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"Harry Hope" |
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11 Jan 2008 08:35:20 AM |
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...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
Analysis by Gareth Porter*
WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (IPS) -
Despite the official and media portrayal of the incident in the Strait
of Hormuz early Monday morning as a serious threat to U.S. ships from
Iranian speedboats that nearly resulted in a "battle at sea", new
information over the past three days suggests that the incident did
not involve such a threat and that no U.S. commander was on the verge
of firing at the Iranian boats.
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
That suggests that the threatening message may not have come in
immediately after the initial warning to Iranian boats from a U.S.
warship, as appears to do on the video.
Also unraveling the story is testimony from a former U.S. naval
officer that non-official chatter is common on the channel used to
communicate with the Iranian boats and testimony from the commander of
the U.S. 5th fleet that the commanding officers of the U.S. warships
involved in the incident never felt the need to warn the Iranians of a
possible use of force against them.
Further undermining the U.S. version of the incident is a video
released by Iran Thursday showing an Iranian naval officer on a small
boat hailing one of three ships.
The Iranian commander is heard to say, "Coalition warship 73, this is
Iranian navy patrol boat."
He then requests the "side numbers" of the U.S. warships.
A voice with a U.S. accent replies, "This is coalition warship 73. I
am operating in international waters."
The dramatic version of the incident reported by U.S. news media
throughout Tuesday and Wednesday suggested that Iranian speedboats,
apparently belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard navy, had made
moves to attack three U.S. warships entering the Strait and that the
U.S. commander had been on the verge of firing at them when they broke
off.
Typical of the network coverage was a story by ABC's Jonathan Karl
quoting a Pentagon official as saying the Iranian boats "were a
heartbeat from being blown up".
Bush administration officials seized on the incident to advance the
portrayal of Iran as a threat and to strike a more threatening stance
toward Iran.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley declared Wednesday that the
incident "almost involved an exchange of fire between our forces and
Iranian forces".
President George W. Bush declared during his Mideast trip Wednesday
that there would be "serious consequences" if Iran attacked U.S. ships
and repeated his assertion that Iran is "a threat to world peace".
Central to the depiction of the incident as involving a threat to U.S.
warships is a mysterious pair of messages that the sailor who heard
them onboard immediately interpreted as saying, "I am coming at
you...", and "You will explode after a few minutes."
But the voice in the audio clearly said "I am coming to you," and the
second message was much less clear.
Furthermore, as the New York Times noted Thursday, the recording
carries no ambient noise, such as the sounds of a motor, the sea or
wind, which should have been audible if the broadcast had been made
from one of the five small Iranian boats.
A veteran U.S. naval officer who had served as a surface warfare
officer aboard a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Gulf sent a message to the
New York Times on-line column "The Lede" Wednesday pointing out that
in the Persian Gulf, the "bridge-to-bridge" radio channel used to
communicate between ships "is like a bad CB radio" with many people
using it for "hurling racial slurs" and "threats".
The former officer wrote that his "first thought" was that the message
"might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft".
Pentagon officials admitted to the Times that they could not rule out
that the broadcast might have come from another source
The five Iran boats involved were hardly in a position to harm the
three U.S. warships.
Although Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman described the Iranian boats
as "highly maneuverable patrol craft" that were "visibly armed," he
failed to note that these are tiny boats carrying only a two- or
three-man crew and that they are normally armed only with machine guns
that could do only surface damage to a U.S. ship.
The only boat that was close enough to be visible to the U.S. ships
was unarmed, as an enlarged photo of the boat from the navy video
clearly shows.
The U.S. warships were not concerned about the possibility that the
Iranian boats were armed with heavier weapons capable of doing serious
damage.
Asked by a reporter whether any of the vessels had anti-ship missiles
or torpedoes, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, Commander of the 5th Fleet,
answered that none of them had either of those two weapons.
"I didn't get the sense from the reports I was receiving that there
was a sense of being afraid of these five boats," said Cosgriff.
The edited Navy video shows a crewman issuing an initial warning to
approaching boats, but the footage of the boats maneuvering provides
no visual evidence of Iranian boats "making a run on U.S. ships" as
claimed by CBS news Wednesday in its report based on the new video.
Vice Adm. Cosgriff also failed to claim any run toward the U.S. ships
following the initial warning.
