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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Captain Compassion"
Date: 21 Jun 2006 08:58:54 PM
Object: The False Alert of Global Warming
The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell
Published 5/18/2005 12:06:43 AM
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8177
Global warming became the environmentalists' cause celebre in the late
1980s. They had turned on a dime, for only a few years earlier global
cooling had been their mantra. They didn't know what had caused that
earlier "cooling trend," but its effects were sure to be bad. "The
drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only in ten
years," Newsweek reported in 1975. "The resulting famines could be
catastrophic."
Now warming is the specter, with its melting glaciers, inundated
cities, and the Gulf Stream reversing course. But I doubt if the
enviros can keep on fomenting the scare much longer. It has been based
on little more than extrapolated temperatures and spurious charts.
What are the facts? Surface temperature measurements show a global
warming period from about 1910 to 1940, followed by a cooling period
until 1975. Since then we have experienced a slight warming trend.
These three periods add up to a surface-temperature increase of
perhaps one-degree Fahrenheit for the entire 20th century.
Satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures do not agree,
however. They began only in 1979, and have shown no significant
increase over the last quarter century. Balloon readings did show an
abrupt, one-time increase in 1976-1977. Since then, those temperatures
have stabilized.
Environmentalists believe that the 20th-century warming was caused by
human activity, primarily the burning of fossil fuels. That produces
carbon dioxide -- one of several "greenhouse gases." The argument is
that their release into the atmosphere wraps the Earth in an invisible
shroud. This makes the escape of heat into outer space slightly more
difficult than its initial absorption from sunlight. This is the
Greenhouse Effect. So the Earth warms up.
But whether man-made carbon-dioxide emissions have caused measurable
temperature increases over the last 30 years is debated. Carbon
dioxide is itself a benign and essential substance, incidentally.
Without it, plants would not grow, and without plant-life animals
could not live. Any increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
causes plants, trees, and forests to grow more abundantly. It should
be a tree-hugger's delight.
The surface data suggest that man-made carbon dioxide has not in fact
increased global temperatures. From 1940 to 1975, coal-fired plants
emitted fumes with great abandon and without restraint by Greens. Yet
the Earth cooled slightly in that time. And if man-made global warming
is real, atmospheric as well as surface temperatures should have
increased steadily. But they haven't. There was merely that one-time
increase, possibly caused by a solar anomaly. In addition, an "urban
heat island effect" has been identified. Build a tarmac runway near a
weather station, and the nearby temperature readings will go up.
GLOBAL WARMING BECAME THE FOCUS of activism at the time of the Earth
Summit in Rio, in 1992. Bush the elder signed a climate-change treaty,
with signatories agreeing to reduce carbon dioxide emissions below
1990 levels. The details were worked out in Kyoto, Japan. But America
was the principal target, everyone knew it, and Clinton didn't submit
the treaty to the Senate for ratification. The 1990 date had been
carefully chosen. Emissions in Germany and the Soviet Union were still
high; Germany had just absorbed East Germany, then still using
inefficient coal-fired plants. After they were modernized, Germany's
emissions dropped, so the demand that they be reduced below 1990
levels had already been met and became an exercise in painless
moralizing.
The same was true for the Soviet Union. After its collapse, in 1991,
economic activity fell by about one-third. As for France, most of its
electricity comes from nuclear power, which has no global-warming
effects but has been demonized for other reasons. If the enviros were
serious about reducing carbon dioxide they would be urging us to build
nuclear power plants, but that is not on their agenda. They want
windmills (whether or not they kill golden eagles).
Under the Kyoto Protocol, U.S. emissions would have to be cut so much
that economic depression would have been the only certain outcome. We
were expected to reduce energy use by about 35 percent within ten
years, which might have meant eliminating one-third of all cars. You
can see why the enviros fell in love with the idea.
Third World countries are exempt, as are China and India. Australia,
like the U.S., has refused to ratify. Thirty-five countries, mostly in
Europe, have agreed to reduce emissions. But there are no enforcement
mechanisms, the potential for cheating is unlimited, and the principal
irritation today is that the main enemy, the United States, slipped
the noose.
Any unusual event is now likely to be linked to climate change. Within
24 hours of the tsunami in December, the CBS evening news displayed a
graphic that had only the words "global warming" and "tsunamis."
Citing unnamed "climate experts," Dan Rather intoned:
Climate experts warned today that tsunamis could become more common
around the world and more dangerous. They cite a number of factors,
including a creeping rise in sea levels believed to come from global
warming and growing populations along coastal areas.
The claim that the globe is warming depends on knowing earlier
temperatures. Such information can only be obtained indirectly.
Climate scientists depend on tree rings, bore holes, ice cores, the
skeletons of marine organisms. The graph that was most effective in
persuading policy-makers became known as the hockey stick. The
temperature line is mostly horizontal, perhaps declining slightly for
900 years, then abruptly heading up into a warmer range over the last
100 years. The 900 years are the handle, the last hundred are the
blade.
THE "HOCKEY STICK" was first published in 1998 by the climatologist
Michael Mann of the University of Virginia, and co-authors. It was
immediately used by the United Nations to promote the idea that we
have an unprecedented crisis on our hands. But the chart also aroused
suspicions, because for years there had been a broad agreement among
climatologists that global temperatures had not been as unvarying as
the chart implied. There had been something called the Medieval Warm
Period, which persisted until the "Little Ice Age" took hold in the
14th and 15th centuries. Both periods lasted for several hundred
years.
The warmer period, accompanied by a flowering of prosperity,
knowledge, and art in Europe, seems to have been wholly beneficial.
Agricultural yields increased, marshes and swamps -- today called
wetlands -- dried up, removing the breeding grounds of
malaria-spreading mosquitoes. Infant mortality fell, the population
grew. Greenland was settled by the Vikings, who reached a peak of
prosperity in the 12th and 13th centuries. They began declining in the
late 14th century, with the colder weather. Then the settlements
perished.
The warm period has been recognized in the climate textbooks for
decades, and it was an obvious embarrassment to those claiming that
the 20th-century warming was a true anomaly. Also, the earlier changes
occurred when fossil-fuel consumption could hardly have been the
culprit. They would prove that warming could occur without human
intervention.
Consider, in this context, the experience of David Deming with the
University of Oklahoma's College of Geosciences. In 1995, he published
a paper in the journal Science, reviewing the evidence showing that
bore hole data showed a warming of about one degree Celsius in North
America over the last 100 to 150 years. Deming continues:
With the publication of the article in Science, I gained significant
credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change.
They thought I was one of them, someone who would pervert science in
the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his
guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and
global warming sent me an astonishing email that said, "We have to get
rid of the Medieval Warm Period."
Whether intentionally or not, that is exactly what Mann's "hockey
stick" did.
Once doomsayers convince us that we are experiencing something new,
they feel free to claim that we face a catastrophe. They can
extrapolate from the minor and beneficial warming that we may (or may
not) have experienced in the last generation and argue that
temperatures will keep on rising until the ice caps melt and cities
flood.
Then the hockey stick was challenged by a Toronto minerals consultant
named Stephen McIntyre, who, remarkably, had no credentials as a
