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Topic:	Politics > Politics-USA
User:	""
Date:	15 Sep 2006 01:27:57 PM
Object:	The Crusades are on!

With the Pope, the President of America the nation's Secretary of State
all explaining, in their own words, that we're in a global battle of
civilizations against Islamists, it's clear that the new Crusades has
begun. God help us... no, wait... that's the problem, isn't it?
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User: "Arthur Dent"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	15 Sep 2006 02:00:21 PM

wrote:

According to some on the other side, the crusades never ended.
Perhaps you'd like to propose the Christian response, "turn the other
cheek?"
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	15 Sep 2006 02:45:31 PM

Arthur Dent wrote:

beachshark1@yahoo.com wrote:

According to some on the other side, the crusades never ended.

Perhaps you'd like to propose the Christian response, "turn the other
cheek?"

Well, not exactly, but not far from it, either. I think, originally,
there was a band of ideological misfits intent on harming America. It
seems they have both religious and political motives for this. This
band was most organized in the al-Qaeda group, but also has sympathetic
and similarly-minded compatriots elsewhere, mostly in the Middle East.
I think that once al-Qaeda committed the 9/11 atrocities, we had no
choice but to react militarily.

From that point, though, my methods of counteracting this threat

differs greatly from the Republicans, led by ***** Cheney and his
spokesman, George Bush.
I would have invaded Afghanistan to capture, and kill if necessary,
members of al-Qaeda, and any members of the Taliban that attempted to
interfere or fight us. But, I would not have demonized the Taliban as
a whole. Now, that word, "the Taliban", brings to mind the image of a
terrorist, which they were not. They were primarily religious zealots,
conservative fundamentalists, that were able to rise to control most of
Afghanistan after the Soviets left. Their main concern was
implementing strict religious control over their own people, not
attacking the U.S. or the West.
And, I would not have ramped up the call for the invasion of Iraq. In
fact, I would have offered that country a timeline and conditions for
the eventual lifting of the harsh sanctions and military dominance they
were under for ten years preceeding Bush's invasion.
In that country, there too I would not have demonized the Baath Party
as a whole and the Iraqi military as a whole. Both were not
'terrorists' threats to the U.S., and these organizations were large
parts of the fabric of Iraqi society, included in them were many, many
normal people from that society and culture.
Well, I could go on further, detailing what I would have done
differently, and what I would do even now, but, back to the point of my
initial post and your response... no, I don't favor a new crusades, nor
do I favor simply "turning the other cheek". I favor actions that come
from one with the "wisdom to know the difference".
.

User: "Arthur Dent"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	18 Sep 2006 09:41:29 AM

I humbly disagree with your attempts to draw a fine line between normal
Taliban and terrorist Taliban, normal Baath Party members and Saddam
supporting murderist Baath Party members...
I DON'T disagree that there are probably nice folks roped into those
groups, but that does not mean they don't know what their group is
about and certainly doesn't excuse the actions and goals those
terrorist groups pursue.
You don't campaign to show the nice side of the Nazi party. You get
out of it and denounce it.
Also even though I grant you that there probably are some "normal"
people within the Taliban label/Baath label... I suggest that you're
overly generous with their numbers. You would have us believe the true
terrorists are an obscure minority. It appears to me they are
definitely the controlling majority.
Two very public and clear examples where the "normal" people reared
their ugly heads.
1. Earlier this year when a European newspaper published a cartoon
tying Mohammed with violence, the "normal" folks were outraged. And
what did they do? They reacted violently. Thousands protested across
multiple countries, people were killed.
2. This past week the Pope makes a speech, talking about Mohammed,
jihad and violence... how do the "normal" folks react? Violence.
Hasn't a nun been shot already in response?
These aren't small, extremist reactions... these are thousands of
"normal" people across the Muslim world - your average Muslim Joe...
showing their true colors.
Do I suggest or support all out war against the Muslim world? Of
course not. However I think it's political spin to claim that the
terrorist/violent branch of the Muslim world is off in some obscure
corner. It is dangerously perched at the steering wheel, and the
"normal" Muslim is refusing or does not want to take away the keys.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	19 Sep 2006 05:19:59 PM

beachshark wrote:

I think, originally, there was a band of ideological misfits
intent on harming America. It seems they have both
religious and political motives for this. This band was
most organized in the al-Qaeda group, but also has
sympathetic and similarly-minded compatriots elsewhere,
mostly in the Middle East.

