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Date: 20 Apr 2005 03:09:14 PM
Object: Soros says be patient
Soros says be patient
By Hans Nichols
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042005/soros.html

George Soros told a carefully vetted gathering of 70 likeminded
millionaires and billionaires last weekend that they must be patient
if they want to realize long-term political and ideological yields
from an expected massive investment in “startup” progressive think
tanks.
The Scottsdale, Ariz., meeting, called to start the process of
building an ideas production line for liberal politicians, began what
organizers hope will be a long dialogue with the “partners,” many from
the high-tech industry. Participants have begun to refer to themselves
as the Phoenix Group.
Rob Stein, a veteran of President Bill Clinton’s Commerce Department
and of New York investment banking, convened the meeting of venture
capitalists, left-leaning moneymen and a select few D.C. strategists
on how to seed pro-Democratic think tanks, media outlets and
leadership schools to compete with such entrenched conservative
institutions as the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise
Institute and the Leadership Institute.
Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials were quietly
briefed about the meeting in recent weeks. DNC Chairman Howard Dean
was aware of it, in part though his friendship with Stein, but one
senior DNC source said the organizers “kept that list [of attendees]
kind of tight.”
Sarah Ingersoll, de facto spokeswoman for Stein’s Democracy Alliance,
said it was “a very preliminary meeting of committed donors interested
in building a community to support progressive infrastructure.”
The Democracy Alliance will act as a clearinghouse and is expected to
channel much of its money to new organizations and existing ones such
as John Podesta’s Center for American Progress and David Brock’s Media
Matters for America.
The money details are several weeks away. “There aren’t dollar figures
at this point,” Ingersoll said.
Soros, a Hungarian-born financier who donated more than $23 million to
pro-Democratic 527 groups last cycle, gave the main presentation, said
Ingersoll, who declined to name the other presenters.
“Primarily, we’re looking at making recommendations and thinking
through with these donors on how they can form an alliance,” she
added. “This is about creating a network of individuals to share
information to be effective in whatever they do going forward.”
Participants were tight-lipped, saying they wanted to keep media
expectations low, even suggesting that the Scottsdale gathering was
too insignificant to report. Other participants included former White
House press secretary Mike McCurry and New Democrat Network president
Simon Rosenberg. Andy Rappaport, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist
and reliable investor in liberal causes, did not attend the meeting,
his spokeswomen said.
Ingersoll said funding transparency is a priority, which she said
would contrast with some right-wing groups.
But transparency was not on display among the Scottsdale participants
contacted by The Hill. Details of the meeting remained sparse.
Most of the participants had already seen Stein’s slick presentation
titled “The Conservative Message Machine’s Money Matrix,” which lays
out how right-leaning donors have funded and invested in organization
that churn out conservative ideas. Stein unveiled his presentation at
the Democratic National Convention in Boston last year, at an event
hosted by Rosenberg and NDN.
Ingersoll denied that progressives are merely trying to replicate
Heritage and Fox News.
Another source at the meeting said that it was important for existing
progressive groups to coordinate their activities and to avoid the
turf wars that have riven progressive causes in the past.
One source at the DNC with direct knowledge of the agenda said that
the Phoenix Group had three specific goals at the outset. It wants to
create liberal think tanks, training camps for young progressives and
media centers.
Despite the general recognition that progressives are several years
behind conservatives, liberal activists are confident that technology
will help them close the gap. “Technology may allow us to do in a few
years what it took the other side 40 years,” the DNC source said.
But the Phoenix Group is not beholden to the political calendar, and
several sources insisted that four-year electoral exigencies were not
motivating the project. Indeed, part of the reasoning in keeping D.C.
consultants away from Scottsdale was to shield the high-tech donor
base from political operatives, who are always eager for quick dollars
to buy media points and fund direct mail.
“This is bigger than that,” the DNC source said

----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Gotta love the left. Life isn't a right but death is."
-- Captain Compassion
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 20 Apr 2005 07:45:34 PM
A rich Democrat.
A Republican's worst nightmare. And a constant source of confusion.
"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bkdd61hr74d6ra1jv51hvmqn3ag5c6b9tg@4ax.com...

Soros says be patient
By Hans Nichols
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042005/soros.html

George Soros told a carefully vetted gathering of 70 likeminded
millionaires and billionaires last weekend that they must be patient
if they want to realize long-term political and ideological yields
from an expected massive investment in "startup" progressive think
tanks.

