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Object: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history.
http://alternet.org/story/32977/
Impeaching George W. Bush
By Onnesha Roychoudhuri
March 6, 2006.
Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has proved
little more than a distant rumbling.
For too long, impeachment has been deemed implausible.
It’s not going to happen with a Republican Congress, so the argument
goes.
Not with the president finishing his second term, not while we're at
war.
But the distant rumbling is growing louder by the day, creating a
resonant echo that is rapidly taking root in public discourse.
"Impeach Him," reads the cover of this month’s Harper’s magazine.
http://www.harpers.org/MostRecentCover.html
And in a public forum in New York City last week, journalists,
lawyers, and political figures came together to discuss the case
against our president.
Since September 11th, 2001, there has been no shortage of news
regarding this administration’s involvement in torture, lies, secrecy
and obstruction of the law.
Yet, there has been little discussion in the mainstream media of
holding those in power accountable for the actions so diligently
catalogued by the press.
It is a conspicuous vacuum that helps to explain why calls for
impeachment are rapidly gaining currency.
In fact, the case for the impeachment of President Bush is arguably
the strongest in American history.
The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) makes this amply clear in
its recent book, a concise indictment of President Bush that lays out
four clear legal arguments that point to impeachment as a necessary
remedy for the gross violation of our Constitution.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/ccr/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2702
The Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush covers illegal
wiretapping, torture, rendition, detention and the Iraq war.
http://www.mhpbooks.com/aoi.html
An appendix compares the impeachment proceedings of Andrew Johnson,
Nixon and Clinton to the comparatively more powerful case against
Bush.
Lawyers at the CCR, indeed lawyers throughout the world, have been
embroiled in litigation with the administration for years.
But the administration has consistently demonstrated disdain for the
law, with the president effectively thumbing his nose at the Supreme
Court, Congress, and the American people.
It is this reality that led Michael Ratner and his fellow lawyers at
the CCR to provide a clear argument for impeachment to the American
people and Congress.
The piecemeal battles that journalists, lawyers and activists fight
every day are a testament to the respect many Americans still have for
the rule of law.
But arguments against the president’s violation of the Constitution
have not resulted in any reform or change in behavior.
Public shaming and the threat of legal action often work to keep
politicians in line.
But President Bush is vocally disinterested in the public’s approval
of his agenda.
Furthermore, he views the law, as evidenced by torture and detainee
litigation, as mutable suggestion.
For such a president, legal recourse is largely ineffectual -- unless
Americans and Congress reclaim the power of the law to remove the
offending parties.
As Ratner told AlterNet, "While our battles against illegal wiretaps
and Guantanamo are critical for trying to get back legality, until we
get rid of what I consider a criminal administration, we will not be
able to go back to even a semblance of civil liberties and human
rights."
The Articles of Impeachment make clear that this is no longer just
about President Bush.
Rather, it is about preventing the executive branch from obtaining
carte blanche to disregard the two other branches of government.
This is a paradigm shift that has already gained substantial footing
through this administration's steady erosion of legal precedent.
There is no shortage of diligent documentation of this president's
violation of laws and misleading of the public -- from the 1,284-page
Torture Papers to congressman John Conyers' 273-page compilation [PDF]
of the lies leading to the Iraq war.
But behind this incredible ongoing compendium of evidence against
President Bush lurks the realization that publicly pointing to
criminal behavior is not synonymous with bringing it to an end.
It is the ultimate case of missing the forest for the trees.
Behind this massive body of evidence, behind each new report of this
president’s transgressions of the law, is the threat of the one and
only story that Americans will read for the rest of this presidency,
and presidencies to come:
The abuse of power, and the destruction of our Constitution.
As Ratner notes, "We need to be as radical as reality, and reality
right now is very, very radical."
Indeed, after reading through the Articles of Impeachment, readers
will find that the only thing radical about impeaching this president
is simply that it has not yet happened.
AlterNet spoke with Michael Ratner to discuss the specifics behind the
legal arguments for impeachment, and the need for popular protest to
restore the rule of law and force Congress to hold this administration
accountable.
Onnesha Roychoudhuri:
Can you briefly describe the articles of impeachment?
Michael Ratner:
We've drafted four articles:
Article I concerns the warrantless wiretapping of Americans in the
U.S.
This constitutes a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act (FISA) which prohibits and makes criminal any wiretapping without
a warrant.
The president has said that he's doing this, and it's a criminal
charge that can get you five years in jail for each count.
Additionally, it violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution,
which prohibits unlawful searches and seizures -- this includes
electronic surveillance.
On a deeper level, these wiretaps deny the efficacy and validity of a
congressional act.
Article Two of the impeachment of Richard Nixon is very similar.
Nixon went outside of Congressional law and engaged in warrantless
wiretapping against domestic dissidents and others who opposed the war
in Vietnam.
So, this article has a historical relation, obviously solid.
Article II is the falsifications that were used to justify the Iraq
war.
That's the article that congressman John Conyers has really focused on
-- he's written an extensive report that documents this.
You reference any particular day and the administration was making
statements that Iraq has a relationship to 9/11, al Qaida and Osama
bin Laden; that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
In the one and a half years leading up to the war, the time during
which they were making these statements, they knew that they were
false.
Lying to Congress and the American people got us into a war that has
two serious impeachable issues within it:
First, it's an aggressive war contrary to the U.N. charter and
contrary to law that doesn't allow war unless it's in self-defense.
Secondly, it undermines the authority of Congress and the American
people to decide when war is necessary.
Through the lies, he got a number of Congress people to believe that
war was necessary, thereby undercutting their constitutional
obligation to decide on war.
Elizabeth Holtzman, who was part of the Judiciary Committee that voted
