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23 Aug 2006 01:07:15 PM |
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Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: |
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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23 Aug 2006 01:41:24 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant
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23 Aug 2006 03:04:32 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Deal with the world that exists today. Should the lady's live in
boyfriend be covered?
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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23 Aug 2006 08:40:17 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Deal with the world that exists today. Should the lady's live in
boyfriend be covered?
If it had been her live-in girlfriend, she would have been covered,
apparently. So, since the law says there's no discrimination by sex or
sexual orientation, then I guess her live-in boyfriend should be
covered.
--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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23 Aug 2006 11:43:36 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:40:17 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Deal with the world that exists today. Should the lady's live in
boyfriend be covered?
If it had been her live-in girlfriend, she would have been covered,
apparently. So, since the law says there's no discrimination by sex or
sexual orientation, then I guess her live-in boyfriend should be
covered.
That's how the Captain sees it. No slippery slope here.
What would be the consequences of her having multiple live in boy
friends?
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Aug 2006 08:47:54 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:40:17 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Deal with the world that exists today. Should the lady's live in
boyfriend be covered?
If it had been her live-in girlfriend, she would have been covered,
apparently. So, since the law says there's no discrimination by sex or
sexual orientation, then I guess her live-in boyfriend should be
covered.
That's how the Captain sees it. No slippery slope here.
What would be the consequences of her having multiple live in boy
friends?
At the same time? You mean other than circles under her eyes?
--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant
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23 Aug 2006 05:12:58 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Um ... "health insurance" is hardly the ONLY possible
issue here.
Aside from that, those states that take the cowardly
way out - inventing 'civil unions' or some kind of
'domestic partner' benifits - rather than going all
the way either for or against outright gay marriage
are gonna get SEVERELY screwed-over by these sorts
of lawsuits.
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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23 Aug 2006 08:48:29 PM |
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B1ackwater wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:41:24 -0400, Jeffrey Turner
<jturner@localnet.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
By Curt Woodward
Associated Press
One of the first tests for Washington's new gay civil rights law has
an intriguing twist: The complaint was filed by a heterosexual woman.
The state's discrimination watchdogs are investigating the case, which
claims unmarried straight people should get the same domestic partner
benefits as their gay and lesbian co-workers.
But officials are treading carefully, Human Rights Commission Director
Marc Brenman said, because upholding the claim could set a sweeping
new precedent for Washington businesses.
"We have to proceed very, very cautiously because we could be creating
new policy for employers and other entities in the state," Brenman
said Tuesday.
The complaint, filed last week, is one of four that have spawned
full-fledged investigations under the sexual orientation section of
Washington's anti-discrimination law.
It was signed by Sandi Scott-Moore, a Redmond-based employee of
manufacturer Honeywell International. Scott-Moore claims health
insurance coverage for her male partner was denied because the
unmarried couple is not of the same gender.
Scott-Moore did not return phone messages seeking comment about the
complaint, which The Associated Press obtained through a state open
records request.
Honeywell spokesman Robert Ferris said the company does provide health
benefits for the partners of its gay and lesbian employees and has a
zero-tolerance stand on discrimination. But the company disagrees with
Scott-Moore, he said in a statement.
"We believe the claim filed with the Washington State Human Rights
Commission is without merit and plan to vigorously defend our
position," Ferris wrote.
The state law at issue was expanded earlier this year, when state
lawmakers added sexual orientation to an existing law that prohibits
discrimination in housing, employment, lending and insurance. It went
into effect in July.
The measure was aimed squarely at protecting Washington's gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender residents. But its language is
broader, banning any discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Joseph Fuiten, chairman of the conservative Faith and Freedom Network,
said opponents of the gay rights measure predicted scenarios such as
the Honeywell-related complaint.
"(Gays and lesbians) basically said, 'Treat us fair, treat us the same
as everybody else,'" Fuiten said. "I don't know how you're going to
get around treating heterosexuals the same."
Brenman said the commission has been deliberate with the Honeywell
complaint, including outreach to state pension and insurance
regulators and planned meetings with private businesses to discuss the
policy implications.
"In order to finish the investigation, we're going to have to figure
out what the policy is," Brenman said. "There's a big controversy
about this, and we're going to have to work through it."
Jennifer Pizer, a lawyer for the gay-rights firm Lambda Legal, said
similar cases have been raised elsewhere without much success. But the
group generally supports efforts that are aimed at ending
discrimination, she said.
"It's marital status discrimination. You're telling people, in
essence, they will be paid less" because they can't get the same
benefits, Pizer said.
The three other complaints being investigated under the law, according
to records provided by the commission:
Harborview Medical Center security guard Tyler Joseph Miller, who said
he was harassed on the job because he is openly gay. A Harborview
spokeswoman declined to discuss personnel issues but said the hospital
thoroughly investigates discrimination claims.
Van Ethan Levy, who said he quit a job at Olympia's Best Buy store
because of harassment over his female-to-male transgender status. A
spokeswoman for the retailer declined specific comment but said the
company does not tolerate discrimination.
