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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"Jake" |
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25 Jul 2003 05:21:05 PM |
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Settlement Building is Terrorism |
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism. The Zionist plan for a "Greater Israel" is a
declaration of war. The PA's greatest mistake was/is to trust the
Zionist-backed U.S. to negotiate a peaceful settlement that recognizes all
U.N. mandates. Israel's "offers" clearly do not. The PA has to demand that
the U.N. be directly involved in any negotiated settlement. They also have
to demand that Israel accept U.N. peacekeepers before they will sit at a
negotiating table.
Reuters
October 29, 2001
The Palestinians have been lobbying for some type of U.N. monitors in the
West Bank and Gaza for years, but Israel has flatly opposed an international
force in the region.
The United States, Israel's closest ally, has repeatedly blocked action in
the U.N. Security Council to impose such a force, insisting that both sides
would have to give their consent before peacekeepers could be sent in.
But U.N. rights prober John Dugard of South Africa said international
monitors or peacekeepers had been effective in many less threatening
situations around the world ''and there is no reason why the occupied
Palestinian territories should be treated differently.''
In a report to the 189-nation U.N. General Assembly, Dugard said he
''finds it difficult to understand why no serious attempt has been made by
the international community to persuade Israel to accept such a presence.''
''It is incumbent on the international community to ensure that such an
agreement is forthcoming,'' he said.
Dugard, appointed to his post by the Geneva-based U.N. Commission on Human
Rights in July, said the main factor behind the fighting which has raged
since September 2000 was Israel's continued occupation of Palestinian
territories. Peace would not come until Israel gave clear signs of its
intent to end the occupation, he said.
AN AGGRAVATING SIGN
Moreover, Israeli settlements in the West Bank and Gaza were ''an ever
visible and aggravating sign of occupation and of Israel's illegal conduct
as an occupying power,'' he said, saying Israel should start dismantling the
settlements now.
Dugard's report was issued three days after the latest unsuccessful
Palestinian effort to persuade the U.N. Security Council to send a
monitoring mission to the Middle East.
Instead, the council's 15 member-nations issued a statement expressing
deep concern about the continuing violence and urging Israel to immediately
withdraw its troops from West Bank towns it had reoccupied after the recent
slaying of a cabinet minister.
Diplomats said the council was expected to meet again in the next few days
to decide whether to take further action in the Middle East, which would
depend on whether Israel withdrew its troops from six West Bank towns it
entered 10 days ago.
The United States has called for a full withdrawal from all the
Palestinian-ruled areas that Israeli forces entered after the assassination
of Tourism Minister Rehavam Zeevi. But the soldiers have so far withdrawn
only from Bethlehem and Beit Jala.
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| User: "Jake" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
26 Jul 2003 02:54:05 AM |
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<Hobbes@CalvinBall.com> wrote in message
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"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Do you contend that there are no terrorist tunnels running from Israel to
Egypt in the area of the Gaza Strip?
"terrorist + tunnel + gaza" returned 4,540 hits in Google News.
I don't recall contending anything of the kind, actually. Do you have a
point? Are you saying that the Israelis bulldozed Palestinian land and
homes and built 200,000+ Israeli homes illegally because of some terrorist
tunnels? Are the settlers aware of this? There must be a veritable
labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West Bank, Gaza, and E.
Jerusalem. Oh my!
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| User: "Tilly" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
26 Jul 2003 09:02:40 AM |
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Jake wrote:
There must
be a veritable labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West
Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem. Oh my!
There is although the Israelis have destroyed them when they are
found.Hundreds of them used for arms smuggling and hiding terrorists and
weapons.
You didn't know?
Tilly
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climbaboard@hotmail.com
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| User: "Jake" |
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26 Jul 2003 01:10:56 PM |
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jake wrote:
There must
be a veritable labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West
Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem. Oh my!
There is although the Israelis have destroyed them when they are
found.Hundreds of them used for arms smuggling and hiding terrorists and
weapons.
You didn't know?
