Politics > Politics-USA > thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism....
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18 May 2004 01:23:58 PM |
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thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
......
"The emerging responsible faction has no time now for the witless applause
lines [of] jeering jackdaws on left and right...."
they never ever had.....
regards....
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 12:18:42 PM |
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On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 01:41:18 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >750,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 06:10:01 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:41:18 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
complete rubbish of course...
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| User: "Maria" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
20 May 2004 04:15:40 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:41:18 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
wrote:
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
A weed is merely a plant growing in the wrong place...
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| User: "abelard" |
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20 May 2004 06:01:01 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:15:40 GMT, (Maria)
typed:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 20:41:18 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
wrote:
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
A weed is merely a plant growing in the wrong place...
don't talk of buzzy that way...
i referred to hummingbird in conversation this day....
at the end of my golden words it was suggested he sounded
more like a gull.....
meanwhile the ospreys have returned from wherever they go....
i'm told they the only thing that fishes with their feet....glory
knows whether it's so....but it is impressive...
regards...
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web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >750,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired europeandefeatism.... |
20 May 2004 03:49:54 AM |
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abelard wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
A remarkably poor metaphor. Certainly some forests have evolved
ecosystems that cope with -- indeed, benefit from, regular natural
fires. Others have because the climate is such that natural forest
fires don't take place. Neither is necessarily a good argument for
going about setting forest fires, even for short-term advantage (e.g.
some logging companies in the far East). And as for it being essential
to weed forests .... name me one forest anywhere that is, or ever has
been, regularly weeded.
Steve
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
20 May 2004 10:45:07 AM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:49:54 +0100, Stephen Glynn
<stephen.glynn@ntlworld.com>
typed:
abelard wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
A remarkably poor metaphor. Certainly some forests have evolved
ecosystems that cope with -- indeed, benefit from, regular natural
fires. Others have because the climate is such that natural forest
fires don't take place. Neither is necessarily a good argument for
going about setting forest fires, even for short-term advantage (e.g.
some logging companies in the far East). And as for it being essential
to weed forests .... name me one forest anywhere that is, or ever has
been, regularly weeded.
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
regards...
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >750,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
20 May 2004 03:11:04 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:07 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:49:54 +0100, Stephen Glynn
<stephen.glynn@ntlworld.com>
typed:
abelard wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
A remarkably poor metaphor. Certainly some forests have evolved
ecosystems that cope with -- indeed, benefit from, regular natural
fires. Others have because the climate is such that natural forest
fires don't take place. Neither is necessarily a good argument for
going about setting forest fires, even for short-term advantage (e.g.
some logging companies in the far East). And as for it being essential
to weed forests .... name me one forest anywhere that is, or ever has
been, regularly weeded.
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
And the fact that you posted such tripe tells me that you neither
understand not got the right answer lardy.
Whilst there may occasionally be unpredicted side benefits from
American actions around the world, largely there isn't and they
certainly don't do it for anyone's benefit except their own.
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
20 May 2004 03:53:43 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:11:04 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:07 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
And the fact that you posted such tripe tells me that you neither
understand not got the right answer lardy.
Whilst there may occasionally be unpredicted side benefits
unpredicted by you.
from
American actions around the world, largely there isn't and they
certainly don't do it for anyone's benefit except their own.
just like you.
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >750,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
21 May 2004 04:19:28 PM |
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On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:53:43 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:11:04 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:07 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
And the fact that you posted such tripe tells me that you neither
understand not got the right answer lardy.
Whilst there may occasionally be unpredicted side benefits
unpredicted by you.
You are losing it lardy. Your anger at the way in which America has
achieved the 'world's most hated nation status' is too much for you.
For the first time in ~60 years people around the world are at last
beginning to see what America *really* is: the No.1 Rogue State.
from
American actions around the world, largely there isn't and they
certainly don't do it for anyone's benefit except their own.
just like you.
Ooh ...now what exactly do *I* do for my own benefit
which is comparable to America?
