So the 2nd Amendment's only for collecting and talking about self-defense tools, *not* RESISTING TYRANNY AND ETHNIC CLEANSING, huh?



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User: "GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer"
Date: 30 May 2007 08:29:02 AM
Object: So the 2nd Amendment's only for collecting and talking about self-defense tools, *not* RESISTING TYRANNY AND ETHNIC CLEANSING, huh?
Just wanted to clarify something: The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States really only says that Americans have the right to
"keep" (collect, and maybe shoot the breeze online about) firearms but
didn't actually MEAN the part about "bearing" (using) them to thwart the
machinations of tyrants?
No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
-- Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.
-- Thomas Jefferson
I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by
strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
-- Thomas Jefferson
As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them
we can fight like men also.
-- Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
{GWA says check THESE out: "Don't use my tax money to buy America's hangin'
rope. U.S. bloody Civil War is nearer today"
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2... ;
"American taxpayers are being forced to subsidize their own displacement"
http://www.vdare.com/fulford/subsidies.htm ; "GOP Congress Earmarks $4
Million for Leftist Pro-Illegal Alien Group"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=10623}
-- Thomas Jefferson
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and
Romans, and must be that of every free state. "
-- Thomas Jefferson
Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute
so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and
define you.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies."
{GWA comment: Can you spell "B-a-n-k o-f A-m-e-r-i-c-a"?}
-- Thomas Jefferson
Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind,
for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those
entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it
into tyranny.
-- Thomas Jefferson
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it always to be kept alive.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do.
-- Thomas Jefferson
The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government,
and to protect its free expression should be our first object.
-- Thomas Jefferson
We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by
the majority who participate.
-- Thomas Jefferson
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to
remain silent.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people
alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.
-- Thomas Jefferson
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand
like a rock.
-- Thomas Jefferson
*************************************************************************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:
"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
www.PredatoryAliens.com
www.ImmigrationsHumanCost.org
www.DayLaborers.org
www.Alipac.us
www.ImmigrationWatchdog.com
www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.EscapingJustice.com
www.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.ImmigrationCounters.com
---------------------------------------------
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")
-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across the USA
(Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a member)
---------------------------------------------
:How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico;
By John Dillin
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html
Excerpt:
:General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: .The rise in illegal border-crossing
by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."
:Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.
:America .was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large
scale,・ Mr. Brownell said. .When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of
thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.・"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.DeputyDavidMarch.com
www.KrisEggle.org
"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in
criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on
a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In
addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also
prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison
population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of
felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal
aliens."
-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99% of
warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
men."
-- Samuel Adams
":All great truths begin as heresies.;
-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens
.

User: "Jerry Okamura"

Title: Re: So the 2nd Amendment's only for collecting and talking about self-defense tools, *not* RESISTING TYRANNY AND ETHNIC CLEANSING, huh? 30 May 2007 10:05:21 AM
If they did not mean what the words say, why did they use the words they
used? Why not leave out the word that you seem to believe should not have
been there?
"GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer" <guybannister58@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mk48qjym9dap.x3iqc6w1xiyf.dlg@40tude.net...

Just wanted to clarify something: The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States really only says that Americans have the right to
"keep" (collect, and maybe shoot the breeze online about) firearms but
didn't actually MEAN the part about "bearing" (using) them to thwart the
machinations of tyrants?

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.


-- Thomas Jefferson


The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.


-- Thomas Jefferson


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by
strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.


-- Thomas Jefferson


As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them
we can fight like men also.


-- Thomas Jefferson


To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.


{GWA says check THESE out: "Don't use my tax money to buy America's
hangin'
rope. U.S. bloody Civil War is nearer today"
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2... ;
"American taxpayers are being forced to subsidize their own displacement"
http://www.vdare.com/fulford/subsidies.htm ; "GOP Congress Earmarks $4
Million for Leftist Pro-Illegal Alien Group"
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=10623}


-- Thomas Jefferson


"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and
Romans, and must be that of every free state. "


-- Thomas Jefferson


Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute
so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.


-- Thomas Jefferson


Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and
define you.