I think that once al-Qaeda committed the 9/11 atrocities,
we had no choice but to react militarily.

From that point, though, my methods of counteracting this
threat differs greatly from the Republicans, led by *****
Cheney and his spokesman, George Bush.

I would have invaded Afghanistan to capture, and kill if
necessary, members of al-Qaeda, and any members of the
Taliban that attempted to interfere or fight us. But, I would
not have demonized the Taliban as a whole. Now, that word,
"the Taliban", brings to mind the image of a terrorist, which
they were not. They were primarily religious zealots,
conservative fundamentalists, that were able to rise to control
most of Afghanistan after the Soviets left. Their main concern
was implementing strict religious control over their own people,
not attacking the U.S. or the West.

And, I would not have ramped up the call for the invasion of Iraq.
In fact, I would have offered that country a timeline and
conditions for the eventual lifting of the harsh sanctions and
militarydominance they were under for ten years preceeding
Bush'sinvasion.

In that country, there too I would not have demonized the Baath
Party as a whole and the Iraqi military as a whole. Both were not
'terrorists' threats to the U.S., and these organizations were large
parts of the fabric of Iraqi society, included in them were many,
many normal people from that society and culture.

Well, I could go on further, detailing what I would have done
differently, and what I would do even now, but, back to the point of
my initial post and your response... no, I don't favor a new crusades,
nor do I favor simply "turning the other cheek". I favor actions that
come from one with the "wisdom to know the difference".

Arthur Dent wrote:

Yes, our perception of the number of "wicked" differs. As I stated, I
do think that most of the members of the Taliban in Afghanistan and the
Baath Party and military in Iraq had no intent on harming the U.S., and
were not atypical citizens of their respective countries. I respect
your opinion, however, and if you have some evidence otherwise, from a
credible source, I'd be interested in reading it.

Two very public and clear examples where the "normal" people reared
their ugly heads.

1. Earlier this year when a European newspaper published a cartoon
tying Mohammed with violence, the "normal" folks were outraged. And
what did they do? They reacted violently. Thousands protested across
multiple countries, people were killed.

2. This past week the Pope makes a speech, talking about Mohammed,
jihad and violence... how do the "normal" folks react? Violence.
Hasn't a nun been shot already in response?

These aren't small, extremist reactions... these are thousands of
"normal" people across the Muslim world - your average Muslim Joe...
showing their true colors.

Do I suggest or support all out war against the Muslim world? Of
course not. However I think it's political spin to claim that the
terrorist/violent branch of the Muslim world is off in some obscure
corner. It is dangerously perched at the steering wheel, and the
"normal" Muslim is refusing or does not want to take away the keys.

I don't agree that the above two examples confirm that most Muslims
were threats to the U.S. before the forced occupations of these two
Middle Eastern countries.
Obviously, since the brutal invasions, passions have flared and
America's enemies have greatly increased, but even with this turn of
events, I still don't perceive that most Muslims, in either country,
are threats to the American people.
In your first example, the Danish cartoon controversy, many Muslims
took to the streets in protest. I think this number still was a very,
very small percentage of the citizens of these countries, and they were
likely members of the more fundamentalist aspects. Considering the
role their religion plays in their lives, and that their religion
forbids caricatures of their idols, and that tempers are hot from the
War on the Middle East, well, I'm not surprised that heated protests
developed.
You describe the Pope remarks controversy quite tamely. The leader of
a major religion makes a point to publicly remark, quoting, of course,
that Islam might be evil. These are obviously inflammatory remarks,
especially considering the other antagonizing events we've been
discussing, and in this example I also don't feel the Muslim reaction
is an indication that most of the Taliban Party, Baath Party, or Iraqi
military were threats to America prior to the U.S. invasions. Nor,
even now, do I believe this to be true. Nor do I believe that most
Muslims in general are threats, either. And, the killing of that one
nun, if accurate (I haven't heard of this) is statistically so
insignificant it doesn't prove your assertion either.
Mr. Dent, you say, "These aren't small, extremist reactions... these
are thousands of 'normal' people across the Muslim world - your average
Muslim Joe...showing their true colors." I just don't perceive this to
be true. I don't think the "average Muslim Joe" was, or is, a threat
to the American people.
I do think that even the threat from what I perceive as a dangerous
minority can be better contained with a wiser course of action than
what we've had, with a proper balance of military enforcement and
diplomatic effort.
.