Cosgriff suggested that the Iranian boat's manoeuvres were "unduly
provocative" only because of the "aggregate of their manoeuvres, the
radio call and the dropping of objects in the water".
He described the objects dropped by the Iranian boat as being "white,
box-like objects that floated".
That description indicates that the objects were clearly not mines,
which would have been dark and would have sunk immediately.
Cosgriff indicated that the ships merely "passed by them safely"
without bothering to investigate whether they were explosives of some
kind.
The apparent absence of concern on the part of the U.S. ships'
commanding officers about the floating objects suggests that they
recognised that the Iranians were engaging in a symbolic gesture
having to do with laying mines.
Cosgriff's answers to reporters' questions indicated that the story
promoted earlier by Pentagon officials that one of the U.S . ships
came very close to firing at the Iranian boats seriously distorted
what actually happened.
When Cosgriff was asked whether the crew ever gave warning to the
Iranian boats that they "could come under fire", he said the
commanding officers "did not believe they needed to fire warning
shots".
As for the report circulated by at least one Pentagon official to the
media that one of the commanders was "close to firing", Cosgriff
explained that "close to" meant that the commander was "working
through a series of procedures".
He added, "[I]n his mind, he might have been closing in on that
point."
Despite Cosgriff's account, which contradicted earlier Pentagon
portrayals of the incident as a confrontation, not a single news
outlet modified its earlier characterisation of the incident.
After the Cosgriff briefing, Associated Press carried a story that
said, " U.S. forces were taking steps toward firing on the Iranians to
defend themselves, said the U.S. naval commander in the region.
But the boats -- believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's
navy -- turned and moved away, officials said."
That was quite different from what Cosgriff actually said.
In its story covering the Cosgriff briefing, Reuters cited "other
Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity" as saying that
"a U.S. captain was in the process of ordering sailors to open fire
when the Iranian boats moved away" -- a story that Cosgriff had
specifically denied.
______________________________________________
Harry
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11 Jan 2008 08:29:42 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:7lveo3hihp6usr27tuf15l7ug52c5lanqg@4ax.com...
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
Analysis by Gareth Porter*
WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (IPS) -
Despite the official and media portrayal of the incident in the Strait
of Hormuz early Monday morning as a serious threat to U.S. ships from
Iranian speedboats that nearly resulted in a "battle at sea", new
information over the past three days suggests that the incident did
not involve such a threat and that no U.S. commander was on the verge
of firing at the Iranian boats.
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
That suggests that the threatening message may not have come in
immediately after the initial warning to Iranian boats from a U.S.
warship, as appears to do on the video.
Also unraveling the story is testimony from a former U.S. naval
officer that non-official chatter is common on the channel used to
communicate with the Iranian boats and testimony from the commander of
the U.S. 5th fleet that the commanding officers of the U.S. warships
involved in the incident never felt the need to warn the Iranians of a
possible use of force against them.
Further undermining the U.S. version of the incident is a video
released by Iran Thursday showing an Iranian naval officer on a small
boat hailing one of three ships.
The Iranian commander is heard to say, "Coalition warship 73, this is
Iranian navy patrol boat."
He then requests the "side numbers" of the U.S. warships.
A voice with a U.S. accent replies, "This is coalition warship 73. I
am operating in international waters."
The dramatic version of the incident reported by U.S. news media
throughout Tuesday and Wednesday suggested that Iranian speedboats,
apparently belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard navy, had made
moves to attack three U.S. warships entering the Strait and that the
U.S. commander had been on the verge of firing at them when they broke
off.
Typical of the network coverage was a story by ABC's Jonathan Karl
quoting a Pentagon official as saying the Iranian boats "were a
heartbeat from being blown up".
Bush administration officials seized on the incident to advance the
portrayal of Iran as a threat and to strike a more threatening stance
toward Iran.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley declared Wednesday that the
incident "almost involved an exchange of fire between our forces and
Iranian forces".
President George W. Bush declared during his Mideast trip Wednesday
that there would be "serious consequences" if Iran attacked U.S. ships
and repeated his assertion that Iran is "a threat to world peace".
