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"Pulver" |
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08 Aug 2003 09:42:17 AM |
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State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy
By Charles Krauthammer
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel — reducing badly
needed loan guarantees — if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy — inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
The Israelis are not happy with the fence. They love
the land as much as the Palestinians, and scarring it
with any barrier is so painful to Israelis that for
years they resisted the idea. The reason they finally
decided to build it is that they could no longer in
good conscience refrain from taking the one step that
could prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from sneaking
into Israel to blow up innocents.
This is not speculation. There have been nearly 100
Palestinian suicide bombings. All the terrorists came
from the West Bank, where the barrier is being built.
Not a single one has com from Gaza. Why? Because there
already is a fence separating Gaza from Israel.
"The fence would not even be a factor if it were not
for the violence in the last few years," writes former
chief U.S. Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross. "Truth
be told, those responsible for the fence are Hamas,
Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades."
In America, we build stretches of fence along the
Mexican border to prevent foreigners from coming in to
take jobs. It takes a lot of audacity to demand that
Israel stop building a fence whose purpose is to
prevent foreigners from coming in to commit mass
murder.
As part of the propaganda campaign against the barrier,
it has been called a wall. In fact, it is a fence, with
electronics on either side to prevent infiltrators. It
is wall-like for only about a tenth of its length — in
just two places, both along the Trans-Israel Highway.
Why? Because Palestinian gunmen had been shooting from
Palestinian territory onto the highway and killing
innocent Israelis.
In America, barrier walls are built along highways to
keep neighbors from being inconvenienced by the noise.
In Israel, barrier walls are built along highways to
prevent passengers from being killed by bullets. Yet
the State Department wants to punish Israel with
sanctions for building a defensive barrier designed to
prevent motorists from being shot while traveling
inside Israel itself.
What is scandalous about the State Department's joining
this Palestinian propaganda campaign is that the
department has for months been campaigning to implement
its "road map" for peace, published on April 30. It has
three phases. We are now in Phase I.
In which phase is Israel supposed to stop work on the
fence? In none. There is nothing in the road map about
the fence. In any phase.
In Phase I Israel is supposed to dismantle settlement
outposts, which it has begun doing. Ultimately, Israel
is required to freeze old settlements, which it is
prepared to do when the Palestinians fulfill their part
of Phase I. And what is that?
The road map is explicit: The Palestinians must begin
"sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at
.. . . dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and
infrastructure." They have done none of this. None. A
three-month truce has been declared. But Palestinian
Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has not just delayed
cracking down on the terrorist apparatus; he has said
that he will not do so at all because of fear of a
Palestinian civil war.
How has the State Department reacted to this open
reneging on the Palestinians' central obligation in
Phase I? At first it said it would simply give Abbas a
short time to begin dismantling the terrorist
infrastructure. Now it appears quite satisfied with a
temporary truce that allows Hamas and the other
terrorists to rearm and regroup, and that can and will
be broken at the time and place of their choosing.
This is a direct contradiction of the road map. It is a
contradiction of the central requirement of Palestinian
compliance. It is a contradiction of the Middle East
policy announced by President Bush in his June 24,
2002, speech that promised the Palestinians their own
independent state — but only if they first ceased the
violence and dismantled the violence machine.
The State Department is ignoring, indeed excusing,
Palestinians' violation of their central obligation
under Phase I of the road map. At the very same time,
the State Department is threatening Israel with
sanctions over a fence that is nowhere mentioned in the
road map.
This kind of amnesia and one-sidedness is not new. We
have been here before. It was called Oslo. And we know
how it ended.
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| User: "DDB" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
08 Aug 2003 04:26:43 PM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F33B63F.1136BD7B@gta.igs.net...
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy
By Charles Krauthammer
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel - reducing badly
needed loan guarantees - if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy - inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
The Israelis are not happy with the fence. They love
the land as much as the Palestinians, and scarring it
with any barrier is so painful to Israelis that for
years they resisted the idea. The reason they finally
decided to build it is that they could no longer in
good conscience refrain from taking the one step that
could prevent Palestinian suicide bombers from sneaking
into Israel to blow up innocents.
This is not speculation. There have been nearly 100
Palestinian suicide bombings. All the terrorists came
from the West Bank, where the barrier is being built.
Not a single one has com from Gaza. Why? Because there
already is a fence separating Gaza from Israel.
"The fence would not even be a factor if it were not
for the violence in the last few years," writes former
chief U.S. Middle East negotiator Dennis Ross. "Truth
be told, those responsible for the fence are Hamas,
Islamic Jihad, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades."
In America, we build stretches of fence along the
Mexican border to prevent foreigners from coming in to
take jobs. It takes a lot of audacity to demand that
Israel stop building a fence whose purpose is to
prevent foreigners from coming in to commit mass
murder.