to impeach Nixon, has written a long piece about how this constitutes
fraud under criminal law. http://alternet.org/story/30705/
Of course, you don't need a criminal act to impeach someone, you
simply need an act that undermines and subverts the basic
constitutional structure of our government, as well as a failure to
execute the proper laws.
Article III deals with what the president has done in regard to the
issues of torture, arbitrary long-term detentions, disappearances and
special trial.
Our law is very clear on these things.
You can't torture people, you can't commit war crimes, you can't send
people to countries where they're tortured and you can't set up
special courts for trial.
The Geneva Conventions are a part of our law, as is the international
covenant of civil and political rights.
The president, in authorizing that entire range of activities, has not
met with his constitutional obligation to faithfully execute laws.
Congress tried to put some brakes on the president through the McCain
amendment, which prohibits cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.
But the president, in a signing statement, essentially said he
reserved the right to ignore what Congress says.
What he did is not just a violation of the law; he is destroying the
checks and balances of our Constitution.
Article IV is a general article that puts all of the prior three
articles together.
If you look at these things together, you see that they are
essentially destroying our republic and our democracy.
They are destroying the constitutional structure of our government.
Therefore, he should be impeached.
OR:
Was it your intent for the book to be utilized by members of Congress
to begin impeachment proceedings?
MR:
Yes, that's definitely one of our intents.
We would also like to see some courage given to our members of
Congress.
John Conyers has begun the process with 26 people now signed onto the
inquiry bill, but that's very small compared to the number that should
be there.
Similarly with the NSA spying, 18 have signed on to a serious inquiry,
but we're talking about the same kinds of conduct that were part of
Nixon's impeachment proceedings -- illegal use of electronic
surveillance.
Even Democrats like Al Gore are calling this a government of tyranny
because of the utter and complete subverting of the Constitution.
Another intent is to popularize the issue that what the president has
done has got to be looked.
These aren't just individual issues, but a destruction of democracy on
its deepest level.
We want to popularize that idea and get it out there, particularly
right now.
If you look at the polls on warrantless wiretapping and the Iraq War,
over 50 percent of Americans think that Bush could be impeached for
these activities.
But the media aren't picking this up.
No one's talking about impeachment from the New York Times, or the
Washington Post or anywhere else.
OR:
Why do you think that is?
MR:
They claim it's because it's not realistic.
But that's not at all the case.
When they started with the Clinton impeachment, less than 30 percent
of the people were willing to impeach him for his actions.
Yet, the media carried it widely.
It may be that there's a buy-in by some part of this media leader
society -- thinking that this could shake up our government too much.
Some people think it's too dangerous to do so, but we would argue that
it's much too dangerous not to.
OR:
What do you say to Americans who think it isn't worth bothering with
impeachment with the president currently in his final term?
MR:
This administration has gone so far beyond what the requirements of
the Constitution and the law.
The question is whether this country can ever come back and resemble a
democracy again.
Unless you hold accountable the people who actually carried out an
illegal war with Iraq, warrantless wiretapping and torture, there's
nothing to stop the next administration -- whether it's Republican or
Democrat -- from continuing with the same.
We have to show that what happened in this country in the past four
years is an utter subversion of our Constitution and completely
unlawful under domestic and international law.
Otherwise, I fear that this country may be changed forever in a very
negative direction.
OR:
What's at stake here?
MR:
What's at stake is a presidency that is becoming an imperial
presidency -- in which he's no longer responsible to the judiciary or
the Congress.
This is a president that thinks that, on his own, he can wiretap
people, torture people, pick them up anywhere in the world.
This has to be beaten back, and it has to be done soon.
It is becoming embedded in our society in a way that is very hard to
get rid of.
For instance, we just had a loss in the case of Maher Arar.
Part of the judge's thinking in his decision was that, while it may
not be okay to torture in a criminal case, it may be okay if it's to
prevent terrorism.
When that kind of thinking is afoot, something has to be done.
Otherwise, it will become embedded in our legal and political thinking
in the next generations.
There has to be accountability for this.
OR:
There's a lot of people, especially on the left, who think of George
W. Bush as very self-serving president.
This characterization may be preventing people from seeing that he is
actually thinking well beyond his presidency -- with the intent to
expand executive power for future administrations.
Is this a fair characterization?
MR:
Yes, this is about a particularly bad president -- a president who
doesn't care about constitutional rights.
But what's really going on here is what Cheney actually came out and
stated a month ago when he talked about warrantless wiretapping.
He said that they wanted to overcome what happened to the presidency
during the '60s and the '70s.
There's an absolute intent here to make the presidency much more
powerful, what they call a unitary presidency where they're not just a
co-equal branch, but they are the branch -- no court or Congress can
check them.
This is not just about the president any longer, it's about these
assertions of inherent power in the executive to override
constitutional, international, congressional limitations, and judicial
limitations.
That's a big problem because that's essentially a dictatorship.
OR:
With all this gratuitous conduct that has been amassed in the media,
the question arises, why haven't there been many legal successes
stopping this behavior?
MR:
At the CCR, in almost every single action discussed in the articles,
we have various lawsuits going.
The problem is that they take a long time.
Also, the courts are not always in our favor.
And, even when we win, the administration is able to undercut them.
You don't just win by lawsuits; you win by popular protest, people in
the streets.
That's the way you have to win.
The Center really believes that our lawsuits are important and people
have to be represented.
We have to stop torture to the extent that we can.
But there has to be popular protest in this country, or our lawsuits
are not going to change anything.
________________________________________________________
Harry
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User: "¥oÃ-Lance Van Ness-¥LxS"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 06 Mar 2006 08:51:47 PM
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://alternet.org/story/32977/

