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"Joe Blowtowski" |
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19 Aug 2004 06:27:51 PM |
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD |
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
Go to
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=The+Winter+Soldiers
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========== The Winter Soldier Investigation ==========
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Table of Contents
Need for Investigation.
Remarks by the Hon. Mark O. Hatfield of Oregon
In the Senate of the United States, Monday, April 5, 1971.
Opening Statement of William Crandell
1st Marine Division
!st Air Cavalry Division
Weapons Panel
3d Marine Division
Racism Panel
"What Are We Doing To Ourselves?"
Prisoners of War Panel
Miscellaneous Panel
Third World Panel
"What Are We Doing to Vietnam?"
25th Infantry Division and Public Information Office
82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and 173rd Airborne Brigade
1st, 4th, and 9th Infantry Divisions
Americal Division
Medical Panel
Closing Statement of Don Duncan
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
CAMILE.
My name is Scott Camile. I was a Sgt. attached to Charley 1/1. I was a
forward observer in Vietnam. I went in right after high school and I'm
a student now. My testimony involves burning of villages with
civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads,
torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games,
corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women
being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on
people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people
holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing
people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_03_1Marine.html
NOTE: SCOTT CAMILE works for the Kerry campaign Today
MODERATOR.
All right. Mr. Camile, you were in Artillery, FO. You were attached to
the 1st Battalion, 12th Marines.
CAMILE. I was in the 1st Battalion, 11th Marines, attached to the 1st
Battalion, 1st Marines.
MODERATOR. You have some testimony here on the burning of villages,
cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, calling in artillery on
villages for games, women raped, napalm on villages, all sorts of
testimony of crimes against the civilians. Could you go into just a
few of these to let the people know how you treat the Vietnamese
civilian?
CAMILE. All right. The calling in of artillery for games, the way it
was worked would be the mortar forward observers would pick out
certain houses in villages, friendly villages, and the mortar forward
observers would call in mortars until they destroyed that house and
then the artillery forward observer would call in artillery until he
destroyed another house and whoever used the least amount of
artillery, they won. And when we got back someone would have to buy
someone else beers. The cutting off of heads--on Operation
Stone--there was a Lt. Colonel there and two people had their heads
cut off and put on stakes and stuck in the middle of the field. And we
were notified that there was press covering the operation and that we
couldn't do that anymore. Before we went out on the operation we were
told not to waste our heat tablets on food but to save them for the
villages because we were going to destroy all the villages and we
didn't give the people any time to get out of the villages. We just
went in and burned them and if people were in the villages yelling and
screaming, we didn't help them. We just burned the houses as we went.
MODERATOR. Why did you use the heat tabs? Did you just light off the
villages with matches or just throw the heat tabs in so it would keep
burning?
CAMILE. We'd throw the heat tabs in because it was quicker and they'd
keep burning. They couldn't put the heat tabs out. We'd throw them on
top of the houses. People cut off ears and when they'd come back in
off of an operation you'd make deals before you'd go out and like for
every ear you cut off someone would buy you two beers, so people cut
off ears. The torturing of prisoners was done with beatings and I saw
one case where there were two prisoners. One prisoner was staked out
on the ground and he was cut open while he was alive and part of his
insides were cut out and they told the other prisoner if he didn't
tell them what they wanted to know they would kill him. And I don't
know what he said because he spoke in Vietnamese but then they killed
him after that anyway.
MODERATOR. Were these primarily civilians or do you believe that they
were, or do you know that they were actual NVA?
CAMILE. The way that we distinguished between civilians and VC, VC had
weapons and civilians didn't and anybody that was dead was considered
a VC. If you killed someone they said, "How do you know he's a VC?"
and the general reply would be, "He's dead," and that was sufficient.
When we went through the villages and searched people the women would
have all their clothes taken off and the men would use their penises
to probe them to make sure they didn't have anything hidden anywhere
and this was raping but it was done as searching.
MODERATOR. As searching. Were there officers present there?
CAMILE. Yes, there were.
MODERATOR. Was this on a company level?
CAMILE. Company level.
MODERATOR. The company commander was around when this happened?
CAMILE. Right.
MODERATOR. Did he approve of it or did he look the other way or...
CAMILE. He never said not to or never said anything about it. The main
thing was that if an operation was covered by the press there were
certain things we weren't supposed to do, but if there was no press
there, it was okay. I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper,
one of our snipers. When we got up to her she was asking for water.
And the Lt. said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes, they
stabbed her in both breasts, they spread-eagled her and shoved an E-
tool up her vagina, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for
water. And then they took that out and they used a tree limb and then
she was shot.
MODERATOR. Did the men in your outfit, or when you witnessed these
things, did they seem to think that it was all right to do anything to
the Vietnamese?
CAMILE. It wasn't like they were humans. We were conditioned to
believe that this was for the good of the nation, the good of our
country, and anything we did was okay. And when you shot someone you
didn't think you were shooting at a human. They were a gook or a
Commie and it was okay. And anything you did to them was okay because,
like, they would tell you they'd do it to you if they had the chance.