climatologist. He spent two years and $5,000 of his own money trying
to uncover Mann's methods. Mann at first did give him some
information, but then cut him off saying he didn't have time to
respond to "every frivolous note" from nonscientists. McIntyre was
joined by another Canadian, and in 2003 they published a critical
article. Mann had "used flawed methods that yield meaningless
results."
In a rebuttal, Mann revealed new information that had not appeared in
his original paper. It had been published in the British journal
Nature, which later published a correction. McIntyre thinks there may
be more errors but still doesn't know how the graph was generated.
Mann has refused to release his secret formula. A Wall Street Journal
reporter doggedly pursued the matter and contacted Mann. He told the
reporter: "Giving them the algorithm would be giving in to the
intimidation tactics that these people are engaged in."
Michael Mann now concedes it is plausible that past temperature
variations may have been larger than thought. Fred Singer, a leading
critic of warming scares and founder of the Science and Environmental
Policy Project, says that "the hockey stick is dead." He was recently
nominated by warmists to receive the First Annual Flat Earth Award for
being "the year's most prominent global warming denier." Nominated
along with him were Rush Limbaugh and Michael Crichton, the thriller
writer.
IN HIS RECENT BOOK State of Fear, Crichton unexpectedly emerged as a
powerful critic of modish conclusions about global warming. He studied
the subject for a couple of years before writing his recent book, to
which he added an appendix comparing global-warming science to
eugenics. Earlier, in a speech at Caltech, he had compared it to the
search for extraterrestrials (which he says is based on bogus
science). There may have been some warming as a part of a natural
trend, Crichton allows. But "no one knows how much of the present
trend might be natural or how much man-made."
"Open and frank discussion" of global warming is being suppressed, he
believes. One indication is that "so many of the outspoken critics of
global warming are retired professors." They can speak freely because
they are no longer seeking grants or facing colleagues "whose grant
applications and career advancement may be jeopardized by their
criticisms."
Environmentalists have become adept at de-legitimizing their opponents
by saying they are "supported by industry," but studies funded by
environmentalist organizations are "every bit as biased," Crichton
added. They have become a special interest like any other, with
legislative goals and millions spent on lobbying.
Myron Ebell, who works for the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI)
in Washington, D.C., one of the few groups that examines
global-warming claims skeptically, says that environmentalism is now a
$1.5 billion industry. In Washington, skeptics (like himself) are
outnumbered by global warming advocates perhaps by a margin of 300 to
one. Yet CEI, greatly underfunded by comparison with groups like the
Sierra Club, tends to be characterized in the media as "industry
supported." The enviros' problem is that they have "everything going
for them except the facts," Ebell says.
Some environmentalists have begun to echo the complaint that they are
a special interest. A few months ago, Michael Shellenberger and Ted
Norhaus wrote a widely circulated 14,000-word essay called "The Death
of Environmentalism." It "provoked a civil war among tree huggers,"
Nicholas D. Kristof wrote in the New York Times. In effect, it was a
cry of anguish: Why have we been unable to win on our top issues,
especially global warming? They called it "the world's most serious
ecological crisis," which "may kill hundreds of millions of human
beings over the next century." They looked back to their golden age in
the 1970s -- the time when they began "using science to define the
problem as 'environmental.'"
"Using science" is what they were doing, all right, and the rest of us
were blinded by it, for about 25 years. But the problem wasn't that
the use of science had led them to propose unattractive "technical
fixes," when they should have been appealing to something larger in
the human spirit. The problem was that their science was never very
good to begin with. And as its inadequacies became more apparent,
their scare tactics became more apparent, too.
To keep the money rolling in, environmentalists always need a crisis.
It looks as though they will have to cook up a new one.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 21 Jun 2006 10:08:37 PM
Captain -- a lot of the statements in here are wrong.
1. Let's begin with the statement about global warming becoming a
"cause celebre in the 1980s." I attended the School of Natural
Resources at the University of Michigan in the 1960s and early 1970s,
and my smartest prof already was giving lectures on this issue.
Admittedly, this was only seen as being one environmental problem of
many in the 1960s, but a number of scientists were aware of it.
The development of the scientific theory on global warming dates back
to the 1890s, when the Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius (who won a
Nobel prize for other work on electrolytes) first published a series of
calculations showing how much warming a rise in CO2 concentrations
ought to cause.
However, some of the insights on CO2 and atmosphere that Svante was
dealing with in his writings on "greenhouse" warming actually were made
in the 1840s or before.
The theory got a big confirmatory boost in the late 1950s as a result
of CO2 measurements made at Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii in research
conducted for the Internationaly Geophysical Year.
Dale Christiansen is in many ways an annoying writer, and part of his
book on the history of global warming is devoted to irrelevant
anecdotes -- stuff about London air pollution and tall factory stacks
that were adopted during the early years of the Industrial Revolution.
But about halfway through "Global Warming," Christiansen starts to
discuss the work of Arrhenius and the French and American researchers
who were looking into the climate change question before Arrhenius.
You should look at the book, Captain, instead of spouting off about the
"cause celebre" of the 1980s.
I also recommend Tim Flannery, "The Weather Makers," for a book that's
more scientifically focused and up to date on the latest climate
projections.
2. As for the anomaly of the climate cooling in the 1945-1970 period -
the presence of aerosols and particulates in the atmosphere from air
pollution, volcanic activity and/or WWII bombing raids appears to
account for it.
3. The Upper atmosphere/ lower atmosphere anomalies in temperature
readings have recently been accounted for. Turns out satellites that
seemed to be measuring the upper atmosphere were lower in their orbits
than people realized. When the altitude of the orbits were corrected
for, the anomalies went away.
4. Your author below raises the issue that carbon dioxide is "a benign
substance."
As an argument, this is a red herring. It's like saying that "life
itself depends on chemicals." Which it does, obviously, but WHICH
chemicals?
Whether almost any substance you want to name is "benign" or malign for
human welfare and the protection of natural ecosystems depends greatly
on LOCATION and DOSE or CONCENTRATION.
Thus water, good old H2O, is not only "benign" but essential to life.
But if you're immersed in an environment that is 100% water, and you
stay there for long, you'll die.
Oxygen is another "benign" or at least essential element for human
life. But if the atmosphere were mostly oxygen and not largely
composed on nitrogen, a good many living creatures would be subject to
rapid uncontrolled oxidation -- i.e. they'd burst into flames.
FAT actually is important for brain functioning in the right doses, but
too much fat in the diet .. etc. etc. etc. SUNLIGHT is essential to
providing energy for all life on earth -- but expose yourself to too
much sunlight for too long, and you dry up and probably get cancer long
term.
PROPORTION is a good deal of what we're talking about when we talk
about whether CO2 in the atmosphere is good or bad for human beings
living on the planet.
With no CO2 in the atmosphere at all, photosynthesis shuts down and the
average global temperature drops below freezing - possibly annihilating
most life on earth. We don't want that. Even Ross Gelbspan doesn't
want that. With too much CO2, on the other hand, you get greenhouse
warming.
What's best for human beings and natural world is Aristotle's "golden
mean," some biologically friendly "median" value rather than CO2
concentrations at the extremes.
-----------------------------
Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell
Published 5/18/2005 12:06:43 AM
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8177