Central to the depiction of the incident as involving a threat to U.S.
warships is a mysterious pair of messages that the sailor who heard
them onboard immediately interpreted as saying, "I am coming at
you...", and "You will explode after a few minutes."
But the voice in the audio clearly said "I am coming to you," and the
second message was much less clear.
Furthermore, as the New York Times noted Thursday, the recording
carries no ambient noise, such as the sounds of a motor, the sea or
wind, which should have been audible if the broadcast had been made
from one of the five small Iranian boats.
A veteran U.S. naval officer who had served as a surface warfare
officer aboard a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Gulf sent a message to the
New York Times on-line column "The Lede" Wednesday pointing out that
in the Persian Gulf, the "bridge-to-bridge" radio channel used to
communicate between ships "is like a bad CB radio" with many people
using it for "hurling racial slurs" and "threats".
The former officer wrote that his "first thought" was that the message
"might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft".
Pentagon officials admitted to the Times that they could not rule out
that the broadcast might have come from another source
The five Iran boats involved were hardly in a position to harm the
three U.S. warships.
Although Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman described the Iranian boats
as "highly maneuverable patrol craft" that were "visibly armed," he
failed to note that these are tiny boats carrying only a two- or
three-man crew and that they are normally armed only with machine guns
that could do only surface damage to a U.S. ship.
The only boat that was close enough to be visible to the U.S. ships
was unarmed, as an enlarged photo of the boat from the navy video
clearly shows.
The U.S. warships were not concerned about the possibility that the
Iranian boats were armed with heavier weapons capable of doing serious
damage.
Asked by a reporter whether any of the vessels had anti-ship missiles
or torpedoes, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, Commander of the 5th Fleet,
answered that none of them had either of those two weapons.
"I didn't get the sense from the reports I was receiving that there
was a sense of being afraid of these five boats," said Cosgriff.
The edited Navy video shows a crewman issuing an initial warning to
approaching boats, but the footage of the boats maneuvering provides
no visual evidence of Iranian boats "making a run on U.S. ships" as
claimed by CBS news Wednesday in its report based on the new video.
Vice Adm. Cosgriff also failed to claim any run toward the U.S. ships
following the initial warning.
Cosgriff suggested that the Iranian boat's manoeuvres were "unduly
provocative" only because of the "aggregate of their manoeuvres, the
radio call and the dropping of objects in the water".
He described the objects dropped by the Iranian boat as being "white,
box-like objects that floated".
That description indicates that the objects were clearly not mines,
which would have been dark and would have sunk immediately.
Cosgriff indicated that the ships merely "passed by them safely"
without bothering to investigate whether they were explosives of some
kind.
The apparent absence of concern on the part of the U.S. ships'
commanding officers about the floating objects suggests that they
recognised that the Iranians were engaging in a symbolic gesture
having to do with laying mines.
Cosgriff's answers to reporters' questions indicated that the story
promoted earlier by Pentagon officials that one of the U.S . ships
came very close to firing at the Iranian boats seriously distorted
what actually happened.
When Cosgriff was asked whether the crew ever gave warning to the
Iranian boats that they "could come under fire", he said the
commanding officers "did not believe they needed to fire warning
shots".
As for the report circulated by at least one Pentagon official to the
media that one of the commanders was "close to firing", Cosgriff
explained that "close to" meant that the commander was "working
through a series of procedures".
He added, "[I]n his mind, he might have been closing in on that
point."
Despite Cosgriff's account, which contradicted earlier Pentagon
portrayals of the incident as a confrontation, not a single news
outlet modified its earlier characterisation of the incident.
After the Cosgriff briefing, Associated Press carried a story that
said, " U.S. forces were taking steps toward firing on the Iranians to
defend themselves, said the U.S. naval commander in the region.
But the boats -- believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's
navy -- turned and moved away, officials said."
That was quite different from what Cosgriff actually said.
In its story covering the Cosgriff briefing, Reuters cited "other
Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity" as saying that
"a U.S. captain was in the process of ordering sailors to open fire
when the Iranian boats moved away" -- a story that Cosgriff had
specifically denied.
______________________________________________
Harry
If this had happened during Clinton's tenure, there would have been rioting
in the streets demanding his impeachment. Now, everyone just shrugs it off,
"Oh, well, what do you expect?"
We are fucked as a country. Any of you who still support this administration
are the ***** stupidest assholes on the planet.