An unfair housing allegation from G. Jane Spencer-Watkins, who said
she was harassed and evicted from a Gig Harbor RV park because she is
transgender. A manager at the park declined comment, and a message
left for a property manager was not immediately returned.
If we had single-payer health insurance and gay marriage, this wouldn't
be a problem. Everyone would have health coverage regardless of marital
status, and there wouldn't be the asymmetry between gay and straight
couples when it comes to marital status. But that would be too easy,
eh?
Um ... "health insurance" is hardly the ONLY possible
issue here.
Aside from that, those states that take the cowardly
way out - inventing 'civil unions' or some kind of
'domestic partner' benifits - rather than going all
the way either for or against outright gay marriage
are gonna get SEVERELY screwed-over by these sorts
of lawsuits.
Depends what benefits are included in "civil unions." Separate but
equal may have been decided against, but it can still be resurrected.
And "a rose by any other name still smells as sweet (or whatever the
exact quote is)." So, it's not the civil unions that will get states
into trouble. The problem in Washington is that there isn't a special
situation for gay couples, which leaves them open to discrimination
when treating married straight couples, live-in gay couples, and live-in
straight couples differently.
If the Bush twins can go to their hairdresser's gay wedding, then the
days of gay marriage prohibition are numbered. Personally, I don't
understand the fuss.
--Jeff
--
Often war is waged only in order to
show valor; thus an inner dignity is
ascribed to war itself, and even some
philosophers have praised it as an
ennoblement of humanity, forgetting the
pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
--Immanuel Kant
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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23 Aug 2006 05:10:14 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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24 Aug 2006 12:03:20 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I'll have to talk this over with Mrs. Compassion.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Aug 2006 11:48:13 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I'll have to talk this over with Mrs. Compassion.
I doubt your mother acknowledges you as a relative, let alone talks to
you.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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25 Aug 2006 10:37:02 AM |
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On 24 Aug 2006 21:48:13 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I'll have to talk this over with Mrs. Compassion.
I doubt your mother acknowledges you as a relative, let alone talks to
you.
I haven't seen me Mum in over 50 years. If I were to talk to her it
would have to be through a Medium.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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25 Aug 2006 03:17:00 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I'll have to talk this over with Mrs. Compassion.
There ya go. Leave it up to the queers, and look at what ya get.
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24 Aug 2006 11:14:35 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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24 Aug 2006 07:09:28 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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24 Aug 2006 07:23:29 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
I recall that in the famous California palimony cases
it was ruled that the "contract" could be written, oral,
or even implied. I don't know how high they actually
set the bar for proving such a "contract" existed.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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24 Aug 2006 11:50:16 PM |
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wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
I recall that in the famous California palimony cases
it was ruled that the "contract" could be written, oral,
or even implied. I don't know how high they actually
set the bar for proving such a "contract" existed.
The looks of the woman and the wealth of the guy.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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24 Aug 2006 10:53:29 PM |
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On 24 Aug 2006 17:23:29 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
I recall that in the famous California palimony cases
it was ruled that the "contract" could be written, oral,
or even implied. I don't know how high they actually
set the bar for proving such a "contract" existed.
Marvin Vs Mitchelson. Marvin being actor Lee Marvin.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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25 Aug 2006 08:23:52 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 17:23:29 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
I recall that in the famous California palimony cases
it was ruled that the "contract" could be written, oral,
or even implied. I don't know how high they actually
set the bar for proving such a "contract" existed.
Marvin Vs Mitchelson. Marvin being actor Lee Marvin.
And the Liberace and Hudson cases.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
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25 Aug 2006 10:40:43 AM |
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On 25 Aug 2006 06:23:52 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 17:23:29 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On 24 Aug 2006 09:14:35 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:10:14 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 11:07:15 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
Clever ! A 'domestic partner' is a domestic partner ... NOT
necessarily of the same gender. Try to give gay girfriends
more money/rights/power than hetro couples and there will be
a ton of poop dumped into the proverbial propeller.
This could be a boon for Heterosexual couples. As domestic partners
you can get all the legal and social benefits of marriage and when it
is all over no messy divorce proceedings. Just walk away. Sweet.
I have a feeling palimony will rear its ugly head.
There can be Palamony contracts.
I recall that in the famous California palimony cases
it was ruled that the "contract" could be written, oral,
or even implied. I don't know how high they actually
set the bar for proving such a "contract" existed.
Marvin Vs Mitchelson. Marvin being actor Lee Marvin.
And the Liberace and Hudson cases.
Just so.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
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23 Aug 2006 02:23:35 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
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23 Aug 2006 03:13:12 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
The law has nothing to say about marriage only orientation.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned. Obviously the
lady and he gentleman are heterosexual and to deny them rights
similarly situated homosexuals are granted is discriminatory.