Global warming became the environmentalists' cause celebre in the late
1980s. They had turned on a dime, for only a few years earlier global
cooling had been their mantra. They didn't know what had caused that
earlier "cooling trend," but its effects were sure to be bad. "The
drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only in ten
years," Newsweek reported in 1975. "The resulting famines could be
catastrophic."

Now warming is the specter, with its melting glaciers, inundated
cities, and the Gulf Stream reversing course. But I doubt if the
enviros can keep on fomenting the scare much longer. It has been based
on little more than extrapolated temperatures and spurious charts.
What are the facts? Surface temperature measurements show a global
warming period from about 1910 to 1940, followed by a cooling period
until 1975. Since then we have experienced a slight warming trend.
These three periods add up to a surface-temperature increase of
perhaps one-degree Fahrenheit for the entire 20th century.

Satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures do not agree,
however. They began only in 1979, and have shown no significant
increase over the last quarter century. Balloon readings did show an
abrupt, one-time increase in 1976-1977. Since then, those temperatures
have stabilized.

Environmentalists believe that the 20th-century warming was caused by
human activity, primarily the burning of fossil fuels. That produces
carbon dioxide -- one of several "greenhouse gases." The argument is
that their release into the atmosphere wraps the Earth in an invisible
shroud. This makes the escape of heat into outer space slightly more
difficult than its initial absorption from sunlight. This is the
Greenhouse Effect. So the Earth warms up.

But whether man-made carbon-dioxide emissions have caused measurable
temperature increases over the last 30 years is debated. Carbon
dioxide is itself a benign and essential substance, incidentally.
Without it, plants would not grow, and without plant-life animals
could not live. Any increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
causes plants, trees, and forests to grow more abundantly. It should
be a tree-hugger's delight.

The surface data suggest that man-made carbon dioxide has not in fact
increased global temperatures. From 1940 to 1975, coal-fired plants
emitted fumes with great abandon and without restraint by Greens. Yet
the Earth cooled slightly in that time. And if man-made global warming
is real, atmospheric as well as surface temperatures should have
increased steadily. But they haven't. There was merely that one-time
increase, possibly caused by a solar anomaly. In addition, an "urban
heat island effect" has been identified. Build a tarmac runway near a
weather station, and the nearby temperature readings will go up.

GLOBAL WARMING BECAME THE FOCUS of activism at the time of the Earth
Summit in Rio, in 1992. Bush the elder signed a climate-change treaty,
with signatories agreeing to reduce carbon dioxide emissions below
1990 levels. The details were worked out in Kyoto, Japan. But America
was the principal target, everyone knew it, and Clinton didn't submit
the treaty to the Senate for ratification. The 1990 date had been
carefully chosen. Emissions in Germany and the Soviet Union were still
high; Germany had just absorbed East Germany, then still using
inefficient coal-fired plants. After they were modernized, Germany's
emissions dropped, so the demand that they be reduced below 1990
levels had already been met and became an exercise in painless
moralizing.

The same was true for the Soviet Union. After its collapse, in 1991,
economic activity fell by about one-third. As for France, most of its
electricity comes from nuclear power, which has no global-warming
effects but has been demonized for other reasons. If the enviros were
serious about reducing carbon dioxide they would be urging us to build
nuclear power plants, but that is not on their agenda. They want
windmills (whether or not they kill golden eagles).

Under the Kyoto Protocol, U.S. emissions would have to be cut so much
that economic depression would have been the only certain outcome. We
were expected to reduce energy use by about 35 percent within ten
years, which might have meant eliminating one-third of all cars. You
can see why the enviros fell in love with the idea.

Third World countries are exempt, as are China and India. Australia,
like the U.S., has refused to ratify. Thirty-five countries, mostly in
Europe, have agreed to reduce emissions. But there are no enforcement
mechanisms, the potential for cheating is unlimited, and the principal
irritation today is that the main enemy, the United States, slipped
the noose.

Any unusual event is now likely to be linked to climate change. Within
24 hours of the tsunami in December, the CBS evening news displayed a
graphic that had only the words "global warming" and "tsunamis."
Citing unnamed "climate experts," Dan Rather intoned:

Climate experts warned today that tsunamis could become more common
around the world and more dangerous. They cite a number of factors,
including a creeping rise in sea levels believed to come from global
warming and growing populations along coastal areas.

The claim that the globe is warming depends on knowing earlier
temperatures. Such information can only be obtained indirectly.
Climate scientists depend on tree rings, bore holes, ice cores, the
skeletons of marine organisms. The graph that was most effective in
persuading policy-makers became known as the hockey stick. The
temperature line is mostly horizontal, perhaps declining slightly for
900 years, then abruptly heading up into a warmer range over the last
100 years. The 900 years are the handle, the last hundred are the
blade.