As part of the propaganda campaign against the barrier,
it has been called a wall. In fact, it is a fence, with
electronics on either side to prevent infiltrators. It
is wall-like for only about a tenth of its length - in
just two places, both along the Trans-Israel Highway.
Why? Because Palestinian gunmen had been shooting from
Palestinian territory onto the highway and killing
innocent Israelis.
In America, barrier walls are built along highways to
keep neighbors from being inconvenienced by the noise.
In Israel, barrier walls are built along highways to
prevent passengers from being killed by bullets. Yet
the State Department wants to punish Israel with
sanctions for building a defensive barrier designed to
prevent motorists from being shot while traveling
inside Israel itself.
What is scandalous about the State Department's joining
this Palestinian propaganda campaign is that the
department has for months been campaigning to implement
its "road map" for peace, published on April 30. It has
three phases. We are now in Phase I.
In which phase is Israel supposed to stop work on the
fence? In none. There is nothing in the road map about
the fence. In any phase.
In Phase I Israel is supposed to dismantle settlement
outposts, which it has begun doing. Ultimately, Israel
is required to freeze old settlements, which it is
prepared to do when the Palestinians fulfill their part
of Phase I. And what is that?
The road map is explicit: The Palestinians must begin
"sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at
. . . dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and
infrastructure." They have done none of this. None. A
three-month truce has been declared. But Palestinian
Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has not just delayed
cracking down on the terrorist apparatus; he has said
that he will not do so at all because of fear of a
Palestinian civil war.
How has the State Department reacted to this open
reneging on the Palestinians' central obligation in
Phase I? At first it said it would simply give Abbas a
short time to begin dismantling the terrorist
infrastructure. Now it appears quite satisfied with a
temporary truce that allows Hamas and the other
terrorists to rearm and regroup, and that can and will
be broken at the time and place of their choosing.
This is a direct contradiction of the road map. It is a
contradiction of the central requirement of Palestinian
compliance. It is a contradiction of the Middle East
policy announced by President Bush in his June 24,
2002, speech that promised the Palestinians their own
independent state - but only if they first ceased the
violence and dismantled the violence machine.
The State Department is ignoring, indeed excusing,
Palestinians' violation of their central obligation
under Phase I of the road map. At the very same time,
the State Department is threatening Israel with
sanctions over a fence that is nowhere mentioned in the
road map.
This kind of amnesia and one-sidedness is not new. We
have been here before. It was called Oslo. And we know
how it ended.
The US should withhold all future funds to Isreal, Jordan, egypt and the
palestinains. Let them work out their problems before we spend another dime
in that ***** hole.
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| User: "Nes" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
08 Aug 2003 10:16:57 AM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F33B63F.1136BD7B@gta.igs.net...
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy
By Charles Krauthammer
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel - reducing badly
needed loan guarantees - if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy - inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
<snip>
- inverting cause of effect?
As usual this Israel Firster hasn't got a clue. The fence is being build on
Palestinian territory and is as such both an instrument of imperial land
grab, of racist creation of a gated Bantustan in the best traditions of
Apartheid, and a tool of economic and military oppression and terror aimed
at ordinary Palestinian citizens as it limits their going about their
legitimate business and threatens them with military violence from inside
their own territory.
If the Israeli government and/or population want a fence, let them build it
on their own ground, on their side of the demarcation line - what else!?
Nes
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
08 Aug 2003 11:47:50 PM |
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"Nes" <nmorpheus2002@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:bh0etc$t8o3v$1@ID-130862.news.uni-berlin.de...
As usual this Israel Firster hasn't got a clue. The fence is being build
on
Palestinian territory and is as such both an instrument of imperial land
grab, of racist creation of a gated Bantustan in the best traditions of
Apartheid, <snip>
1. In what way is an effort by State A to control the entry into its
territory of self-proclaimed citizens of State B reminiscent of "Apartheid,"
which was a system predicated on controlling the movements and mingling of
citizens of a single state?
2. Am I correct in assuming that your reference to the proposed Palestinian
state as a "Bantustan" that you hold that the real Palestine extends from
the Jordan to the Mediterranean?
3. Don't "imperial land grabs" usually begin with an attack by the acquiring
power on the territory of the occupied? Compare and contrast this idea with
the origins of de facto Israeli authority east of the Jordan River.
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| User: "Nes" |
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09 Aug 2003 10:46:02 AM |
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"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:W1%Ya.90976$3o3.6299005@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
<snip>
1. In what way is an effort by State A to control the entry into its
territory of self-proclaimed citizens of State B reminiscent of
"Apartheid,"
....it's reminiscent of, actually, it is exactly equal to in ethical all well
as practical terms the enforced relocation of the South African black
population into racial enclaves, nominal nation states, by the SA government
under Verwoert.
which was a system predicated on controlling the movements and mingling of
citizens of a single state?