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
21 May 2004 05:58:20 PM |
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On Fri, 21 May 2004 22:19:28 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 22:53:43 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:11:04 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 17:45:07 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
And the fact that you posted such tripe tells me that you neither
understand not got the right answer lardy.
Whilst there may occasionally be unpredicted side benefits
unpredicted by you.
You are losing it lardy. Your anger at the way in which America has
achieved the 'world's most hated nation status' is too much for you.
your imagination is far superior to your minuscule intelligence...
For the first time in ~60 years people around the world are at last
beginning to see what America *really* is: the No.1 Rogue State.
how you wish, my little fly...
from
American actions around the world, largely there isn't and they
certainly don't do it for anyone's benefit except their own.
just like you.
Ooh ...now what exactly do *I* do for my own benefit
which is comparable to America?
i cannot answer for your incompetence in pursuit of your objectives
nor for your jealousy of 'america'....
you must bear your own multiple weaknesses
--
web site at www.abelard.org - news and comment service, logic,
energy, education, politics, etc >750,000 document calls yearly
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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| User: "hummingbird" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
21 May 2004 09:34:39 PM |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 00:58:20 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
yawn.
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired europeandefeatism.... |
20 May 2004 06:19:12 PM |
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abelard wrote:
On Thu, 20 May 2004 09:49:54 +0100, Stephen Glynn
<stephen.glynn@ntlworld.com>
typed:
abelard wrote:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:18:42 +0100, hummingbird
<YPREUABXQHIB@spammotel.com>
typed:
On Tue, 18 May 2004 20:23:58 +0200, abelard <abelard@abelard.org>
mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
You are getting desparate...
What they actually like to do is to go around the world throwing
everything onto the floor and breaking it in the vain belief they can
re-make it better in their own image. When they discover that duct
tape and bubble gum aren't good enough, they just say...
-- "well it's not broken anymore, over to you".
your understanding is as ever trivial...
it is essential that there are regular burnings in the forest if
the forest is to remain health and to regenerate.....
it is also essential to dig up the weeds...
all you see in your benighted blindness is the ploughed field....
you have no concept of next year's crop.....
it is in part your insecure fear of change...a clinging to what you
know....however ridiculous....
A remarkably poor metaphor. Certainly some forests have evolved
ecosystems that cope with -- indeed, benefit from, regular natural
fires. Others have because the climate is such that natural forest
fires don't take place. Neither is necessarily a good argument for
going about setting forest fires, even for short-term advantage (e.g.
some logging companies in the far East). And as for it being essential
to weed forests .... name me one forest anywhere that is, or ever has
been, regularly weeded.
you may generate exceptions to all generalisations
fire weeds many forests and was here long before humans....
the ecology has adapted/developed in that environment....
as lehrer says, the point is to understand, not to get the right answer
regards...
This runs the risk of becoming the UKPM section of Gardeners' Question
Time, but anyway ...
While I hesitate to speculate on gardening practices chez abelard, the
outdoor staff at Glynn Towers have been forbidden to set fire to either
the lawn or the flower beds when they're doing the weeding. Quite
possibly if I wanted to turn a forest into lawns, flower beds or rolling
fields of wheat I might start by setting fire to the forest, ploughing
the ash in, and then replanting and removing plants I didn't want there
(that's what a weed is, btw -- a plant you don't want growing where it
happens to be. That's why grass, which you want on your lawn, is a weed
if it's in the rose bed).
If a forest catches fire, either naturally or because someone's started
the fire, the fire is not going to be selective. You'll end up with a
lot of ash, then seeds will fall there and tubers and root systems which
have survived the conflagration will start up again and we'll have
something new. Not necessarily better or more desirable but certainly
new and different.
The same could be said, in terms of natural phenomena, of the
after-effects of earthquakes, floods, volcanic eruptions and the black
death. It could also be said of the after-effects on a society of a
visit by either Atilla the Hun and his chums or the Tartars of the
Golden Horde.
It occurs to me that metaphors involving US foreign policy and weed
control are perhaps unfortunate in that they may evoke memories of the
US military's last large-scale attempts at weeding forests, which
involved Agent Orange.