THE "HOCKEY STICK" was first published in 1998 by the climatologist
Michael Mann of the University of Virginia, and co-authors. It was
immediately used by the United Nations to promote the idea that we
have an unprecedented crisis on our hands. But the chart also aroused
suspicions, because for years there had been a broad agreement among
climatologists that global temperatures had not been as unvarying as
the chart implied. There had been something called the Medieval Warm
Period, which persisted until the "Little Ice Age" took hold in the
14th and 15th centuries. Both periods lasted for several hundred
years.

The warmer period, accompanied by a flowering of prosperity,
knowledge, and art in Europe, seems to have been wholly beneficial.
Agricultural yields increased, marshes and swamps -- today called
wetlands -- dried up, removing the breeding grounds of
malaria-spreading mosquitoes. Infant mortality fell, the population
grew. Greenland was settled by the Vikings, who reached a peak of
prosperity in the 12th and 13th centuries. They began declining in the
late 14th century, with the colder weather. Then the settlements
perished.

The warm period has been recognized in the climate textbooks for
decades, and it was an obvious embarrassment to those claiming that
the 20th-century warming was a true anomaly. Also, the earlier changes
occurred when fossil-fuel consumption could hardly have been the
culprit. They would prove that warming could occur without human
intervention.

Consider, in this context, the experience of David Deming with the
University of Oklahoma's College of Geosciences. In 1995, he published
a paper in the journal Science, reviewing the evidence showing that
bore hole data showed a warming of about one degree Celsius in North
America over the last 100 to 150 years. Deming continues:

With the publication of the article in Science, I gained significant
credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change.
They thought I was one of them, someone who would pervert science in
the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his
guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and
global warming sent me an astonishing email that said, "We have to get
rid of the Medieval Warm Period."

Whether intentionally or not, that is exactly what Mann's "hockey
stick" did.

Once doomsayers convince us that we are experiencing something new,
they feel free to claim that we face a catastrophe. They can
extrapolate from the minor and beneficial warming that we may (or may
not) have experienced in the last generation and argue that
temperatures will keep on rising until the ice caps melt and cities
flood.

Then the hockey stick was challenged by a Toronto minerals consultant
named Stephen McIntyre, who, remarkably, had no credentials as a
climatologist. He spent two years and $5,000 of his own money trying
to uncover Mann's methods. Mann at first did give him some
information, but then cut him off saying he didn't have time to
respond to "every frivolous note" from nonscientists. McIntyre was
joined by another Canadian, and in 2003 they published a critical
article. Mann had "used flawed methods that yield meaningless
results."

In a rebuttal, Mann revealed new information that had not appeared in
his original paper. It had been published in the British journal
Nature, which later published a correction. McIntyre thinks there may
be more errors but still doesn't know how the graph was generated.
Mann has refused to release his secret formula. A Wall Street Journal
reporter doggedly pursued the matter and contacted Mann. He told the
reporter: "Giving them the algorithm would be giving in to the
intimidation tactics that these people are engaged in."

Michael Mann now concedes it is plausible that past temperature
variations may have been larger than thought. Fred Singer, a leading
critic of warming scares and founder of the Science and Environmental
Policy Project, says that "the hockey stick is dead." He was recently
nominated by warmists to receive the First Annual Flat Earth Award for
being "the year's most prominent global warming denier." Nominated
along with him were Rush Limbaugh and Michael Crichton, the thriller
writer.

IN HIS RECENT BOOK State of Fear, Crichton unexpectedly emerged as a
powerful critic of modish conclusions about global warming. He studied
the subject for a couple of years before writing his recent book, to
which he added an appendix comparing global-warming science to
eugenics. Earlier, in a speech at Caltech, he had compared it to the
search for extraterrestrials (which he says is based on bogus
science). There may have been some warming as a part of a natural
trend, Crichton allows. But "no one knows how much of the present
trend might be natural or how much man-made."

"Open and frank discussion" of global warming is being suppressed, he
believes. One indication is that "so many of the outspoken critics of
global warming are retired professors." They can speak freely because
they are no longer seeking grants or facing colleagues "whose grant
applications and career advancement may be jeopardized by their
criticisms."

Environmentalists have become adept at de-legitimizing their opponents
by saying they are "supported by industry," but studies funded by
environmentalist organizations are "every bit as biased," Crichton
added. They have become a special interest like any other, with
legislative goals and millions spent on lobbying.

Myron Ebell, who works for the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI)
in Washington, D.C., one of the few groups that examines
global-warming claims skeptically, says that environmentalism is now a
$1.5 billion industry. In Washington, skeptics (like himself) are
outnumbered by global warming advocates perhaps by a margin of 300 to
one. Yet CEI, greatly underfunded by comparison with groups like the
Sierra Club, tends to be characterized in the media as "industry
supported." The enviros' problem is that they have "everything going
for them except the facts," Ebell says.

Some environmentalists have begun to echo the complaint that they are
a special interest. A few months ago, Michael Shellenberger and Ted
Norhaus wrote a widely circulated 14,000-word essay called "The Death
of Environmentalism." It "provoked a civil war among tree huggers,"
Nicholas D. Kristof wrote in the New York Times. In effect, it was a
cry of anguish: Why have we been unable to win on our top issues,
especially global warming? They called it "the world's most serious
ecological crisis," which "may kill hundreds of millions of human
beings over the next century." They looked back to their golden age in
the 1970s -- the time when they began "using science to define the
problem as 'environmental.'"

"Using science" is what they were doing, all right, and the rest of us
were blinded by it, for about 25 years. But the problem wasn't that
the use of science had led them to propose unattractive "technical
fixes," when they should have been appealing to something larger in
the human spirit. The problem was that their science was never very
good to begin with. And as its inadequacies became more apparent,
their scare tactics became more apparent, too.

To keep the money rolling in, environmentalists always need a crisis.
It looks as though they will have to cook up a new one.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

.
User: "James"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 21 Jun 2006 10:44:11 PM
"john fernbach" <fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150945717.768302.147050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

Captain -- a lot of the statements in here are wrong.

1. Let's begin with the statement about global warming becoming a
"cause celebre in the 1980s." I attended the School of Natural
Resources at the University of Michigan in the 1960s and early 1970s,
and my smartest prof already was giving lectures on this issue.
Admittedly, this was only seen as being one environmental problem of
many in the 1960s, but a number of scientists were aware of it.