Impeaching George W. Bush

By Onnesha Roychoudhuri

March 6, 2006.


Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has proved
little more than a distant rumbling.

For too long, impeachment has been deemed implausible.

It's not going to happen with a Republican Congress, so the argument
goes.

Not with the president finishing his second term, not while we're at
war.

But the distant rumbling is growing louder by the day, creating a
resonant echo that is rapidly taking root in public discourse.

"Impeach Him," reads the cover of this month's Harper's magazine.
http://www.harpers.org/MostRecentCover.html

And in a public forum in New York City last week, journalists,
lawyers, and political figures came together to discuss the case
against our president.

Since September 11th, 2001, there has been no shortage of news
regarding this administration's involvement in torture, lies, secrecy
and obstruction of the law.

Yet, there has been little discussion in the mainstream media of
holding those in power accountable for the actions so diligently
catalogued by the press.

It is a conspicuous vacuum that helps to explain why calls for
impeachment are rapidly gaining currency.

In fact, the case for the impeachment of President Bush is arguably
the strongest in American history.

The Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) makes this amply clear in
its recent book, a concise indictment of President Bush that lays out
four clear legal arguments that point to impeachment as a necessary
remedy for the gross violation of our Constitution.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/ccr/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2702

The Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush covers illegal
wiretapping, torture, rendition, detention and the Iraq war.
http://www.mhpbooks.com/aoi.html

An appendix compares the impeachment proceedings of Andrew Johnson,
Nixon and Clinton to the comparatively more powerful case against
Bush.

Lawyers at the CCR, indeed lawyers throughout the world, have been
embroiled in litigation with the administration for years.

But the administration has consistently demonstrated disdain for the
law, with the president effectively thumbing his nose at the Supreme
Court, Congress, and the American people.

It is this reality that led Michael Ratner and his fellow lawyers at
the CCR to provide a clear argument for impeachment to the American
people and Congress.

The piecemeal battles that journalists, lawyers and activists fight
every day are a testament to the respect many Americans still have for
the rule of law.

But arguments against the president's violation of the Constitution
have not resulted in any reform or change in behavior.

Public shaming and the threat of legal action often work to keep
politicians in line.

But President Bush is vocally disinterested in the public's approval
of his agenda.

Furthermore, he views the law, as evidenced by torture and detainee
litigation, as mutable suggestion.

For such a president, legal recourse is largely ineffectual -- unless
Americans and Congress reclaim the power of the law to remove the
offending parties.

As Ratner told AlterNet, "While our battles against illegal wiretaps
and Guantanamo are critical for trying to get back legality, until we
get rid of what I consider a criminal administration, we will not be
able to go back to even a semblance of civil liberties and human
rights."

The Articles of Impeachment make clear that this is no longer just
about President Bush.

Rather, it is about preventing the executive branch from obtaining
carte blanche to disregard the two other branches of government.

This is a paradigm shift that has already gained substantial footing
through this administration's steady erosion of legal precedent.

There is no shortage of diligent documentation of this president's
violation of laws and misleading of the public -- from the 1,284-page
Torture Papers to congressman John Conyers' 273-page compilation [PDF]
of the lies leading to the Iraq war.

But behind this incredible ongoing compendium of evidence against
President Bush lurks the realization that publicly pointing to
criminal behavior is not synonymous with bringing it to an end.

It is the ultimate case of missing the forest for the trees.

Behind this massive body of evidence, behind each new report of this
president's transgressions of the law, is the threat of the one and
only story that Americans will read for the rest of this presidency,
and presidencies to come:

The abuse of power, and the destruction of our Constitution.

As Ratner notes, "We need to be as radical as reality, and reality
right now is very, very radical."

Indeed, after reading through the Articles of Impeachment, readers
will find that the only thing radical about impeaching this president
is simply that it has not yet happened.

AlterNet spoke with Michael Ratner to discuss the specifics behind the
legal arguments for impeachment, and the need for popular protest to
restore the rule of law and force Congress to hold this administration
accountable.


Onnesha Roychoudhuri:

Can you briefly describe the articles of impeachment?


Michael Ratner:

We've drafted four articles:

Article I concerns the warrantless wiretapping of Americans in the
U.S.

This constitutes a violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
Act (FISA) which prohibits and makes criminal any wiretapping without
a warrant.

The president has said that he's doing this, and it's a criminal
charge that can get you five years in jail for each count.

Additionally, it violates the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution,
which prohibits unlawful searches and seizures -- this includes
electronic surveillance.

On a deeper level, these wiretaps deny the efficacy and validity of a
congressional act.

Article Two of the impeachment of Richard Nixon is very similar.

Nixon went outside of Congressional law and engaged in warrantless
wiretapping against domestic dissidents and others who opposed the war
in Vietnam.