-- Thomas Jefferson


"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies."
{GWA comment: Can you spell "B-a-n-k o-f A-m-e-r-i-c-a"?}


-- Thomas Jefferson


Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind,
for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the
poor.


-- Thomas Jefferson


Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those
entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it
into tyranny.


-- Thomas Jefferson


The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain
occasions,
that I wish it always to be kept alive.


-- Thomas Jefferson


Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do.


-- Thomas Jefferson


The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any
government,
and to protect its free expression should be our first object.


-- Thomas Jefferson


We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government
by
the majority who participate.


-- Thomas Jefferson


All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to
remain silent.


-- Thomas Jefferson


Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people
alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.


-- Thomas Jefferson


In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand
like a rock.


-- Thomas Jefferson


*************************************************************************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:


"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonald
www.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html


www.PredatoryAliens.com
www.ImmigrationsHumanCost.org
www.DayLaborers.org
www.Alipac.us
www.ImmigrationWatchdog.com
www.AmericanPatrol.com
www.SaveOurState.org
www.EscapingJustice.com
www.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:
www.ImmigrationCounters.com
---------------------------------------------
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")


-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across the
USA
(Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a member)
---------------------------------------------
:How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico;
By John Dillin
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html


Excerpt:


:General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: .The rise in illegal
border-crossing
by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."


:Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.


:America .was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large
scale,・ Mr. Brownell said. .When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of
thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.・"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:
www.DeputyDavidMarch.com
www.KrisEggle.org


"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in
criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens
on
a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In
addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also
prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison
population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of
felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal
aliens."


-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99% of
warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]


"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
men."
-- Samuel Adams


":All great truths begin as heresies.;


-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens

.

User: "Rightwinghank"

Title: Re: So the 2nd Amendment's only for collecting and talking about self-defense tools, *not* RESISTING TYRANNY AND ETHNIC CLEANSING, huh? 30 May 2007 08:45:09 AM
On May 30, 9:29 am, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer <guybanniste...@aol.com>
wrote:

Just wanted to clarify something: The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States really only says that Americans have the right to
"keep" (collect, and maybe shoot the breeze online about) firearms but
didn't actually MEAN the part about "bearing" (using) them to thwart the
machinations of tyrants?

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear
arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government.

-- Thomas Jefferson

I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by
strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.

-- Thomas Jefferson

As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them
we can fight like men also.

-- Thomas Jefferson

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he
disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

{GWA says check THESE out: "Don't use my tax money to buy America's hangin'
rope. U.S. bloody Civil War is nearer today"http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=2... ;
"American taxpayers are being forced to subsidize their own displacement"http://www.vdare.com/fulford/subsidies.htm; "GOP Congress Earmarks $4
Million for Leftist Pro-Illegal Alien Group"http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=10623}

-- Thomas Jefferson

"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and
Romans, and must be that of every free state. "

-- Thomas Jefferson

Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute
so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will delineate and
define you.

-- Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties
than standing armies."
{GWA comment: Can you spell "B-a-n-k o-f A-m-e-r-i-c-a"?}

-- Thomas Jefferson

Experience demands that man is the only animal which devours his own kind,
for I can apply no milder term to the general prey of the rich on the poor.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those
entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it
into tyranny.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions,
that I wish it always to be kept alive.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going to do.

-- Thomas Jefferson

The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government,
and to protect its free expression should be our first object.

-- Thomas Jefferson

We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by
the majority who participate.

-- Thomas Jefferson

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to
remain silent.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the people
alone. The people themselves are its only safe depositories.

-- Thomas Jefferson

In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand
like a rock.

-- Thomas Jefferson

*************************************************************************
PLEASE EMAIL THESE LINKS TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW:

"The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave" by Heather MacDonaldwww.City-Journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

www.PredatoryAliens.comwww.ImmigrationsHumanCost.orgwww.DayLaborers.orgwww.Alipac.uswww.ImmigrationWatchdog.comwww.AmericanPatrol.comwww.SaveOurState.orgwww.EscapingJustice.comwww.MothersAgainstIllegalAliens.org
See the COLOSSAL costs of illegal aliens to the American taxpayer:www.ImmigrationCounters.com
---------------------------------------------
"Por La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada"
("For The Race everything, for those outside The Race nothing")