The Israeli government has no right to control the behaviour of the
Palestinian population as long as the Palestinians are on THEIR national
territory. As for the Palestinians with Israeli citizenship, around 50% of
the Israeli population, the same laws apply to them as to the remainder of
the population, in principle. But that is not the reality of life for
Israeli citizens of Palestinian ethnic background, who're treated like the
SA government treated "Bantus" during Apartheid, denying them their simple
rights while crassly exploiting them economically!
2. Am I correct in assuming that your reference to the proposed
Palestinian
state as a "Bantustan" that you hold that the real Palestine extends from
the Jordan to the Mediterranean?
The Palistians sovereign territory has long been determined by ratified UN
treaties, without which neither the Israeli nor the Palestinian nations
could never have come into existence.
3. Don't "imperial land grabs" usually begin with an attack by the
acquiring
power on the territory of the occupied? Compare and contrast this idea
with
the origins of de facto Israeli authority east of the Jordan River.
No, it does not. There are no fixed rules, except that the nation which
conquers and oppresses others from an agenda of national aggrandizement is
the aggressor, the criminal, the morally reprehensive murderer and torturer
who despoils life and threatens peace.
Nes
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| User: "Nes" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
10 Aug 2003 05:52:00 AM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F3584AC.E1CAEC48@gta.igs.net...
<snip>
As usual nes is full of lies. He is even worse than arafat,
who manages to say two contradictory statements, in two
languages, at the same time
Hah! I noticed the non sequitur, the ad hominem attack, pars per toto
fallacy, and the abject ignorance of modern history displayed in this last
"reply" of yours. It is hardly worth the effort to debunk, as it manages to
do so quite well on its own, with no further assistance. Now go hang your
head in shame!
Nes
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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09 Aug 2003 07:25:36 PM |
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Pulver wrote:
Nes wrote:
"John Smith" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
<snip>
1. In what way is an effort by State A to control the entry into its
territory of self-proclaimed citizens of State B reminiscent of
"Apartheid,"
...it's reminiscent of, actually, it is exactly equal to in ethical all well
as practical terms the enforced relocation of the South African black
population into racial enclaves, nominal nation states, by the SA government
under Verwoert.
As usual nes is full of lies. He is even worse than arafat,
who manages to say two contradictory statements, in two
languages, at the same time
"I am not going to pursue conflicting arguments with
secondhand knowledge, but merely to say the obvious --
that the settlement policy appears to have changed the
very nature of the Israeli state and that a new birth
of a humanistic vision is necessary if the Jewish
presence is to be seen as worth preserving. To put
it perhaps too succinctly--without justice at its
center, no stste can endure as a representation of
the Jewish nature."
--Arthur Miller, playwright, on winning the
Jerusalem Prize
--
"To delight in war is a merit in the soldier,
a dangerous quality in the captain, and a
positive crime in the statesman."
George Santayana
"Bring them on."
George W. Bush
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| User: "Mark K" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
08 Aug 2003 07:31:08 PM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F33B63F.1136BD7B@gta.igs.net...
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy
By Charles Krauthammer
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel - reducing badly
needed loan guarantees - if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy - inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
Krauthammer is stll another Jewish guy working overtime "for the good of the
Jews".
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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08 Aug 2003 10:04:48 PM |
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mark k sez:
"Krauthammer is stll another Jewish guy working overtime "for the good of
the
Jews..."
_______________________
And Mark K is working overtime for the good of who?
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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08 Aug 2003 03:17:33 PM |
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Pulver wrote:
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy=20
=20
By Charles Krauthammer=20
=20
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel =97 reducing badly
needed loan guarantees =97 if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy =97 inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
You want to go into how the Israeli government used to
fund Hamas to undercut the authority of the PLO? I
didn't think so. Bleat on.
--Jeff
--=20
"To delight in war is a merit in the soldier,
a dangerous quality in the captain, and a
positive crime in the statesman."
George Santayana
"Bring them on."
George W. Bush
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| User: "GD" |
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| Title: Re: State Department is joining the latest Palestinian propaganda ploy |
08 Aug 2003 04:14:46 PM |
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Jeffrey Turner <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in
news:3F34055D.9050105@localnet.com:
Pulver wrote:
State Department is joining the latest Palestinian
propaganda ploy
By Charles Krauthammer
The State Department is proposing that the United
States play hardball with Israel — reducing badly
needed loan guarantees — if it proceeds with the
barrier it is erecting between Israeli and Palestinian
populations. With this, the State Department joins the
latest Palestinian propaganda ploy — inverting cause
and effect, and making the fence the issue, rather than
the terrorism that made the fence necessary.
You want to go into how the Israeli government used to
fund Hamas to undercut the authority of the PLO? I
didn't think so. Bleat on.
According to this page, its all a CIA plot!
Ohh.. you cant trust anybody nowdays.
http://emperors-clothes.com/letters/cia.htm
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