MODERATOR. This was told you all through your training, then, in boot
camp, in advanced training, and so forth and it was followed on then,
right on through it?
CAMILE. Definitely.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_04_1Marine.html
================================================
NOTE: THAT WAS JOHN KERRY'S FREIND 'SCOTT CAMILE'
SAYING THOSE THINGS.
He works for the Kerry campaign Today.
Please get a copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
================================================
Here's some other gems from John Kerry's Movie:
That was my first day in Vietnam. As far as the crucified bodies, they
weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or
something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human
beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out
on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would
take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to
make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the
village.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut,
from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts
and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw
them out. Then, he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every
bit of skin off her body and left her there
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
I went to Boot Camp at Paris Island and we had a lot of brothers from
Philly there and the common term used in discussing the brothers
amongst the DIs, the drill instructors, was they were "niggers."
"Come here *****, do this *****." I think this had a carry-over
effect throughout the entire training. It always seemed to be that the
brothers were always looked down upon.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
They tied their hands to the ground, they spread-eagled them; they
raped all four. There was like maybe ten or twenty ROK Marines
involved. They tortured them, they sliced off their breasts, they used
machetes and cut off parts of their fingers and things like this. When
that was over, they took pop-up flares (which are aluminum canisters
you hit with your hand; it'll shoot maybe 100-200 feet in the
air)--they stuck them up their vaginas--all four of them--and they
blew the top of their heads off.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
CAMILE
we threw them on trucks and took them to the middle of the village. We
dumped them out in the middle of the village. We dumped them out in
the middle and left them there like that. We don't treat any bodies
like they were human bodies. It was just like throwing out garbage.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
Show this to every Democrat you know.
Get a copy of Kerry's Movie the Winter Soldiers, and show it to
every Democrat you know. Please get a copy of Kerry's BOOK
The New Soldiers, and show it to every Democrat you know.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHO this Kerry guy is.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy did.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy stands for.
Lt. John Kerry is NOT a Democrat
He is an EXTREMIST LIBERAL
who believes that is OK to perform
LATE TERM ABORTIONS even after
they were OUTLAWED.
Lt. John Kerry is a Liar, a War Criminal,
and a EXTREMIST LIBERAL...
Are you?
What would your Parents think if they knew you
were Voting for the man
who called your GrandPa a Rapist and a Murder
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20 Aug 2004 01:29:39 PM |
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"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rdai01t6bj2dsrre1s9mctcu9f9dcp4iu@4ax.com...
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
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20 Aug 2004 07:04:11 PM |
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"hol99" <noone@youknow.com> wrote in message news:<AmrVc.74383$Oi.747@fed1read04>...
"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rdai01t6bj2dsrre1s9mctcu9f9dcp4iu@4ax.com...
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
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22 Aug 2004 04:48:32 PM |
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"The_Real_Truth" <therealtruth2004@aol.com> wrote in message
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"hol99" <noone@youknow.com> wrote in message
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
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23 Aug 2004 04:50:54 AM |
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hol99 <noone@youknow.com> wrote in article
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"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rdai01t6bj2dsrre1s9mctcu9f9dcp4iu@4ax.com...
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
.....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent second
world war either...
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23 Aug 2004 08:39:59 AM |
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent second
world war either...
Your patriotism is duly noted! Now go to Hanoi and kiss their feet!
jt
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23 Aug 2004 05:39:16 AM |
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"PEACE MONGER" <WHEREISAMERICA@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent second
world war either...
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
And as far as we know, Kerry's never spent one day in the hospital. He
doesn't draw any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability - and
boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who
REALLY got shot up in Vietnam?
John Forbes Kerry is a fraud!
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23 Aug 2004 06:34:41 AM |
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Subject: Re: SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
From: "John Kerry, Horse's *****"
Date: 8/23/2004 6:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <oPjWc.31197$9Y6.2650@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
Have you read about Bob "I cannot get it up " dole first purple heart. Dole
apparently did not bleed and he accepted his medal. Now that ***** is
putting up a good fight so the whores in the RNC will still like him and help
that ***** who he was sleeping when when he was still married. You know liz
the freshman senator from NC.
Some family value guy.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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23 Aug 2004 07:09:38 AM |
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Subject: Re: SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
From: "John Kerry, Horse's *****"
Date: 8/23/2004 6:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <oPjWc.31197$9Y6.2650@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
Have you read about Bob "I cannot get it up " dole first purple heart.
Dole
Sorry bub, this thread is about the Swiftboat veterans and their ad pointing
out what a complete fraud John Kerry is. This thread is NOT about Bob
Dole. In fact, Bob Dole isn't even running for President.
Go start your own thread about Bob Dole if you want to.
John Kerry is a fraud, and the Swiftboat vets are exposing that fraud.
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23 Aug 2004 05:51:52 AM |
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John Kerry, Horse's ***** wrote:
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent second
world war either...
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
And as far as we know, Kerry's never spent one day in the hospital. He
doesn't draw any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability - and
boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who
REALLY got shot up in Vietnam?