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11 Jan 2008 10:07:35 AM |
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In article <7lveo3hihp6usr27tuf15l7ug52c5lanqg@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
Analysis by Gareth Porter*
WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (IPS) -
Despite the official and media portrayal of the incident in the Strait
of Hormuz early Monday morning as a serious threat to U.S. ships from
Iranian speedboats that nearly resulted in a "battle at sea", new
information over the past three days suggests that the incident did
not involve such a threat and that no U.S. commander was on the verge
of firing at the Iranian boats.
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
That suggests that the threatening message may not have come in
immediately after the initial warning to Iranian boats from a U.S.
warship, as appears to do on the video.
Also unraveling the story is testimony from a former U.S. naval
officer that non-official chatter is common on the channel used to
communicate with the Iranian boats and testimony from the commander of
the U.S. 5th fleet that the commanding officers of the U.S. warships
involved in the incident never felt the need to warn the Iranians of a
possible use of force against them.
Further undermining the U.S. version of the incident is a video
released by Iran Thursday showing an Iranian naval officer on a small
boat hailing one of three ships.
The Iranian commander is heard to say, "Coalition warship 73, this is
Iranian navy patrol boat."
He then requests the "side numbers" of the U.S. warships.
A voice with a U.S. accent replies, "This is coalition warship 73. I
am operating in international waters."
The dramatic version of the incident reported by U.S. news media
throughout Tuesday and Wednesday suggested that Iranian speedboats,
apparently belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard navy, had made
moves to attack three U.S. warships entering the Strait and that the
U.S. commander had been on the verge of firing at them when they broke
off.
Typical of the network coverage was a story by ABC's Jonathan Karl
quoting a Pentagon official as saying the Iranian boats "were a
heartbeat from being blown up".
Bush administration officials seized on the incident to advance the
portrayal of Iran as a threat and to strike a more threatening stance
toward Iran.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley declared Wednesday that the
incident "almost involved an exchange of fire between our forces and
Iranian forces".
President George W. Bush declared during his Mideast trip Wednesday
that there would be "serious consequences" if Iran attacked U.S. ships
and repeated his assertion that Iran is "a threat to world peace".
Central to the depiction of the incident as involving a threat to U.S.
warships is a mysterious pair of messages that the sailor who heard
them onboard immediately interpreted as saying, "I am coming at
you...", and "You will explode after a few minutes."
But the voice in the audio clearly said "I am coming to you," and the
second message was much less clear.
Furthermore, as the New York Times noted Thursday, the recording
carries no ambient noise, such as the sounds of a motor, the sea or
wind, which should have been audible if the broadcast had been made
from one of the five small Iranian boats.
A veteran U.S. naval officer who had served as a surface warfare
officer aboard a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Gulf sent a message to the
New York Times on-line column "The Lede" Wednesday pointing out that
in the Persian Gulf, the "bridge-to-bridge" radio channel used to
communicate between ships "is like a bad CB radio" with many people
using it for "hurling racial slurs" and "threats".
The former officer wrote that his "first thought" was that the message
"might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft".
Pentagon officials admitted to the Times that they could not rule out
that the broadcast might have come from another source
The five Iran boats involved were hardly in a position to harm the
three U.S. warships.
Although Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman described the Iranian boats
as "highly maneuverable patrol craft" that were "visibly armed," he
failed to note that these are tiny boats carrying only a two- or
three-man crew and that they are normally armed only with machine guns
that could do only surface damage to a U.S. ship.
The only boat that was close enough to be visible to the U.S. ships
was unarmed, as an enlarged photo of the boat from the navy video
clearly shows.
The U.S. warships were not concerned about the possibility that the
Iranian boats were armed with heavier weapons capable of doing serious
damage.
Asked by a reporter whether any of the vessels had anti-ship missiles
or torpedoes, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, Commander of the 5th Fleet,
answered that none of them had either of those two weapons.
"I didn't get the sense from the reports I was receiving that there
was a sense of being afraid of these five boats," said Cosgriff.
The edited Navy video shows a crewman issuing an initial warning to
approaching boats, but the footage of the boats maneuvering provides
no visual evidence of Iranian boats "making a run on U.S. ships" as
claimed by CBS news Wednesday in its report based on the new video.
