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22 Aug 2005 08:27:51 PM |
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The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame
Cindy Sheehan is still saying she plans to return to Crawford, TX. I'm still
convinced she won't return. However, if she does, she likely will return to
discover that things aren't the same as they used to be.
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer of what's hot and what's not in
the news. I anticipated that once she left Crawford, momentum for Cindy's
"movement" would decline. I decided to check out BlogPulse and use their
blog trend tool to see just how much damage Cindy's leaving Crawford did to
the momentum of her cause... The impact was clearly measurable/. Below is
the trend graph of blog posts that mentioned Cindy Sheehan. I have
highlighted on the trend graph when Cindy left Crawford, and as you can see
(and I have indicated on the graph), Cindy Sheehan took a major hit in the
blogosphere after leaving "Camp Casey."
My curiousity also brough to me to see how many posts discussed Casey
Sheehan, her son who lost his life in Iraq. In the beginning, the difference
in percentage of blog posts mentioning Cindy Sheehan and Casey Sheehan was
minimal. As time went on, and her story got more popular, Casey Sheehan
became much, much less relevant than his mother. This could be interpreted
in a number of different ways, but essentially means that this movement had
much more to do with Cindy and her ego, than the memory of her son and other
fallen soldiers.
If there is anything this graph proves, it is that Cindy Sheehan's 15
minutes of fame are near over. Should she return to Crawford, I would expect
a small spike in blog entries discussing her return, but I doubt you'll see
her relevancy in the blogosphere return to its peak. Very soon, she'll be
yesterday's news.
UPDATE: Guess who's blogging at Daily Kos...
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22 Aug 2005 10:48:28 PM |
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"Truth" <Truth@aol.com> wrote in message
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The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame
Cindy Sheehan is still saying she plans to return to Crawford, TX. I'm
still convinced she won't return. However, if she does, she likely will
return to discover that things aren't the same as they used to be.
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer of what's hot and what's not in
the news. I anticipated that once she left Crawford, momentum for Cindy's
"movement" would decline. I decided to check out BlogPulse and use their
blog trend tool to see just how much damage Cindy's leaving Crawford did
to the momentum of her cause... The impact was clearly measurable/. Below
is the trend graph of blog posts that mentioned Cindy Sheehan. I have
highlighted on the trend graph when Cindy left Crawford, and as you can
see (and I have indicated on the graph), Cindy Sheehan took a major hit in
the blogosphere after leaving "Camp Casey."
My curiousity also brough to me to see how many posts discussed Casey
Sheehan, her son who lost his life in Iraq. In the beginning, the
difference in percentage of blog posts mentioning Cindy Sheehan and Casey
Sheehan was minimal. As time went on, and her story got more popular,
Casey Sheehan became much, much less relevant than his mother. This could
be interpreted in a number of different ways, but essentially means that
this movement had much more to do with Cindy and her ego, than the memory
of her son and other fallen soldiers.
If there is anything this graph proves, it is that Cindy Sheehan's 15
minutes of fame are near over. Should she return to Crawford, I would
expect a small spike in blog entries discussing her return, but I doubt
you'll see her relevancy in the blogosphere return to its peak. Very soon,
she'll be yesterday's news.
UPDATE: Guess who's blogging at Daily Kos...
I don't think Gold Star parents ever go out of style.
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22 Aug 2005 09:27:50 PM |
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There will be NEW "Sheehans" - continuously - in the coming months.
Way too many GIs have been killed or crippled in Iraq for this not to
happen - even if only a tiny percentage of their relatives go the
Sheehan route. I'd expect 2-5 new "Sheehans" at any given time from
now on.
Save on gas! Shop the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW
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| User: "SmirkS" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:00:45 PM |
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Truth posted:
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer of what's hot and what's
not in the news. I anticipated that once she left Crawford, momentum
for Cindy's "movement" would decline. I decided to check out BlogPulse
and use their blog trend tool to see just how much damage Cindy's
leaving Crawford did to the momentum of her cause... The impact was
clearly measurable/. Below is the trend graph of blog posts that
mentioned Cindy Sheehan. I have highlighted on the trend graph when
Cindy left Crawford, and as you can see (and I have indicated on the
graph), Cindy Sheehan took a major hit in the blogosphere after
leaving "Camp Casey."
what's that got to do with reality?
