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23 Dec 2005 01:31:47 PM |
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SF homicide rate soars to 10 year high amidst new gunban |
And they're banning guns and turning it into even more of a
Victim Disarmament Zone, while concealed carry states get safer.
They never learn.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/articles/2005/12/13/news/20051213_ne01
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New committee focuses on failure to solve homicides
Arrest rate for city’s most violent year is 22%
By Justin Jouvenal
Staff Writer
Published: Monday, December 12, 2005 10:40 PM PST
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As San Francisco’s homicide soars to its highest level in a de-
cade, the San Francisco Police Department has made too few
arrests in murder cases, city supervisors said Monday.
The criticisms came during the first hearing of a new Board of
Supervisors committee that is
hoping to find ways to stem the homicides.
The San Francisco Police Department has made arrests in just 22
percent of murder cases this year and 38 percent in 2004, as The
City attempts to quell the violence that has brought the number
of homicides to 94, the bloodiest year since 1995.
Nationwide, cities with populations of 250,000 or greater make
arrests on average in 58 percent of murder cases in 2004,
according to the FBI.
“There are other municipalities that are doing a much better job
[at closing murder cases] than we are,” Supervisor Sophie Maxwell
said.
Only 19 of those 92 cases have been forwarded to the District
Attorney’s Office and 11 of those murders are in the process of
being prosecuted, according to statistics from the police and
District Attorney. Fourteen of the 88 murders in 2004 have been
prosecuted.
SFPD Captain Kevin Cashman said the murder-clearance rates do not
accurately reflect the ability of the department to solve crimes
since it takes about two years on average for a murder case to be
brought to trial.
Deborah Mesloh, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Kamala
Harris, said the DA has made strides in prosecuting murders.
Mesloh said the office has nearly doubled the conviction rate on
felony gun cases that went to trial, from about 45 percent in
2003 to more than about 80 percent for gun trials in 2004 and
2005. The District Attorney’s office has taken 35 percent more
gun cases to trial since January 2004.
“It would be irresponsible to file charges on investigations that
are not complete and risk a dismissal in a case as serious as a
homicide just for the sake of filing charges,” said Deborah
Mesloh, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Kamala Harris. “When
the investigation is complete, this office does prosecute the
case. We make the charges stand up in court, and the person
responsible for the homicide will go to, and stay, in jail.”
The sharpest questions Monday were reserved for San Francisco
Housing Authority Executive Director Gregg Fortner, since many of
the murders this year have been clustered around public housing.
Fortner said efforts to place community police officers at four
of The City’s largest public housing projects in the southeast
section of The City had dramatic impacts on their murder rates
this year.
With the apparent success of the program, Supervisor Ross
Mirkarimi asked why the program hadn’t been extended to violence-
plagued housing projects such as Pitts Plaza in the Western
Addition and Bernal Dwellings in the Mission that have seen a
combined total of 9 murders this year.
“I’m just trying to figure what the body count has to be to get
these lessons learned,” Mirkarimi asked pointedly.
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Indeed.
Guess they need to go read More Guns, Less Crime, by Lott.
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Ms Liberty - United States of America
"Gun control often serves as a gateway to tyranny. Tyrants from
Hitler to Mao to Stalin have sought to disarm their own citizens,
for the simple reason that unarmed people are easier to control.
Our Founders, having just expelled the British army, knew that
the right to bear arms serves as the guardian of every other
right. This is the principle so often ignored by both sides in
the gun control debate. Only armed citizens can resist tyrannical
government." - Ron Paul
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| User: "tightwad" |
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23 Dec 2005 01:55:24 PM |
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Criminal Behavior is just a foundation part of the immorality typical of
San Francisco.
The best think America could do is to insulate the rest of the Country
from them. A fence and a moat would be a good start.
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 02:33:22 PM |
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Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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23 Dec 2005 02:59:46 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135370002.896556.303390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
Comparing SF with a real urban population is a real stretch.
SF would be greatly improved by thermal sterilization.
Jim E
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| User: "Kent Finnell" |
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23 Dec 2005 03:35:25 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135370002.896556.303390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
Uh, Art, ole bud, if the criminals turned in all of their guns, there would
be a corresponding increase in deaths caused by the use of knives, baseball
bats, hockey sticks, lead pipes, monkey wrenches, tire irons, ropes, plastic
bags, rocks, bricks, feet and fists. The victims would be smaller, weaker,
and older than the thugs.