So, this article has a historical relation, obviously solid.

Article II is the falsifications that were used to justify the Iraq
war.

That's the article that congressman John Conyers has really focused on
-- he's written an extensive report that documents this.

You reference any particular day and the administration was making
statements that Iraq has a relationship to 9/11, al Qaida and Osama
bin Laden; that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

In the one and a half years leading up to the war, the time during
which they were making these statements, they knew that they were
false.

Lying to Congress and the American people got us into a war that has
two serious impeachable issues within it:

First, it's an aggressive war contrary to the U.N. charter and
contrary to law that doesn't allow war unless it's in self-defense.

Secondly, it undermines the authority of Congress and the American
people to decide when war is necessary.

Through the lies, he got a number of Congress people to believe that
war was necessary, thereby undercutting their constitutional
obligation to decide on war.

Elizabeth Holtzman, who was part of the Judiciary Committee that voted
to impeach Nixon, has written a long piece about how this constitutes
fraud under criminal law. http://alternet.org/story/30705/

Of course, you don't need a criminal act to impeach someone, you
simply need an act that undermines and subverts the basic
constitutional structure of our government, as well as a failure to
execute the proper laws.

Article III deals with what the president has done in regard to the
issues of torture, arbitrary long-term detentions, disappearances and
special trial.

Our law is very clear on these things.

You can't torture people, you can't commit war crimes, you can't send
people to countries where they're tortured and you can't set up
special courts for trial.

The Geneva Conventions are a part of our law, as is the international
covenant of civil and political rights.

The president, in authorizing that entire range of activities, has not
met with his constitutional obligation to faithfully execute laws.

Congress tried to put some brakes on the president through the McCain
amendment, which prohibits cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.

But the president, in a signing statement, essentially said he
reserved the right to ignore what Congress says.

What he did is not just a violation of the law; he is destroying the
checks and balances of our Constitution.

Article IV is a general article that puts all of the prior three
articles together.

If you look at these things together, you see that they are
essentially destroying our republic and our democracy.

They are destroying the constitutional structure of our government.

Therefore, he should be impeached.


OR:

Was it your intent for the book to be utilized by members of Congress
to begin impeachment proceedings?


MR:

Yes, that's definitely one of our intents.

We would also like to see some courage given to our members of
Congress.

John Conyers has begun the process with 26 people now signed onto the
inquiry bill, but that's very small compared to the number that should
be there.

Similarly with the NSA spying, 18 have signed on to a serious inquiry,
but we're talking about the same kinds of conduct that were part of
Nixon's impeachment proceedings -- illegal use of electronic
surveillance.

Even Democrats like Al Gore are calling this a government of tyranny
because of the utter and complete subverting of the Constitution.

Another intent is to popularize the issue that what the president has
done has got to be looked.

These aren't just individual issues, but a destruction of democracy on
its deepest level.

We want to popularize that idea and get it out there, particularly
right now.

If you look at the polls on warrantless wiretapping and the Iraq War,
over 50 percent of Americans think that Bush could be impeached for
these activities.

But the media aren't picking this up.

No one's talking about impeachment from the New York Times, or the
Washington Post or anywhere else.


OR:

Why do you think that is?


MR:

They claim it's because it's not realistic.

But that's not at all the case.

When they started with the Clinton impeachment, less than 30 percent
of the people were willing to impeach him for his actions.

Yet, the media carried it widely.

It may be that there's a buy-in by some part of this media leader
society -- thinking that this could shake up our government too much.

Some people think it's too dangerous to do so, but we would argue that
it's much too dangerous not to.


OR:

What do you say to Americans who think it isn't worth bothering with
impeachment with the president currently in his final term?


MR:

This administration has gone so far beyond what the requirements of
the Constitution and the law.

The question is whether this country can ever come back and resemble a
democracy again.

Unless you hold accountable the people who actually carried out an
illegal war with Iraq, warrantless wiretapping and torture, there's
nothing to stop the next administration -- whether it's Republican or
Democrat -- from continuing with the same.

We have to show that what happened in this country in the past four
years is an utter subversion of our Constitution and completely
unlawful under domestic and international law.

Otherwise, I fear that this country may be changed forever in a very
negative direction.


OR:

What's at stake here?


MR:

What's at stake is a presidency that is becoming an imperial
presidency -- in which he's no longer responsible to the judiciary or
the Congress.

This is a president that thinks that, on his own, he can wiretap
people, torture people, pick them up anywhere in the world.

This has to be beaten back, and it has to be done soon.

It is becoming embedded in our society in a way that is very hard to
get rid of.

For instance, we just had a loss in the case of Maher Arar.

Part of the judge's thinking in his decision was that, while it may
not be okay to torture in a criminal case, it may be okay if it's to
prevent terrorism.

When that kind of thinking is afoot, something has to be done.

Otherwise, it will become embedded in our legal and political thinking
in the next generations.

There has to be accountability for this.


OR:

There's a lot of people, especially on the left, who think of George
W. Bush as very self-serving president.

This characterization may be preventing people from seeing that he is
actually thinking well beyond his presidency -- with the intent to
expand executive power for future administrations.

Is this a fair characterization?


MR:

Yes, this is about a particularly bad president -- a president who
doesn't care about constitutional rights.

But what's really going on here is what Cheney actually came out and
stated a month ago when he talked about warrantless wiretapping.

He said that they wanted to overcome what happened to the presidency
during the '60s and the '70s.