Vice Adm. Cosgriff also failed to claim any run toward the U.S. ships
following the initial warning.
Cosgriff suggested that the Iranian boat's manoeuvres were "unduly
provocative" only because of the "aggregate of their manoeuvres, the
radio call and the dropping of objects in the water".
He described the objects dropped by the Iranian boat as being "white,
box-like objects that floated".
That description indicates that the objects were clearly not mines,
which would have been dark and would have sunk immediately.
Cosgriff indicated that the ships merely "passed by them safely"
without bothering to investigate whether they were explosives of some
kind.
The apparent absence of concern on the part of the U.S. ships'
commanding officers about the floating objects suggests that they
recognised that the Iranians were engaging in a symbolic gesture
having to do with laying mines.
Cosgriff's answers to reporters' questions indicated that the story
promoted earlier by Pentagon officials that one of the U.S . ships
came very close to firing at the Iranian boats seriously distorted
what actually happened.
When Cosgriff was asked whether the crew ever gave warning to the
Iranian boats that they "could come under fire", he said the
commanding officers "did not believe they needed to fire warning
shots".
As for the report circulated by at least one Pentagon official to the
media that one of the commanders was "close to firing", Cosgriff
explained that "close to" meant that the commander was "working
through a series of procedures".
He added, "[I]n his mind, he might have been closing in on that
point."
Despite Cosgriff's account, which contradicted earlier Pentagon
portrayals of the incident as a confrontation, not a single news
outlet modified its earlier characterisation of the incident.
After the Cosgriff briefing, Associated Press carried a story that
said, " U.S. forces were taking steps toward firing on the Iranians to
defend themselves, said the U.S. naval commander in the region.
But the boats -- believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's
navy -- turned and moved away, officials said."
That was quite different from what Cosgriff actually said.
In its story covering the Cosgriff briefing, Reuters cited "other
Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity" as saying that
"a U.S. captain was in the process of ordering sailors to open fire
when the Iranian boats moved away" -- a story that Cosgriff had
specifically denied.
______________________________________________
Harry
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And another "Gulf of Tonkin" phoney-baloney cassus belli is shot in the
*****. POTUS LIES.
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11 Jan 2008 01:59:01 PM |
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Bak Atcha wrote:
In article <7lveo3hihp6usr27tuf15l7ug52c5lanqg@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
Analysis by Gareth Porter*
WASHINGTON, Jan 10 (IPS) -
Despite the official and media portrayal of the incident in the Strait
of Hormuz early Monday morning as a serious threat to U.S. ships from
Iranian speedboats that nearly resulted in a "battle at sea", new
information over the past three days suggests that the incident did
not involve such a threat and that no U.S. commander was on the verge
of firing at the Iranian boats.
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
That suggests that the threatening message may not have come in
immediately after the initial warning to Iranian boats from a U.S.
warship, as appears to do on the video.
Also unraveling the story is testimony from a former U.S. naval
officer that non-official chatter is common on the channel used to
communicate with the Iranian boats and testimony from the commander of
the U.S. 5th fleet that the commanding officers of the U.S. warships
involved in the incident never felt the need to warn the Iranians of a
possible use of force against them.
Further undermining the U.S. version of the incident is a video
released by Iran Thursday showing an Iranian naval officer on a small
boat hailing one of three ships.
The Iranian commander is heard to say, "Coalition warship 73, this is
Iranian navy patrol boat."
He then requests the "side numbers" of the U.S. warships.
A voice with a U.S. accent replies, "This is coalition warship 73. I
am operating in international waters."
The dramatic version of the incident reported by U.S. news media
throughout Tuesday and Wednesday suggested that Iranian speedboats,
apparently belonging to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard navy, had made
moves to attack three U.S. warships entering the Strait and that the
U.S. commander had been on the verge of firing at them when they broke
off.
Typical of the network coverage was a story by ABC's Jonathan Karl
quoting a Pentagon official as saying the Iranian boats "were a
heartbeat from being blown up".
Bush administration officials seized on the incident to advance the
portrayal of Iran as a threat and to strike a more threatening stance
toward Iran.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley declared Wednesday that the
incident "almost involved an exchange of fire between our forces and
Iranian forces".