Sorry, but it is a popular "fashionable" subject these days among the
doomsday folks as others have been in the past. The difference today is that
the doomsday folks can't seem to get a guilt complex going like they did in
countless other crusades.
.
User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 01:49:43 PM
Yeah, I hate those damned doomsday folks. The kind of people who
warned us in the 1980s about the dangers of a global AIDS epidemic, for
example. And the kind of people who in the 1980s were complaining
about the US government's support for Saddam Hussein.
What a bunch of gloomy sourpusses!
These pessimists are never right, are they?
-----------------------
The point I want to make is that whether global warming is a "cause
celebre" NOW, it certainly wasn't discovered yesterday.
The fact that it's now suddenly popping into the news as a "cause
celebre" is also partly because the greenhouse denial people, funded
largely by the oil and coal industries, have been busily working to sow
uncertainty and confusion on the subject of global climate change for
the past 15 years.
The basic scientific thinking on the mechanisms involved in CO2-
induced "greenhouse" warming was done during the late 1800s by Svante
Arrhenius, based on intellectual spadework that in some cases dated
back to the 1840s.
OTOH James, you and Captain Compassion are correct in stating that
Steven Schneider and some other environmental thinkers were predicting
a looming ice age in the 1960s and maybe into the early 1970s. I
remember reading some of the articles.
However, my human ecology professor at the University of Michigan in
1968 or 1969 was already talking about the likelihood of CO2-induced
global warming. My prof Leonard based his lectures in large part on
Arrhenius's work on the subject that was published before 1900. And in
part on more recent work on global CO2 levels that occurred at the
Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii in the late 1950s.
This is not new science. And it's not simply a fashionably scary trend
-- "The Left Behind Series" for secular environmentalists.
However, the question of how the climate is determined and how it
changes is very complicated scientifically, as the US National Academy
of Sciences pointed out in reports on the "greenhouse effect" published
in the early 1980s.
Besides CO2 levesl in the atmosphere, there are many other factors
involved in shaping the climate, and the scientific research now being
reported in the media is scrambling to fill in the many holes in our
knowledge of all the variables.
---------------------------------------------------
James wrote:

"john fernbach" <fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150945717.768302.147050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

Captain -- a lot of the statements in here are wrong.

1. Let's begin with the statement about global warming becoming a
"cause celebre in the 1980s." I attended the School of Natural
Resources at the University of Michigan in the 1960s and early 1970s,
and my smartest prof already was giving lectures on this issue.
Admittedly, this was only seen as being one environmental problem of
many in the 1960s, but a number of scientists were aware of it.



Sorry, but it is a popular "fashionable" subject these days among the
doomsday folks as others have been in the past. The difference today is that
the doomsday folks can't seem to get a guilt complex going like they did in
countless other crusades.

.


User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 12:23:05 AM
On 21 Jun 2006 20:08:37 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:

Captain -- a lot of the statements in here are wrong.

1. Let's begin with the statement about global warming becoming a
"cause celebre in the 1980s." I attended the School of Natural
Resources at the University of Michigan in the 1960s and early 1970s,
and my smartest prof already was giving lectures on this issue.
Admittedly, this was only seen as being one environmental problem of
many in the 1960s, but a number of scientists were aware of it.

The biggest worry during the first Earth day in 1970 was cooling not
warming.
"If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees
colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees
colder by the year 2000.This is about twice what it would take to put
us in an ice age." --Kenneth E. F. Watt on air pollution and global
cooling, Earth Day 1970
"Five years is all we have left if we are going to preserve any kind
of quality in the world." -- Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day 1970


The development of the scientific theory on global warming dates back
to the 1890s, when the Swedish chemist Svante Arrhenius (who won a
Nobel prize for other work on electrolytes) first published a series of
calculations showing how much warming a rise in CO2 concentrations
ought to cause.

Even Schneider nixed the effects of CO2 on global temperatures.
"...as more CO2 is added to the atmosphere, the rate of temperature
increase is proportionally less and less, and the increase eventually
levels off." July 9, 1971 issue of Science magazine.
See also The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age,
Ballantine Books, 1977 and Ice: The Ultimate Human Catastrophe,
Continuum Intl Pub Group, 1983.
There is no question that have Science has known about CO2 for a long
time but it didn't become a "problem" until after the global cooling
scare.

However, some of the insights on CO2 and atmosphere that Svante was
dealing with in his writings on "greenhouse" warming actually were made
in the 1840s or before.

The theory got a big confirmatory boost in the late 1950s as a result
of CO2 measurements made at Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii in research
conducted for the Internationaly Geophysical Year.

Dale Christiansen is in many ways an annoying writer, and part of his
book on the history of global warming is devoted to irrelevant
anecdotes -- stuff about London air pollution and tall factory stacks
that were adopted during the early years of the Industrial Revolution.


But about halfway through "Global Warming," Christiansen starts to
discuss the work of Arrhenius and the French and American researchers
who were looking into the climate change question before Arrhenius.
You should look at the book, Captain, instead of spouting off about the
"cause celebre" of the 1980s.

I also recommend Tim Flannery, "The Weather Makers," for a book that's
more scientifically focused and up to date on the latest climate
projections.


2. As for the anomaly of the climate cooling in the 1945-1970 period -
the presence of aerosols and particulates in the atmosphere from air
pollution, volcanic activity and/or WWII bombing raids appears to
account for it.

Wonder what caused the generally lower temperatures of the little ice
age the 30 years war?

3. The Upper atmosphere/ lower atmosphere anomalies in temperature
readings have recently been accounted for. Turns out satellites that
seemed to be measuring the upper atmosphere were lower in their orbits
than people realized. When the altitude of the orbits were corrected
for, the anomalies went away.

4. Your author below raises the issue that carbon dioxide is "a benign
substance."

As an argument, this is a red herring. It's like saying that "life
itself depends on chemicals." Which it does, obviously, but WHICH
chemicals?

Whether almost any substance you want to name is "benign" or malign for
human welfare and the protection of natural ecosystems depends greatly
on LOCATION and DOSE or CONCENTRATION.

Thus water, good old H2O, is not only "benign" but essential to life.
But if you're immersed in an environment that is 100% water, and you
stay there for long, you'll die.

Oxygen is another "benign" or at least essential element for human
life. But if the atmosphere were mostly oxygen and not largely
composed on nitrogen, a good many living creatures would be subject to
rapid uncontrolled oxidation -- i.e. they'd burst into flames.



FAT actually is important for brain functioning in the right doses, but
too much fat in the diet .. etc. etc. etc. SUNLIGHT is essential to
providing energy for all life on earth -- but expose yourself to too
much sunlight for too long, and you dry up and probably get cancer long
term.