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"Despite the temporary departure of Cindy Sheehan to care for her ailing
mother, the antiwar vigil outside President Bush’s estate in Crawford is
continuing to grow. Hundreds gathered on Saturday night to hear musician
Steve Earle perform at Camp Casey. Legendary folk singer Joan Baez also
held a concert Sunday evening. Military families, veterans and other
supporters are coming from around the country - as far away as Alaska,
California and Massachusetts - to support Cindy’s efforts.
Over the weekend, Bush met with cycling champion Lance Armstrong for a
two-hour bike ride around the Crawford property. Armstrong has recently
criticized the war in Iraq saying it has prevented the country from
spending more on cancer research. While President Bush gave him a t-shirt
that said "Tour-de-Crawford", he made no public comments, Cindy Sheehan,
the "Tour-de-Force" while in Crawford."
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Military families and Iraq veterans held a press conference at Camp Casey
Friday afternoon.
Becky Lourey, (D-MN). Her son, Matt, was killed in Iraq in May. Lourey was
a leading opponent in her state of the invasion of Iraq. In March 2003,
she authored an antiwar resolution signed by eighteen other state
senators.
After the news conference, military families, veterans and others held a
prayer vigil in front of the more than 840 crosses planted in the camp
grounds representing soldiers killed in Iraq. They then boarded into vans
and headed out towards President Bush’s property to deliver the letter.
Leading the procession were two women: Beatrice Saldivar whose nephew,
Daniel Torres was killed in Iraq in February 2005 and Mimi Evans whose son
is a marine awaiting deployment to Iraq. They were stopped at a checkpoint
on the way to Bush’s property.
Refusing to be turned away, Mimi Evans and Beatrice Saldivar walked hand
in hand up to the barriers blockading the entrance to President Bush’s
estate. They dropped the letter on the ground and laid a pair of flowers
on top. This is Beatrice Saldivar.
Beatrice Saldivar, her nephew, Daniel Torres was killed in Iraq in
February 2005
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AMY GOODMAN: Military Families and Iraq Veterans held a news conference at
Camp Casey on Friday afternoon. The temperature, as usual, over 100
degrees. One of those who spoke was Minnesota State Senator, Becky Lourey.
Her son, Matt, was killed in Iraq just a few months after Casey Sheehan
died. Lourey was a leading opponent in her state of the invasion of Iraq.
In March 2003, the State Senator authored an anti-war resolution signed by
18 other state senators. This is what Becky Lourey had to say at the rally
on Friday.
STATE SEN. BECKY LOUREY: Thank you so much for being here so that you can
report to the world that Camp Casey is alive and well. I'm Minnesota State
Senator, Becky Lourey. My son, CW-4, Matthew Scott Lourey, a wonderful
American hero, died on May 26, saving his colleagues' lives in Iraq. And
I'm reading you a letter written by all of us here.
August 19, 2005. “Dear Mr. President, Cindy Sheehan a Gold Star mother who
has been camped outside your ranch, asking you to take one hour out of
your five-week vacation to meet with her, left Camp Casey today when her
mother had a stroke.
“While Cindy Sheehan is temporarily not in Crawford, we want to be clear
that we, Gold Star and Military Families and Veterans who have stood by
Cindy these past 11 days, remain encamped outside your ranch, and we will
stay here until you meet with us and answer ours and Cindy's questions
about the, quote, ‘noble cause,’ unquote, for which our loved ones have
been killed or placed in harm's way. Cindy Sheehan may have started this,
but we are committed to carrying it on on behalf of Cindy and the
thousands of Gold Star and Military Families across the country who have
the very same concerns and questions.
“Many of our families have paid the ultimate price for your
administration's lies leading up to this war in Iraq, and we all deserve
answers. Harm, danger, death and grief entered our living rooms the moment
you sent our nation and our loved ones to a war with a country that posed
no threat to America and had nothing to do with the terrible tragedy of
September 11th.
“We need answers. We need the truth. You put our loved ones and all of our
troops into harm's way based on lies. Too many of our loved ones have
already paid the ultimate price. For those of us with loved ones deployed
or about to deploy, every day threatens to transform them from a military
family to a Gold Star family. We call on you, Mr. President, to support
our troops and bring them home now.