There's an absolute intent here to make the presidency much more
powerful, what they call a unitary presidency where they're not just a
co-equal branch, but they are the branch -- no court or Congress can
check them.

This is not just about the president any longer, it's about these
assertions of inherent power in the executive to override
constitutional, international, congressional limitations, and judicial
limitations.

That's a big problem because that's essentially a dictatorship.


OR:

With all this gratuitous conduct that has been amassed in the media,
the question arises, why haven't there been many legal successes
stopping this behavior?


MR:

At the CCR, in almost every single action discussed in the articles,
we have various lawsuits going.

The problem is that they take a long time.

Also, the courts are not always in our favor.

And, even when we win, the administration is able to undercut them.

You don't just win by lawsuits; you win by popular protest, people in
the streets.

That's the way you have to win.

The Center really believes that our lawsuits are important and people
have to be represented.

We have to stop torture to the extent that we can.

But there has to be popular protest in this country, or our lawsuits
are not going to change anything.

________________________________________________________

Harry

Bush's imprisonment should be at Gitmo.
.
User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 07 Mar 2006 02:14:06 PM
%oC-Lance Van Ness-%LxS wrote:


Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has proved
little more than a distant rumbling.

Nothing is going to come of it. The only reason there's talk of
impeachment is the Democrats wany payback for Clinton.
They have to understand that Bush has to actually commit a crime before
there are grounds for impeachment.
--
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Being conservative means you're on the right side.
---
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User: "Lee Philips"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 07 Mar 2006 02:34:23 PM
"SlackJaw" <ert@lop.com> wrote in message news:iQlPf.30300$915.15783@southeast.rr.com...

%oC-Lance Van Ness-%LxS wrote:


Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has proved
little more than a distant rumbling.


Nothing is going to come of it. The only reason there's talk of
impeachment is the Democrats wany payback for Clinton.

They have to understand that Bush has to actually commit a crime before
there are grounds for impeachment.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the
most lethal weapons ever devised." -- George W. Bush, address to
the nation, 03/17/03 -- Two days before his invasion of Iraq
This was a bald-faced lie. There never was "no doubt". Ever.
Bush knew his claim was a lie when he said it.
And for 200+ other Bush half-truths and outright lies see:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/h031604.html
Bush is a traitor and war criminal, and deserves to be impeached
if not executed for his mass murder.
.
User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 07 Mar 2006 11:08:20 PM
Lee Philips wrote:

"SlackJaw" <ert@lop.com> wrote in message
news:iQlPf.30300$915.15783@southeast.rr.com...

%oC-Lance Van Ness-%LxS wrote:


Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has
proved little more than a distant rumbling.


Nothing is going to come of it. The only reason there's talk of
impeachment is the Democrats wany payback for Clinton.

They have to understand that Bush has to actually commit a crime
before there are grounds for impeachment.


"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the
most lethal weapons ever devised." -- George W. Bush, address to
the nation, 03/17/03 -- Two days before his invasion of Iraq

This was a bald-faced lie. There never was "no doubt". Ever.
Bush knew his claim was a lie when he said it.

And for 200+ other Bush half-truths and outright lies see:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/h031604.html

Bush is a traitor and war criminal, and deserves to be impeached
if not executed for his mass murder.

Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?
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User: "John"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 12:00:51 AM
"SlackJaw" <ert@lop.com> wrote in message news:8FtPf.30363$915.8755@southeast.rr.com...

Lee Philips wrote:

"SlackJaw" <ert@lop.com> wrote in message
news:iQlPf.30300$915.15783@southeast.rr.com...

%oC-Lance Van Ness-%LxS wrote:


Until recently, talk of ousting President George W. Bush has
proved little more than a distant rumbling.


Nothing is going to come of it. The only reason there's talk of
impeachment is the Democrats wany payback for Clinton.

They have to understand that Bush has to actually commit a crime
before there are grounds for impeachment.


"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the
most lethal weapons ever devised." -- George W. Bush, address to
the nation, 03/17/03 -- Two days before his invasion of Iraq

This was a bald-faced lie. There never was "no doubt". Ever.
Bush knew his claim was a lie when he said it.

And for 200+ other Bush half-truths and outright lies see:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/h031604.html

Bush is a traitor and war criminal, and deserves to be impeached
if not executed for his mass murder.


Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?

If any of them lied through their teeth as Bush did, then absolutely.
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User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 11:13:29 AM
John wrote:
snip


Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?


If any of them lied through their teeth as Bush did, then absolutely.

Well here you are...
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
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User: "z"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 03:24:33 PM
SlackJaw wrote:

John wrote:

snip


Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?


If any of them lied through their teeth as Bush did, then absolutely.


Well here you are...

-------
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
From the speech where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

A misquote, to begin with; It should be "When I vote". As shown below,
this is a significant change given the rest of the quote)
"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority
..... let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one
reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass
destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough
weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. "
"In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the
commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work
with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution
setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act
with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by
force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. "
"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do
so with others in the international community, unless there is a
showing of a grave, imminent - and I emphasize "imminent" - threat to
this country which requires the President to respond in a way that
protects our immediate national security needs...."
"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I
will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever
exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will
not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is
imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any
circumstances...."
"The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet that test yet. I
emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam
Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use these
weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in
the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent.
None of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an
attack."