The Scottsdale, Ariz., meeting, called to start the process of
building an ideas production line for liberal politicians, began what
organizers hope will be a long dialogue with the "partners," many from
the high-tech industry. Participants have begun to refer to themselves
as the Phoenix Group.

Rob Stein, a veteran of President Bill Clinton's Commerce Department
and of New York investment banking, convened the meeting of venture
capitalists, left-leaning moneymen and a select few D.C. strategists
on how to seed pro-Democratic think tanks, media outlets and
leadership schools to compete with such entrenched conservative
institutions as the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise
Institute and the Leadership Institute.

Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials were quietly
briefed about the meeting in recent weeks. DNC Chairman Howard Dean
was aware of it, in part though his friendship with Stein, but one
senior DNC source said the organizers "kept that list [of attendees]
kind of tight."

Sarah Ingersoll, de facto spokeswoman for Stein's Democracy Alliance,
said it was "a very preliminary meeting of committed donors interested
in building a community to support progressive infrastructure."

The Democracy Alliance will act as a clearinghouse and is expected to
channel much of its money to new organizations and existing ones such
as John Podesta's Center for American Progress and David Brock's Media
Matters for America.

The money details are several weeks away. "There aren't dollar figures
at this point," Ingersoll said.
Soros, a Hungarian-born financier who donated more than $23 million to
pro-Democratic 527 groups last cycle, gave the main presentation, said
Ingersoll, who declined to name the other presenters.

"Primarily, we're looking at making recommendations and thinking
through with these donors on how they can form an alliance," she
added. "This is about creating a network of individuals to share
information to be effective in whatever they do going forward."

Participants were tight-lipped, saying they wanted to keep media
expectations low, even suggesting that the Scottsdale gathering was
too insignificant to report. Other participants included former White
House press secretary Mike McCurry and New Democrat Network president
Simon Rosenberg. Andy Rappaport, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist
and reliable investor in liberal causes, did not attend the meeting,
his spokeswomen said.

Ingersoll said funding transparency is a priority, which she said
would contrast with some right-wing groups.

But transparency was not on display among the Scottsdale participants
contacted by The Hill. Details of the meeting remained sparse.

Most of the participants had already seen Stein's slick presentation
titled "The Conservative Message Machine's Money Matrix," which lays
out how right-leaning donors have funded and invested in organization
that churn out conservative ideas. Stein unveiled his presentation at
the Democratic National Convention in Boston last year, at an event
hosted by Rosenberg and NDN.

Ingersoll denied that progressives are merely trying to replicate
Heritage and Fox News.

Another source at the meeting said that it was important for existing
progressive groups to coordinate their activities and to avoid the
turf wars that have riven progressive causes in the past.

One source at the DNC with direct knowledge of the agenda said that
the Phoenix Group had three specific goals at the outset. It wants to
create liberal think tanks, training camps for young progressives and
media centers.

Despite the general recognition that progressives are several years
behind conservatives, liberal activists are confident that technology
will help them close the gap. "Technology may allow us to do in a few
years what it took the other side 40 years," the DNC source said.

But the Phoenix Group is not beholden to the political calendar, and
several sources insisted that four-year electoral exigencies were not
motivating the project. Indeed, part of the reasoning in keeping D.C.
consultants away from Scottsdale was to shield the high-tech donor
base from political operatives, who are always eager for quick dollars
to buy media points and fund direct mail.

"This is bigger than that," the DNC source said


----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Gotta love the left. Life isn't a right but death is."
-- Captain Compassion

"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike

"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger

"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net

.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 21 Apr 2005 12:12:00 AM
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 00:45:34 GMT, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote:

A rich Democrat.

A Republican's worst nightmare. And a constant source of confusion.

Who said that the Democratic party couldn't be bought. Did you catch
the part about the training camps for young progressives? I wonder
what kind of uniforms they will wear?
Hitler Youth brown.
http://histclo.hispeed.com/youth/youth/org/nat/hitler/hitler.htm
or Young Pioneer Red and white. The Red Diaper babies live on.
http://histclo.hispeed.com/youth/youth/org/pio/pioneerus.htm


"Captain Compassion" <res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:bkdd61hr74d6ra1jv51hvmqn3ag5c6b9tg@4ax.com...

Soros says be patient
By Hans Nichols
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/042005/soros.html

George Soros told a carefully vetted gathering of 70 likeminded
millionaires and billionaires last weekend that they must be patient
if they want to realize long-term political and ideological yields
from an expected massive investment in "startup" progressive think
tanks.

