you are ordered to break the law does not absolve you of guilt.

Depends who orders you. :)
To date, the courts have overturned only two executive orders: the
aforementioned Truman order and a 1996 order issued by President Bill
Clinton that attempted to prevent the U.S. government from contracting
with organizations that had strikebreakers on the payroll. Likewise,
the Congress may also overturn an executive order by passing
legislation in conflict with it or by refusing to approve funding to
enforce it. Because the president retains the power to veto such a
decision, however, the Congress usually needs a two-thirds majority to
override a veto and truly end an executive order.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_order
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.


User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 17 Dec 2005 08:45:55 AM
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in
the entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were
involved in illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


"If the president does a thing, then that is not a crime"
Richard Nixon
"When the Commander in Chief of a nation finds
it necessary to order government employees or
agents to do things that would technically break
the law, he has to be able to declare it legal
for them to do so"
Ronald Reagan defending Richard Nixon, 1977
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 18 Dec 2005 11:55:05 PM
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:45:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in
the entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were
involved in illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?





"If the president does a thing, then that is not a crime"
Richard Nixon


"When the Commander in Chief of a nation finds
it necessary to order government employees or
agents to do things that would technically break
the law, he has to be able to declare it legal
for them to do so"
Ronald Reagan defending Richard Nixon, 1977

Lincoln, Kennedy and FDR felt much the same.
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Mitchell Holman"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 19 Dec 2005 06:03:00 PM
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:doicq1dc75btpug1i3l7hrhkngr5dj7uc6@4ax.com:

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:45:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend

Bush's

signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in
the entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were
involved in illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?





"If the president does a thing, then that is not a crime"
Richard Nixon


"When the Commander in Chief of a nation finds
it necessary to order government employees or
agents to do things that would technically break
the law, he has to be able to declare it legal
for them to do so"
Ronald Reagan defending Richard Nixon, 1977

Lincoln, Kennedy and FDR felt much the same.

But none with the arrogance of Bush.
Mitchell Holman
"There ought to be limits to freedom."
George Bush, 1999.
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 19 Dec 2005 08:13:44 PM
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:03:00 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:doicq1dc75btpug1i3l7hrhkngr5dj7uc6@4ax.com:

On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 08:45:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman
<ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in
news:umu6q1ld05hqok52omm3j0boouajpfcef8@4ax.com:

On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend

Bush's

signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in
the entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were
involved in illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?





"If the president does a thing, then that is not a crime"
Richard Nixon


"When the Commander in Chief of a nation finds
it necessary to order government employees or
agents to do things that would technically break
the law, he has to be able to declare it legal
for them to do so"
Ronald Reagan defending Richard Nixon, 1977

Lincoln, Kennedy and FDR felt much the same.




But none with the arrogance of Bush.

So it's ok to oppress as long as your are humble?
There has never been a humble president.
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.




User: "Rich Travsky "

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 18 Dec 2005 11:04:31 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?

Amendment IV.
RT
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 18 Dec 2005 11:56:16 PM
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Rich Travsky "

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 20 Dec 2005 11:16:35 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.

Guessing???
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 21 Dec 2005 01:07:42 AM
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:16:35 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.


Guessing???

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Nice try. Not a legal cite.
United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, in
Sealed Case No. 02-001: November 2002.
United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 4th Cir. 1980 "We take for granted
that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so,
FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."
--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Rich Travsky "

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 28 Dec 2005 09:58:56 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:16:35 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.


Guessing???

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Nice try. Not a legal cite.

Hello???? The Constitution is as legal as it *gets*.

United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, in
Sealed Case No. 02-001: November 2002.

United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 4th Cir. 1980 "We take for granted
that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so,
FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

Pre FISA. And you don't read carefully.
The question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President’s power
by providing a mechanism that at least approaches a classic warrant and which
therefore supports the government’s contention that FISA searches are
constitutionally reasonable.
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 29 Dec 2005 10:16:08 AM
On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:58:56 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:16:35 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.


Guessing???

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Nice try. Not a legal cite.


Hello???? The Constitution is as legal as it *gets*.

The legality of any government action vis a vis the Constitution is
decided by Judges and courts not Constitutional scholars.

United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, in
Sealed Case No. 02-001: November 2002.

United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 4th Cir. 1980 "We take for granted
that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so,
FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."


Pre FISA. And you don't read carefully.

The question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President’s power
by providing a mechanism that at least approaches a classic warrant and which
therefore supports the government’s contention that FISA searches are
constitutionally reasonable.

--
"The president and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing
their memory, or their backbone, but we're not going to sit by and
let them rewrite history." -- ***** Cheney 11/16/2005
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "Rich Travsky "

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 03 Jan 2006 12:11:32 AM
Captain Compassion wrote:


On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 20:58:56 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 22:16:35 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:04:31 -0700, Rich Travsky <"
traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:32:46 GMT, "J.C." <jcsplace@hotmail.com> wrote:


"Dennis M" <dennmac@dennmac.net> wrote in message
news:dennmac-ya02408000R1612051558350001@NNTP.InfoAve.Net...