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"In U.S., Calls Grow Louder for Saddam Hussein's Removal."
Lippmann, Thomas W.
The Washington Post.
5 February 1998
"Yesterday, Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic
solution" to the standoff with Iraq"

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
From the speech where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Now, against that background, let us remember the past here. It is
against that background that we have repeatedly and unambiguously made
clear our preference for a diplomatic solution ."

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Berger won strong applause when he insisted Washington is still
hoping for a peaceful way to persuade Saddam to give United Nations
inspectors free access to suspected weapons sites."
"Town Meeting Turbulent."
Powers, Scott and Lornet Turnbull.
The Columbus Dispatch.
19 February 1998 (p. A2).

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source
From the same letter where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Without intrusive inspections, we will not be able to ensure that
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs are destroyed in
accordance with U.N. Security Council resolutions. Without those
inspections, the Iraqi people will continue to suffer as a result of
international economic sanctions."

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"While I support the President [Clinton], I hope and pray that this
conflict [Operation Desert Fox] can be resolved quickly and that the
international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic
means."

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We carried out, with the help of an alliance, a war in which we put
Saddam Hussein back into his box. The United Nations voted on a set of
resolutions which demanded Saddam Hussein live up to his obligations
and get rid of weapons of mass destruction. "
"The United Nations Security Council imposed a set of sanctions on
Saddam Hussein until he did that. It also established an organization
that is set up to monitor whether Hussein had gotten rid of his weapons
of mass destruction."

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

(In this case, it's the sentence previous which was left out, which
significantly changes the misquote you pulled out of context)
"The purpose of these hearings is to give the Administration an
opportunity to present its position on Iraq, and to allow this
Committee to examine the Administration's proposal with Administration
witnesses and experts outside of the government."
[The Administration's position:]
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
...."

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We have no evidence, however, that he has shared any of those weapons
with terrorist groups."
"Moreover, if we quickly succeed in a war against the weakened and
depleted fourth rate military of Iraq and then quickly abandon that
nation as President Bush has abandoned Afghanistan after quickly
defeating a fifth rate military there, the resulting chaos could
easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently
face from Saddam."

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from
taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly
clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I
believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of
Iraq."

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"But information from the intelligence community over the past six
months does not point to Iraq as an imminent threat to the United
States or a major proliferator of weapons of mass destruction."

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"It is now October of 2002. Four years have gone by in which neither
this administration nor the previous one felt compelled to invade Iraq
to protect against the imminent threat of weapons of mass destruction.
Until today. Until 33 days until election day. Now we are being told
that we must act immediately, before adjournment and before the
elections. Why the rush?"

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"What Saddam has done in the interim is not known for certain -- but
there is every evidence, ***from the dossier prepared by the Prime
Minister of Britain, to President Bush's speech at the United
Nations***"...[emphasis mine]

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set
a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia
has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India
has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And
what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan? "
"So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it
cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option."

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."

Being conservative means lying by quoting out of context because all the other conservatives are doing it too.

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User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 07:17:54 PM
z wrote:
-just crap-
It is interesting to me to watch the Democrat base slowly break apart
and collapse.
To the loony left, it is inconceivable that Bush would jeopardize his
career to liberate Iraq because he thought it was a threat, so they
invent a fantasy world where:
"It was blood for oil"*
He did it for Haliburton.
The Jews ordered him to do it.
The space aliens ordered him to do it.
He was mad at Saddam.
etc.
*never explained - Bush could have gotten oil by lifting sanctions
The problem (As the left see it) is that Clinton also believed Saddam
was a threat, and had ordered attacks on Iraq. The Democrats had also
believed Saddam had working WMD's as did, the French, Germans, and U.N.
In light of all this, it has become increasing difficult for the libs
to say Bush knew there were no WMD's and make it stick. So they came up
with the "Bush lied" mantra and that explains how everyone else was
fooled.
It sounded plausible at first (to a clueless lib, at least) but it just
didn't hold up under scrutiny. How did Bush "fool" Democrats before he
because President? How did he "fool" Europe and the U.N.? etc.
As cracks in the alibi started to add up they started piling lie after
lie on top of lies.
"The Democrats didn't have the same intelligence"
"They were quoted out of context"
"They were drunk, they didn't know what they were talking about"
"Bush, who is a moron, fooled them completely." (So how dumb must
Democrats be?)
The libs have painted themselves into a corner which has destroyed
their credibility. Obviously they didn’t think it through or they would
have come up with a more plausible story.
I say "Keep it up" - the electorate will remember in November.
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User: "z"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 10 Mar 2006 03:45:17 PM
SlackJaw wrote:

z wrote:

-just crap-

I take it then that after requesting some clarification for the remarks
regarding Iraq, WMD, etc. by Democrats, which you posted at some
length, such clafirication which you received does not meet your needs
in some way? What specifically were you looking for? Something that
would feed your superiority complex? You know that pretending you are
the kind of Usenet is not going to fix things with your cold, distant,
inattentive parents, nor your schoolmates who treated you like "crap".

-------
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
From the speech where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

A misquote, to begin with; It should be "When I vote". As shown below,
this is a significant change given the rest of the quote)
"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority
..... let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one
reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass
destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough
weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. "
"In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the
commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work
with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution
setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act
with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by
force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. "
"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do
so with others in the international community, unless there is a
showing of a grave, imminent - and I emphasize "imminent" - threat to
this country which requires the President to respond in a way that
protects our immediate national security needs...."
"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I
will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever
exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will
not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is
imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any
circumstances...."
"The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet that test yet. I
emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam
Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use these
weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in
the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent.
None of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an
attack."

