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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
Date: 28 Jun 2007 02:42:16 PM
Object: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!!
No real surprise since in most criminal cases the "defense" attorney is
paid by the same state that pays the prosecuting attorney.
http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world
US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP
Published: Thursday June 28, 2007

So much for US justice: juries get the verdict wrong in one out of six
criminal cases and judges don't do much better, a new study has found.
And when they make those mistakes, both judges and juries are far more
likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go
free, according to an upcoming study out of Northwestern University.
(snip)
The study, which looked at 290 non-capital criminal cases in four major
cities from 2000 to 2001, is the first to examine the accuracy of modern
juries and judges in the United States.
It found that judges were mistaken in their verdicts in 12 percent of
the cases while juries were wrong 17 percent of the time.
More troubling was that juries sent 25 percent of innocent people to
jail while the innocent had a 37 percent chance of being wrongfully
convicted by a judge.
The good news was that the guilty did not have a great chance of getting
off. There was only a 10 percent chance that a jury would let a guilty
person free while the judge wrongfully acquitted a defendant in 13
percent of the cases.
But that could have been because so many of the cases ended in a
conviction: juries convicted 70 percent of the time while the judges
said they would have found the defendant guilty in 82 percent of the cases.
(snip)
.

User: "John"

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 28 Jun 2007 05:05:42 PM
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:saUgi.1782$Od7.1396@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

No real surprise since in most criminal cases the "defense" attorney is
paid by the same state that pays the prosecuting attorney.

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world

US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP
Published: Thursday June 28, 2007
So much for US justice: juries get the verdict wrong in one out of six
criminal cases and judges don't do much better, a new study has found.

And when they make those mistakes, both judges and juries are far more
likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go
free, according to an upcoming study out of Northwestern University.

(snip)

The study, which looked at 290 non-capital criminal cases in four major
cities from 2000 to 2001, is the first to examine the accuracy of modern
juries and judges in the United States.

So what PROOF did they use to say that innocent were convicted? Did the
people doing this study have better evidence that what was presented in
court? What did they base their whole premise of wrongful conviction on?

.
User: "Dr. Zarkov"

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 30 Jun 2007 12:45:25 PM
John wrote:

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote...

....

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world

US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP
Published: Thursday June 28, 2007
So much for US justice: juries get the verdict wrong in one out of six
criminal cases and judges don't do much better, a new study has found.

And when they make those mistakes, both judges and juries are far more
likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go
free, according to an upcoming study out of Northwestern University.

(snip)

The study, which looked at 290 non-capital criminal cases in four major
cities from 2000 to 2001, is the first to examine the accuracy of modern
juries and judges in the United States.



So what PROOF did they use to say that innocent were convicted? Did the
people doing this study have better evidence that what was presented in
court? What did they base their whole premise of wrongful conviction on?

See:
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2007/06/juries.html
<begin quote>
To conduct the study, Spencer employed a replication analysis of jury
verdicts, comparing decisions of actual jurors with decisions of judges
who were hearing the cases they were deciding. In other words, as a jury
was deliberating about a particular verdict, its judge filled out a
questionnaire giving what he or she believed to be the correct verdict.
“Consider the analogy to sample surveys, where sampling error is
estimated even though the true value may never be known,” Spencer said.
“The key is replication. To assess the accuracy of jury verdicts, we
need a second opinion of what the verdict should be.”
By comparing agreement rates of judges and juries over time and across
jurisdictions, and even across types of cases, Spencer's statistical
analysis could give insights into the comparative accuracy of verdicts
in different sets of cases.
....
The agreement rate was 77 percent in the NCSC study and 80 percent for
the earlier study. Allowing for chance agreement, the agreement rates
were not high....A key assumption of Spencer's study is that, on
average, the judge's verdict is at least as likely to be correct as the
jury's verdict.
Without assumptions, a 77 percent agreement rate could reflect 100
percent accuracy by the judge and 77 percent accuracy by the jury, or
100 percent accuracy by the jury and 77 percent accuracy by the judge,
or 88 percent accuracy by both, or even 50 percent accuracy by both if
they often agreed on the incorrect verdict.
<end quote>
Studies in which guilt or innocence could be definitively determined by
DNA evidence or some other definitive means found similarly high rates
of conviction of innocent persons. (See _Actual Innocence_ Dwyer,
Scheck, Neufeld, New York: Doubleday, 2000, for example)
We have a legal system that routinely--or at least very often--acquits
the guilty and convicts the innocent. For accounts of the many people
unjustly convicted of child molestation, see _No Crueler Tyrannies:
Accusation, False Witness, and Other Terrors of Our Times_
by Dorothy Rabinowitz, Wall Street Journal book, Free Press, NY, NY, 2003
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 01 Jul 2007 05:18:59 PM
On Jun 30, 1:45 pm, "Dr. Zarkov" <M...@Mongo.com> wrote:

John wrote:

"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote...

...

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world


US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP
Published: Thursday June 28, 2007
So much for US justice: juries get the verdict wrong in one out of six
criminal cases and judges don't do much better, a new study has found.


And when they make those mistakes, both judges and juries are far more
likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go
free, according to an upcoming study out of Northwestern University.


(snip)


The study, which looked at 290 non-capital criminal cases in four major
cities from 2000 to 2001, is the first to examine the accuracy of modern
juries and judges in the United States.