Steve
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| User: "Paris" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 11:12:39 AM |
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abelard <abelard@abelard.org> wrote in message news:<9pkka0t9d80hsnf39a5dsgg2lifrmboubf@4ax.com>...
I think the mental problem the americans have is that they hit the
west coast, and couldn't bear to see the end of the adventure! They
believe with all their hearts that you can live your life like a
frontiersman.....
They cannot understand the idea that their adventure is at an end, and
now they must work, like every other poor sap in the world, becuase
there's nothing more to steal!
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Paris. Not the City
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 12:09:49 PM |
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On 19 May 2004 09:12:39 -0700, (Paris)
typed:
abelard <abelard@abelard.org> wrote in message news:<9pkka0t9d80hsnf39a5dsgg2lifrmboubf@4ax.com>...
I think the mental problem the americans have is that they hit the
west coast, and couldn't bear to see the end of the adventure! They
believe with all their hearts that you can live your life like a
frontiersman.....
They cannot understand the idea that their adventure is at an end,
the adventure is not at an end...and only foolishness has the
power to end it...
and
now they must work,
what a religious maniac you are....by the sweat of your face, eh!
and every year we get more ability to lie upon the beach if we should
so choose....
like every other poor sap in the world, becuase
there's nothing more to steal!
however, the reality outside your cult is that the world gets ever more
wealthy...so far...
that does not require theft.....it requires law and trade and intelligence
freeing irak form socialist madsam is intelligence....
the costs are trivial relative to the gains for the region.....
nothing is being stolen, just more socialist slavery removed....
you live in a soap bubble of unreality paris....
socialism, the most murderous religion ever invented....
socialism, the most shallow religion even imagined....
socialism the greatest destroyer of wealth ever achieved.....
you're an idiot and a primitive cultist....
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| User: "Bezemsteel" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
20 May 2004 06:26:40 AM |
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"abelard" <abelard@abelard.org> schreef in bericht
news:6o4na01mc7mdj73q9d93r995ljp48fvuqb@4ax.com...
They cannot understand the idea that their adventure is at an end,
the adventure is not at an end...and only foolishness has the
power to end it...
The next frontier,.... deep space, but that is far future music. The
problem now is to save te future. Your president don't belong to the save
the future movement
and
now they must work,
Work?? Pah!! ;-) Work is for the poor people in the thirth world. Producing
consumergoods for 1 or 2 US dollar per day,.. that's working.!
what a religious maniac you are....by the sweat of your face, eh!
and every year we get more ability to lie upon the beach if we should
so choose....
like every other poor sap in the world, becuase
there's nothing more to steal!
however, the reality outside your cult is that the world gets ever more
wealthy...so far...
Your world is very small. The world produce indeed moer and more wealth,
only,... the spendingpower of far of the most people is dropping every year
again. But indeed, that is not true for the overfavoured people as you are.
Do you work for e few dollars a day as the most people in the real world
(not your artificial rich made fake world) do?
that does not require theft.....it requires law and trade and intelligence
(1) Laws. Far of the most laws exist to protect the interest of a small
group favoured people and attacks the interests of the others.
(2) Trade. There is much more trade as there is production in the world.
This make the products we buy much more expensive as necessary. To keep the
idiot tradesystem alive 2 things are needed. First,,.. the most laborenergie
of the most real producers (all those people that do their work for a
starvation wage) must be stolen. Second. The consumers must pay artificial
high prices for the most products.
(3) Intelligence. A very intelligence propaganda machinery is needed to make
the criminal economic system worldwide acceptable for far of the most
people. The so named free media (the owners of the most newspapers and
broadcasting compagnies belongs to the group of the most favoured citizens)
are used to spread desinformation and a overkill of fatuous dull programs to
keep as many people as possible busy. This to distract us and divert our
attention from the real world. The majority of the Americans by example know
ridiculous little from the remainder of the world
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freeing irak form socialist madsam is intelligence....