The Scottsdale, Ariz., meeting, called to start the process of
building an ideas production line for liberal politicians, began what
organizers hope will be a long dialogue with the "partners," many from
the high-tech industry. Participants have begun to refer to themselves
as the Phoenix Group.

Rob Stein, a veteran of President Bill Clinton's Commerce Department
and of New York investment banking, convened the meeting of venture
capitalists, left-leaning moneymen and a select few D.C. strategists
on how to seed pro-Democratic think tanks, media outlets and
leadership schools to compete with such entrenched conservative
institutions as the Heritage Foundation, the American Enterprise
Institute and the Leadership Institute.

Senior Democratic National Committee (DNC) officials were quietly
briefed about the meeting in recent weeks. DNC Chairman Howard Dean
was aware of it, in part though his friendship with Stein, but one
senior DNC source said the organizers "kept that list [of attendees]
kind of tight."

Sarah Ingersoll, de facto spokeswoman for Stein's Democracy Alliance,
said it was "a very preliminary meeting of committed donors interested
in building a community to support progressive infrastructure."

The Democracy Alliance will act as a clearinghouse and is expected to
channel much of its money to new organizations and existing ones such
as John Podesta's Center for American Progress and David Brock's Media
Matters for America.

The money details are several weeks away. "There aren't dollar figures
at this point," Ingersoll said.
Soros, a Hungarian-born financier who donated more than $23 million to
pro-Democratic 527 groups last cycle, gave the main presentation, said
Ingersoll, who declined to name the other presenters.

"Primarily, we're looking at making recommendations and thinking
through with these donors on how they can form an alliance," she
added. "This is about creating a network of individuals to share
information to be effective in whatever they do going forward."

Participants were tight-lipped, saying they wanted to keep media
expectations low, even suggesting that the Scottsdale gathering was
too insignificant to report. Other participants included former White
House press secretary Mike McCurry and New Democrat Network president
Simon Rosenberg. Andy Rappaport, a Silicon Valley venture capitalist
and reliable investor in liberal causes, did not attend the meeting,
his spokeswomen said.

Ingersoll said funding transparency is a priority, which she said
would contrast with some right-wing groups.

But transparency was not on display among the Scottsdale participants
contacted by The Hill. Details of the meeting remained sparse.

Most of the participants had already seen Stein's slick presentation
titled "The Conservative Message Machine's Money Matrix," which lays
out how right-leaning donors have funded and invested in organization
that churn out conservative ideas. Stein unveiled his presentation at
the Democratic National Convention in Boston last year, at an event
hosted by Rosenberg and NDN.

Ingersoll denied that progressives are merely trying to replicate
Heritage and Fox News.

Another source at the meeting said that it was important for existing
progressive groups to coordinate their activities and to avoid the
turf wars that have riven progressive causes in the past.

One source at the DNC with direct knowledge of the agenda said that
the Phoenix Group had three specific goals at the outset. It wants to
create liberal think tanks, training camps for young progressives and
media centers.

Despite the general recognition that progressives are several years
behind conservatives, liberal activists are confident that technology
will help them close the gap. "Technology may allow us to do in a few
years what it took the other side 40 years," the DNC source said.

But the Phoenix Group is not beholden to the political calendar, and
several sources insisted that four-year electoral exigencies were not
motivating the project. Indeed, part of the reasoning in keeping D.C.
consultants away from Scottsdale was to shield the high-tech donor
base from political operatives, who are always eager for quick dollars
to buy media points and fund direct mail.

"This is bigger than that," the DNC source said


----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Gotta love the left. Life isn't a right but death is."
-- Captain Compassion
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
.


User: "John"

