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"JustLooking" |
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25 Jul 2006 01:05:39 AM |
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The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the
other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
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| User: "Chuck Feney" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 06:18:38 AM |
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"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote:
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
"Having a bill" is hardly the same as having a law.
This drill is going nowhere except to allow more posturing by the
GOPers who, post-election, will resume kissing Bush's *****.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 08:09:36 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:18:38 GMT, Chuck Feney
<It's.@.Slam.Dunk.> wrote:
"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote:
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
"Having a bill" is hardly the same as having a law.
This drill is going nowhere except to allow more posturing by the
GOPers who, post-election, will resume kissing Bush's *****.
Except Specter doesn't kiss bush's *****.
A bill becomes law when bush signs it.
Bush is breaking the law when he doesn't enforce it.
The USSC has already said that a president does not
have the right to selectively enforce, or not enforce
just parts of bills
He must either reject the bill/law entirely, or accept
it as written.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 09:54:26 AM |
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:09:36 -0600, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:18:38 GMT, Chuck Feney
<It's.@.Slam.Dunk.> wrote:
"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote:
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
"Having a bill" is hardly the same as having a law.
This drill is going nowhere except to allow more posturing by the
GOPers who, post-election, will resume kissing Bush's *****.
Except Specter doesn't kiss bush's *****.
A bill becomes law when bush signs it.
Bush is breaking the law when he doesn't enforce it.
The USSC has already said that a president does not
have the right to selectively enforce, or not enforce
just parts of bills
He must either reject the bill/law entirely, or accept
it as written.
Consider a signing state a de facto line item veto.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 12:27:30 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:09:36 -0600, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:18:38 GMT, Chuck Feney
<It's.@.Slam.Dunk.> wrote:
"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote:
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the
*****
out of the other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led
the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would
have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in
federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
"Having a bill" is hardly the same as having a law.
This drill is going nowhere except to allow more posturing by the
GOPers who, post-election, will resume kissing Bush's *****.
Except Specter doesn't kiss bush's *****.
A bill becomes law when bush signs it.
Bush is breaking the law when he doesn't enforce it.
The USSC has already said that a president does not
have the right to selectively enforce, or not enforce
just parts of bills
He must either reject the bill/law entirely, or accept
it as written.
Consider a signing state a de facto line item veto.
What is a "de facto line item veto" and were in the constitutuion can you
find it? The fact is that the signing statement is a way to obfustcate the
bill. It has no force of law, it doesn't even resemble the force of law.
The executive has the right to sign or veto a bill, thats it. They can't
make up new parts of the constitution.
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| User: "jmcgill" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm TheLaw" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 12:30:58 PM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
What is a "de facto line item veto" and were in the constitutuion can you
find it? The fact is that the signing statement is a way to obfustcate the
bill. It has no force of law, it doesn't even resemble the force of law.
It is, however, an official statement. If a president signs a bill and
makes a statement that he believes the bill to be unconstitutional, does
he commit an offense with regard to his oath of office? Or does the
president have no authority to judge whether a bill placed before him is
constitutional?
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
29 Jul 2006 02:34:32 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:Mysxg.19474$_c1.8025@fed1read05...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
What is a "de facto line item veto" and were in the constitutuion can you
find it? The fact is that the signing statement is a way to obfustcate
the bill. It has no force of law, it doesn't even resemble the force of
law.
It is, however, an official statement. If a president signs a bill and
makes a statement that he believes the bill to be unconstitutional, does
he commit an offense with regard to his oath of office? Or does the
president have no authority to judge whether a bill placed before him is
constitutional?
Then veto it. Jeez, doesn't any repug know the law?
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
29 Jul 2006 03:00:01 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 19:34:32 GMT, "Kevin Cunningham"
<smskjd@mindspring.com> wrote:
"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:Mysxg.19474$_c1.8025@fed1read05...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
What is a "de facto line item veto" and were in the constitutuion can you
find it? The fact is that the signing statement is a way to obfustcate
the bill. It has no force of law, it doesn't even resemble the force of
law.
It is, however, an official statement. If a president signs a bill and
makes a statement that he believes the bill to be unconstitutional, does
he commit an offense with regard to his oath of office? Or does the
president have no authority to judge whether a bill placed before him is
constitutional?
Then veto it. Jeez, doesn't any repug know the law?
Most bills contain many issues and riders. Vetoing an entire bill to
kill one part that is iffy is throwing the baby out with the bath
water. What authority does the congress have to judge what is
constitutional?
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 01:11:26 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:Mysxg.19474$_c1.8025@fed1read05...
Kevin Cunningham wrote:
What is a "de facto line item veto" and were in the constitutuion can you
find it? The fact is that the signing statement is a way to obfustcate
the bill. It has no force of law, it doesn't even resemble the force of
law.
It is, however, an official statement. If a president signs a bill and
makes a statement that he believes the bill to be unconstitutional, does
he commit an offense with regard to his oath of office? Or does the
president have no authority to judge whether a bill placed before him is
constitutional?
Exactly. Nor the education.
Besides, that's not the issue - if he thought the bill was
unconstitutional, he simply wouldn't sign it. He merely finds them
inconvenient to himself and his cronies personally, and knows his excuse
will never be tested.
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| User: "jmcgill" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm TheLaw" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 01:18:11 PM |
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ouroboros rex wrote:
Exactly. Nor the education.
Besides, that's not the issue - if he thought the bill was
unconstitutional, he simply wouldn't sign it. He merely finds them
inconvenient to himself and his cronies personally, and knows his excuse
will never be tested.
He knows that, only because he assumes (perhaps correctly) that no laws
apply to him.
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 01:41:04 PM |
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"jmcgill" <jmcgill@email.arizona.edu> wrote in message
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ouroboros rex wrote:
Exactly. Nor the education.
Besides, that's not the issue - if he thought the bill was
unconstitutional, he simply wouldn't sign it. He merely finds them
inconvenient to himself and his cronies personally, and knows his excuse
will never be tested.
He knows that, only because he assumes (perhaps correctly) that no laws
apply to him.
No, he knows it because we have a republican-controlled Congress who
wouldn't investigate him properly if he blew up the twin towers himself.
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| User: "jmcgill" |
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25 Jul 2006 01:45:12 PM |
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ouroboros rex wrote:
No, he knows it because we have a republican-controlled Congress who
wouldn't investigate him properly if he blew up the twin towers himself.
For the moment, but some are urging me to believe that this will change
dramatically in a few days. Early voting in my district begins August
10th.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 10:12:03 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Consider a signing state a de facto line item veto.
On what legal basis?
The emperor Caligula precedent?
Caligula was crazy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 11:51:05 AM |
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On 25 Jul 2006 08:12:03 -0700, wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Consider a signing state a de facto line item veto.
On what legal basis?
Congress passes laws
The exectutive branch doesn't have the authority to
selectively follow what it likes.
The authorization to give Clinton "line item veto
power" was overruled by the USSC in 1998.
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| User: "Democrat" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 05:31:36 AM |
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"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote in message
news:kbOdnVlrpoxeKVjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the
other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would
have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in
federal court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
If the President may properly decline to enforce a law, at least when it
unconstitutionally encroaches on his powers, then it arguably follows that
he may properly announce to Congress and to the public that he will not
enforce a provision of an enactment he is signing. If so, then a signing
statement that challenges what the President determines to be an
unconstitutional encroachment on his power, or that announces the
President's unwillingness to enforce (or willingness to litigate) such a
provision, can be a valid and reasonable exercise of Presidential authority.
- Bill Clinton's Justice Department Memorandum
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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25 Jul 2006 09:34:39 AM |
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"Democrat" <moveon@moveon.org> wrote in message
news:aqmxg.15208$1Q1.5485@fe03.news.easynews.com...
"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote in message
news:kbOdnVlrpoxeKVjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the
other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led
the fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he
would have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue
him in federal court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
If the President may properly decline to enforce a law, at least when it
unconstitutionally encroaches on his powers, then it arguably follows that
he may properly announce to Congress and to the public that he will not
enforce a provision of an enactment he is signing. If so, then a signing
statement that challenges what the President determines to be an
unconstitutional encroachment on his power, or that announces the
President's unwillingness to enforce (or willingness to litigate) such a
provision, can be a valid and reasonable exercise of Presidential
authority.
- Bill Clinton's Justice Department Memorandum
Cite?
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| User: "Tobacco Spittin Gun Slingin KKK Deer Huntin Jesus" |
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| Title: Re: The end of the Imbecile: GOP Specter WILL SUE George "I'm The Law" Bush |
25 Jul 2006 06:08:22 AM |
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Democrat wrote:
"JustLooking" <durrmont@netskapee.com> wrote in message
news:kbOdnVlrpoxeKVjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the
other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would
have a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in
federal court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
If the President may properly decline to enforce a law, at least when it
unconstitutionally encroaches on his powers, then it arguably follows that
he may properly announce to Congress and to the public that he will not
enforce a provision of an enactment he is signing. If so, then a signing
statement that challenges what the President determines to be an
unconstitutional encroachment on his power, or that announces the
President's unwillingness to enforce (or willingness to litigate) such a
provision, can be a valid and reasonable exercise of Presidential authority.
Bill Clinton's Justice Department Memorandum
"can be a valid and reasonable exercise of Presidential authority"
CAN be, when it is not being abused, that is as Bush has done.. that is
why there are lawsuits, when damage is done as a result of that abuse.
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| User: "Tobacco Spittin Gun Slingin KKK Deer Huntin Jesus" |
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25 Jul 2006 01:27:10 AM |
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Just think, two whole years left in his Presidency to take our time
fucking Bush up his ***** with the Constitution he continually ignores
and revises for his own devices, the laws he continually breaks and
gets away with and the war he should never have started that has the
whole world in turmoil and has left the American people, hated, broke
and struggling while he and his rich disguisting pig friends raise
interest rates and gas prices, create huge corporate tax cuts for
themselves while growing ever more wealthy from it all. We need to take
that money back and put in the Treasury where it all belongs! We need
to make this ***** wish he were never re-elected.
JustLooking wrote:
Looks like in the end the true, reasonable Republicans will beat the *****
out of the
other GOP clowns, starting with the bozo-in-chief.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A powerful Republican committee chairman who has led the
fight against President Bush's signing statements said Monday he would have
a bill ready by the end of the week allowing Congress to sue him in federal
court.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060724/D8J2LC50B.html
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