After he was supoorted and even armed by the western world for many
years,... is that intelligence too?
the costs are trivial relative to the gains for the region.....
Wrong,... the major reason to launce the Irak war was to protect the
interest of the American corporate sector. The corporate sectors of other
countries get some cake crumbs too if they support loyal the so named
American war against terrorism.
nothing is being stolen, just more socialist slavery removed....
Bullshittolk. Saddam wasn't a socialist, he was a falled out friend of the
American Middel East policy.
you live in a soap bubble of unreality paris....
socialism, the most murderous religion ever invented....
socialism, the most shallow religion even imagined....
socialism the greatest destroyer of wealth ever achieved.....
You are a very good propagandist for the right-wing parties.
you're an idiot and a primitive cultist....
Hear hear! the professor in the knownothing knowledge himself.
Greetings from Bezemsteel (Dutch for Broomstick)
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| User: "Paris" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
19 May 2004 05:47:26 PM |
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abelard <abelard@abelard.org> wrote in message news:<6o4na01mc7mdj73q9d93r995ljp48fvuqb@4ax.com>...
what a religious maniac you are....by the sweat of your face, eh!
and every year we get more ability to lie upon the beach if we should
so choose....
Sure.. But we can't lay on the beach all the time.
like every other poor sap in the world, becuase
there's nothing more to steal!
however, the reality outside your cult is that the world gets ever more
wealthy...so far...
that does not require theft.
Sure, as the europeans have proved again and again.
....it requires law and trade and intelligence
That's the hard way to do it aye.
freeing irak form socialist madsam is intelligence....
Don't see how.. It's killed the US stone dead.. Hope he was worth the
effort.
the costs are trivial relative to the gains for the region.....
What are these gains that the 'region' will benefit from?
nothing is being stolen, just more socialist slavery removed....
Of course things have been stolen...
Where Iraqi company's used to operate, now US ones do. That is theft.
you live in a soap bubble of unreality paris....
socialism, the most murderous religion ever invented....
It's not a religion and you haven't a valid argument for that
assertion.
And the murder you refer to is a reaction to the injustice of the
systems that the socialist revolutions swept away.
socialism, the most shallow religion even imagined....
Assetion.
socialism the greatest destroyer of wealth ever achieved.....
Assertion.
you're an idiot and a primitive cultist....
You're the one who believes in our father in the sky... Nutcase.
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Paris. Not the City
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired europeandefeatism.... |
18 May 2004 06:48:35 PM |
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abelard wrote:
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
.....
"The emerging responsible faction has no time now for the witless applause
lines [of] jeering jackdaws on left and right...."
they never ever had.....
regards....
Of course, sometimes it all goes horribly wrong, as the Donner Party
famously discovered en route to realise their golden future in California.
http://members.aol.com/DanMRosen/donner/
Steve
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| User: "abelard" |
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| Title: Re: thank god for american optimism in the face of tired european defeatism.... |
18 May 2004 07:03:08 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 00:48:35 +0100, Stephen Glynn
<stephen.glynn@ntlworld.com>
typed:
abelard wrote:
this is why america leads the world while old europe remains sclerotic...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/opinion/18BROO.html?hp
"American history sometimes seems to be the same story repeated over and
over again. Some group of big-dreaming but foolhardy adventurers head out
to eradicate some evil and to realize some golden future. They get halfway
along their journey and find they are unprepared for the harsh reality
they suddenly face. It's too late to turn back, so they reinvent their
mission. They toss out illusions and adopt an almost desperate pragmatism.
They never do realize the utopia they initially dreamed about, but they do
build something better than what came before."
.....
"The emerging responsible faction has no time now for the witless applause
lines [of] jeering jackdaws on left and right...."
they never ever had.....
Of course, sometimes it all goes horribly wrong, as the Donner Party
famously discovered en route to realise their golden future in California.
http://members.aol.com/DanMRosen/donner/
even that i have heard of!
so did a couple of space shuttles...it is the human condition....
the alternate is even less attractive.
regards....
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all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
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