John Forbes Kerry is a fraud!
How can you get shrapnel stuck in your leg and not bleed?
peace
brian
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John Kerry, Horse's ***** wrote:
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin
doctors.
Dave
....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at
home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the
Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent
second
world war either...
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
And as far as we know, Kerry's never spent one day in the hospital. He
doesn't draw any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability - and
boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people
who
REALLY got shot up in Vietnam?
John Forbes Kerry is a fraud!
How can you get shrapnel stuck in your leg and not bleed?
Put it there very carefully!
jt
peace
brian
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John Kerry, Horse's ***** wrote:
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"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused
your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent
people
while they begged for their lives..
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
Yes he did:
"they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires
from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power,
cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs
for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side
of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the
normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied
bombing power of this country." - John Kerry US Senate 1971.
I love how you post half a quote to make your case. I really don't care
who
anyone votes for, but I'm really getting sick of liars and spin doctors.
Dave
....At least something truthful was put here, even if it is a partial
quote...
Kerry had courage in two ways, he fought the war over sea's and at home...
Lot's of Vietnam veterans were disgusted with their country mens
behavior...
At My Lai, a gunship officer ordered his men to "fire upon the Americans",
if they tried to intervene
while he and his men attempted to rescue Vietnamese civilians from being
raped and murdered...
what a country the USA is...fucking disgraceful...Vietnam was an echo of
Hitler...it was a way of saying
America lost not only Vietnam, but never really did win the silent second
world war either...
Three Purple Hearts and Kerry never bled, that we know of. They're all
superficial wounds!
Some "war hero"!
And as far as we know, Kerry's never spent one day in the hospital. He
doesn't draw any disability pay. He doesn't have any disability - and
boasting about three Purple Hearts, when you think of some of the people who
REALLY got shot up in Vietnam?
John Forbes Kerry is a fraud!
Wonder how many other vets, not from just Nam, but WWII, and Korea that
received three purple hearts and did not receive at least one serious
wound or wind up without a single scar, or never had to have serious
medical attention? Bet the odds are pretty great, unless like Kerry, it
was all planned and self inflictied.
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20 Aug 2004 03:38:02 PM |
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:29:39 -0700, "hol99" <noone@youknow.com> wrote:
Never accused anyone's relatives os anything. Nice spin, though.
Dave
***** Dave
Kerry said
that we were all War Criminals
at all levels of Command
and his Phony Winter Soldiers (that were discredited many years ago)
claimed that the Command just watched and laughed while we Raped
women with Tree Branches, that they were taught to RAPE in Boot camp
That is what Kerry is going to pay for..
The Winter Soldiers are Next. Like it or not you are gonna see
'The Winter Soldiers' on TV, and when that happens, Kerry might
as well move to France and run for Dogcatcher
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19 Aug 2004 07:24:37 PM |
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"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rdai01t6bj2dsrre1s9mctcu9f9dcp4iu@4ax.com...
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet. NOBODY
but idiots like you will believe them now. The main guy who said Kerry was
lying was found to have said they were taking fire. Boy what made him change
his story? I wonder if he didn't get some of that republican money into his
bank account. Blowtowski, you continue to look more and more like a fool
over this issue. You see, Kerry isn't Dukakis, he is fighting back and he's
fighting back hard. Every time your lying buddies come out with crap, Kerry
shoots it full of holes with expert marksmanship!
It's no wonder Bush is taking antidepressants!
John
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20 Aug 2004 04:56:47 AM |
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"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet.
NOBODY
but idiots like you will believe them now. The main guy who said Kerry was
lying was found to have said they were taking fire. Boy what made him
change
his story? I wonder if he didn't get some of that republican money into
his
bank account. Blowtowski, you continue to look more and more like a fool
over this issue. You see, Kerry isn't Dukakis, he is fighting back and
he's
fighting back hard.
Actually, Kerry's looking more and more like a colossal leftist *****....
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20 Aug 2004 11:06:52 AM |
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someone wrote in message
news:8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet.
NOBODY but idiots like you will believe them now.....
I don't see it as a waste of money. George Soros, a Socialist, is
backing most of the Liberalistic organisations.
I'm not an Idiot. I'm a Democrat. I'm a Vereran. And I was accused
of being a Baby Killer, a Rapist, and a Murderer by Lt. John Forbes
Kerry.
I'm not Voting for Bush, I'm voting against Lt. Kerry
who is a known liar, he has admitted that he lied about Vietnam,
but still refuses to appoligize
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20 Aug 2004 04:15:49 PM |
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"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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someone wrote in message
news:8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet.
NOBODY but idiots like you will believe them now.....
I don't see it as a waste of money. George Soros, a Socialist, is
backing most of the Liberalistic organisations.
I'm not an Idiot. I'm a Democrat. I'm a Vereran. And I was accused
of being a Baby Killer, a Rapist, and a Murderer by Lt. John Forbes
Kerry.
All claims in the previous paragraph are false.