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"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
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23 Aug 2006 03:29:08 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
The law has nothing to say about marriage only orientation.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned. Obviously the
lady and he gentleman are heterosexual and to deny them rights
similarly situated homosexuals are granted is discriminatory.
What rights is the straight woman getting that she would not get if she
were married? Is the gay woman who tries to give her partner health
benifits under the law recieving any more rights than a married couple?
The purpose of domestic partner bills is to give an equal playing field to
gays and lesbians who cannot marry the partner s/he loves. Is this law
somehow not fulfilling this purpose?
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23 Aug 2006 11:56:15 PM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:08 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
The law has nothing to say about marriage only orientation.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned. Obviously the
lady and he gentleman are heterosexual and to deny them rights
similarly situated homosexuals are granted is discriminatory.
What rights is the straight woman getting that she would not get if she
were married? Is the gay woman who tries to give her partner health
benifits under the law recieving any more rights than a married couple?
Do pay attention. Marriage is not the issue here. It's sexual
orientation.
The purpose of domestic partner bills is to give an equal playing field to
gays and lesbians who cannot marry the partner s/he loves. Is this law
somehow not fulfilling this purpose?
It's is serving it's purpose but it also has other legal
ramifications. Tell me. Are opposite sex couples barred by law from
becoming domestic partners?
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"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
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| User: "eldorado" |
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24 Aug 2006 07:32:44 AM |
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:08 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
The law has nothing to say about marriage only orientation.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned. Obviously the
lady and he gentleman are heterosexual and to deny them rights
similarly situated homosexuals are granted is discriminatory.
What rights is the straight woman getting that she would not get if she
were married? Is the gay woman who tries to give her partner health
benifits under the law recieving any more rights than a married couple?
Do pay attention. Marriage is not the issue here. It's sexual
orientation.
You may want to limit the scope of the discussion, but the reason domestic
partner bills came into being is because gays cannot marry. So yes, when
you discuss domestic partnership you are by proxy discussing marriage.
The purpose of domestic partner bills is to give an equal playing field to
gays and lesbians who cannot marry the partner s/he loves. Is this law
somehow not fulfilling this purpose?
It's is serving it's purpose but it also has other legal
ramifications. Tell me. Are opposite sex couples barred by law from
becoming domestic partners?
I don't know how the courts will rule, so are they legally barred? Only
time will tell.
However, my personal feelings are since domestic
partnership bills are designed to bridge a gap of equality between
hetrosexuals who can marry and gays who cannot marry, then no,
hetrosexuals should not be able to find relief under domestic partnership bills. If either
domestic partnerships or marriage has more rights than the other, then we need to find a way to further bridge that
gap - but at least from what you tell me above domestic partnership is
serving it's purpose.
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25 Aug 2006 03:08:36 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:32:44 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
However, my personal feelings are since domestic
partnership bills are designed to bridge a gap of equality between
hetrosexuals who can marry and gays who cannot marry, then no,
hetrosexuals should not be able to find relief under domestic partnership bills.
Palimony?
Swill
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: |
24 Aug 2006 11:06:35 AM |
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:32:44 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:08 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a gay woman CANNOT marry the partner she loves.
The law has nothing to say about marriage only orientation.
Discrimination based on sexual orientation is banned. Obviously the
lady and he gentleman are heterosexual and to deny them rights
similarly situated homosexuals are granted is discriminatory.
What rights is the straight woman getting that she would not get if she
were married? Is the gay woman who tries to give her partner health
benifits under the law recieving any more rights than a married couple?
Do pay attention. Marriage is not the issue here. It's sexual
orientation.
You may want to limit the scope of the discussion, but the reason domestic
partner bills came into being is because gays cannot marry. So yes, when
you discuss domestic partnership you are by proxy discussing marriage.
The purpose of domestic partner bills is to give an equal playing field to
gays and lesbians who cannot marry the partner s/he loves. Is this law
somehow not fulfilling this purpose?
It's is serving it's purpose but it also has other legal
ramifications. Tell me. Are opposite sex couples barred by law from
becoming domestic partners?
I don't know how the courts will rule, so are they legally barred? Only
time will tell.
However, my personal feelings are since domestic
partnership bills are designed to bridge a gap of equality between
hetrosexuals who can marry and gays who cannot marry, then no,
hetrosexuals should not be able to find relief under domestic partnership bills. If either
domestic partnerships or marriage has more rights than the other, then we need to find a way to further bridge that
gap - but at least from what you tell me above domestic partnership is
serving it's purpose.
So just as marriage is a heterosexual thing then domestic partnership
is a gay thing?
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"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| Title: Re: Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: |
24 Aug 2006 12:33:59 PM |
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On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:32:44 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:29:08 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:23:35 -0500, eldorado <eldorado@io.com> wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Captain Compassion wrote:
Straight woman seeks equality under gay-rights law: Unwed Redmond
worker wants her male partner to receive health benefits
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060823-120220-8953r
The difference being a straight woman CAN marry the partner that she
loves, while a | | | | | | | |
