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TATP or Not TATP? - That is the Question |
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/theyhate.htm
Nickel Ranttm: Liquid Bombers Prove: "They Hate Our Freedoms!"
by Edgar J. Steele
August 19, 2006
"You can fool some of the people all of the time
And you can fool all of the people some of the time,
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
--- Abraham Lincoln, 16th US President (1809-1865)
"Fool me once, shame on - shame on you.
Fool me ... unnnhhh ... you can't get fooled again." (sound clip, click
here)
--- George W. Bush, 43rd US President (Nashville, Tenn., 9/17/02)
My name is Edgar J. Steele. This is a Nickel Rant.
Muslims were planning to blow up a bunch of jetliners enroute from London to
America - or so say George Bush and Tony Blair.
Muslims without tickets.
Muslims without passports.
Muslims without bombs.
Muslims without a clue ... and they aren't the only ones, it turns out.
Without a clue, that is.
What kind of bombs? TATP bombs, short for triacetone triperoxide. What's
more, Bush and Blair told us that Muslims favor the TATP bomb, mixed on the
spot with separate liquids. With that lie, both Bush and Blair foreclosed
any possibility that the Muslims involved actually were guilty. With that
lie, both Bush and Blair disclosed themselves for the treasonous, lying
criminals that they are. Why? Glad you asked.
To Build the Impossible Bomb
You see ... it can't be done. It quite simply cannot be done. Not in any
airplane toilet. Not with any resources that might be available aboard any
airplane other than Tom Swift's Flying Lab. Not with the time afforded by a
Trans-Atlantic flight. And certainly - not by anybody without chemistry lab
training and experience - not under the circumstances claimed, anyway.
If Muslims favor TATP bombs - and there is evidence to support the claim
that Muslims use TATP bombs - then Muslims who might do so know full well
the limitations and hazards inherent to such an explosive. No Muslim in his
right mind would attempt what has been claimed, because he would know it
can't be done - and, believe me, doing it under any circumstances would
require a Muslim in his right mind. At best, the guy simply would kill
himself, and do little damage to the plane's toilet. Regardless, nobody
would be allowed the opportunity to spend hours in the toilet ... not aboard
a jetliner. In a moment, I will prove to you why TATP simply cannot be made
aboard jetliners, but first, please be really clear about the significance
of that fact: that it conclusively proves Bush and Blair to be lying
weasels. Not just dumb. Not just stupid. Lying, treasonous, unforgivable,
murdering bastards.
TATP or Not TATP? - That is the Question
A friend with a doctorate in chemistry sent me the following:
"According to the official government story, TATP (triacetone
triperoxide) was the explosive these conspirators were planning to
manufacture aboard the airliners.
"This story is not plausible for a number of reasons, but let's take a
quick look at just enough of the science so as not to provide anybody with a
guide to making an actual bomb: TATP is made from hydrogen peroxide
solution, acetone and sulfuric acid. The reaction can be carried out with
just about any concentration, but is best done with concentrated solutions
of both peroxide and acetone.
"The peroxide and acetone can be pre-mixed, but the acid must be added,
a drop at a time, to the solution, all the while continuously stirring it
and keeping it continuously chilled. This step of the process will take
several hours, during which the fumes given off will be substantial and
quite overpowering, thus a lab-quality air evacuation system is required.
(ES: right here, the whole idea of a TATP bomb becomes ludicrous.
Difficult in a lab, but impossible in an airplane due to the environment -
the toilet - and the time requirement.)
"One then must let the resulting solution stand for an extended period
at temperatures above the freezing point, but definitely below 10 Celsius
(50 Fahrenheit). Above 10 Celsius, the TATP does not form; instead,
diperoxide forms, which is so unstable it cannot be worked with. The time
required for the reaction to go to completion is at least 24 hours and often
several days.
"Once the TATP forms, it crystallizes as snowflakes from the solution
and must be harvested by filtration and the liquid discarded. The TATP then
is dried and carefully stored until needed. It must be stored below 10
Celsius or it converts spontaneously to the unstable diperoxide.
"There is neither the time, the workspace nor the other materials
required to make TATP on an airliner. The time required, the temperatures
required, the workspace required and the need to dry the chemical prior to
use preclude this story being reasonable. This chemical process is much
more sensitive than making, for example, nitroglycerin."
The technically proficient reading this will recognize that a necessary step
has been omitted and some others have been altered in critical ways. None
of these purposeful camouflages alter the ingredients or the time, care and
equipment required. Nor will I describe how TATP can be fabricated
beforehand and then detonated aboard an airliner in flight. After all,
though we want to demonstrate the impossibility of what has been claimed, we
don't want anybody actually trying this at home - and there really are some
genuine whack jobs out there. After all, we elect some of them to public
office.
An excellent (and humorous) on-line discussion by British writer Thomas
Greene, also as to why TATP simply cannot be made aboard a plane: "Mass
murder in the skies: was the plot feasible?" Mr. Greene agrees with my
friend, the PhD in chemistry, and concludes his description of the process
of creating TATP with: "So the fabled binary liquid explosive - that is,
the sudden mixing of hydrogen peroxide and acetone with sulfuric acid to
create a plane-killing explosion, is out of the question."
So it's impossible to make TATP as claimed, yet still they confiscate
liquids from us, including sodas and baby formula, not to mention toothpaste
and, even, lipsticks? Even if possible to make TATP as claimed, the
individual smells of peroxide, acetone and sulfuric acid are obvious enough
to preclude people having to be shaken down and terrorized by the airport
Gestapo in this fashion. You have to wonder: Just exactly what is going
on?
Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them
Incidentally, British officials often claim that the "London 7/7" train/bus
bombings, without any proof whatsoever, were done by Muslims with TATP in
their backpacks. Those explosions, per eyewitnesses, came from beneath the
floors, where the explosive had to have been placed earlier, then detonated
either remotely or via timer. And Blair fed Bush some of the lies he has
been caught out in by so many. Need any more proof that Blair is a liar, as
well?
Did you know that, with a huge and increasingly restless Muslim population
in England, only 12% of all British Muslims arrested on terror charges ever
end up being charged with a crime, while only 2% get convicted, almost
always of something minor and never of anything related to terrorism? You
heard about the arrests, though, didn't you? Why the difference? Because
the war on terror quite simply is a war on us, not on Muslims.
In the government's eyes, we are the terrorists. In the memorable words of
my buddy, Al: "The Patriot Act - so named because it was designed to find
and eliminate Patriots before they expose how corrupt our government has
become." Why does government fear us so? What does it know that we do not?
In other words, exactly what is it that our government officials intend to
do to us, such that they feel the need to create a police state so as to
protect themselves from us?
They Hate Our Freedoms
Don't forget: They hate our freedoms. Bush, Blair and the others, that is.
Not the Muslims. However, the Muslims are getting downright pissed about
our wading into their countries, either directly or via Israel, then killing
and maiming everybody in sight and destroying their villages, roads and
cities. The Muslims now have every reason to hate us. Honestly - do you
really blame them?
One week after 9/11, in a televised speech to Congress, Bush laid down the
mantra - his justification for eternal war: "Americans are asking, why do
they hate us? ... They hate our freedoms..."
I nearly puked when I first heard Bush say it. I cannot tell you the
response it now provokes, else they would come and take me away, for sure.
Just for fun, click here for an excellent video accounting by MSNBC's
otherwise lamentable Joe Scarborough on the verbal and mental acuity of our
President.
Bush has run out of the sort of lies that "fool all of the people some of
the time." Now he is left only with fooling "some of the people all of the
time." Regrettably, those people, who believe anything told them by CNN and
Fox News, are beyond our reach because, as comedian Ron White likes to say:
"You can't fix stupid!" There is a segment of both America and Britain that
quite simply will roll along, believing anything that Bush, Blair and their
controlled media have to say.
However, now you and I know better, don't we? In fact, most of us no longer
believe anything that Bush and Blair tell us. What's more, we now know
better than to believe anything Bush and Blair ever did tell us!
Yes, it has become more than clear why there is so much killing all around
the world these days. They hate our freedoms. There's only one problem:
"They" are you, Mr. Bush ... you and the other members of the blood-thirsty
and oil-hungry Zionist regime running America, Britain, Israel and most of
the rest of the Western World these days.
You clearly have demonstrated, Mr. Bush, with your appointment of Zionists
and incompetent sycophants (all too often, one and the same) into every
crack, crevice and cubby of your administration, with your stacking of the
courts, with your abandonment of the rule of law, with your purging of the m
ilitary officer corps, with your shocking misuse of our military enlisted
personnel and with your treasonous disdain for the Constitution ... that it
is you who hates our freedoms! You sort of told us the truth back in 2001.
What you neglected to mention was that you meant your entire administration
and the criminal cabal for which you are but a belly-crawling, lickspittle
lackey.
You first proved just whom you meant hated our freedoms with your
abysmally-misnamed Patriot Act. With the increasing revelations of your
involvement in 9/11, still more of us awakened. Torture. Murder. Illegal
spying on us. Now, with event after event, lie after lie, there is a huge
number of Americans wise to your lying. And our number grows every day!
To Dream the Impossible Dream
Meanwhile, your days are numbered, Mr. Bush. First, we're going to replace
every single Congressman, Republican and Democrat alike, who voted you the
right to conduct war in our name without a formal declaration - every single
Congressman who voted support for Israel's campaign of genocide against
innocent civilians in the Middle East. Lieberman was just the first. Then
we're going to impeach and convict you, then remove you from office, for the
highest crimes ever committed against America by a sitting President. Then,
Mr. Bush, you will be handed over to an appropriate tribunal to be tried for
your war crimes. Finally, Mr. President, it will be our singular honor and
pleasure to witness your being hanged by the neck until you are dead, as
judges like to say, for your unspeakable crimes against humanity, both at
home and abroad.
Oh ... and, Mr. Bush? May your soul burn in Hell for all of eternity.
My name is Edgar J. Steele. Thanks for listening. Please visit my web
site, www.ConspiracyPenPal.com, for other messages just like this one.
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24 Aug 2006 04:20:57 AM |
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Termagnard wrote:
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/rants/theyhate.htm
Nickel Ranttm: Liquid Bombers Prove: "They Hate Our Freedoms!"
by Edgar J. Steele
If you want to kill everyone on-board, just release Anthrax spoors.
You'll be long gone before people get stricken.
Or, you could just release Saran nerve gas and take the plane down.
Or, you could just fire an SA18 at the plane.
Or, just carry thermite on-board.
Or, put snakes in carry-on. Then, snakes on a plane would be REAL.
Or, if you were the Feds, you would not allow NTSB to require safety
regulations on the airlines. Then, every so often, planes would go down
by themselves, due to known mechanical problems. No, wait, er, I take
this back, Bush has already done this.
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