Tilly
Well knock me over with a feather! Links? Irregardless, where does the
illegal building of hundreds of thousands of homes enter into this equation?
If there were "terrorist tunnels" in Mexico, would we (Americans) be
justified in grabbing all of the land around them and building homes on the
land? The right-wing Zionists absurd justifications are so transparent it
is painful to even write them down.
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| User: "MarkK" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
26 Jul 2003 03:10:04 PM |
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<6SvUa.92969$JA5.2036981@news.xtra.co.nz>...
Jake wrote:
There must
be a veritable labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West
Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem. Oh my!
There is although the Israelis have destroyed them when they are
found.Hundreds of them used for arms smuggling and hiding terrorists and
weapons.
You didn't know?
Tilly
If the Israelis can find these tunnels, then why do they bulldoze
homes?
If the ground is as riddled with tunnels as you like to claim, it's
unsafe to build settlements on.
ALL SETTLEMENTS SHOULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSAFE.
Mark K.
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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26 Jul 2003 04:47:54 PM |
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"MarkK" <markkzoom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Jake wrote:
There must
be a veritable labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West
Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem. Oh my!
There is although the Israelis have destroyed them when they are
found.Hundreds of them used for arms smuggling and hiding terrorists and
weapons.
You didn't know?
Tilly
If the Israelis can find these tunnels, then why do they bulldoze
homes?
If the ground is as riddled with tunnels as you like to claim, it's
unsafe to build settlements on.
ALL SETTLEMENTS SHOULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSAFE.
Mark K.
Mark, I am sure you realise that its all a smoke screen. The Israelis will
fabricate any story to make their evil look justified and to make them look like
the victims.
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| User: "NBT" |
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27 Jul 2003 12:00:00 AM |
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In article <jGCUa.711$V_4.27618@eagle.america.net>,
"Caiaphas" <Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
"MarkK" <markkzoom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d64a268.0307261210.6d4ae5e2@posting.google.com...
"Tilly" <climbaboard@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<6SvUa.92969$JA5.2036981@news.xtra.co.nz>...
Jake wrote:
There must
be a veritable labyrinth of terrorist tunnels throughout the West
Bank, Gaza, and E. Jerusalem. Oh my!
There is although the Israelis have destroyed them when they are
found.Hundreds of them used for arms smuggling and hiding terrorists and
weapons.
You didn't know?
Tilly
If the Israelis can find these tunnels, then why do they bulldoze
homes?
If the ground is as riddled with tunnels as you like to claim, it's
unsafe to build settlements on.
ALL SETTLEMENTS SHOULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSAFE.
Mark K.
Mark, I am sure you realise that its all a smoke screen. The Israelis will
fabricate any story to make their evil look justified and to make them look
like
the victims.
The question is whether Israel realy wants to end the occupation and
really wants to see a viable Palestinian state. Israel's goal has been
and still is to provoke the Palestinians into a frenzy which will then
justify their destroying homes, taking of land and continuing the
occupation. In the end, Israel wants to see the Palestinians in their
entirety disapear and become refugees living elsewhere... That is the
end result sought and is being achieved small steps at the time, e.g.,
the Palestinians are now willing to accept the Road Map which says
nothing about all the settlements illegally built during more than 30
years of occupation...
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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26 Jul 2003 03:16:55 PM |
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"MarkK" <markkzoom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ALL SETTLEMENTS SHOULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSAFE.
Liberals and Democrats are mental screwups.
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| User: "MarkK" |
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27 Jul 2003 04:03:17 AM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<XkBUa.134918$GL4.35560@rwcrnsc53>...
"MarkK" <markkzoom@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ALL SETTLEMENTS SHOULD BE DESTROYED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNSAFE.
Liberals and Democrats are mental screwups.
Can't comment on that, if they live in the US they are most likely
mental screwups whatever party they support.
Tilly claims the whole place is riddled with tunnels and she knows
everything coz she's jewish. It's obviously unsafe to build there.