I'm not Voting for Bush, I'm voting against Lt. Kerry
who is a known liar, he has admitted that he lied about Vietnam,
but still refuses to appoligize
You're so full of *****...
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20 Aug 2004 09:56:15 AM |
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"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
(snip)
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet. NOBODY
but idiots like you will believe them now. The main guy who said Kerry was
lying was found to have said they were taking fire. Boy what made him change
his story? I wonder if he didn't get some of that republican money into his
bank account. Blowtowski, you continue to look more and more like a fool
over this issue. You see, Kerry isn't Dukakis, he is fighting back and he's
fighting back hard. Every time your lying buddies come out with crap, Kerry
shoots it full of holes with expert marksmanship!
It's no wonder Bush is taking antidepressants!
John
John, I also donated a huge chunk of dough to the Swift Boat Veterans.
Best money I ever spent, and I many write them another check.
You see, John, we Republicans don't own Hollywood like your crowd and
don't have treasonous scoundrels like Moore making "free" two hour
campaign ads for the democrats and showing them in every movie theater
in the country. Has Kerry ever denounced Moore, that great American
patriot and fair-minded movie producer? Maybe Bush and Kerry can cut a
deal?
We also don't have the major news networks, CNN, NPR and the major big
city newspapers, either. You see, if we did, John, this story wouldn't
now be ignored the way it is by the liberal press. Thank God for FOX
and the Internet, because your gang can now longer deep six these
damaging stories as they've always done in the past.
Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII
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"Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII" <gretchen@linkedto.nulluser.com> wrote in
message news:33416427.0408200656.48033b2f@posting.google.com...
"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:<8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
(snip)
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet.
NOBODY
but idiots like you will believe them now. The main guy who said Kerry
was
lying was found to have said they were taking fire. Boy what made him
change
his story? I wonder if he didn't get some of that republican money into
his
bank account. Blowtowski, you continue to look more and more like a fool
over this issue. You see, Kerry isn't Dukakis, he is fighting back and
he's
fighting back hard. Every time your lying buddies come out with crap,
Kerry
shoots it full of holes with expert marksmanship!
It's no wonder Bush is taking antidepressants!
John
John, I also donated a huge chunk of dough to the Swift Boat Veterans.
Best money I ever spent, and I many write them another check.
You see, John, we Republicans don't own Hollywood like your crowd and
don't have treasonous scoundrels like Moore making "free" two hour
campaign ads for the democrats and showing them in every movie theater
in the country. Has Kerry ever denounced Moore, that great American
patriot and fair-minded movie producer? Maybe Bush and Kerry can cut a
deal?
We also don't have the major news networks, CNN, NPR and the major big
city newspapers, either. You see, if we did, John, this story wouldn't
now be ignored the way it is by the liberal press. Thank God for FOX
and the Internet, because your gang can now longer deep six these
damaging stories as they've always done in the past.
Gretchen G. Grinchehoeffer XXIII
Absolutely, Gretchen, For decades I wished to get my own thoughts and
knowledge out to the
people of the US. Finally talk radio and FoxNews channel did that for me.
Had I had Rush's
microphone in the sixties I would have been his mentor. He says what I
would say if I had the chance. I grimaced at lie after lie after lie after
lie told by the liberal media that was unchallenged
until the late eighties.
jt
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20 Aug 2004 07:01:17 PM |
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"John Slade" <hitman86@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<8xbVc.4848$QJ3.4690@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>...
"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9rdai01t6bj2dsrre1s9mctcu9f9dcp4iu@4ax.com...
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
That's it Joe Blowtowski, throw all that money down the toilet. NOBODY
but idiots like you will believe them now. The main guy who said Kerry was
lying was found to have said they were taking fire. Boy what made him change
his story? I wonder if he didn't get some of that republican money into his
bank account. Blowtowski, you continue to look more and more like a fool
over this issue. You see, Kerry isn't Dukakis, he is fighting back and he's
fighting back hard. Every time your lying buddies come out with crap, Kerry
shoots it full of holes with expert marksmanship!
It's no wonder Bush is taking antidepressants!
John
That is a lie- he never said any such thing. In fact, the citation
that claims this was written up by Kerry himself. Thurlow didn't even
put in for a medal. So, Kerry makes up a lie and puts everyone in for
a medal. Kerry knew it was a lie.
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20 Aug 2004 10:05:14 PM |
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The_Real_Truth wrote:
That is a lie- he never said any such thing. In fact, the citation
that claims this was written up by Kerry himself. Thurlow didn't even
put in for a medal. So, Kerry makes up a lie and puts everyone in for
a medal. Kerry knew it was a lie.
Yep, the information for Thurlow's citation was taken from Kerry's
report where Kerry frabicated information about being under enemy fire.
Thurlow didn't even know he had been put in for the medal until three
months after he was out of the Navy.
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23 Aug 2004 10:47:59 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:27:51 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
And President Bush said Americans should die.
Did you know that?
But Colonel David Hackworth said that there were hundreds of My Lais
in Viet Nam.
The Toledo Blade series - did you read that?