“Sincerely, Charlie Anderson, Iraq veteran; Rebecca Bahr, mother of a
soldier; Lynn Bradach, Gold Star mother; Cody Comacho, Iraq veteran;
Michelle Deford, Gold Star mother; Linda Englund, mother of returned
soldier; Mimi Evans, mother of deploying soldier; Linda Jansen, family of
soldier; Doug Met, family of soldier; Tammara Rosenleaf, wife of deploying
soldier; Beatriz Saldivar, aunt of fallen soldier; Nancy Towson, mother of
deployed soldier; Allison Townson, sister of deployed soldier; Pat Vogel,
mother of returning soldier.” And say your name.
JUAN TORRES: Juan Torres, father.
STATE SEN. BECKY LOUREY: Juan, father --
JUAN TORRES: Juan Torres.
UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: And Sergio Torres, father.
STATE SEN. BECKY LOUREY: And Sergio, father, right here. And for a few
remarks from me personally, I do believe that a conversation is incredibly
valuable. If North Carolina Congressman Walter Jones, who dubbed French
fries “freedom fries,” can change his mind and offer a resolution because
it is clear now from all the intelligence that the presence ever our
troops in Iraq is making the insurgency stronger, if Congressman Walter
Jones can change his mind, so can our President Bush.
AMY GOODMAN: Minnesota State Senator, Becky Lourey, speaking at Camp
Casey, Friday afternoon. She lost her son Matt this past May in Iraq.
After the news conference, military families, veterans and others held a
prayer vigil in front of the more than 840 crosses planted in the
campgrounds representing soldiers who have been killed in Iraq. They then
boarded vans and headed towards President Bush's property to deliver the
letter. Leading the procession were two women, Beatriz Saldivar, whose
nephew Daniel Torres was killed in Iraq, and Mimi Evans whose son, a
marine, is awaiting deployment. They were stopped at a checkpoint on the
way to Bush's ranch.
SECRET SERVICE: Hello. How are you doing? I'm B.J. Flowers, Secret
Service. How are you doing? What can I do for you this morning?
MIMI EVANS: Hello, we have something for the President of the United
States. My name is Mimi Evans. I’m with Military Families Speak Out, and I
have a letter for the President.
SECRET SERVICE: Okay.
MIMI EVANS: And this letter says --
SECRET SERVICE: Well, ma'am, I cannot accept --
MIMI EVANS: I'm not reading it, and I know you cannot accept it.
SECRET SERVICE: Okay, I can’t accept it, and I don’t believe there's
anyone from staff here to take your letter at the moment, okay?
MIMI EVANS: Will they be here later?
SECRET SERVICE: I don't anticipate them to be here. No, ma’am. Sometimes
they’re here –
BEATRIZ SALDIVAR: Can you call somebody?
SECRET SERVICE: No. Can’t call them down here. That's up to them whether
they want to be down here, you know, to address any complaints or
[inaudible] --
BEATRIZ SALDIVAR: Can you ask them that all the mothers of the fallen
soldiers are asking somebody from the White House to come in and accept
this letter?
SECRET SERVICE: They -- there's no one here to accept it, ma'am. I'm
sorry. I can’t take it. Thank you.
MIMI EVANS: As Secret Service, would you be able to convey the message
that we are still down at the camp, and we intend to stay there, the
mothers and the families, please?
SECRET SERVICE: I will relay that information.
MIMI EVANS: We are not going anywhere.
SECRET SERVICE: Okay. Very good.
MIMI EVANS: Thank you.
AMY GOODMAN: Refusing to be turned away, Mimi Evans and Beatriz Saldivar
walked hand in hand up to the barriers blockading the entrance to
President Bush's estate. They dropped the letter on the ground and laid
flowers on top. This is Beatriz Saldivar.
BEATRIZ SALDIVAR: I want to say to President Bush one thing, okay, and in
the name of Cindy and all the mothers, that letter that's laying there
with those precious flowers on top is laying there. Our soldiers when they
killed -- get killed in Iraq, the men next to them, the other fellow
soldiers, picks up their body, their pieces. Sometimes the bodies are not
recognized. Sometimes they come back in one piece, and sometimes they have
their eyes open and they're dead. We ask you, President, to have the
courage to pick up that letter. It’s just a simple letter. We cannot pick
up our sons and daughters and husbands and nephews, but you can -- we
cannot bring them back alive, but you can have the courage to pick up that
letter and talk to this nation and the world. The whole world is
listening.
AMY GOODMAN: Beatriz Saldivar, her nephew Daniel Torres, died in Iraq
earlier this year. The Secret Service told the women and their religious
people supporting them who came to the checkpoint that they had to get
back in their vans. The letter and the flowers remained on the ground.
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TheTruthHurts.
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24 Aug 2005 06:35:08 PM |
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Truth wrote:
The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame
She is back!
Well, I guess the front end is and end. I think she will "stay the
course", for her to pull out of Crawford prematurely would be bad for
the United States. When sanity stands up she will stand down.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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23 Aug 2005 02:40:28 AM |
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When she returns, there will be press coverage, so she'll get a boost.
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer? No, can't say that it is.
Her question remains, "What is the noble cause we are fighting for in Iraq?"
Even Republicans can see, that if Bush continues on his current track, a
lot of them won't be returning after the mid-terms.
Truth wrote:
The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame
Cindy Sheehan is still saying she plans to return to Crawford, TX. I'm still
convinced she won't return. However, if she does, she likely will return to
discover that things aren't the same as they used to be.
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer of what's hot and what's not in
the news. I anticipated that once she left Crawford, momentum for Cindy's
"movement" would decline. I decided to check out BlogPulse and use their
blog trend tool to see just how much damage Cindy's leaving Crawford did to
the momentum of her cause... The impact was clearly measurable/. Below is
the trend graph of blog posts that mentioned Cindy Sheehan. I have
highlighted on the trend graph when Cindy left Crawford, and as you can see
(and I have indicated on the graph), Cindy Sheehan took a major hit in the
blogosphere after leaving "Camp Casey."
My curiousity also brough to me to see how many posts discussed Casey
Sheehan, her son who lost his life in Iraq. In the beginning, the difference
in percentage of blog posts mentioning Cindy Sheehan and Casey Sheehan was
minimal. As time went on, and her story got more popular, Casey Sheehan
became much, much less relevant than his mother. This could be interpreted
in a number of different ways, but essentially means that this movement had
much more to do with Cindy and her ego, than the memory of her son and other
fallen soldiers.
If there is anything this graph proves, it is that Cindy Sheehan's 15
minutes of fame are near over. Should she return to Crawford, I would expect
a small spike in blog entries discussing her return, but I doubt you'll see
her relevancy in the blogosphere return to its peak. Very soon, she'll be
yesterday's news.
UPDATE: Guess who's blogging at Daily Kos...
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23 Aug 2005 02:42:28 PM |
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Her son thought that it was a noble cause, that should be enough for
her. She is disrespecting her son by what she is doing.
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23 Aug 2005 09:22:50 PM |
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<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124826148.226316.186890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Her son thought that it was a noble cause, that should be enough for
her. She is disrespecting her son by what she is doing.
You seem to be stuck in a rut, so let me help you.
http://cryptome.org/brp4/bush-ranch4.htm
Pay close attention to this picture on page three:
http://cryptome.org/brp/pict52.jpg
Cindy Sheehan, right, and President Bush supporter Gary Qualls of Temple,
Texas hug at her camp near Crawford, Texas, Saturday, Aug. 13, 2005. Qualls'
son Marine LCPL. Louis W. Qualls was killed in the battle of Fallujah Nov.
14, 2004. Qualls answered an invitation from Sheehan to meet with pro-Bush
parents that lost children in Iraq. Qualls was the only parent that came.
(AP Photo/LM Otero)
No one is disrespecting anyone other than this *****...
http://cryptome.org/brp/pict70.jpg
Larry Northern, shown in a McLennan County Sheriff's Office photo, was
arrested late Monday night, Aug. 15, 2005, after running over an estimated
300 crosses bearing the names of U.S. soldiers on a road near President
Bush's ranch outside Crawford, Texas. He was charged with criminal mischief.
(AP Photo/McLennan County Sheriff's Office via Waco Tribune Herald)
http://cryptome.org/brp/pict71.jpg
White crosses bearing the names of soldiers who have died in the Iraq war
lie on the ground along Prairie Chapel Road after they were vandalized by a
pickup truck the night before, in Crawford, Texas, Tuesday, August, 16,
2005. The makeshift memorial was erected by anti-war protesters supporting
'peace mom' Cindy Sheehan who is camped out on the road leading to President
Bush's ranch nearby. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
....and the people that won't meet with Cindy. If you don't have enough balls
to talk to a middle aged woman, you aren't much.
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23 Aug 2005 09:30:29 PM |
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Chance Hopkins wrote:>
No one is disrespecting anyone other than this *****...
http://cryptome.org/brp/pict70.jpg
Larry Northern, shown in a McLennan County Sheriff's Office photo, was
arrested late Monday night, Aug. 15, 2005, after running over an estimated
300 crosses bearing the names of U.S. soldiers on a road near President
Bush's ranch outside Crawford, Texas. He was charged with criminal mischief.
(AP Photo/McLennan County Sheriff's Office via Waco Tribune Herald)
Man, does he look like a hard-head or what? Probably sleeps with a chip
on his shoulder. Thinks everything is cool as long as he has his gun
and bag of tater chips.
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23 Aug 2005 10:36:57 PM |
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"WillieJ" <medfordfarms@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1124850629.360271.137530@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Chance Hopkins wrote:>
No one is disrespecting anyone other than this *****...
http://cryptome.org/brp/pict70.jpg
Larry Northern, shown in a McLennan County Sheriff's Office photo, was
arrested late Monday night, Aug. 15, 2005, after running over an
estimated
300 crosses bearing the names of U.S. soldiers on a road near President
Bush's ranch outside Crawford, Texas. He was charged with criminal
mischief.
(AP Photo/McLennan County Sheriff's Office via Waco Tribune Herald)
Man, does he look like a hard-head or what? Probably sleeps with a chip
on his shoulder. Thinks everything is cool as long as he has his gun
and bag of tater chips.
This is on the page also, for anyone that wants to tell him how they feel
about HIM:
http://wacobusiness.com/Business.cfm?ID=671
Northern, Realtors
Full Service Real Estate Sales. Buyers Representation is Available.
Relocation Sales and Buying.
For more information contact:
Northern, Realtors
Larry Northern
303 Crossroads West
Waco, Texas 76712
254-772-8200
254-751-0449 fax
Lnorth8980@aol.com
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24 Aug 2005 02:18:34 AM |
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wrote:
Her son thought that it was a noble cause, that should be enough for
her. She is disrespecting her son by what she is doing.
Now you're reaching.
It's not a noble cause to die for your country, it's a failure of
leadership.
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| User: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" |
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24 Aug 2005 04:58:55 PM |
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PagCal wrote:
somedaysoon22@hotmail.com wrote:
Her son thought that it was a noble cause, that should be enough for
her. She is disrespecting her son by what she is doing.
Now you're reaching.
It's not a noble cause to die for your country, it's a failure of
leadership.
As General George Patton said, "It isn't your job to die for your
country, it your job to make the other SOB die for his."
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| User: "SmirkS" |
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23 Aug 2005 02:52:37 PM |
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someday armchair psychologist posted:
Her son thought that it was a noble cause, that should be enough for
her. She is disrespecting her son by what she is doing.
you knew casey, did you?
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22 Aug 2005 09:04:10 PM |
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You are so "crystal ballish". Oh my.
Ask any mother of a dead son or daughter this: If you could choose one
of the following, which would you pick, (a) or (b):
a.) Sadaam in power in Iraq
b.) My son or daughter alive and home.
My crystal ball says (b.). Was this war worth it?
Answer (from my ouija board).....No.
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| User: "WillieJ" |
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22 Aug 2005 09:07:13 PM |
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Duh, lets try that again:
Ask any mother of a dead son or daughter this: If you could choose one
of the following, which would you pick, (a) or (b):
a.) Sadaam "removed" from power in Iraq
b.) My son or daughter alive and home.
My crystal ball says (b.). Was this war worth it?
Answer (from my ouija board).....No.
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22 Aug 2005 09:15:49 PM |
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You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in. She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
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23 Aug 2005 03:42:29 PM |
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<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in.
You knew him?
She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
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23 Aug 2005 06:53:50 PM |
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Chance Hopkins wrote:
<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124763349.068030.170870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in.
You knew him?
Not personally, no. But he joined the military for a reason. He
signed up again for a reason. She should put his reasons ahead of her
own. He has my deepest respect, she has my contempt.
She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
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23 Aug 2005 09:11:11 PM |
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<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124841229.964962.92230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Chance Hopkins wrote:
<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124763349.068030.170870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in.
You knew him?
Not personally, no. But he joined the military for a reason. He
signed up again for a reason. She should put his reasons ahead of her
own. He has my deepest respect, she has my contempt.
So you are assuming he believes what you assume people who are in the
military believe?
I know vets that don't support the war.