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"In U.S., Calls Grow Louder for Saddam Hussein's Removal."
Lippmann, Thomas W.
The Washington Post.
5 February 1998
"Yesterday, Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic
solution" to the standoff with Iraq"

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
From the speech where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Now, against that background, let us remember the past here. It is
against that background that we have repeatedly and unambiguously made
clear our preference for a diplomatic solution ."

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Berger won strong applause when he insisted Washington is still
hoping for a peaceful way to persuade Saddam to give United Nations
inspectors free access to suspected weapons sites."
"Town Meeting Turbulent."
Powers, Scott and Lornet Turnbull.
The Columbus Dispatch.
19 February 1998 (p. A2).

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source
From the same letter where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Without intrusive inspections, we will not be able to ensure that
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs are destroyed in
accordance with U.N. Security Council resolutions. Without those
inspections, the Iraqi people will continue to suffer as a result of
international economic sanctions."

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"While I support the President [Clinton], I hope and pray that this
conflict [Operation Desert Fox] can be resolved quickly and that the
international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic
means."

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We carried out, with the help of an alliance, a war in which we put
Saddam Hussein back into his box. The United Nations voted on a set of
resolutions which demanded Saddam Hussein live up to his obligations
and get rid of weapons of mass destruction. "
"The United Nations Security Council imposed a set of sanctions on
Saddam Hussein until he did that. It also established an organization
that is set up to monitor whether Hussein had gotten rid of his weapons
of mass destruction."

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

(In this case, it's the sentence previous which was left out, which
significantly changes the misquote you pulled out of context)
"The purpose of these hearings is to give the Administration an
opportunity to present its position on Iraq, and to allow this
Committee to examine the Administration's proposal with Administration
witnesses and experts outside of the government."
[The Administration's position:]
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
...."

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We have no evidence, however, that he has shared any of those weapons
with terrorist groups."
"Moreover, if we quickly succeed in a war against the weakened and
depleted fourth rate military of Iraq and then quickly abandon that
nation as President Bush has abandoned Afghanistan after quickly
defeating a fifth rate military there, the resulting chaos could
easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently
face from Saddam."

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from
taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly
clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I
believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of
Iraq."

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"But information from the intelligence community over the past six
months does not point to Iraq as an imminent threat to the United
States or a major proliferator of weapons of mass destruction."

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"It is now October of 2002. Four years have gone by in which neither
this administration nor the previous one felt compelled to invade Iraq
to protect against the imminent threat of weapons of mass destruction.
Until today. Until 33 days until election day. Now we are being told
that we must act immediately, before adjournment and before the
elections. Why the rush?"

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"What Saddam has done in the interim is not known for certain -- but
there is every evidence, ***from the dossier prepared by the Prime
Minister of Britain, to President Bush's speech at the United
Nations***"...[emphasis mine]

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set
a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia
has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India
has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And
what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan? "
"So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it
cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option."

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."
Being conservative means lying by quoting out of context because all
the other conservatives are doing it too.


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User: ""

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 15 Mar 2006 09:45:53 PM

I take it then that after requesting some clarification for the remarks
regarding Iraq, WMD, etc. by Democrats, which you posted at some
length, such clafirication which you received does not meet your needs
in some way?

If I may ...
The original point was that liberals keep harping on the same note over
and over again: "Bush lied" - he said there were WMD's in Iraq,
but we found none.
Well, that was the general consensus at the time, based on the best
intelligence available. The Democrats, the U.N., the French, even the
Germans believed Saddam had WMD's. (Our troops did find some damning
evidence, but that's for another post.)
The Democrats obviously believed Saddam was a threat (and with good
reason, I might add). Trying to spin this by claiming all their quotes
were somehow "out of context" is not fooling anyone. Or do you
honestly believe that Democrats thought there were no WMD's and voted
for the war resolution anyway?

What specifically were you looking for? Something that
would feed your superiority complex? You know that pretending you are
the kind of Usenet is not going to fix things with your cold, distant,
inattentive parents, nor your schoolmates who treated you like "crap".

I'm sorry, it sounds like you've had a really rough childhood. If
it's any consolation, you're not alone. A sociologist from Rutgers
University named Ted Goertzel did a study on the psychological baggage
that liberals tend to carry. I highly recommend you google it, reading
it might give you some comfort and help you face any demons you may
have.
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User: "Dennis M"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 07 Mar 2006 11:49:54 PM
In article <8FtPf.30363$915.8755@southeast.rr.com>, "SlackJaw"
<ert@lop.com> wrote:

Lee Philips wrote:

And for 200+ other Bush half-truths and outright lies see:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/h031604.html

Bush is a traitor and war criminal, and deserves to be impeached
if not executed for his mass murder.


Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?

No, it's since been revealed they were lied to a by a traitor and war criminal.
Enjoy your electoral bloodbath this fall behind your omnipotent Presidunce,
Republicans.
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User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 11:13:29 AM
Dennis M wrote:

In article <8FtPf.30363$915.8755@southeast.rr.com>, "SlackJaw"
<ert@lop.com> wrote:

Lee Philips wrote:

And for 200+ other Bush half-truths and outright lies see:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_cr/h031604.html

Bush is a traitor and war criminal, and deserves to be impeached
if not executed for his mass murder.