No.
It wan the Pulitzer prize. They have exceptional amaounts of
documented proof for their story.
It depicts a group in VIet Nam gone wild with stuff like this, running
rampant for a very long time.
You think they are not telling the truth?
Why would Hackworth lie?
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
Go to
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=The+Winter+Soldiers
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========== The Winter Soldier Investigation ==========
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Table of Contents
Need for Investigation.
Remarks by the Hon. Mark O. Hatfield of Oregon
In the Senate of the United States, Monday, April 5, 1971.
Opening Statement of William Crandell
1st Marine Division
!st Air Cavalry Division
Weapons Panel
3d Marine Division
Racism Panel
"What Are We Doing To Ourselves?"
Prisoners of War Panel
Miscellaneous Panel
Third World Panel
"What Are We Doing to Vietnam?"
25th Infantry Division and Public Information Office
82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and 173rd Airborne Brigade
1st, 4th, and 9th Infantry Divisions
Americal Division
Medical Panel
Closing Statement of Don Duncan
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
CAMILE.
My name is Scott Camile. I was a Sgt. attached to Charley 1/1. I was a
forward observer in Vietnam. I went in right after high school and I'm
a student now. My testimony involves burning of villages with
civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads,
torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games,
corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women
being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on
people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people
holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing
people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_03_1Marine.html
NOTE: SCOTT CAMILE works for the Kerry campaign Today
MODERATOR.
All right. Mr. Camile, you were in Artillery, FO. You were attached to
the 1st Battalion, 12th Marines.
CAMILE. I was in the 1st Battalion, 11th Marines, attached to the 1st
Battalion, 1st Marines.
MODERATOR. You have some testimony here on the burning of villages,
cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, calling in artillery on
villages for games, women raped, napalm on villages, all sorts of
testimony of crimes against the civilians. Could you go into just a
few of these to let the people know how you treat the Vietnamese
civilian?
CAMILE. All right. The calling in of artillery for games, the way it
was worked would be the mortar forward observers would pick out
certain houses in villages, friendly villages, and the mortar forward
observers would call in mortars until they destroyed that house and
then the artillery forward observer would call in artillery until he
destroyed another house and whoever used the least amount of
artillery, they won. And when we got back someone would have to buy
someone else beers. The cutting off of heads--on Operation
Stone--there was a Lt. Colonel there and two people had their heads
cut off and put on stakes and stuck in the middle of the field. And we
were notified that there was press covering the operation and that we
couldn't do that anymore. Before we went out on the operation we were
told not to waste our heat tablets on food but to save them for the
villages because we were going to destroy all the villages and we
didn't give the people any time to get out of the villages. We just
went in and burned them and if people were in the villages yelling and
screaming, we didn't help them. We just burned the houses as we went.
MODERATOR. Why did you use the heat tabs? Did you just light off the
villages with matches or just throw the heat tabs in so it would keep
burning?
CAMILE. We'd throw the heat tabs in because it was quicker and they'd
keep burning. They couldn't put the heat tabs out. We'd throw them on
top of the houses. People cut off ears and when they'd come back in
off of an operation you'd make deals before you'd go out and like for
every ear you cut off someone would buy you two beers, so people cut
off ears. The torturing of prisoners was done with beatings and I saw
one case where there were two prisoners. One prisoner was staked out
on the ground and he was cut open while he was alive and part of his
insides were cut out and they told the other prisoner if he didn't
tell them what they wanted to know they would kill him. And I don't
know what he said because he spoke in Vietnamese but then they killed
him after that anyway.
MODERATOR. Were these primarily civilians or do you believe that they
were, or do you know that they were actual NVA?
CAMILE. The way that we distinguished between civilians and VC, VC had
weapons and civilians didn't and anybody that was dead was considered
a VC. If you killed someone they said, "How do you know he's a VC?"
and the general reply would be, "He's dead," and that was sufficient.
When we went through the villages and searched people the women would
have all their clothes taken off and the men would use their penises
to probe them to make sure they didn't have anything hidden anywhere
and this was raping but it was done as searching.
MODERATOR. As searching. Were there officers present there?
CAMILE. Yes, there were.
MODERATOR. Was this on a company level?
CAMILE. Company level.
MODERATOR. The company commander was around when this happened?
CAMILE. Right.
MODERATOR. Did he approve of it or did he look the other way or...
CAMILE. He never said not to or never said anything about it. The main
thing was that if an operation was covered by the press there were
certain things we weren't supposed to do, but if there was no press
there, it was okay. I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper,
one of our snipers. When we got up to her she was asking for water.
And the Lt. said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes, they
stabbed her in both breasts, they spread-eagled her and shoved an E-
tool up her vagina, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for
water. And then they took that out and they used a tree limb and then
she was shot.
MODERATOR. Did the men in your outfit, or when you witnessed these
things, did they seem to think that it was all right to do anything to
the Vietnamese?