You would remove the cheapest, easiest to use, and most effective means of
self-defense, the firearm. I resent that because I'm 65, overweight, and
have an artificial foot. Running is not an option for me and millions of
others. Beyond the obvious physical reasons, it is my nature to stand my
ground. I will not be bullied or terrorized. If you want what is mine,
you'll come and get it at your own risk. My daughter says that I'm armed
and dangerous. She's right.
Is this you problem, bunkie?
Hoplophobia (pronounced HOP-li-fobia), from the Greek hoplon, or weapon, is
a phobia identified by firearms instructor Colonel Jeff Cooper in 1962. His
intent was to satirically use a clinical term to bring public recognition of
the irrational fear of firearms. He stated that "the most common
manifestation of hoplophobia is the idea that instruments possess a will of
their own, apart from that of their user".
Hoplophobia is deemed to be a cultural side effect of those who engage in
the primordial human belief systems that anthropologists refer to as
"Animism", or the belief that inanimate objects can hold spirits that can
effect human actions.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
Sigmund Freud, "General Introduction to Psychoanalysis".
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The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense
Kent Finnell
From The Music City USA
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:52:01 PM |
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"if the criminals turned in all of their guns, there would
be a corresponding increase in deaths caused by the use of knives,
baseball
bats, hockey sticks, lead pipes, monkey wrenches, tire irons, ropes,
plastic
bags, rocks, bricks, feet and fists."
If that is the case the the murder rates in all western countries
should be about the same. They are not.
And no I am not afraid of guns. I was a gunnery instructor in the
service. I just belive that the few guns in circulation the less gun
related crime there would be.
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| User: "Kent Finnell" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:07:34 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135378320.930759.15300@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"if the criminals turned in all of their guns, there would
be a corresponding increase in deaths caused by the use of knives,
baseball
bats, hockey sticks, lead pipes, monkey wrenches, tire irons, ropes,
plastic
bags, rocks, bricks, feet and fists."
If that is the case the the murder rates in all western countries
should be about the same. They are not.
And no I am not afraid of guns. I was a gunnery instructor in the
service. I just belive that the few guns in circulation the less gun
related crime there would be.
Which military? The French?
There are NO TWO countries that have identical demographics and cannot be
compared as simply as you wish. You're blaming an inanimate object for the
actions of humans.
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The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense
Kent Finnell
From The Music City USA
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:20:46 PM |
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How about the United States and Canada, they are pretty close to the
same demographic with quite different rates of gun violence.
So what does it matter who's service it was.
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| User: "SaPeIsMa" |
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26 Dec 2005 01:38:31 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How about the United States and Canada, they are pretty close to the
same demographic with quite different rates of gun violence.
So what does it matter who's service it was.
Canadian and US demographics are not easily comparable
Canada does NOT have major cities with immense black populations.
There is also the issue that crime generally decreases as the population
approaches the Poles. This could also be a factor in crime numbers
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| User: "" |
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26 Dec 2005 02:07:15 PM |
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SaPeIsMa wrote:
Canadian and US demographics are not easily comparable
Canada does NOT have major cities with immense black populations.
More importantly, there are practically ZERO blacks in huge
populated regions of Canada - namely the "prairie provinces!" That
means that a high share of Canadians don't live within an hour's drive
- or even two hours' drive - of the one racial group that, in America,
commits murder at eight times the rate of the white majority that is 6
of 8 people in America.
America is very different. Even those in posh suburbs of its big
cities up north live within a 30-minute drive - at most - of terrible
black ghetto areas or "failed suburbs" that are largely poor blacks
now. Most all Southern counties have a major black ghetto in them.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Scout" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:31:24 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135380046.168578.176330@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
How about the United States and Canada, they are pretty close to the
same demographic with quite different rates of gun violence.
Hardly. Their demographics vary drastically.
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| User: "Kent Finnell" |
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23 Dec 2005 06:59:51 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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How about the United States and Canada, they are pretty close to the
same demographic with quite different rates of gun violence.
Not only are you ignorant, but you seem to be damn proud of it.