President George W. Bush declared during his Mideast trip Wednesday
that there would be "serious consequences" if Iran attacked U.S. ships
and repeated his assertion that Iran is "a threat to world peace".
Central to the depiction of the incident as involving a threat to U.S.
warships is a mysterious pair of messages that the sailor who heard
them onboard immediately interpreted as saying, "I am coming at
you...", and "You will explode after a few minutes."
But the voice in the audio clearly said "I am coming to you," and the
second message was much less clear.
Furthermore, as the New York Times noted Thursday, the recording
carries no ambient noise, such as the sounds of a motor, the sea or
wind, which should have been audible if the broadcast had been made
from one of the five small Iranian boats.
A veteran U.S. naval officer who had served as a surface warfare
officer aboard a U.S. Navy destroyer in the Gulf sent a message to the
New York Times on-line column "The Lede" Wednesday pointing out that
in the Persian Gulf, the "bridge-to-bridge" radio channel used to
communicate between ships "is like a bad CB radio" with many people
using it for "hurling racial slurs" and "threats".
The former officer wrote that his "first thought" was that the message
"might not have even come from one of the Iranian craft".
Pentagon officials admitted to the Times that they could not rule out
that the broadcast might have come from another source
The five Iran boats involved were hardly in a position to harm the
three U.S. warships.
Although Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman described the Iranian boats
as "highly maneuverable patrol craft" that were "visibly armed," he
failed to note that these are tiny boats carrying only a two- or
three-man crew and that they are normally armed only with machine guns
that could do only surface damage to a U.S. ship.
The only boat that was close enough to be visible to the U.S. ships
was unarmed, as an enlarged photo of the boat from the navy video
clearly shows.
The U.S. warships were not concerned about the possibility that the
Iranian boats were armed with heavier weapons capable of doing serious
damage.
Asked by a reporter whether any of the vessels had anti-ship missiles
or torpedoes, Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, Commander of the 5th Fleet,
answered that none of them had either of those two weapons.
"I didn't get the sense from the reports I was receiving that there
was a sense of being afraid of these five boats," said Cosgriff.
The edited Navy video shows a crewman issuing an initial warning to
approaching boats, but the footage of the boats maneuvering provides
no visual evidence of Iranian boats "making a run on U.S. ships" as
claimed by CBS news Wednesday in its report based on the new video.
Vice Adm. Cosgriff also failed to claim any run toward the U.S. ships
following the initial warning.
Cosgriff suggested that the Iranian boat's manoeuvres were "unduly
provocative" only because of the "aggregate of their manoeuvres, the
radio call and the dropping of objects in the water".
He described the objects dropped by the Iranian boat as being "white,
box-like objects that floated".
That description indicates that the objects were clearly not mines,
which would have been dark and would have sunk immediately.
Cosgriff indicated that the ships merely "passed by them safely"
without bothering to investigate whether they were explosives of some
kind.
The apparent absence of concern on the part of the U.S. ships'
commanding officers about the floating objects suggests that they
recognised that the Iranians were engaging in a symbolic gesture
having to do with laying mines.
Cosgriff's answers to reporters' questions indicated that the story
promoted earlier by Pentagon officials that one of the U.S . ships
came very close to firing at the Iranian boats seriously distorted
what actually happened.
When Cosgriff was asked whether the crew ever gave warning to the
Iranian boats that they "could come under fire", he said the
commanding officers "did not believe they needed to fire warning
shots".
As for the report circulated by at least one Pentagon official to the
media that one of the commanders was "close to firing", Cosgriff
explained that "close to" meant that the commander was "working
through a series of procedures".
He added, "[I]n his mind, he might have been closing in on that
point."
Despite Cosgriff's account, which contradicted earlier Pentagon
portrayals of the incident as a confrontation, not a single news
outlet modified its earlier characterisation of the incident.
After the Cosgriff briefing, Associated Press carried a story that
said, " U.S. forces were taking steps toward firing on the Iranians to
defend themselves, said the U.S. naval commander in the region.
But the boats -- believed to be from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard's
navy -- turned and moved away, officials said."
That was quite different from what Cosgriff actually said.
In its story covering the Cosgriff briefing, Reuters cited "other
Pentagon officials, speaking on condition of anonymity" as saying that
"a U.S. captain was in the process of ordering sailors to open fire
when the Iranian boats moved away" -- a story that Cosgriff had
specifically denied.