CAMILE. It wasn't like they were humans. We were conditioned to
believe that this was for the good of the nation, the good of our
country, and anything we did was okay. And when you shot someone you
didn't think you were shooting at a human. They were a gook or a
Commie and it was okay. And anything you did to them was okay because,
like, they would tell you they'd do it to you if they had the chance.
MODERATOR. This was told you all through your training, then, in boot
camp, in advanced training, and so forth and it was followed on then,
right on through it?
CAMILE. Definitely.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_04_1Marine.html
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NOTE: THAT WAS JOHN KERRY'S FREIND 'SCOTT CAMILE'
SAYING THOSE THINGS.
He works for the Kerry campaign Today.
Please get a copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
================================================
Here's some other gems from John Kerry's Movie:
That was my first day in Vietnam. As far as the crucified bodies, they
weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or
something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human
beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out
on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would
take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to
make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the
village.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut,
from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts
and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw
them out. Then, he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every
bit of skin off her body and left her there
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
I went to Boot Camp at Paris Island and we had a lot of brothers from
Philly there and the common term used in discussing the brothers
amongst the DIs, the drill instructors, was they were "niggers."
"Come here *****, do this *****." I think this had a carry-over
effect throughout the entire training. It always seemed to be that the
brothers were always looked down upon.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
They tied their hands to the ground, they spread-eagled them; they
raped all four. There was like maybe ten or twenty ROK Marines
involved. They tortured them, they sliced off their breasts, they used
machetes and cut off parts of their fingers and things like this. When
that was over, they took pop-up flares (which are aluminum canisters
you hit with your hand; it'll shoot maybe 100-200 feet in the
air)--they stuck them up their vaginas--all four of them--and they
blew the top of their heads off.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
CAMILE
we threw them on trucks and took them to the middle of the village. We
dumped them out in the middle of the village. We dumped them out in
the middle and left them there like that. We don't treat any bodies
like they were human bodies. It was just like throwing out garbage.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
Show this to every Democrat you know.
Get a copy of Kerry's Movie the Winter Soldiers, and show it to
every Democrat you know. Please get a copy of Kerry's BOOK
The New Soldiers, and show it to every Democrat you know.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHO this Kerry guy is.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy did.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy stands for.
Lt. John Kerry is NOT a Democrat
He is an EXTREMIST LIBERAL
who believes that is OK to perform
LATE TERM ABORTIONS even after
they were OUTLAWED.
Lt. John Kerry is a Liar, a War Criminal,
and a EXTREMIST LIBERAL...
Are you?
What would your Parents think if they knew you
were Voting for the man
who called your GrandPa a Rapist and a Murder
.
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| Title: Re: SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD |
23 Aug 2004 10:44:27 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:27:51 -0700, Joe Blowtowski
<Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote:
SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
George Bush says "Terrorists say Americans should die"
I run an ad of Bush saying
"Americans should die"
IS that honest?
Yes or no?
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
Go to
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=The+Winter+Soldiers
============================================
========== The Winter Soldier Investigation ==========
============================================
Table of Contents
Need for Investigation.
Remarks by the Hon. Mark O. Hatfield of Oregon
In the Senate of the United States, Monday, April 5, 1971.
Opening Statement of William Crandell
1st Marine Division
!st Air Cavalry Division
Weapons Panel
3d Marine Division
Racism Panel
"What Are We Doing To Ourselves?"
Prisoners of War Panel
Miscellaneous Panel
Third World Panel
"What Are We Doing to Vietnam?"
25th Infantry Division and Public Information Office
82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and 173rd Airborne Brigade
1st, 4th, and 9th Infantry Divisions
Americal Division
Medical Panel
Closing Statement of Don Duncan
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
CAMILE.
My name is Scott Camile. I was a Sgt. attached to Charley 1/1. I was a
forward observer in Vietnam. I went in right after high school and I'm
a student now. My testimony involves burning of villages with
civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads,
torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games,
corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women
being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on
people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people
holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing
people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_03_1Marine.html
NOTE: SCOTT CAMILE works for the Kerry campaign Today
MODERATOR.
All right. Mr. Camile, you were in Artillery, FO. You were attached to
the 1st Battalion, 12th Marines.
CAMILE. I was in the 1st Battalion, 11th Marines, attached to the 1st
Battalion, 1st Marines.
MODERATOR. You have some testimony here on the burning of villages,
cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, calling in artillery on
villages for games, women raped, napalm on villages, all sorts of
testimony of crimes against the civilians. Could you go into just a
few of these to let the people know how you treat the Vietnamese
civilian?
CAMILE. All right. The calling in of artillery for games, the way it
was worked would be the mortar forward observers would pick out
certain houses in villages, friendly villages, and the mortar forward
observers would call in mortars until they destroyed that house and
then the artillery forward observer would call in artillery until he
destroyed another house and whoever used the least amount of
artillery, they won. And when we got back someone would have to buy
someone else beers. The cutting off of heads--on Operation
Stone--there was a Lt. Colonel there and two people had their heads
cut off and put on stakes and stuck in the middle of the field. And we
were notified that there was press covering the operation and that we
couldn't do that anymore. Before we went out on the operation we were
told not to waste our heat tablets on food but to save them for the
villages because we were going to destroy all the villages and we
didn't give the people any time to get out of the villages. We just
went in and burned them and if people were in the villages yelling and
screaming, we didn't help them. We just burned the houses as we went.