User: "Arthur Dent"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	19 Sep 2006 07:35:35 PM

I appreciate the reply. It's refreshing to disagree without cursing
about each other's mothers as unfortunately is too often the case in
these newsgroups.
I understand your point, and agree that yes, there probably are a lot
of people under the Taliban/Baath banner who mean American no harm.
However I think in my excitement I've not successfully made my point.
I'm trying to show that at the drop of a hat the Muslims go berserk,
much more so than we do. For example, regarding the Pope's recent
comments you said:

You describe the Pope remarks controversy quite tamely. The leader of
a major religion makes a point to publicly remark, quoting, of course,
that Islam might be evil. These are obviously inflammatory remarks,
especially considering the other antagonizing events we've been
discussing...

I totally agree, but that's beside the point. The Pope could have said
Mohammed was the Great Satan or simply that he had bad B.O. They STILL
would have rioted in the streets, burned him in effigy, killed a nun or
two (yes, it is true: do a news.google search on "nun killed
Mogadishu")...
Conversely consider the reaction of Catholics as Muslim clerics
REGULARLY make comments as inflammatory or more about Christians. Or
what about the reaction of Americans every time a Muslim leader
denounces capitalism and calls everything we hold dear evil? We do not
riot in the streets en masse, burning stuffed clerics and shooting our
rifles in the air.
My point is simply this: the Muslims fly off the handle much more
readily than we do.
I suspect we can agree there. Where we likely disagree is the much
more interesting discussion: WHY do they fly off the handle more
readily, and is it justified?
.

User: "snakehawk"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 11:04:44 AM

Arthur Dent wrote:

Conversely consider the reaction of Catholics as Muslim clerics
REGULARLY make comments as inflammatory or more about Christians. Or
what about the reaction of Americans every time a Muslim leader
denounces capitalism and calls everything we hold dear evil? We do not
riot in the streets en masse, burning stuffed clerics and shooting our
rifles in the air.

My point is simply this: the Muslims fly off the handle much more
readily than we do.

I suspect we can agree there. Where we likely disagree is the much
more interesting discussion: WHY do they fly off the handle more
readily, and is it justified?

The circumstances might have something to do with it. For example,
suppose a combination of Iraqi and Iranian military forces, after
having killed a few hundred thousand American civilians and destroying
a few of our important cities, occupied Washington, D.C., and were
sending out armed patrols throughout the countryside to prevent
violence. Our new "president," duly elected under our new constitution
from a panel of handpicked candidates and taking his orders from
Baghdad and Tehran, is busy implementing our new rules of commerce.
The new rules will apply to the new entrepreneurs who were flown in
from the Middle East to establish our new economy. Along with our new
constitution, our new leaders, and the new owners of Amerca's
resources, certain changes are planned for Christianity in order to
better conform to the rest of the world--to make the U.S. more like the
Middle East.
Now imagine, after a few years of the foregoing, some very influential
Muslim Cleric gives a lecture in Tehran in which he announces to his
audience that Chrisitianity is a violent religion, founded on
principles of the Old Testament where the Christian God not only
condones but often commands the mass slaughter of all living things in
the towns conquered by the Christian God's chosen people. He even
quotes passages from Exodus, and Numbers, and Judges to prove his case.
The suggestion is that Christianity must be treated like a violent
religion. The lecture is widely published throughout the world. Do
you think American Christians would be upset? Do you think they migh
"fly off the handle?" Think they would take to the streets? Shout?
Riot? I wonder.
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 04:21:58 PM

snakehawk wrote:

Arthur Dent wrote:

The circumstances might have something to do with it. For example,
suppose a combination of Iraqi and Iranian military forces, after
having killed a few hundred thousand American civilians and destroying
a few of our important cities, occupied Washington, D.C., and were
sending out armed patrols throughout the countryside to prevent
violence. Our new "president," duly elected under our new constitution
from a panel of handpicked candidates and taking his orders from
Baghdad and Tehran, is busy implementing our new rules of commerce.
The new rules will apply to the new entrepreneurs who were flown in
from the Middle East to establish our new economy. Along with our new
constitution, our new leaders, and the new owners of Amerca's
resources, certain changes are planned for Christianity in order to
better conform to the rest of the world--to make the U.S. more like the
Middle East.