Should we also impeach all the Democrats who voted for the war
resolution?


No, it's since been revealed they were lied to a by a traitor and war
criminal.

Uh huh right.
Maybe you can explain the quotes they made *before* Bush became
president?
You can post your answer right here:
-------
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and
security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
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User: "z"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 02:03:06 PM
SlackJaw wrote:

Maybe you can explain the quotes they made *before* Bush became
president?

You can post your answer right here:

Well, to begin with you can explain what makes you think 2003 is
'"before" Bush became president.'

-------
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

continuing:
"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein
because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction
in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

A misquote, to begin with; It should be "When I vote". As shown below,
this is a significant change given the rest of the quote)
"When I vote to give the President of the United States the authority
..... let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one
reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass
destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough
weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies. "
"In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the
commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work
with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution
setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act
with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by
force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out. "
"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do
so with others in the international community, unless there is a
showing of a grave, imminent - and I emphasize "imminent" - threat to
this country which requires the President to respond in a way that
protects our immediate national security needs...."
"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I
will support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever
exhaust those other options, as the President has promised, but I will
not support a unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is
imminent and the multilateral effort has not proven possible under any
circumstances...."
"The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet that test yet. I
emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness of Saddam
Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use these
weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in
the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent.
None of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an
attack."

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"In U.S., Calls Grow Louder for Saddam Hussein's Removal."
Lippmann, Thomas W.
The Washington Post.
5 February 1998
"Yesterday, Clinton reiterated that he would prefer a "diplomatic
solution" to the standoff with Iraq"

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is
clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source
From the speech where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Now, against that background, let us remember the past here. It is
against that background that we have repeatedly and unambiguously made
clear our preference for a diplomatic solution ."

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 |
Source
From the news article where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Berger won strong applause when he insisted Washington is still
hoping for a peaceful way to persuade Saddam to give United Nations
inspectors free access to suspected weapons sites."
"Town Meeting Turbulent."
Powers, Scott and Lornet Turnbull.
The Columbus Dispatch.
19 February 1998 (p. A2).

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with
the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,
if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to
respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its
weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9,
1998 | Source
From the same letter where this quote was pulled out of context:

"Without intrusive inspections, we will not be able to ensure that
Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs are destroyed in
accordance with U.N. Security Council resolutions. Without those
inspections, the Iraqi people will continue to suffer as a result of
international economic sanctions."

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region
and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"While I support the President [Clinton], I hope and pray that this
conflict [Operation Desert Fox] can be resolved quickly and that the
international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic
means."

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 |
Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We carried out, with the help of an alliance, a war in which we put
Saddam Hussein back into his box. The United Nations voted on a set of
resolutions which demanded Saddam Hussein live up to his obligations
and get rid of weapons of mass destruction. "
"The United Nations Security Council imposed a set of sanctions on
Saddam Hussein until he did that. It also established an organization
that is set up to monitor whether Hussein had gotten rid of his weapons
of mass destruction."


"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

(In this case, it's the sentence previous which was left out, which
significantly changes the misquote you pulled out of context)
"The purpose of these hearings is to give the Administration an
opportunity to present its position on Iraq, and to allow this
Committee to examine the Administration's proposal with Administration
witnesses and experts outside of the government."
[The Administration's position:]
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
...."

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"We have no evidence, however, that he has shared any of those weapons
with terrorist groups."
"Moreover, if we quickly succeed in a war against the weakened and
depleted fourth rate military of Iraq and then quickly abandon that
nation as President Bush has abandoned Afghanistan after quickly
defeating a fifth rate military there, the resulting chaos could
easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently
face from Saddam."

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible
to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as
Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Moreover, no international law can prevent the United States from
taking actions to protect its vital interests, when it is manifestly
clear that there is a choice to be made between law and survival. I
believe, however, that such a choice is not presented in the case of
Iraq."

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"But information from the intelligence community over the past six
months does not point to Iraq as an imminent threat to the United
States or a major proliferator of weapons of mass destruction."

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course
to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"It is now October of 2002. Four years have gone by in which neither
this administration nor the previous one felt compelled to invade Iraq
to protect against the imminent threat of weapons of mass destruction.
Until today. Until 33 days until election day. Now we are being told
that we must act immediately, before adjournment and before the
elections. Why the rush?"

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"What Saddam has done in the interim is not known for certain -- but
there is every evidence, ***from the dossier prepared by the Prime
Minister of Britain, to President Bush's speech at the United
Nations***"...[emphasis mine]

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports
show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and
biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his
nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to
terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that
if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his
capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying
to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set
a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia
has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India
has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And
what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan? "
"So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it
cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option."

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source

from the same speech where this quote was pulled out of context:
"Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity
to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately
after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies.
When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a
coherent call for Iraqi disarmament...."
"As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States
should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go
to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted
the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the
American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent
action."

Being conservative means lying by quoting out of context because all the other conservatives are doing it too.

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User: "SlackJaw"

Title: Re: The case for the impeachment of Bush is the strongest in American history. 08 Mar 2006 04:34:32 PM
SlackJaw wrote:

No, it's since been revealed they were lied to a by a traitor and
war criminal.


Uh huh right.

Maybe you can explain the quotes they made before Bush became
president?

You can post your answer right here:

Anytime now..