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Harry
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And another "Gulf of Tonkin" phoney-baloney cassus belli is shot in the
*****. POTUS LIES.
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"We have some planes." ==> "We have some boats." WTF is next?
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| User: "theloneranger100" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 03:05:15 PM |
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The Iranian "PROVOCATION" is no more credible than those "bin Laden
tapes" the Bushies trot out every month or so to scare Americans back
into the FEAR mode.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 10:41:14 AM |
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On Jan 11, 9:35=EF=BF=BDam, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=3D40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
Iranian newscasts are reporting the incident as a hoax also. They are
saying the same thing - this is old footage, previously shown on the
Iranian newscasts, with new audio added.
It must be a Bush person who put this bogus tape together as it is
done in such a totally unprofessional manner. Why didn't Bush hire a
professional film editor?
I hope Bush would have grown-up by now and learned that his tactics do
not work - just as they have never worked in the past. He always gets
caught. The Bush administration is, again, trying to pull a fast one
on us to verify him and Cheney's plans to bomb Iran.
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| User: "Don Gabacho" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 03:38:17 PM |
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On Jan 11, 11:41 am, wrote:
On Jan 11, 9:35=EF=BF=BDam, Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=3D40747
Official Version of Naval Incident Starts to Unravel
The new information that appears to contradict the original version of
the incident includes the revelation that U.S. officials spliced the
audio recording of an alleged Iranian threat onto to a videotape of
the incident.
Iranian newscasts are reporting the incident as a hoax also. They are
saying the same thing - this is old footage, previously shown on the
Iranian newscasts, with new audio added.
It must be a Bush person who put this bogus tape together...
It has already been admitted at least as reported by CBS's Katie Curic
though it remains unclear just who, a spokesperson for Bush or the
Navy, concluded "it was what they were up to anyway."
as it is
done in such a totally unprofessional manner.
Yes. Having been taken in myself by the original reports, on the very
eve of the New Hampshire primaries' voting, recalling the statements
"We are coming to (for) you" and "You will explode in 'five' minutes"
could not have been made from any boat speeding about as they were in
those seas.
Moreover the claim that "five" was 'inaudible' was plainly heard on
the CBS Evening News at least by me the first time I saw it broadcast,
on the very eve of New Hampshire's vote casting.
By coincidence I had just read an interview conducted by the U.S.
State Department on the U.S. State Department's own web site
(regarding the violence occurring on the U.S./Mexican border) and it
too was even littered with "inaudible"-s.
Within the very offices of the State Department of the United States
of America, a nation which put men on the moon, the U.S. government
cannot even record a scheduled interview?
Could not have the interview backed up with a short-hand transcriber?
Could not have even asked just what was said if indeed "inaudible"?
B.S.!
Why didn't Bush hire a
professional film editor?
I hope Bush would have grown-up by now and learned that his tactics do
not work -
The admission "that's what they were up to anyway" is what I would
hear in Mexico for some twenty-years among all its so-called
journalists, marketers, survey firms, etc. to rationalize their
flagrant fabrications.
So, much so, that whenever I hear Bush (and now Democrats too) rely on
and even taut the same bunk, even prior to 9/11, it only reinforces my
old suspicion that Bush, during his absence from the National Guard,
must have been in Mexico apprenticing the methodology (and worse)
under non-other than Bush Sr's partner in oil scams the then President
of Mexico and crook Lopez Portillo.
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| User: "ChristsNemesis" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 05:24:40 PM |
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HERE'S A GIFT FOR THE IRANIANS ...
http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm12.swf
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| User: "Quran 47.4 When you meet the unbelievers in Jihad, chop off their heads!" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 06:00:28 PM |
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On Jan 11, 6:24 pm, ChristsNemesis <perryneh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
HERE'S A GIFT FOR THE IRANIANS ...
http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm12.swf
OMG!! This is GREAT!! Kudos to whoever made this!!
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| User: "jamiil" |
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| Title: Re: ...The fake U.S./Iranian naval incident |
11 Jan 2008 06:12:50 PM |
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THE USA AND THE WORLD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT4OlFFgV54&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1l4aWlz4kI&feature=user
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