PROPORTION is a good deal of what we're talking about when we talk
about whether CO2 in the atmosphere is good or bad for human beings
living on the planet.

With no CO2 in the atmosphere at all, photosynthesis shuts down and the
average global temperature drops below freezing - possibly annihilating
most life on earth. We don't want that. Even Ross Gelbspan doesn't
want that. With too much CO2, on the other hand, you get greenhouse
warming.

What's best for human beings and natural world is Aristotle's "golden
mean," some biologically friendly "median" value rather than CO2
concentrations at the extremes.

-----------------------------



Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell
Published 5/18/2005 12:06:43 AM
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8177

Global warming became the environmentalists' cause celebre in the late
1980s. They had turned on a dime, for only a few years earlier global
cooling had been their mantra. They didn't know what had caused that
earlier "cooling trend," but its effects were sure to be bad. "The
drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only in ten
years," Newsweek reported in 1975. "The resulting famines could be
catastrophic."

Now warming is the specter, with its melting glaciers, inundated
cities, and the Gulf Stream reversing course. But I doubt if the
enviros can keep on fomenting the scare much longer. It has been based
on little more than extrapolated temperatures and spurious charts.
What are the facts? Surface temperature measurements show a global
warming period from about 1910 to 1940, followed by a cooling period
until 1975. Since then we have experienced a slight warming trend.
These three periods add up to a surface-temperature increase of
perhaps one-degree Fahrenheit for the entire 20th century.

Satellite measurements of atmospheric temperatures do not agree,
however. They began only in 1979, and have shown no significant
increase over the last quarter century. Balloon readings did show an
abrupt, one-time increase in 1976-1977. Since then, those temperatures
have stabilized.

Environmentalists believe that the 20th-century warming was caused by
human activity, primarily the burning of fossil fuels. That produces
carbon dioxide -- one of several "greenhouse gases." The argument is
that their release into the atmosphere wraps the Earth in an invisible
shroud. This makes the escape of heat into outer space slightly more
difficult than its initial absorption from sunlight. This is the
Greenhouse Effect. So the Earth warms up.

But whether man-made carbon-dioxide emissions have caused measurable
temperature increases over the last 30 years is debated. Carbon
dioxide is itself a benign and essential substance, incidentally.
Without it, plants would not grow, and without plant-life animals
could not live. Any increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
causes plants, trees, and forests to grow more abundantly. It should
be a tree-hugger's delight.

The surface data suggest that man-made carbon dioxide has not in fact
increased global temperatures. From 1940 to 1975, coal-fired plants
emitted fumes with great abandon and without restraint by Greens. Yet
the Earth cooled slightly in that time. And if man-made global warming
is real, atmospheric as well as surface temperatures should have
increased steadily. But they haven't. There was merely that one-time
increase, possibly caused by a solar anomaly. In addition, an "urban
heat island effect" has been identified. Build a tarmac runway near a
weather station, and the nearby temperature readings will go up.

GLOBAL WARMING BECAME THE FOCUS of activism at the time of the Earth
Summit in Rio, in 1992. Bush the elder signed a climate-change treaty,
with signatories agreeing to reduce carbon dioxide emissions below
1990 levels. The details were worked out in Kyoto, Japan. But America
was the principal target, everyone knew it, and Clinton didn't submit
the treaty to the Senate for ratification. The 1990 date had been
carefully chosen. Emissions in Germany and the Soviet Union were still
high; Germany had just absorbed East Germany, then still using
inefficient coal-fired plants. After they were modernized, Germany's
emissions dropped, so the demand that they be reduced below 1990
levels had already been met and became an exercise in painless
moralizing.

The same was true for the Soviet Union. After its collapse, in 1991,
economic activity fell by about one-third. As for France, most of its
electricity comes from nuclear power, which has no global-warming
effects but has been demonized for other reasons. If the enviros were
serious about reducing carbon dioxide they would be urging us to build
nuclear power plants, but that is not on their agenda. They want
windmills (whether or not they kill golden eagles).

Under the Kyoto Protocol, U.S. emissions would have to be cut so much
that economic depression would have been the only certain outcome. We
were expected to reduce energy use by about 35 percent within ten
years, which might have meant eliminating one-third of all cars. You
can see why the enviros fell in love with the idea.

Third World countries are exempt, as are China and India. Australia,
like the U.S., has refused to ratify. Thirty-five countries, mostly in
Europe, have agreed to reduce emissions. But there are no enforcement
mechanisms, the potential for cheating is unlimited, and the principal
irritation today is that the main enemy, the United States, slipped
the noose.

Any unusual event is now likely to be linked to climate change. Within
24 hours of the tsunami in December, the CBS evening news displayed a
graphic that had only the words "global warming" and "tsunamis."
Citing unnamed "climate experts," Dan Rather intoned:

Climate experts warned today that tsunamis could become more common
around the world and more dangerous. They cite a number of factors,
including a creeping rise in sea levels believed to come from global
warming and growing populations along coastal areas.

The claim that the globe is warming depends on knowing earlier
temperatures. Such information can only be obtained indirectly.
Climate scientists depend on tree rings, bore holes, ice cores, the
skeletons of marine organisms. The graph that was most effective in
persuading policy-makers became known as the hockey stick. The
temperature line is mostly horizontal, perhaps declining slightly for
900 years, then abruptly heading up into a warmer range over the last
100 years. The 900 years are the handle, the last hundred are the
blade.

THE "HOCKEY STICK" was first published in 1998 by the climatologist
Michael Mann of the University of Virginia, and co-authors. It was
immediately used by the United Nations to promote the idea that we
have an unprecedented crisis on our hands. But the chart also aroused
suspicions, because for years there had been a broad agreement among
climatologists that global temperatures had not been as unvarying as
the chart implied. There had been something called the Medieval Warm
Period, which persisted until the "Little Ice Age" took hold in the
14th and 15th centuries. Both periods lasted for several hundred
years.

The warmer period, accompanied by a flowering of prosperity,
knowledge, and art in Europe, seems to have been wholly beneficial.
Agricultural yields increased, marshes and swamps -- today called
wetlands -- dried up, removing the breeding grounds of
malaria-spreading mosquitoes. Infant mortality fell, the population
grew. Greenland was settled by the Vikings, who reached a peak of
prosperity in the 12th and 13th centuries. They began declining in the
late 14th century, with the colder weather. Then the settlements
perished.