Anyway, how about giving them land to build safer settlements *inside*
Israel, or even better, inside the USAy?
You could relocate ALL ISRAELIS into a new US town, the whole
population of Israel is only about 6 million anyway, smaller than
Chicago.
Mark K.
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| User: "LLX" |
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09 Aug 2003 08:45:43 AM |
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<Hobbes@CalvinBall.com> wrote in message news:<fdiUa.45$jI6.43@fe05.atl2.webusenet.com>...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message ...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Do you contend that there are no terrorist tunnels running from Israel to
Egypt in the area of the Gaza Strip?
"terrorist + tunnel + gaza" returned 4,540 hits in Google News.
That's nothing, "Israeli + terrorism" returned 4,710 hits in Google
News and "sharon + smells" returned over 21,000 hits in Google Groups!
What do you think this proves, exactly?
Simon
LLXSDG
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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25 Jul 2003 05:31:24 PM |
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"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
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| User: "Roger" |
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25 Jul 2003 11:02:26 PM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
The thirteen colonies that later became the US were not in a country. Did
the people who owned that land not really own it then? When the colonies
became a country, did the US take away all that land and give it to citizens
of the US? No, the land was still owned by the people who owned it.
When Israel took the land from the individual Palestinian people and gave it
to Israelis, that was stealing. The country that had sovereignty doesn't
matter. The land belonged to people.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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28 Jul 2003 10:59:22 AM |
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Roger wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0diUa.131194$sY2.58810@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
The thirteen colonies that later became the US were not in a country. Did
the people who owned that land not really own it then?
They stole it from the Indians
When the colonies
became a country, did the US take away all that land and give it to citizens
of the US?
No, the land was still owned by the people who owned it.
Bad analogy. The colonists had stolen the land from the
Indians and remained in possession, except for the United
Empire Loyalists who were driven from their homes and fled
to Canada.
When Israel took the land from the individual Palestinian people and gave it
to Israelis, that was stealing. The country that had sovereignty doesn't
matter. The land belonged to people.
First of all most of the land had belonged to the Ottoman
Empire and little was in private hands and most of that was
urban. Most of the Arabs on the land were nomadic and
owned no land. During the Mandate the Jewish Agency bought
up parcels of land and settled Jews upon farms. Towns like
Be'er Sheva, Bethlehem had substantial Jewish populations
despite Amin al Husseini's 1929 massacre.
The land in dispute in land from which the Jews had been
driven by the combined Arab armies in 1948 and from which
the arab armies were in turn driven not once but three
times.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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28 Jul 2003 09:05:04 PM |
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Roger wrote:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F254802.FDA4A84E@gta.igs.net...
Roger wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0diUa.131194$sY2.58810@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is
NOT
"their land".
The thirteen colonies that later became the US were not in a country.
Did
the people who owned that land not really own it then?
They stole it from the Indians
Yes, but they owned it when the colonies became a country.
When the colonies
became a country, did the US take away all that land and give it to
citizens
of the US?
No, the land was still owned by the people who owned it.
Bad analogy. The colonists had stolen the land from the
Indians and remained in possession, except for the United
Empire Loyalists who were driven from their homes and fled
to Canada.
But they still owned it. The colonists claimed posession and in fact there has been substantial payments and some land returned to the Indians in Massachusetts
The loyalists were lucky to get away with their possessions
and their lives. Why is it that you make so many stupid
statements trying to twist facts to prove your lies?
When Israel took the land from the individual Palestinian people and
gave it
to Israelis, that was stealing. The country that had sovereignty doesn't
matter. The land belonged to people.
First of all most of the land had belonged to the Ottoman
Empire and little was in private hands and most of that was
urban. Most of the Arabs on the land were nomadic and
owned no land. During the Mandate the Jewish Agency bought
up parcels of land and settled Jews upon farms. Towns like
Be'er Sheva, Bethlehem had substantial Jewish populations
despite Amin al Husseini's 1929 massacre.
The land in dispute in land from which the Jews had been
driven by the combined Arab armies in 1948 and from which
the arab armies were in turn driven not once but three
times.
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| User: "Roger" |
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28 Jul 2003 10:30:35 PM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
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Roger wrote:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F254802.FDA4A84E@gta.igs.net...
Roger wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0diUa.131194$sY2.58810@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements
on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it
is
NOT
"their land".
The thirteen colonies that later became the US were not in a
country.
Did
the people who owned that land not really own it then?
They stole it from the Indians
Yes, but they owned it when the colonies became a country.
When the colonies
became a country, did the US take away all that land and give it to
citizens
of the US?
No, the land was still owned by the people who owned it.
Bad analogy. The colonists had stolen the land from the
Indians and remained in possession, except for the United
Empire Loyalists who were driven from their homes and fled
to Canada.
But they still owned it. The colonists claimed posession and in fact
there has been substantial payments and some land returned to the Indians in
Massachusetts
The loyalists were lucky to get away with their possessions
and their lives. Why is it that you make so many stupid
statements trying to twist facts to prove your lies?
I'm stupid? You keep thinking things written by others were written by me.
Prove your stupidity by bitching at those who wrote it. Leave me out of it.
As for the lie part of your pitiful rant, last I heard a lie requires saying
something. Since I didn't say it, I didn't lie.
This is your last warning. Next time, play with yourself.
When Israel took the land from the individual Palestinian people and
gave it
to Israelis, that was stealing. The country that had sovereignty
doesn't
matter. The land belonged to people.
First of all most of the land had belonged to the Ottoman
Empire and little was in private hands and most of that was
urban. Most of the Arabs on the land were nomadic and
owned no land. During the Mandate the Jewish Agency bought
up parcels of land and settled Jews upon farms. Towns like
Be'er Sheva, Bethlehem had substantial Jewish populations
despite Amin al Husseini's 1929 massacre.
The land in dispute in land from which the Jews had been
driven by the combined Arab armies in 1948 and from which
the arab armies were in turn driven not once but three
times.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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29 Jul 2003 09:30:21 AM |
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Roger brayed:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
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Roger brayed:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
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Roger brayed:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> whined in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements
on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it
is
NOT
"their land".
The thirteen colonies that later became the US were not in a
country.
Did
the people who owned that land not really own it then?
They stole it from the Indians
Yes, but they owned it when the colonies became a country.
When the colonies
became a country, did the US take away all that land and give it to
citizens
of the US?
No, the land was still owned by the people who owned it.
Bad analogy. The colonists had stolen the land from the
Indians and remained in possession, except for the United
Empire Loyalists who were driven from their homes and fled
to Canada.
But they still owned it.
The colonists claimed posession and in fact
there has been substantial payments and some
land returned to the Indians in Massachusetts
The loyalists were lucky to get away with their possessions
and their lives. Why is it that you make so many stupid
statements trying to twist facts to prove your lies?
I'm stupid? You keep thinking things written by others were written by me.
Prove your stupidity by bitching at those who wrote it. > Leave me out of it.
If you did not mess with the attributions then you can not
responsibility ...... but then you have always been a dodger.
As for the lie part of your pitiful rant, last I heard a lie requires saying
something. Since I didn't say it, I didn't lie.
We know you are lying whenever your keyboard is functioning
This is your last warning. Next time, play with yourself.
OH!!! a warning, now! what are you going to do killfile
me??? Please do!!! (:~))
When Israel took the land from the individual Palestinian people and
gave it
to Israelis, that was stealing. The country that had sovereignty
doesn't
matter. The land belonged to people.
First of all most of the land had belonged
to the Ottoman Empire and little was in
private hands and most of that was urban.
Most of the Arabs on the land were
nomadic and owned no land. During the
Mandate the Jewish Agency bought up
parcels of land and settled Jews upon
farms. Towns like Be'er Sheva,
Bethlehem, Jericho, had substantial
Jewish populations despite Amin al
Husseini's 1929 massacre.
The land in dispute is land from which the
Jews had been driven by the combined Arab
armies in 1948 and from which the arab
armies were in turn driven not once but
three times.
A little fill in from my post in another related thread
perhaps you have read it but I doubt you would remember from yesterday.
So, I think I will repost here the material you snipped.
Wipe the scabs and other detritus off your eyes ~~ you might
learn something ~~ birdbrain too
Here are a few things that tell "why they call
themselves "Palestinians"" and why you and Jake
and matthews are full of *****.
BTW Almost all of those calling themselves
'Palestinians' on the West bank and gaza are in
fact Egyptians, including their leader, the
billionaire terrorist embezzler Mohammed Abd
el Rahman Abd el Raouf Arafat al Qudua al
Husseini
In an interview with the Dutch newspaper "Trau"
(March 31, 1977),
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation
of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing
our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab
unity. In reality today there is no difference between
Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only
for political and tactical reasons do we speak today
about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab
national interests demand that we posit the existence
of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
--PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein
(Military Wing chieftain at the time)
******************
Note what they are called and called themselves in 1948
"Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not
more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors
influenced their decision to seek safety in flight.
There is but little doubt that the most potent of the
factors were the announcements made over the air by
the -Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit...
It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained
in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be
regarded as renegades."
- The London weekly Economist, October 2, 1948
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"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee
encouraged the refugees' flight from
their homes in Jaffa, Haifa, and Jerusalem."
- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station,
Cyprus, April 3, 1949
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"This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of
the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic
Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of
the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some
weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of
the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to
re-enter and retake possession of their country."
- Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League
Office in London) in The Arabs (London, 1955), p. 183
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| User: "Shadow" |
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28 Jul 2003 11:46:03 AM |
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"Wotan" <wotan@valhalla.net> wrote in message
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So if you are living on my land in Britain, I can equally claim that
you have no right to be here, bulldoze you house and kill your
children in the street.
In part it depends on what you mean by "my land." Just being Brittish
doesn't give you any entitlement to any land. OTOH if you have title to some
land in G.B., you can exclude others from it and remove their property from
it whether you yourself are Brittish or not--subject, of course, to Brittish
law and procedure.
Said law would IIRC allow you to use deadly force only in the face of a
threat of deadly force against you.
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26 Jul 2003 09:14:19 AM |
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"Wotan" <wotan@valhalla.net> wrote in message news:<3f21be5e$0$238$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk>...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
Fine !
So if you are living on my land in Britain, I can equally claim that
you have no right to be here, bulldoze you house and kill your
children in the street.
Just as your murdering terrorists are doing in Palestine !
Is that ok ?
And, just by the way, there was no land called Israel until we gave
it to you after the last war.
What we have given we can also take back.
Bob uses 'we' to describe himself....
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| User: "Figaro" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
25 Jul 2003 05:44:00 PM |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
Figaro
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| User: "Wotan" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
25 Jul 2003 06:43:05 PM |
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"Figaro" <figaro@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
I think it is Perle and Wolfowitz who will be mud. Quite possibly
together with the rest of the Zionist Nazis - and all of Israel.
And, by God, they certainly deserve it !
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| User: "kit spanos" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
26 Jul 2003 09:16:39 AM |
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Bob Sims writes:
"Figaro" <figaro@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
I think it is Perle and Wolfowitz who will be mud. Quite possibly
together with the rest of the Zionist Nazis - and all of Israel.
And, by God, they certainly deserve it !
Why this obsession with the extra punchline on the end, Simsy?
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| User: "Figaro" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
25 Jul 2003 06:47:11 PM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 00:43:05 +0100, "Wotan" <wotan@valhalla.net>
wrote:
"Figaro" <figaro@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
I think it is Perle and Wolfowitz who will be mud. Quite possibly
together with the rest of the Zionist Nazis - and all of Israel.
And, by God, they certainly deserve it !
Hey, Man, don't latch on to my response to make crazy comments. Do it
in a separate post, if you don't mind. Oof!