U.S. Canada
Population (1999 est) 272,878,000 31,006,347
Land Area (sq mi) 3,761,363 3,851,809
Pop. Density (per sq mi) 72.55 8.05!!
Diversity
White 80.3% 87.0%
Black 12.2% ???
Hispanic * 9.0% ???
Am Indian, Esk, Alute 0.8% 1.5%
Asian, Pacific Islander 2.9% 11.5%
*Hispanics can be of several races
So Canada has 1/9th the population density, no blacks or Hispanics to speak
of and a higher proportion of Asians, who tend to be less violent
(stereotyping).
Another factor is the climate. High heat and humidity tend to bring out the
worst in people. You haven't been hot unless you've spent July -
mid-September in Atlanta, New Orleans, Florida, the Gulf Coast of Texas, and
even Nashville. 100/100 isn't uncommon in any of the afore mentioned and
many other places in the Southern tier of states. No place in Canada can
match that for any length of time.
So what does it matter who's service it was.
A smaller military means fewer trainees with less current equipment. I'd
dare say that my 27 year old Marine Capt. (Artillery) nephew could teach you
a few things. He served 2 tours in Iraq and has obviously been in a
shooting war. Have you?
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"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended
victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police,
and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he
must be taught to fear is his victim."
.. . Jeff Cooper
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Kent Finnell, from the Music City, USA
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| User: "¿mÿ§t뮦@n?" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:25:38 PM |
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In talk.politics.guns "ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote:
How about the United States and Canada, they are pretty close to the
same demographic with quite different rates of gun violence.
Quite different rates of ALL kinds of crime.
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| User: "¿mÿ§t뮦@n?" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:24:12 PM |
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In talk.politics.guns "ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote:
"if the criminals turned in all of their guns, there would
be a corresponding increase in deaths caused by the use of knives,
baseball
bats, hockey sticks, lead pipes, monkey wrenches, tire irons, ropes,
plastic
bags, rocks, bricks, feet and fists."
If that is the case the the murder rates in all western countries
should be about the same. They are not.
ROFLMAO
Oh, you must be one of these guys that think guns CAUSE murder.
And no I am not afraid of guns. I was a gunnery instructor in the
service.
Uh oh! Here's another one!
I just belive that the few guns in circulation the less gun
related crime there would be.
If you could magically make all guns vanish, you'd be right.
But what's the difference between a murder committed with a gun, and
one with a bomb? Which victim is less dead?
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:32:36 PM |
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ArthurP wrote:
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
Urban people need guns a lot. They otherwise must depend on
often-corrupt, always-overworked, police forces that frankly don't give
a damn what happens in the ghetto as long as it stays in the ghetto and
only poor nonwhites are victimized. (Ever heard the word
"de-policing?" That's what it means - a pattern of officers
deliberately avoiding ghetto calls.)
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Chris Squire" |
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23 Dec 2005 02:51:40 PM |
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ArthurP wrote:
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
How long have the hallucinations been haunting you?
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2005 02:57:06 PM |
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Chris Squire wrote:
ArthurP wrote:
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
How long have the hallucinations been haunting you?
Come on Chris. You know perfectly well that for you, just like the rest
of us, that gun collection we all have is calling calling calling,
"kill kill Kill KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!"
Now admit it and all the gungrabberloonies can go home and sleep
soundly tonight with those tight little smiles upon their slobbery
lips.
You do know that Jeffery Daumer was a nice boy until he bought his own
first personal kitchen knife.
R R R R R
Kane
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| User: "Chris Squire" |
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23 Dec 2005 03:16:46 PM |
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wrote:
Chris Squire wrote:
ArthurP wrote:
Conficaste all the guns from the urban population and close down the
urban gun distribution and restrict gun production and importation.
The fewer guns in circulation the fewer the criminals and unbalanced
people will get and the fewer people be get killed as a result. The
urban population does not need guns.
How long have the hallucinations been haunting you?
Come on Chris. You know perfectly well that for you, just like the rest
of us, that gun collection we all have is calling calling calling,
"kill kill Kill KILL KILL KILL!!!!!!!"
Yer right.
I crossed my arms, twitched my nose... hit the "Blink Blink" button on
my keyboard so as to make the noise, and Gore/Kerry was STILL not the
president!
I was not upset when I woke up!