Now imagine, after a few years of the foregoing, some very influential
Muslim Cleric gives a lecture in Tehran in which he announces to his
audience that Chrisitianity is a violent religion, founded on
principles of the Old Testament where the Christian God not only
condones but often commands the mass slaughter of all living things in
the towns conquered by the Christian God's chosen people. He even
quotes passages from Exodus, and Numbers, and Judges to prove his case.
The suggestion is that Christianity must be treated like a violent
religion. The lecture is widely published throughout the world. Do
you think American Christians would be upset? Do you think they migh
"fly off the handle?" Think they would take to the streets? Shout?
Riot? I wonder.

I don't think it adds to this discussion to pretend that extreme
reactions from the Moslem street only date back to the coalition
invasion of Iraq.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.

User: "snakehawk"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 07:53:29 PM

wrote:

snakehawk wrote:

Arthur Dent wrote:

I suspect we can agree there. Where we likely disagree is the much

more interesting discussion: WHY do they fly off the handle more
readily, and is it justified?

The circumstances might have something to do with it. For example,
suppose a combination of Iraqi and Iranian military forces, after
having killed a few hundred thousand American civilians and destroying
a few of our important cities, occupied Washington, D.C., and were
sending out armed patrols throughout the countryside to prevent
violence. Our new "president," duly elected under our new constitution
from a panel of handpicked candidates and taking his orders from
Baghdad and Tehran, is busy implementing our new rules of commerce.
The new rules will apply to the new entrepreneurs who were flown in
from the Middle East to establish our new economy. Along with our new
constitution, our new leaders, and the new owners of Amerca's
resources, certain changes are planned for Christianity in order to
better conform to the rest of the world--to make the U.S. more like the
Middle East.

Now imagine, after a few years of the foregoing, some very influential
Muslim Cleric gives a lecture in Tehran in which he announces to his
audience that Chrisitianity is a violent religion, founded on
principles of the Old Testament where the Christian God not only
condones but often commands the mass slaughter of all living things in
the towns conquered by the Christian God's chosen people. He even
quotes passages from Exodus, and Numbers, and Judges to prove his case.
The suggestion is that Christianity must be treated like a violent
religion. The lecture is widely published throughout the world. Do
you think American Christians would be upset? Do you think they migh
"fly off the handle?" Think they would take to the streets? Shout?
Riot? I wonder.

I don't think it adds to this discussion to pretend that extreme
reactions from the Moslem street only date back to the coalition
invasion of Iraq.

We're talking about extreme reactions today. Of course, if you want to
discuss the conditions in the past that might have contributed to
Muslim violent reactions to Christians, then we could talk about the
British and French colonizations, where the wonderful Christians of
Europe divided up the Muslim countries and installed puppet regimes.
We could discuss the brutality of the French, the British, and the
Americans in establishing their hegemony over the Muslim territories.
And, of course, there's that wonderful little Jewish wonderland
forcefully plopped right in the middle of Muslim territory, occupied by
a pack of rabid jackals, armed to the teeth, and ever ready to put
those violent Muslims in their place.
Just when in modern history did the Muslims not have ample and
justifiable reason to react violently to Christians and Jews?
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	23 Sep 2006 04:34:51 PM

snakehawk wrote:

Just when in modern history did the Muslims not have ample and
justifiable reason to react violently to Christians and Jews?

Ah, an apologist for moslem terrorists. I haven't seen
one of those in hours.
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.

User: "Defendario"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	23 Sep 2006 05:02:28 PM

wrote:

snakehawk wrote:

Just when in modern history did the Muslims not have ample and
justifiable reason to react violently to Christians and Jews?

Ah, an apologist for moslem terrorists. I haven't seen
one of those in hours.

FOAD, Christofascist.
Been called one of those in the last few hours?
You just were!
;D

--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	25 Sep 2006 08:12:53 AM

Defendario wrote:

firelock_ny@hotmail.com wrote:

snakehawk wrote:

Just when in modern history did the Muslims not have ample and
justifiable reason to react violently to Christians and Jews?

Ah, an apologist for moslem terrorists. I haven't seen
one of those in hours.

FOAD, Christofascist.