So what PROOF did they use to say that innocent were convicted? Did the
people doing this study have better evidence that what was presented in
court? What did they base their whole premise of wrongful conviction on?


See:http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2007/06/juries.html
<begin quote>
To conduct the study, Spencer employed a replication analysis of jury
verdicts, comparing decisions of actual jurors with decisions of judges
who were hearing the cases they were deciding. In other words, as a jury
was deliberating about a particular verdict, its judge filled out a
questionnaire giving what he or she believed to be the correct verdict.
"Consider the analogy to sample surveys, where sampling error is
estimated even though the true value may never be known," Spencer said.
"The key is replication. To assess the accuracy of jury verdicts, we
need a second opinion of what the verdict should be."
By comparing agreement rates of judges and juries over time and across
jurisdictions, and even across types of cases, Spencer's statistical
analysis could give insights into the comparative accuracy of verdicts
in different sets of cases.
...
The agreement rate was 77 percent in the NCSC study and 80 percent for
the earlier study. Allowing for chance agreement, the agreement rates
were not high....A key assumption of Spencer's study is that, on
average, the judge's verdict is at least as likely to be correct as the
jury's verdict.
Without assumptions, a 77 percent agreement rate could reflect 100
percent accuracy by the judge and 77 percent accuracy by the jury, or
100 percent accuracy by the jury and 77 percent accuracy by the judge,
or 88 percent accuracy by both, or even 50 percent accuracy by both if
they often agreed on the incorrect verdict.
<end quote>

Studies in which guilt or innocence could be definitively determined by
DNA evidence or some other definitive means found similarly high rates
of conviction of innocent persons. (See _Actual Innocence_ Dwyer,
Scheck, Neufeld, New York: Doubleday, 2000, for example)

We have a legal system that routinely--or at least very often--acquits
the guilty and convicts the innocent. For accounts of the many people
unjustly convicted of child molestation, see _No Crueler Tyrannies:
Accusation, False Witness, and Other Terrors of Our Times_
by Dorothy Rabinowitz, Wall Street Journal book, Free Press, NY, NY, 2003- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's about time that people know about the evil system.
This study is a good first step. I was falsely arrested and convicted
and there are a lot of innocent people in jail. There are no research
and stuff into things like this. The police and DA's office are
incompetent evil people that lies and falsify reports to cover up
their mistakes. They do everything in their power to put innocent
people behind jail. Otherwise, god forbid, they would have made
mistakes, they might even have been wrong. Better that someone go to
jail than anyone of them of the "system" gets the blame.
Police and people from the DA's office have personally told me that
"they ARE the LAW and they can do whatever the hell they want." The
police even tell me that are writing that they personally witnessed me
committing a crime I didn't do. All I did was said I wanted a lawyer
and then they frame me and wrote that I resisted arrest, was on drugs
and assaulted a police officer. They are evil evil people. Police and
judges lie all the time.
Juries do not know how corrupt the police and the judges can be and
how most things they are told are lies. It is not the jurors' fault.
And this was in San Francisco. It gets worse else where.
.



User: "Bombastic Bushkin"

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 28 Jun 2007 05:06:01 PM
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:saUgi.1782$Od7.1396@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...

No real surprise since in most criminal cases the "defense" attorney is
paid by the same state that pays the prosecuting attorney.

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world

US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP
Published: Thursday June 28, 2007
So much for US justice: juries get the verdict wrong in one out of six
criminal cases and judges don't do much better, a new study has found.

And when they make those mistakes, both judges and juries are far more
likely to send an innocent person to jail than to let a guilty person go
free, according to an upcoming study out of Northwestern University.

(snip)

The study, which looked at 290 non-capital criminal cases in four major
cities from 2000 to 2001, is the first to examine the accuracy of modern
juries and judges in the United States.

It found that judges were mistaken in their verdicts in 12 percent of the
cases while juries were wrong 17 percent of the time.

More troubling was that juries sent 25 percent of innocent people to jail
while the innocent had a 37 percent chance of being wrongfully convicted
by a judge.

The good news was that the guilty did not have a great chance of getting
off. There was only a 10 percent chance that a jury would let a guilty
person free while the judge wrongfully acquitted a defendant in 13 percent
of the cases.

But that could have been because so many of the cases ended in a
conviction: juries convicted 70 percent of the time while the judges said
they would have found the defendant guilty in 82 percent of the cases.

(snip)

Who is judgiing whether the juries were right or wrong? I have served on
three juries and in the two cases that were completed the juries found
insufficient evidence to convict. We erred on the side of reasonable
doubt. The third case was not completed because of a plea bargain.
BB
.
User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 28 Jun 2007 11:31:57 PM
Bombastic Bushkin wrote:

Who is judgiing whether the juries were right or wrong? I have served on
three juries and in the two cases that were completed the juries found
insufficient evidence to convict.

I doubt that. Most americans are sadistic psychopaths who convict even
when they know the accused is innocent.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: Study shows juries get verdict wrong in 1 OUR OF 6 CASES!!! 28 Jun 2007 03:43:41 PM
On Jun 28, 3:42 pm, Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

No real surprise since in most criminal cases the "defense" attorney is
paid by the same state that pays the prosecuting attorney.

http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/06/28/1965094.htm?section=world

US juries get verdict wrong in one of six cases: study
AFP

THat's WAY better than Judge Judy. THe moral of the story is, stay out
of court.
Rick Hohensee
.


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