The warm period has been recognized in the climate textbooks for
decades, and it was an obvious embarrassment to those claiming that
the 20th-century warming was a true anomaly. Also, the earlier changes
occurred when fossil-fuel consumption could hardly have been the
culprit. They would prove that warming could occur without human
intervention.

Consider, in this context, the experience of David Deming with the
University of Oklahoma's College of Geosciences. In 1995, he published
a paper in the journal Science, reviewing the evidence showing that
bore hole data showed a warming of about one degree Celsius in North
America over the last 100 to 150 years. Deming continues:

With the publication of the article in Science, I gained significant
credibility in the community of scientists working on climate change.
They thought I was one of them, someone who would pervert science in
the service of social and political causes. So one of them let his
guard down. A major person working in the area of climate change and
global warming sent me an astonishing email that said, "We have to get
rid of the Medieval Warm Period."

Whether intentionally or not, that is exactly what Mann's "hockey
stick" did.

Once doomsayers convince us that we are experiencing something new,
they feel free to claim that we face a catastrophe. They can
extrapolate from the minor and beneficial warming that we may (or may
not) have experienced in the last generation and argue that
temperatures will keep on rising until the ice caps melt and cities
flood.

Then the hockey stick was challenged by a Toronto minerals consultant
named Stephen McIntyre, who, remarkably, had no credentials as a
climatologist. He spent two years and $5,000 of his own money trying
to uncover Mann's methods. Mann at first did give him some
information, but then cut him off saying he didn't have time to
respond to "every frivolous note" from nonscientists. McIntyre was
joined by another Canadian, and in 2003 they published a critical
article. Mann had "used flawed methods that yield meaningless
results."

In a rebuttal, Mann revealed new information that had not appeared in
his original paper. It had been published in the British journal
Nature, which later published a correction. McIntyre thinks there may
be more errors but still doesn't know how the graph was generated.
Mann has refused to release his secret formula. A Wall Street Journal
reporter doggedly pursued the matter and contacted Mann. He told the
reporter: "Giving them the algorithm would be giving in to the
intimidation tactics that these people are engaged in."

Michael Mann now concedes it is plausible that past temperature
variations may have been larger than thought. Fred Singer, a leading
critic of warming scares and founder of the Science and Environmental
Policy Project, says that "the hockey stick is dead." He was recently
nominated by warmists to receive the First Annual Flat Earth Award for
being "the year's most prominent global warming denier." Nominated
along with him were Rush Limbaugh and Michael Crichton, the thriller
writer.

IN HIS RECENT BOOK State of Fear, Crichton unexpectedly emerged as a
powerful critic of modish conclusions about global warming. He studied
the subject for a couple of years before writing his recent book, to
which he added an appendix comparing global-warming science to
eugenics. Earlier, in a speech at Caltech, he had compared it to the
search for extraterrestrials (which he says is based on bogus
science). There may have been some warming as a part of a natural
trend, Crichton allows. But "no one knows how much of the present
trend might be natural or how much man-made."

"Open and frank discussion" of global warming is being suppressed, he
believes. One indication is that "so many of the outspoken critics of
global warming are retired professors." They can speak freely because
they are no longer seeking grants or facing colleagues "whose grant
applications and career advancement may be jeopardized by their
criticisms."

Environmentalists have become adept at de-legitimizing their opponents
by saying they are "supported by industry," but studies funded by
environmentalist organizations are "every bit as biased," Crichton
added. They have become a special interest like any other, with
legislative goals and millions spent on lobbying.

Myron Ebell, who works for the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI)
in Washington, D.C., one of the few groups that examines
global-warming claims skeptically, says that environmentalism is now a
$1.5 billion industry. In Washington, skeptics (like himself) are
outnumbered by global warming advocates perhaps by a margin of 300 to
one. Yet CEI, greatly underfunded by comparison with groups like the
Sierra Club, tends to be characterized in the media as "industry
supported." The enviros' problem is that they have "everything going
for them except the facts," Ebell says.

Some environmentalists have begun to echo the complaint that they are
a special interest. A few months ago, Michael Shellenberger and Ted
Norhaus wrote a widely circulated 14,000-word essay called "The Death
of Environmentalism." It "provoked a civil war among tree huggers,"
Nicholas D. Kristof wrote in the New York Times. In effect, it was a
cry of anguish: Why have we been unable to win on our top issues,
especially global warming? They called it "the world's most serious
ecological crisis," which "may kill hundreds of millions of human
beings over the next century." They looked back to their golden age in
the 1970s -- the time when they began "using science to define the
problem as 'environmental.'"

"Using science" is what they were doing, all right, and the rest of us
were blinded by it, for about 25 years. But the problem wasn't that
the use of science had led them to propose unattractive "technical
fixes," when they should have been appealing to something larger in
the human spirit. The problem was that their science was never very
good to begin with. And as its inadequacies became more apparent,
their scare tactics became more apparent, too.

To keep the money rolling in, environmentalists always need a crisis.
It looks as though they will have to cook up a new one.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.


User: ""

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 02:59:08 PM
Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell

Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.
.
User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 03:27:27 PM
wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.

--------
Markw makes a wonderful point.
With the world heating up the way it is, it's important to keep running
the air conditioner to escape from the heat. Of course, running the
air conditioner probably draws on electricity produced by a
coal-burning power generator, or maybe the local nuclear power plant.
So to cool off your house or your apartment, you consume more
electricity -- making the planet warmer. So you'll be even hotter next
summer, so you can run the air conditioner again ...
.

User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 03:40:00 PM
On 22 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0700,
wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.

The answer is more oil to keep the ACs running.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 05:52:17 PM
Captain, for a rightwinger you're often fairly humane, but using more
oil to run the A/C equipment is crazy, if using more oil causes more
CO2 emissions that cause more global warming.
You're taking an antidote for arsenic poisoning that has arsenic in it.
Doesn't make any sense. Unless you have big investments in oil and
coal and don't care what happens to the climate, that is.
Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0700,

wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.


The answer is more oil to keep the ACs running.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 08:20:29 PM
On 22 Jun 2006 15:52:17 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:

Captain, for a rightwinger you're often fairly humane, but using more
oil to run the A/C equipment is crazy, if using more oil causes more
CO2 emissions that cause more global warming.

There are over a billion people on this earth who have never turned on
an electric light bulb.

You're taking an antidote for arsenic poisoning that has arsenic in it.

The antidote to human problems has always been progress. As a general
rule no human society has advanced by forswearing the tools of
progress.


Doesn't make any sense. Unless you have big investments in oil and
coal and don't care what happens to the climate, that is.