Hilarious. Here's a guy who leaps to the defense of an
apologist for people who wrap themselves in explosives
to kill children for God, *and* he does so thinking I'm a
christer! What a maroon!
--
Walt Smith
Firelock on DALNet
.

User: "kope2"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	25 Sep 2006 08:30:50 AM

i am a radical muslim please read my blog.
http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	20 Sep 2006 04:08:36 PM

Arthur Dent wrote:

I appreciate the reply. It's refreshing to disagree without cursing
about each other's mothers as unfortunately is too often the case in
these newsgroups.

Actually, I appreciated your initial reply, which was thoughtful and
respectful, so I replied in kind.

I understand your point, and agree that yes, there probably are a lot
of people under the Taliban/Baath banner who mean American no harm.

However I think in my excitement I've not successfully made my point.
I'm trying to show that at the drop of a hat the Muslims go berserk,
much more so than we do. For example, regarding the Pope's recent
comments you said:

I totally agree, but that's beside the point. The Pope could have said
Mohammed was the Great Satan or simply that he had bad B.O. They STILL
would have rioted in the streets, burned him in effigy, killed a nun or
two (yes, it is true: do a news.google search on "nun killed
Mogadishu")...

Conversely consider the reaction of Catholics as Muslim clerics
REGULARLY make comments as inflammatory or more about Christians. Or
what about the reaction of Americans every time a Muslim leader
denounces capitalism and calls everything we hold dear evil? We do not
riot in the streets en masse, burning stuffed clerics and shooting our
rifles in the air.

My point is simply this: the Muslims fly off the handle much more
readily than we do.

I suspect we can agree there. Where we likely disagree is the much
more interesting discussion: WHY do they fly off the handle more
readily, and is it justified?

I'm not sure why Muslims "fly off the handle" as they do. I guess here
in America, most of us have been taught the ideals of tolerance and
inclusion, since as a relatively new nation we've absorbed peoples from
many countries and religions, many who've come to escape intolerance or
a lack of opportunity.
The Muslim countries are largely homogenous and their governments are
not necessarily secular. And the Muslim faith itself frequently
becomes a major aspect of daily life for the fundamentalists of that
religion, of which there are many.
.

User: "kope2"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 11:39:40 AM

wrote:

do you want to stop spreading of islam?
i want you to watch this video then i will tell you why islam is
spreading so fast and how to stop spreading of islam.
Amie Gallagher, nine, and her sister Ashlene, 12, are all-too-typical
children of modern Britain convert to Islam, daughters of a
single-parent household where the father is absent .
video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6872731311255429137&q=convert+to+islam
also read this very interesting.
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1103/75.html
now first you must ask yourself 3 questions.
1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?
2. how can you stop spreading of islam ?
3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?
as you know those kids cant posiblely know that islam is truth but they
did like something about islam that missing in christianity/society,
there conversion has nothing to do that islam is true or not, majority
of humanbeing are dumbs for example in india people worship snakes,
monkeys, stones, elephants etc. and christians worship a god who became
man and died on peice of wood so he can save humen.
1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?
the reason islam is spreading so fast last 3 decades is because of
sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital
sex,infidelity, homosextualty, porn etc. because of woman nudity
everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect
women so women dont respect men.
so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle
2. how can you stop spreading of islam ?
simple ban bikini and other revealing clothing and porn.
3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?
because you believe in freedom to wear bikini and watch porn, a freedom
will destroy you and your freedom.
Christians Banned Muslims Women Headscarf
i always said that human are dumb creature.
http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	23 Sep 2006 02:54:59 PM

kope2 wrote:

beachshark1@yahoo.com wrote:

do you want to stop spreading of islam?

i want you to watch this video then i will tell you why islam is
spreading so fast and how to stop spreading of islam.

Amie Gallagher, nine, and her sister Ashlene, 12, are all-too-typical
children of modern Britain convert to Islam, daughters of a
single-parent household where the father is absent .

video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6872731311255429137&q=convert+to+islam

also read this very interesting.

http://www.hvk.org/articles/1103/75.html

now first you must ask yourself 3 questions.

1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

2. how can you stop spreading of islam ?

3. what are the reason you cant stop spreading of islam ?

as you know those kids cant posiblely know that islam is truth but they
did like something about islam that missing in christianity/society,
there conversion has nothing to do that islam is true or not, majority
of humanbeing are dumbs for example in india people worship snakes,
monkeys, stones, elephants etc. and christians worship a god who became
man and died on peice of wood so he can save humen.