-- Motto of MEChA, one of the nation's largest publically-funded
organizations with cells on high school and college campuses across the USA
(Note: Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez says he "used to be" a member)
---------------------------------------------
"How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico"
By John Dillinhttp://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

Excerpt:

"General Eisenhower ... quoted a report in The New York Times,
highlighting one paragraph that said: 'The rise in illegal border-crossing
by Mexican 'wetbacks' to a current rate of more than
1,000,000 cases a year has been accompanied by a curious relaxation
in ethical standards extending all the way from the farmer-exploiters
of this contraband labor to the highest levels of the Federal
Government ..."

"Herbert Brownell Jr., Eisenhower's first attorney general, said the
president had a sense of urgency about illegal immigration when he took
office.

"America 'was faced with a breakdown in law enforcement on a very large
scale,' Mr. Brownell said. 'When I say large scale, I mean hundreds of
thousands were coming in from Mexico [every year] without restraint.'"
--------------------------------------------------
Just two of MANY American cops murdered by illegals:www.DeputyDavidMarch.comwww.KrisEggle.org

"Unfortunately, the majority of illegal aliens who are here are engaged in
criminal activity. Identity theft, use of fraudulent Social Security
numbers and green cards, tax evasion, driving without licenses represent
some of the crimes that are engaged in by the majority of illegal aliens on
a daily basis merely to maintain and hide their illegal status. In
addition, violent crime and drug distribution and possession is also
prevalent among illegal aliens. Over 25% of today's federal prison
population are illegal aliens. In some areas of the country, 12% of
felonies, 25% of burglaries and 34% of thefts are committed by illegal
aliens."

-- Testimony of District Attorney John M. Morganelli before the House
Subcommittee on Immigration, Border, Security and Claims [Note: 99% of
warrants for murder in Los Angeles, California -- the USA's 2nd
most-populous city -- are for illegal aliens]

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of
men."
-- Samuel Adams

""All great truths begin as heresies."

-- Former Democrat Governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, official of
Defend Colorado Now, a movement opposed to illegal immigration
and public services for illegal aliens

... Damn correct!
The founders knew that ALL government with time..will turn bad...and
need
to be forcibly taken out...hence the need for a tool (guns) to do it.
They studied their European history...and knew the facts...and human
nature.
BUT....gun control and the loss of our first and second (and all the
rest) of our
rights is only a matter of time...as the liberals and communists in
our political system (read Hillary Clinton)
come to power.
Big government, to protect itself from us, HAS to do negate our
rights...to have free rein
over us.
We watch the trend as England, Australia, and Canada's governments
disarm their people...
and also, as their crime rates climb because citizens are now unarmed
and unable to fight back.
We forget that the government here serves at the will of the
people..not the other way around.
When the lazy welfare moms and illegal voting aliens outnumber the
working man...socialism will come about.
We will then become another socialist country with a poor medical
system, young men without jobs committing crimes,
and two hour long bread lines like in the old soviet union.
Sad.
love
hank
......................................
.

User: "me"

Title: Re: So the 2nd Amendment's only for collecting and talking about self-defense tools, *not* RESISTING TYRANNY AND ETHNIC CLEANSING, huh? 30 May 2007 08:36:36 AM
On May 30, 9:29 am, GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer <guybanniste...@aol.com>
wrote:

Just wanted to clarify something: The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution
of the United States really only says that Americans have the right to
"keep" (collect, and maybe shoot the breeze online about) firearms but
didn't actually MEAN the part about "bearing" (using) them to thwart the
machinations of tyrants?

It isn't clear that anyone thought that tyranny in and of itself
was the
purpose of the 2nd. If one thinks it through, a tyrannical government
isn't
gonna respect the 2nd, so with our without such protections, weapons
will have to be obtained/kept against the efforts of the government.
Arms where how they felt "independent". Otherwise they would be
"beholden" to the federal government. The states also didn't want to
be "beholden" to the feds, but really wanted the ability to wage war
to
come FROM the states (and the governed ultimately). They didn't write
the 2nd in order to ensure we were armed for the next revolution.
They
wrote it to ensure that we would keep the liberty that had already
been won.
.


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