MODERATOR. Why did you use the heat tabs? Did you just light off the
villages with matches or just throw the heat tabs in so it would keep
burning?
CAMILE. We'd throw the heat tabs in because it was quicker and they'd
keep burning. They couldn't put the heat tabs out. We'd throw them on
top of the houses. People cut off ears and when they'd come back in
off of an operation you'd make deals before you'd go out and like for
every ear you cut off someone would buy you two beers, so people cut
off ears. The torturing of prisoners was done with beatings and I saw
one case where there were two prisoners. One prisoner was staked out
on the ground and he was cut open while he was alive and part of his
insides were cut out and they told the other prisoner if he didn't
tell them what they wanted to know they would kill him. And I don't
know what he said because he spoke in Vietnamese but then they killed
him after that anyway.
MODERATOR. Were these primarily civilians or do you believe that they
were, or do you know that they were actual NVA?
CAMILE. The way that we distinguished between civilians and VC, VC had
weapons and civilians didn't and anybody that was dead was considered
a VC. If you killed someone they said, "How do you know he's a VC?"
and the general reply would be, "He's dead," and that was sufficient.
When we went through the villages and searched people the women would
have all their clothes taken off and the men would use their penises
to probe them to make sure they didn't have anything hidden anywhere
and this was raping but it was done as searching.
MODERATOR. As searching. Were there officers present there?
CAMILE. Yes, there were.
MODERATOR. Was this on a company level?
CAMILE. Company level.
MODERATOR. The company commander was around when this happened?
CAMILE. Right.
MODERATOR. Did he approve of it or did he look the other way or...
CAMILE. He never said not to or never said anything about it. The main
thing was that if an operation was covered by the press there were
certain things we weren't supposed to do, but if there was no press
there, it was okay. I saw one case where a woman was shot by a sniper,
one of our snipers. When we got up to her she was asking for water.
And the Lt. said to kill her. So he ripped off her clothes, they
stabbed her in both breasts, they spread-eagled her and shoved an E-
tool up her vagina, an entrenching tool, and she was still asking for
water. And then they took that out and they used a tree limb and then
she was shot.
MODERATOR. Did the men in your outfit, or when you witnessed these
things, did they seem to think that it was all right to do anything to
the Vietnamese?
CAMILE. It wasn't like they were humans. We were conditioned to
believe that this was for the good of the nation, the good of our
country, and anything we did was okay. And when you shot someone you
didn't think you were shooting at a human. They were a gook or a
Commie and it was okay. And anything you did to them was okay because,
like, they would tell you they'd do it to you if they had the chance.
MODERATOR. This was told you all through your training, then, in boot
camp, in advanced training, and so forth and it was followed on then,
right on through it?
CAMILE. Definitely.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_04_1Marine.html
================================================
NOTE: THAT WAS JOHN KERRY'S FREIND 'SCOTT CAMILE'
SAYING THOSE THINGS.
He works for the Kerry campaign Today.
Please get a copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
================================================
Here's some other gems from John Kerry's Movie:
That was my first day in Vietnam. As far as the crucified bodies, they
weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or
something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human
beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out
on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would
take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to
make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the
village.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut,
from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts
and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw
them out. Then, he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every
bit of skin off her body and left her there
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
I went to Boot Camp at Paris Island and we had a lot of brothers from
Philly there and the common term used in discussing the brothers
amongst the DIs, the drill instructors, was they were "niggers."
"Come here *****, do this *****." I think this had a carry-over
effect throughout the entire training. It always seemed to be that the
brothers were always looked down upon.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
They tied their hands to the ground, they spread-eagled them; they
raped all four. There was like maybe ten or twenty ROK Marines
involved. They tortured them, they sliced off their breasts, they used
machetes and cut off parts of their fingers and things like this. When
that was over, they took pop-up flares (which are aluminum canisters
you hit with your hand; it'll shoot maybe 100-200 feet in the
air)--they stuck them up their vaginas--all four of them--and they
blew the top of their heads off.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
CAMILE
we threw them on trucks and took them to the middle of the village. We
dumped them out in the middle of the village. We dumped them out in
the middle and left them there like that. We don't treat any bodies
like they were human bodies. It was just like throwing out garbage.
NOTE: THESE ARE JOHN KERRY'S FREINDS SAYING THESE THINGS
Please get a Copy of this Movie and show it to everyone you know.
Show this to every Democrat you know.
Get a copy of Kerry's Movie the Winter Soldiers, and show it to
every Democrat you know. Please get a copy of Kerry's BOOK
The New Soldiers, and show it to every Democrat you know.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHO this Kerry guy is.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy did.
All Democrats need to be aware of WHAT this Kerry guy stands for.
Lt. John Kerry is NOT a Democrat
He is an EXTREMIST LIBERAL
who believes that is OK to perform
LATE TERM ABORTIONS even after
they were OUTLAWED.
Lt. John Kerry is a Liar, a War Criminal,
and a EXTREMIST LIBERAL...
Are you?
What would your Parents think if they knew you
were Voting for the man
who called your GrandPa a Rapist and a Murder
.
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| Title: Re: SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD |
19 Aug 2004 08:51:26 PM |
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SWIFT BOAT VETERANS FOR TRUTH TO RELEASE A NEW TV AD
"..latest television ad from Swift Boat Veterans for Truth will be
released tomorrow at 10:00 am. The ad will begin airing next week
in select markets... Developing..."
I donated $1,000.00 to their cause a month ago.
Now I'm thinking about giving them $5,000.00 more.
I would like to encourage all Democrats to donate to this cause.
And don't forget that it was Lt. John Forbes Kerry that accused your
Grandfather, Father, and your Brothers... of Raping Children and
Chopping off their heads, of burning Villages full of innocent people
while they begged for their lives..
and Kerry's friends, the NEW SOLDIERS, not only told these stories
they made a Movie filled with these LIES. John Kerry has admitted
that some of his 'Winter Soldiers' were FAKES who never served in
Vietnam. But, that he still stands by every word (LIE) that they said
Get a copy of the 'Winter Soldiers' and show it to everyone you
know. Please don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to all of us.
And don't forget what Lt. John Kerry did to your Family.
Go to
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=The+Winter+Soldiers
============================================
========== The Winter Soldier Investigation ==========
============================================
Table of Contents
Need for Investigation.
Remarks by the Hon. Mark O. Hatfield of Oregon
In the Senate of the United States, Monday, April 5, 1971.
Opening Statement of William Crandell
1st Marine Division
!st Air Cavalry Division
Weapons Panel
3d Marine Division
Racism Panel
"What Are We Doing To Ourselves?"
Prisoners of War Panel
Miscellaneous Panel
Third World Panel
"What Are We Doing to Vietnam?"
25th Infantry Division and Public Information Office
82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions and 173rd Airborne Brigade
1st, 4th, and 9th Infantry Divisions
Americal Division
Medical Panel
Closing Statement of Don Duncan
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
CAMILE.
My name is Scott Camile. I was a Sgt. attached to Charley 1/1. I was a
forward observer in Vietnam. I went in right after high school and I'm
a student now. My testimony involves burning of villages with
civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads,
torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games,
corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women
being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on
people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people
holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing
people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.
http://lists.village.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_03_1Marine.html
NOTE: SCOTT CAMILE works for the Kerry campaign Today
MODERATOR.
All right. Mr. Camile, you were in Artillery, FO. You were attached to
the 1st Battalion, 12th Marines.
CAMILE. I was in the 1st Battalion, 11th Marines, attached to the 1st
Battalion, 1st Marines.
MODERATOR. You have some testimony here on the burning of villages,
cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, calling in artillery on
villages for games, women raped, napalm on villages, all sorts of
testimony of crimes against the civilians. Could you go into just a
few of these to let the people know how you treat the Vietnamese
civilian?
CAMILE. All right. The calling in of artillery for games, the way it
was worked would be the mortar forward observers would pick out
certain houses in villages, friendly villages, and the mortar forward
observers would call in mortars until they destroyed that house and
then the artillery forward observer would call in artillery until he
destroyed another house and whoever used the least amount of
artillery, they won. And when we got back someone would have to buy
someone else beers. The cutting off of heads--on Operation
Stone--there was a Lt. Colonel there and two people had their heads
cut off and put on stakes and stuck in the middle of the field. And we
were notified that there was press covering the operation and that we
couldn't do that anymore. Before we went out on the operation we were
told not to waste our heat tablets on food but to save them for the
villages because we were going to destroy all the villages and we
didn't give the people any time to get out of the villages. We just
went in and burned them and if people were in the villages yelling and
screaming, we didn't help them. We just burned the houses as we went.
MODERATOR. Why did you use the heat tabs? Did you just light off the
villages with matches or just throw the heat tabs in so it would keep
burning?
CAMILE. We'd throw the heat tabs in because it was quicker and they'd
keep burning. They couldn't put the heat tabs out. We'd throw them on
top of the houses. People cut off ears and when they'd come back in
off of an operation you'd make deals before you'd go out and like for
every ear you cut off someone would buy you two beers, so people cut
off ears. The torturing of prisoners was done with beatings and I saw
one case where there were two prisoners. One prisoner was staked out
on the ground and he was cut open while he was alive and part of his
insides were cut out and they told the other prisoner if he didn't
tell them what they wanted to know they would kill him. And I don't
know what he said because he spoke in Vietnamese but then they killed
him after that anyway.
MODERATOR. Were these primarily civilians or do you believe that they
were, or do you know that they were actual NVA?
CAMILE. The way that we distinguished between civilians and VC, VC had
weapons and civilians didn't and anybody that was dead was consid | |