1. why does islam is spreading so fast in last 3 decades?

the reason islam is spreading so fast last 3 decades is because of
sextual immorality wide spread in christians's society like premarital
sex,infidelity, homosextualty, porn etc. because of woman nudity
everywhere man lost respect for women and because of man dont respect
women so women dont respect men.

so man and mostly women joining islam for new lifestyle

2. how can you stop spreading of islam ?

simple ban bikini and other revealing clothing and porn.

Now hold on there, pardner! When anyone tries to ban bikinis, that's
when I grab my gun and fight!
.

User: "Captain Compassion"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	15 Sep 2006 03:11:19 PM

On 15 Sep 2006 11:27:57 -0700,

wrote:

Deus Il Volt.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: "DanDan"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	15 Sep 2006 04:35:21 PM

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.
.

User: "EIB Factor"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	18 Sep 2006 08:19:08 PM

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real WMDs
on those 21st century Romulans.
-
"I listen to my Democrat friends, and I wonder if
they are more interested in protecting the terrorists
than protecting the American people."
-House Majority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio
.

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	18 Sep 2006 08:50:19 PM

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:nbgug25kvs96em48aonimimkof0uf3i8oc@4ax.com:

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real WMDs
on those 21st century Romulans.

Remember who won the last crusades?
.

User: "EIB Factor"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	19 Sep 2006 09:01:43 AM

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:50:19 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:nbgug25kvs96em48aonimimkof0uf3i8oc@4ax.com:

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real WMDs
on those 21st century Romulans.

Remember who won the last crusades?

The Crusades were fought by the Muslims with primitive weapons. The
Muslims are still using primitive weapons by today's standards.
Turning Islamic regimes with WMDs into a parking lot will beat out
their car bombs and mortars.
-
"I listen to my Democrat friends, and I wonder if
they are more interested in protecting the terrorists
than protecting the American people."
-House Majority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio
.

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	19 Sep 2006 09:50:21 AM

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in news:grsvg250nkapfct6n87hbnpuqrsq4mgkq8@
4ax.com:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:50:19 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:nbgug25kvs96em48aonimimkof0uf3i8oc@4ax.com:

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real WMDs
on those 21st century Romulans.

Remember who won the last crusades?

Just like it was superior American technology that
won the Vietnam war for us, eh?
.

User: "EIB Factor"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 06:41:15 AM

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:50:21 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in news:grsvg250nkapfct6n87hbnpuqrsq4mgkq8@
4ax.com:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:50:19 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:nbgug25kvs96em48aonimimkof0uf3i8oc@4ax.com:

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage war
on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your country in
body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real WMDs
on those 21st century Romulans.

Remember who won the last crusades?

Just like it was superior American technology that
won the Vietnam war for us, eh?

We did Vietnam the Democratic way, Cut and Run.
-
"I listen to my Democrat friends, and I wonder if
they are more interested in protecting the terrorists
than protecting the American people."
-House Majority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio
.

User: "Mitchell Holman"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 07:25:17 AM

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:e4u4h2d8gi8cn8tkks7vomuj6hii44l2ve@4ax.com:

On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 09:50:21 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:grsvg250nkapfct6n87hbnpuqrsq4mgkq8@ 4ax.com:

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:50:19 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote:

EIB Factor <PinheadBuster@foxnews.com> wrote in
news:nbgug25kvs96em48aonimimkof0uf3i8oc@4ax.com:

On 15 Sep 2006 14:35:21 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:

The religious right of America want to visit the holy land to wage
war on the muslims, thats fine and we will send you back to your
country in body bags. Bring it on.

Let's pay house call to Mecca during the Hajj and drop some real
WMDs on those 21st century Romulans.

Remember who won the last crusades?

Just like it was superior American technology that
won the Vietnam war for us, eh?

We did Vietnam the Democratic way, Cut and Run.

Under orders from that Democrat president Nixon,
I take it.
Sheesh...............
.

User: "EIB Factor"
Title: Re: The Crusades are on!	21 Sep 2006 10:18:22 AM

On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 07:25:17 -0500, Mitchell Holman
<NoemailPlease@comcast.com> wrote: