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"Stan" |
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09 Oct 2006 05:39:14 PM |
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The failure of " progressive" education |
Finally waking up. Why it took so long is beyond belief.
"At heart, critical literacy theory is an ideological construct. It is
politics disguised as education."
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/paulkelly/index.php/theaustralian/comments/a_clarion_call_for_the_sake_of_our_kids/
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| User: "dangdangdoodle" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
09 Oct 2006 06:59:13 PM |
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In article <mcAWg.44505$rP1.41640@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Finally waking up. Why it took so long is beyond belief.
"At heart, critical literacy theory is an ideological construct. It is
politics disguised as education."
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/paulkelly/index.php/theaustralian/comme
nts/a_clarion_call_for_the_sake_of_our_kids/
Your assertion presumes incorrectly that somebody is trying to hide something
nefarious.
Critical literacy theory is not disguised. It is education in a political
reality for self-improvement. So what? Big deal.
The only surprise is that some people actually believe literacy can be taught
completely outside of politics. Only those who haven't woken to reality
themselves would see critical literacy theory as a failure.
Critical literacy theory assumes children are not robots to be programmed, but
are capable of creative progressive thought leading to truth by themselves, and
all they need is to be shown the tools for thinking and taught how they are used.
So dump your baggage and get on the evolutionary train where you should be, or
keep making noises like a baboon -whatever.
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the dang
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| User: "Stan" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
09 Oct 2006 10:55:55 PM |
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"dangdangdoodle" <notea_thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:lnBWg.4524$P7.930@edtnps90...
(snipped)
Critical literacy theory is not disguised. It is education in a political
reality for self-improvement. So what? Big deal.
I would have thought someone with your advanced education would have noticed
the mistake in the sentence. It should have been written as 'Critical
Literary Theory ' not 'Literacy'. It wasn't my position to correct
someone else's writing so I guessed the knowledgeable one's would have
picked it up.
Basically the whole point is that you don't teach schoolchildren partisan
politics in Literature That is for those going on to university where they
can then choose the subject to study if they are interested. It then
becomes an interesting common room intellectual discussion whether
Shakespeare was 'sexist' in his writing...but that's all.
Since the 1960s this Gramsci program of anti-establishment teaching has been
carried out throughout the Western world without parents knowing what was
going on.
It's surprising to me that it is only now that someone in politics has
noticed and decided to do something about it.
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| User: "dangdangdoodle" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
10 Oct 2006 04:45:49 AM |
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In article <fREWg.44712$rP1.14569@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
"dangdangdoodle" <notea_thanks@islandnet.com> wrote in message
news:lnBWg.4524$P7.930@edtnps90...
(snipped)
Critical literacy theory is not disguised. It is education in a political
reality for self-improvement. So what? Big deal.
I would have thought someone with your advanced education would have noticed
the mistake in the sentence. It should have been written as 'Critical
Literary Theory ' not 'Literacy'. It wasn't my position to correct
someone else's writing so I guessed the knowledgeable one's would have
picked it up.
You are mistaken. The term in focus is 'Critical Literacy Theory ' not
'Literary'. Are you trying to weasel out of your original statements in such
manner?
Basically the whole point is that you don't teach schoolchildren partisan
politics in Literature That is for those going on to university where they
can then choose the subject to study if they are interested. It then
becomes an interesting common room intellectual discussion whether
Shakespeare was 'sexist' in his writing...but that's all.
Since the 1960s this Gramsci program of anti-establishment teaching has been
carried out throughout the Western world without parents knowing what was
going on.
It's surprising to me that it is only now that someone in politics has
noticed and decided to do something about it.
"... critical literacy movement ... says: "Key aspects... include
deconstructing texts; no longer considering texts to be timeless, universal or
unbiased; focusing on the beliefs and values of the composer; and working for
social equity and change."
Children are going to be taught history either way, regardless. You want them to
be taught that the history they are taught is absolute truth. On the contrary we
know for fact that history is wrote by the winners and there are many versions.
"Critical Literacy Theory" teaches them to be critical about what they read, and
not just act like empty vessels. If they are not taught this way while young,
they will not develop their ability to think critically to the degree that they
could.
Again. CLT is NOT teaching partisan politics to kids. Established teaching is.
CLT teaches them to consider where the author is coming from, etc. Establishment
models are basically rout memorization bs that somebody else thought was right.
You are assbackwards on this.
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the dang
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| User: "cramerj" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
09 Oct 2006 09:04:18 PM |
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dangdangdoodle wrote:
In article <mcAWg.44505$rP1.41640@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Finally waking up. Why it took so long is beyond belief.
"At heart, critical literacy theory is an ideological construct. It is
politics disguised as education."
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/paulkelly/index.php/theaustralian/comme
nts/a_clarion_call_for_the_sake_of_our_kids/
Your assertion presumes incorrectly that somebody is trying to hide something
nefarious.
Critical literacy theory is not disguised. It is education in a political
reality for self-improvement. So what? Big deal.
The only surprise is that some people actually believe literacy can be taught
completely outside of politics. Only those who haven't woken to reality
themselves would see critical literacy theory as a failure.
Critical literacy theory assumes children are not robots to be programmed, but
are capable of creative progressive thought leading to truth by themselves, and
all they need is to be shown the tools for thinking and taught how they are used.
So dump your baggage and get on the evolutionary train where you should be, or
keep making noises like a baboon -whatever.
Learning to read "see spot the dog" is political ?
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
10 Oct 2006 05:52:21 PM |
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cramerj said:
Learning to read "see spot the dog" is political ?
A right wing Luddite regressive education teaches you to avoid thinking and
to blindly accept idiotic superstition over science. To worship imaginary
spirits who live in the sky.
Look at Stan Pierce for example. He's gullible, a lazy ***** sucker,
seething with hatred and an obvious racist. Every Sunday, Stan gets down on
his knees and worships his imaginary friend in the sky.
The best job he ever had was managing a bar back in 1950.
He's the product of a right wing regressive education system.
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| User: "Peter White" |
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| Title: Re: The failure of " progressive" education |
09 Oct 2006 09:14:49 PM |
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cramerj wrote:
dangdangdoodle wrote:
In article <mcAWg.44505$rP1.41640@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
"Stan" <ecreipt@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
Finally waking up. Why it took so long is beyond belief.
"At heart, critical literacy theory is an ideological construct. It is
politics disguised as education."
http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/paulkelly/index.php/theaustralian/comme
nts/a_clarion_call_for_the_sake_of_our_kids/
Your assertion presumes incorrectly that somebody is trying to hide something
nefarious.
Critical literacy theory is not disguised. It is education in a political
reality for self-improvement. So what? Big deal.
The only surprise is that some people actually believe literacy can be taught
completely outside of politics. Only those who haven't woken to reality
themselves would see critical literacy theory as a failure.
Critical literacy theory assumes children are not robots to be programmed, but
are capable of creative progressive thought leading to truth by themselves, and
all they need is to be shown the tools for thinking and taught how they are used.
So dump your baggage and get on the evolutionary train where you should be, or
keep making noises like a baboon -whatever.
Learning to read "see spot the dog" is political ?
It sure is ..... the English text purchasers were bought off by the
dalmatian breeders.
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