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.


That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country
without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why, but that's what the polls show).


It doesn't matter who is sleazy or who is pristene, if they were involved in
illegal wiretaps, they should go to jail.


I understand that there was an executive order for this so how could
this be illegal?


Amendment IV.

You're guessing. The legality of this action has yet to be tested in
court.


Guessing???

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and
effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by
oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Nice try. Not a legal cite.


Hello???? The Constitution is as legal as it *gets*.

The legality of any government action vis a vis the Constitution is
decided by Judges and courts not Constitutional scholars.

Scholars have nothing to with it. If the courts refer to the Constitution,
that's as legal a document as it gets.

United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, in
Sealed Case No. 02-001: November 2002.

United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 4th Cir. 1980 "We take for granted
that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so,
FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."


Pre FISA. And you don't read carefully.

The question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President’s power
by providing a mechanism that at least approaches a classic warrant and which
therefore supports the government’s contention that FISA searches are
constitutionally reasonable.

.



User: "Kilgore Trout"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 21 Dec 2005 09:15:50 AM
Captain Compassion wrote:

Nice try. Not a legal cite.

United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, in
Sealed Case No. 02-001: November 2002.

United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 4th Cir. 1980 "We take for granted
that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so,
FISA could not encroach on the President's constitutional power."

Nice try. I bet you didn't even read the ruling that you cited.
The ruling in Sealed Case No. 02-001 DID NOT say that the President had
the authority to wiretap US Citizens without a warrant. The case had
to do with whether it was legal to use information gained from
surveillance under FISA in a criminal proceeding (as opposed to being
able to use it only for intelligence purposes). And in fact, for the
case in question the government DID seek a court order.
In the United States v. Truong Dinh Hung case, the court actually found
the opposite of what you imply (and it was a case based on law *before*
the enactment of FISA).
In the Truong Dinh Hung case "the court held that the Executive Branch
should be excused from securing a warrant only when "the object of the
search or the surveillance is a foreign power, its agents or
collaborators," and "the surveillance is conducted 'primarily' for
foreign intelligence reasons."
What the President has admitted to doing, and which is NOT allowed by
FISA or any related court ruling, is electronic surveillance of US
CITIZENS with based on alleged "ties" to terrorist organizations,
without a warrant.
--
.







User: "gaffo"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 08:23:51 PM
Dennis M wrote:

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.



That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country without
first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in the
entire cabal (don't ask me why,

why?
but that's what the polls show).
because she is a women of course. she's a good speaker and hard to
rattle too.
that voice of hers I loathe, she sounds like she on the verge of tears
with every word she speaks. jsut about ready to bust out crying. a wierd
inflection of some sort - drives me batty........I have to tune out.
--
Treason-
Is there not some chosen curse, some hidden thunder in the stores of
heaven, red with uncommon wrath, to blast the man who owes his
greatness to his country's ruin!
---Joseph Addison
.
User: "XTS"

Title: Re: Secret Spying Revelations Rock Bush 16 Dec 2005 08:54:57 PM
"gaffo" <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote in message
news:XEKof.34413$q%.637@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...

Dennis M wrote:

In article <rva6q193ni843bemvcavg0lf7k86f281dd@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


And who was head of the NSA when this started back in 2002? Yup. You
guessed it. Kindalseazy Rice.



That's why the White House pushed her out front today to defend Bush's
signing off on the NSA spying on Americans inside their own country

without

first obtaining a court order. She's the least offensive character in

the

entire cabal (don't ask me why,




why?



but that's what the polls show).


because she is a women of course. she's a good speaker and hard to
rattle too.

that voice of hers I loathe, she sounds like she on the verge of tears
with every word she speaks. jsut about ready to bust out crying. a wierd
inflection of some sort - drives me batty........I have to tune out.

Dr. Rice is an ineffective media creation who has nothing to offer this
nation but one failure after another, and then a good long whine. I have
seen her act like nothing more than a college girl on the morning after a
freshman mixer trying to figure out where she woke up at and who was next to
her. She was a failure as NSA, so bush promoted her, because birds of a
feather dont like people smarter than they are occupying offices of power.

--
Treason-
Is there not some chosen curse, some hidden thunder in the stores of
heaven, red with uncommon wrath, to blast the man who owes his
greatness to his country's ruin!
---Joseph Addison

.




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Domestic Spying and Intimidation of Military Families
Government spying on Americans involves more than just NSA
Now Bush sez he was only spying on bad people who blow up trains, weddings and churches.
Bush-NSA Spying in Defiance of Congress, Court
We now know Bush authorized massive illegal spying operations
Will Bush use Iran attack to coverup illegal spying on U.S. citizens?
NSA Destroyed Evidence of Domestic Spying
Bush answers questions about his domestic spying.
Laura Bush Backs Domestic Spying Program
 

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