She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
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24 Aug 2005 12:18:16 AM |
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Chance Hopkins wrote:
I know vets that don't support the war.
Maybe so, but a *lot* of vets do.
Soldiers re-enlist beyond U.S. goal
By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — Soldiers are re-enlisting at rates ahead of the Army's
targets, even as overall recruiting is suffering after two years of the
Iraq war.
The high re-enlistment rates would make up about one-third of the Army's
projected 12,000-troop shortfall in recruiting, although the
re-enlistments won't address some key personnel vacancies, such as
military police and bomb-disposal experts.
Army officials attribute the strong re-enlistment rates to unprecedented
cash bonuses and a renewed sense of purpose in fighting terrorism.
From Oct. 1 through June, the Army had re-enlisted 53,120 soldiers, 6%
ahead of its goal of about 50,000 for that period. At that pace, the
Army would finish the year 3,850 troops ahead of its target of 64,162.
Re-enlistment rates the past three years have been at least 6% above the
service's goals for the 500,000-member active Army. There are about
105,000 Army soldiers in Iraq, including members of the National Guard
and Reserve.
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are doing,"*
Head said
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
24 Aug 2005 10:11:47 AM |
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Quoth BH <radiobillxx@zzgbronline.com> in news:lvudnZ2dnZ3RGs-
KnZ2dncZplt6dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@gbronline.com:
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are
doing,"* Head said
That's a load of crap.
Soldiers see how bleak the job market is on the outside, they see
that they don't have much in the way of marketable skills, they are
threatened with stop-loss orders that will enslave them into the
2030s, and they re-up because their other choices look worse to
them.
Download <http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050823_001.mp3> and
listen to the last ten minutes, then download
<http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050823_002.mp3> and listen
to the first half hour, to hear the wife of an Army sergeant
describe her husband's ordeal over re-enlistment, and the ordeal
undergone by their acquaintances. It's not a pretty story.
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George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
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| User: "Tom Betz" |
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
24 Aug 2005 02:18:38 PM |
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I see that this call has been now made available as a separate file at
<http://shows.airamericaradio.com/play.php?file=RandiRhodes/8-23-05/RandiRhodes.wma>.
It's well worth the time spent listening to it.
Tom Betz <spammers_lie@pobox.com> wrote in news:Xns96BC71E5536A6greenriverordinance@166.84.1.70:
Quoth BH <radiobillxx@zzgbronline.com> in news:lvudnZ2dnZ3RGs-
KnZ2dncZplt6dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@gbronline.com:
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are
doing,"* Head said
That's a load of crap.
Soldiers see how bleak the job market is on the outside, they see
that they don't have much in the way of marketable skills, they are
threatened with stop-loss orders that will enslave them into the
2030s, and they re-up because their other choices look worse to
them.
Download <http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050823_001.mp3> and
listen to the last ten minutes, then download
<http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050823_002.mp3> and listen
to the first half hour, to hear the wife of an Army sergeant
describe her husband's ordeal over re-enlistment, and the ordeal
undergone by their acquaintances. It's not a pretty story.
--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
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| User: "Tom Betz" |
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
24 Aug 2005 07:07:48 AM |
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Quoth BH <radiobillxx@zzgbronline.com> in news:lvudnZ2dnZ3RGs-
KnZ2dncZplt6dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@gbronline.com:
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are
doing,"* Head said
That's a load of crap.
Soldiers see how bleak the job market is on the outside, they see
that they don't have much in the way of marketable skills, they are
threatened with stop-loss orders that will enslave them into the
2030s, and they re-up because their other choices look worse to
them.
Download <http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050823_002.mp3> and listen
to the second hour of it to hear the wife of an Army sergeant
describe their ordeal over re-enlistment. It's not a pretty story.
--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
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| User: "Tom Betz" |
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
24 Aug 2005 07:06:53 AM |
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Quoth BH <radiobillxx@zzgbronline.com> in news:lvudnZ2dnZ3RGs-
KnZ2dncZplt6dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@gbronline.com:
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are
doing,"* Head said
That's a load of crap.
Soldiers see how bleak the job market is on the outside, they see
that they don't have much in the way of marketable skills, they are
threatened with stop-loss orders that will enslave them into the
2030s, and they re-up because their other choices look worse to them.
Download <http://www.wilem.com/rrs/rrs_20050822_002.mp3> and listen
to the second hour of it to hear the wife of an Army sergeant
describe their ordeal over re-enlistment. It's not a pretty story.