My guns still refuse to "talk" to me, even in my dreams!
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 03:25:06 PM |
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Yes, just imagin the Colimbine killing spree if the children had to use
knives instead of automatic weapons.
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| User: "Kent Finnell" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:25:33 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yes, just imagin the Colimbine killing spree if the children had to use
knives instead of automatic weapons.
A fellow in Japan killed several kindergarten children with a sword.
The nutjobs at Columbine had set up several propane bombs that didn't go
off. Just imagine how many more would have been killed. Shortly after that
tragedy, other teenage white boys tried to duplicate their spree. They were
stopped by an armed principal and an armed citizen. Later two guys stopped
a killer in mid-stride by producing their own guns at a southeastern law
school. More lives are saved by armed citizens that are taken by armed
goblins and loons.
In your ear, Art. I'm sure it will be a pass through.
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The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense
Kent Finnell
From The Music City USA
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:56:20 PM |
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" The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense "
Yea, remember that when the Chinese smart bomb comes slaming into your
bunker from 35,000 feet.
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| User: "Karl Hungus" |
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23 Dec 2005 07:24:06 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135378579.968223.288190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
" The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense "
Yea, remember that when the Chinese smart bomb comes slaming into your
bunker from 35,000 feet.
I don't have a bunker. Unlike you, who hates and fears people who own guns,
I'm not paranoid.
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| User: "Kent Finnell" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:13:19 PM |
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"ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1135378579.968223.288190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
" The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense "
Yea, remember that when the Chinese smart bomb comes slaming into your
bunker from 35,000 feet.
You mean that Clinton gave them smart bomb technology too? I seriously
doubt that they'll drop one anywhere near where I live. Then they'll have
to put boots on the ground ...
And now we know who you're cheering for ...
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Vote Freedom First!
Kent Finnell
From the Music City, USA
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| User: "¿mÿ§t뮦@n?" |
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23 Dec 2005 05:22:02 PM |
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In talk.politics.guns "ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote:
" The Second Amendment ...
America's Original Homeland Defense "
Yea, remember that when the Chinese smart bomb comes slaming into your
bunker from 35,000 feet.
If it's anything like the other Chinese crap I've seen, it will be
slamming into Shanghai by mistake.
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| User: "Chris Squire" |
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23 Dec 2005 03:42:00 PM |
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ArthurP, the nut ball and filled with fruit bar that can't quote, wrote:
Yes, just imagin the Colimbine killing spree if the children had to use
knives instead of automatic weapons.
Yeah! Imagine those brain damaged brats you adore that set out to kill
IF they cut-n-sliced their victims to death instead.
Would that make you happier?
Are you brain cells still unable to use oxygen, "ArthurP?"
Why don't you want a ban on PROPANE tanks?
They used them as well, you moron!
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 03:47:16 PM |
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I did not say I adored them. Just that they would not have been able
to kill as many or as effectivly. and they would have been relativly
easy to overpower and disarm.
As to the propane bombs, they did not work as hey required more
planning and expertise than pulling a trigger.
Allso name call shows all kinds of maturaty, don't you think.
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| User: "Chris Squire" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:16:10 PM |
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ArthurP, the idiot, wrote:
I did not say I adored them.
If you are attempting to be known as a true usenet idiot, you are well
on your way.
Learn how to post!
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:18:39 PM |
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Yes, in a few years I may be stupid enough to challenge you for that
position.
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| User: "Chris Squire" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:23:48 PM |
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ArthurP, the known idiot, wrote:
Yes, in a few years I may be stupid enough to challenge you for that
position.
You already ARE too stupid to challenge anybody, you dork!
YOU can't even figure out how to post to usenet!
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| User: "ArthurP" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:31:46 PM |
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If I cannot post to usenet, which I have been doing since before the
introduction of the WWW netspace in 1989 by the way, how is my data
getting there.
"You always know your oponant has run out of points to argue when they
resort to name calling." anon.
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| User: "¿mÿ§t뮦@n?" |
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23 Dec 2005 04:41:40 PM |
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In talk.politics.guns "ArthurP" <arthurpaliden@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes, just imagin the Colimbine killing spree if the children had to use
knives instead of automatic weapons.
It would have been a hundred times worse. It would have given them
more time to work on their bombs, which would have killed everyone.
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