Figaro
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| User: "Pulver" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
28 Jul 2003 10:30:03 AM |
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Figaro wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
Little bird brain: Here are a few things that tell "why
they call themselves "Palestinians"" and why you and Jake
are full of *****.
BTW Almost all of those calling themselves 'Palestinians' on
the West bank and gaza are in fact Egyptians, including
their leader, the billionaire terrorist
Mohammed Abd el Rahman Abd el Raouf Arafat al Qudua al
Husseini
In an interview with the Dutch newspaper "Trau"
(March 31, 1977),
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation
of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing
our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab
unity. In reality today there is no difference between
Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only
for political and tactical reasons do we speak today
about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab
national interests demand that we posit the existence
of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
--PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein
(Military Wing chieftain at the time)
******************
Note what they are called and called themselves in 1948
"Of the 62,000 Arabs who formerly lived in Haifa not
more than 5,000 or 6,000 remained. Various factors
influenced their decision to seek safety in flight.
There is but little doubt that the most potent of the
factors were the announcements made over the air by
the -Higher Arab Executive, urging the Arabs to quit...
It was clearly intimated that those Arabs who remained
in Haifa and accepted Jewish protection would be
regarded as renegades."
- The London weekly Economist, October 2, 1948
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"It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee
encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa,
Haifa, and Jerusalem."
- Near East Arabic Broadcasting Station,
Cyprus, April 3, 1949
***********
"This wholesale exodus was due partly to the belief of
the Arabs, encouraged by the boasting of an unrealistic
Arab press and the irresponsible utterances of some of
the Arab leaders that it could be only a matter of some
weeks before the Jews were defeated by the armies of
the Arab States and the Palestinian Arabs enabled to
re-enter and retake possession of their country."
- Edward Atiyah (then Secretary of the Arab League
Office in London) in The Arabs (London, 1955), p. 183
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| User: "Pulver" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Israeli" Terrorists |
28 Jul 2003 12:42:14 PM |
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"Frank F. Matthews" wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Figaro wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 22:31:24 GMT, "Barbara Walker"
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
There, Jake, now you know why they call themselves "Palestinians" when
they should call themselves West Bankians. When Perle and Wolfowitz
get through with them we'll be able to call them Mud.
Little bird brain: Here are a few things that tell "why
they call themselves "Palestinians"" and why you and Jake
are full of *****.
snip
Your insight into the decision of what to call the inhabitants of
occupied Palestine is shallow. Perhaps you should limit your decisions
to what to call yourself.
Obviously either you are blind, stupid or just so rabidly
bigoted that you can not digest the information that I
posted but instead have to snip it so no one reading your
followup can see to what you refer and comprehend your
absolute ignorance.
So, I think I will repost here the material you snipped.
Wipe the scabs and other detritus off your eyes ~~ you might
learn something ~~ birdbrain too
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Palestinians - A People without a country on a land that is rightfully theirs!!! |
26 Jul 2003 10:56:20 AM |
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:17:04 -0400, "Caiaphas"
<Caiaphas66@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0diUa.131194$sY2.58810@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is NOT
"their land".
Palestinians - A People without a country on a land they have lived on for
hundreds of years - more time than modern-day Jews.
When did the "Palestinians" ever owen "Palestine"? As I recall that
before Isreal took over that area in 1967 that the land belonged to
Jordan.
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"Giving society cheap abundant energy . . . would be the equivalent of
giving an idiot child a machine gun." -- Dr. Paul Ehrlich
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
"...observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists amidst all
their appeals to nature and pleas for 'harmony with nature' there is
no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival.
Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot
survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision
i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears..." - AYN RAND
"The Anti-Industrial Revolution," The New Left, 136.
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us,
'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" -- Dosteovsky
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "lev_bronstein" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
26 Jul 2003 08:17:44 AM |
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That has to be the stupidest post ever.'no land called Israel until we gave
it to you after the last war.'? Try reading some History of the region
before posting ill informed tripe.
"Wotan" <wotan@valhalla.net> wrote in message
news:3f21be5e$0$238$fa0fcedb@lovejoy.zen.co.uk...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:0diUa.131194$sY2.58810@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
"Jake" <benddontbreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:l3iUa.73107$0v4.4849578@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on
their
land are acts of terrorism.
Can't be, because there is no country called "Palestine", hence it is
NOT
"their land".
Fine !
So if you are living on my land in Britain, I can equally claim that
you have no right to be here, bulldoze you house and kill your
children in the street.
Just as your murdering terrorists are doing in Palestine !
Is that ok ?
And, just by the way, there was no land called Israel until we gave
it to you after the last war.
What we have given we can also take back.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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| Title: Re: More Confusion Among Defenders of "Palestinian" Muslim Terrorists |
28 Jul 2003 11:04:24 AM |
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lev_bronstein wrote:
That has to be the stupidest post ever.'no land called Israel until we gave
it to you after the last war.'? Try reading some History of the region
before posting ill informed tripe.
Do not expect the nazi called wotan to post anything
sensible or factual.
Read history???? ....... DUNBESILLE
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| User: "DJ" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
08 Aug 2003 03:40:06 PM |
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism. The Zionist plan for a "Greater Israel" is a
declaration of war. The PA's greatest mistake was/is to trust the
Zionist-backed U.S. to negotiate a peaceful settlement that recognizes all
U.N. mandates. Israel's "offers" clearly do not. The PA has to demand that
the U.N. be directly involved in any negotiated settlement. They also have
to demand that Israel accept U.N. peacekeepers before they will sit at a
negotiating table.
I can see why post this to alt.politics, but why post it to
alt.politics.usa...
What would happen to Israel and Palestine, if the USA or UN weren't
involved? Do all problems of the world require US intervention? I
wish the US wouldn't be suppling Israel with military equipment, but
if they are, does anyone know if they are also supplying the
Palestinians. It seems at least we should treat each side equally, to
be fair.
DJ
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| User: "Kel" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
09 Aug 2003 02:14:06 AM |
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"DJ" <firststarfighter@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The bulldozing of Palestinian homes and building of settlements on their
land are acts of terrorism. The Zionist plan for a "Greater Israel" is
a
declaration of war. The PA's greatest mistake was/is to trust the
Zionist-backed U.S. to negotiate a peaceful settlement that recognizes
all
U.N. mandates. Israel's "offers" clearly do not. The PA has to demand
that
the U.N. be directly involved in any negotiated settlement. They also
have
to demand that Israel accept U.N. peacekeepers before they will sit at a
negotiating table.
I can see why post this to alt.politics, but why post it to
alt.politics.usa...
What would happen to Israel and Palestine, if the USA or UN weren't
involved?
The best thing for the Middle East would be if the US stepped out and
allowed the UN to impose International Law on the situation. But, of course,
the US (being blatantly pro-Israel) won't allow the international community
to do this. The resolutions on this are very clear, but the US seems to act
as if resolutions regarding Israel are somehow subject to negotiation,
whilst no other resolution is regarded in this way.
Do all problems of the world require US intervention?
No. Especially not this one. It comes under Article 7 which allows for
military intervention. The world community should form an international
force and invade Israel and drive them out of the occupied territories and
enforce the will of the international community.
I
wish the US wouldn't be suppling Israel with military equipment, but
if they are, does anyone know if they are also supplying the
Palestinians.
No. The Palestinians recieve nothing. That is why they have no weapons.
Israel, with the fourth largest army in the world, is deploying all of it's
power against stone throwers. That is why the Palestinians have come up with
the suicide bomber.
It seems at least we should treat each side equally, to
be fair.
Amen, brother.
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| User: "Caiaphas" |
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| Title: Re: Settlement Building is Terrorism |
26 Jul 2003 07:14:11 AM |
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Settlement Building is Terrorism - plain and simple injustices against ones
neighbor.
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