--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
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| User: "Cmdr Buzz Corey" |
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
24 Aug 2005 11:00:46 AM |
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Tom Betz wrote:
Quoth BH <radiobillxx@zzgbronline.com> in news:lvudnZ2dnZ3RGs-
KnZ2dncZplt6dnZ2dRVn-yZ2dnZ0@gbronline.com:
"The biggest thing is that soldiers *believe in what they are
doing,"* Head said
That's a load of crap.
Sez you. So what makes you the expert? Have you talked to all these
soldiers?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame |
23 Aug 2005 09:53:35 PM |
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Chance Hopkins wrote:
<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124841229.964962.92230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Chance Hopkins wrote:
<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124763349.068030.170870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in.
You knew him?
Not personally, no. But he joined the military for a reason. He
signed up again for a reason. She should put his reasons ahead of her
own. He has my deepest respect, she has my contempt.
So you are assuming he believes what you assume people who are in the
military believe?
I know vets that don't support the war.
And I know vets that do. You are correct though. I cannot talk to
him. I am assuming that because he re-upped he supported what was
going on. It is an assumption (which is a bad thing), but I cannot
talk to him so assuming is all I can do at this point.
She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
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| User: "iceman" |
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22 Aug 2005 10:50:06 PM |
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<somedaysoon22@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1124763349.068030.170870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in. She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Very selfish indeed.
You really don't get it..........when are you enlisting? Another
chickenhawk, I believe.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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23 Aug 2005 07:21:10 PM |
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wrote:
You have the question wrong. It should be "If your son or daughter
could answer, which would they choose"
To be at home alive or Saddam in power? LOL! :-D
You are totally fukking nuts.
Cindy Sheehan is a disgrace. She is going against everything that her
son believed in. She obviously didn't agree with her son, but she
should respect his wishes instead of using his name to advance hers.
Did you know Casey personally? Communing with the dead? LOL
Very selfish indeed.
You are. And so is your Chimp in Cheif.
;D
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22 Aug 2005 09:21:44 PM |
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The Fat Lady hasn't sung yet:
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| Georgia Moms Protest at Bush's Ranch
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| ATLANTA, GA -- It is traveling day for Evelyn Allen and Patricia
| Roberts, two mothers who lost their sons to the war in Iraq.
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| "We just don't know the truth behind the war," Allen told
| 11Alive's Jerry Carnes "We're at a standstill. Why is it going
| on? We want to know why."
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<http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/georgia/news-article.aspx?storyid=42870>
--bks
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23 Aug 2005 02:45:00 AM |
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You guys have been saying this for two weeks.
"Truth" <Truth@aol.com> wrote in message
news:rYuOe.30857$ll3.369404@twister.southeast.rr.com...
The End Of Cindy Sheehan's 15 Minutes of Fame
Cindy Sheehan is still saying she plans to return to Crawford, TX. I'm
still convinced she won't return. However, if she does, she likely will
return to discover that things aren't the same as they used to be.
The blogosphere is a fairly good barometer of what's hot and what's not in
the news. I anticipated that once she left Crawford, momentum for Cindy's
"movement" would decline. I decided to check out BlogPulse and use their
blog trend tool to see just how much damage Cindy's leaving Crawford did
to the momentum of her cause... The impact was clearly measurable/. Below
is the trend graph of blog posts that mentioned Cindy Sheehan. I have
highlighted on the trend graph when Cindy left Crawford, and as you can
see (and I have indicated on the graph), Cindy Sheehan took a major hit in
the blogosphere after leaving "Camp Casey."
My curiousity also brough to me to see how many posts discussed Casey
Sheehan, her son who lost his life in Iraq. In the beginning, the
difference in percentage of blog posts mentioning Cindy Sheehan and Casey
Sheehan was minimal. As time went on, and her story got more popular,
Casey Sheehan became much, much less relevant than his mother. This could
be interpreted in a number of different ways, but essentially means that
this movement had much more to do with Cindy and her ego, than the memory
of her son and other fallen soldiers.
If there is anything this graph proves, it is that Cindy Sheehan's 15
minutes of fame are near over. Should she return to Crawford, I would
expect a small spike in blog entries discussing her return, but I doubt
you'll see her relevancy in the blogosphere return to its peak. Very soon,
she'll be yesterday's news.
UPDATE: Guess who's blogging at Daily Kos...
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