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 20 Apr 2005 04:01:59 PM
As a leftist and a small contributor to the Democratic Party, I'm not
too happy about this.
It looks as if "progressive" millionaires will be saving the Democratic
Party from the GOP attack machine, which is good, but they'll do this
by ensuring that it never challenges the basic logic of the capitalist
system.
And since the basic logic of the capitalist system is behind many of
the social problems that bother leftists and conservatives alike, the
direction Soros is hoping to take the party will limit the political
system's ability to tackle nitty-gritty issues in American society.
What we probably can count on is a form of corporate liberalism that at
least is compassionate, rather than demonizing racial minorities and
people with alternative sexual lifestyles, and that is more inclined
towards international cooperation than the pursuit of perpetual war.
So the Soros brand of Democratic politics will be "kinder and gentler"
than anything the GOP right has to offer.
But because it can't and won't challenge the basis of corporate power
itself, its power to do good will be limited.
______________________
"You gotta love the right. They advocate 'life' for fetuses, but they
don't mind killing adults in the Third World for the benefit of the oil
companies. They say they hate abortion, but they love war. They say
they want to 'save the babies,' but they'll cut off social support to a
poor welfare mother in a minute, and force her to abandon her babies 8
hours a day for a low-wage job.
"You gotta love conservatives . They yell about keeping Terry Schiavo
on life support, but try to dismantle the Social Security system that
keeps millions of older Americans on life support.
"Go figure, huh?
"They proclaim their devotion to 'religious values,' but trash the
environment, worship the almighty dollar and take the way of the sword
over the way of the peacemaker every time.
"If Jesus of Nazareth walked the earth today, Ann Coulter would be
calling him a 'Traitor.' And by Ann's criteria, He would be be. He
wouldn't be nearly religious enough for Ann, as Ann defines religion.
On the other hand, He probably would be compassionate in forgiving Rush
Limbaugh for his opiate addictions."
-- Major Insight
"Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like
whitened sephulcres. On the outside you are snowy white, but on the
inside you are filled with dead men's bones and all matter of
corruption."
-- Jesus of Nazareth, Gospel According to St. Matthew
"Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you search the
earth to make a single convert, and when you find him, you turn him
into a worse sinner than yourselves. You tithe mint and dill and
cumin, but neglect the weightier matters of the law, which are justice
and mercy. This you ought to have done, and tithed the other, as
well."
--- Ibid.
"Without the existence of the State, man lives in a state of nature in
which all are at war with all, and the life of man becomes soliditary,
nasty, brutish and short."
-- Thomas Hobbes, "Leviathan"
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 20 Apr 2005 06:00:04 PM
Soros is more of a fake than Dean,
who may not know that he is.
Soros learned his trade in Vichy Hungary,
according to his autobio. but
you wouldn't know this from the Liberal Media
Owned by Conswervatives, or the Wall St. Urinal;
do a search on George on http://larouchepub.com,
and you'll find a few things.
thus:
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html=AD/9_11_-_all_the_proof_you_need=AD.html
any number of entities could have done that,
within the financial community, I'd guess;
that's a).
b) the hare-brained analysis of WTC7 assumes
that the substructure of the complex,
which included a large subway station,
was not affected by the two largest buildings,
falling down into it.
--Chair Man George NAND Strep Throat @ W'gate?
http://tarpley.net/bush12.htm=20
http://laroucehpub.com
.


User: "The Bandit"

Title: Soros says be patient 20 Apr 2005 04:00:31 PM
Captain Compassion <res0m...@NOSPAMverizon.net> - wrote:

Soros says be patient
By Hans Nichols
http://www.thehill.com/thehill=AD/export/TheHill/News/Fr-
ontpage=AD/042005/s...

George Soros told a carefully vetted gathering of 70 likeminded
millionaires and billionaires last weekend that they must be patient
if they want to realize long-term political and ideological yields
from an expected massive investment in =93startup=94 progressive think
tanks.

George Soros is trying to buy himself a pardon with a like minded
president he helps elect....once you see a libby pres and a pardon
Geroge will go quietly...
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User: ""

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 20 Apr 2005 07:20:58 PM
Soros is in denial. You can buy think tanks. You can buy newspapers.
You can buy television stations and talkingheads. But what you cannot
buy are VOTERS.
All anyone has to do is look at those Red-vs-Blue county-by-county 2000
and 2004 maps to see how nil liberals' hopes are outside of core urban
Blue Nation - which they already have locked up.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission!
http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: Soros says be patient 21 Apr 2005 12:00:30 AM
On 20 Apr 2005 17:20:58 -0700, "editor@netpath.net"
<editor@netpath.net> wrote:

Soros is in denial. You can buy think tanks. You can buy newspapers.
You can buy television stations and talkingheads. But what you cannot
buy are VOTERS.
All anyone has to do is look at those Red-vs-Blue county-by-county 2000
and 2004 maps to see how nil liberals' hopes are outside of core urban
Blue Nation - which they already have locked up.

The demographics don't favor the Democrats. Their base is Eastern and
Urban while population is moving South, West and Suburban.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Gotta love the left. Life isn't a right but death is."
-- Captain Compassion
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Why would I listen to losers?" -- Arnold Schwarzenegger
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
.



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