The Captain always makes prudent investments for the sake of his
family. A little less than 6 years ago the citizens of the US elected
an "oil" president. From this fact alone it was simple to develop a
winning investment strategy.


Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0700,

wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.


The answer is more oil to keep the ACs running.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 22 Jun 2006 11:05:50 PM
"Progress" is not a magic mantra, nor is it simply using whatever
mechanical device happens to be at hand right in front of you.
"Progress" partly consists in using your brain to do what it was
evolved or designed or created to do -- solve problems based on the
information you have available to you.
People used to make fun of the military by saying that "Generals are
always busy plannng to win the last war." And something similar might
be said about devotees of "progress" who are busy planning how to solve
yesterday's problems, with yesterday's technologies, and neglecting the
problems and the technologies of today.
Please use your brain, Captain, and try to be genuinely honest and
genuinely "Compassionate" in the way you use it.
As the evangelical Christians concerned about global warming are
pointing out, CO2-induced climate change is likely to have a horrendous
effect on human welfare over the next century, unless we bring the
problem under control. What's more, the human beings who are likely to
be hurt the most by CO2-induced climate change are among the poorest
and least protected of the human family -- beginning with the millions
of fairly poor people dwelling on the coastal plains of Bangladesh.
If you're truly "Compassionate," Captain, you can't want the Bengalis
to be flooded out of their farms and their homes because the West is
too damned short-sided and too greedy to change its energy
technologies.
If you're not only "Compassionate," but also one of Geo. Bush Sr.'s
"Compassionate Conservatives," you also can't really be a fan of a
REVOLUTIONARY change in the world's climate, inadvertenly brought on by
human stubbornness and greed and folly.
If you're a Compassionate Conservative, Captain -- you ought to be
"conservative" about what you want for the world's climate, too. You
should want coastal dwellers, farmers, city planners and tribal peoples
around the world to have a "business as usual" climate to rely on --
not a wild racehorse of a global weather system that's rearing out of
control, and in largely unpredictable ways.
If you're just an oil industry flack calling yourself a Compassionate
Conservative, of course - well, all bets are off. People do some very
odd and uncompassionate things in pursuit of money.
But I'm hoping you truly have the decency to face the facts about the
risks we face, and to act accordingly.
Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 15:52:17 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:

Captain, for a rightwinger you're often fairly humane, but using more
oil to run the A/C equipment is crazy, if using more oil causes more
CO2 emissions that cause more global warming.

There are over a billion people on this earth who have never turned on
an electric light bulb.

You're taking an antidote for arsenic poisoning that has arsenic in it.

The antidote to human problems has always been progress. As a general
rule no human society has advanced by forswearing the tools of
progress.


Doesn't make any sense. Unless you have big investments in oil and
coal and don't care what happens to the climate, that is.

The Captain always makes prudent investments for the sake of his
family. A little less than 6 years ago the citizens of the US elected
an "oil" president. From this fact alone it was simple to develop a
winning investment strategy.


Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0700,

wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.


The answer is more oil to keep the ACs running.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 23 Jun 2006 12:56:19 AM
On 22 Jun 2006 21:05:50 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Progress" is not a magic mantra, nor is it simply using whatever
mechanical device happens to be at hand right in front of you.

"Progress" partly consists in using your brain to do what it was
evolved or designed or created to do -- solve problems based on the
information you have available to you.

People used to make fun of the military by saying that "Generals are
always busy plannng to win the last war." And something similar might
be said about devotees of "progress" who are busy planning how to solve
yesterday's problems, with yesterday's technologies, and neglecting the
problems and the technologies of today.

Please use your brain, Captain, and try to be genuinely honest and
genuinely "Compassionate" in the way you use it.

As the evangelical Christians concerned about global warming are
pointing out, CO2-induced climate change is likely to have a horrendous
effect on human welfare over the next century, unless we bring the
problem under control. What's more, the human beings who are likely to
be hurt the most by CO2-induced climate change are among the poorest
and least protected of the human family -- beginning with the millions
of fairly poor people dwelling on the coastal plains of Bangladesh.

If you're truly "Compassionate," Captain, you can't want the Bengalis
to be flooded out of their farms and their homes because the West is
too damned short-sided and too greedy to change its energy
technologies.

If you're not only "Compassionate," but also one of Geo. Bush Sr.'s
"Compassionate Conservatives," you also can't really be a fan of a
REVOLUTIONARY change in the world's climate, inadvertenly brought on by
human stubbornness and greed and folly.

If you're a Compassionate Conservative, Captain -- you ought to be
"conservative" about what you want for the world's climate, too. You
should want coastal dwellers, farmers, city planners and tribal peoples
around the world to have a "business as usual" climate to rely on --
not a wild racehorse of a global weather system that's rearing out of
control, and in largely unpredictable ways.

If you're just an oil industry flack calling yourself a Compassionate
Conservative, of course - well, all bets are off. People do some very
odd and uncompassionate things in pursuit of money.

But I'm hoping you truly have the decency to face the facts about the
risks we face, and to act accordingly.

I believe that you understand by now that you and I don't work from
the same basic premise on this issue.


Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 15:52:17 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:

Captain, for a rightwinger you're often fairly humane, but using more
oil to run the A/C equipment is crazy, if using more oil causes more
CO2 emissions that cause more global warming.

There are over a billion people on this earth who have never turned on
an electric light bulb.

You're taking an antidote for arsenic poisoning that has arsenic in it.

The antidote to human problems has always been progress. As a general
rule no human society has advanced by forswearing the tools of
progress.


Doesn't make any sense. Unless you have big investments in oil and
coal and don't care what happens to the climate, that is.

The Captain always makes prudent investments for the sake of his
family. A little less than 6 years ago the citizens of the US elected
an "oil" president. From this fact alone it was simple to develop a
winning investment strategy.


Captain Compassion wrote:

On 22 Jun 2006 12:59:08 -0700,

wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

The False Alert of Global Warming
By Tom Bethell


Talk is cheap -- especially when the air conditioner is running. Let's
see how legible the written text is with the ink blothced all over the
place from the excessive heat and humidity after he shuts own the air
conditioner and comes back into the real world of the present.


The answer is more oil to keep the ACs running.


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net


--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.

"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net

--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "john fernbach"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 23 Jun 2006 08:38:57 AM
Captain Compassion wrote:


I believe that you understand by now that you and I don't work from
the same basic premise on this issue.

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance

-----
I guess you're right, Captain.
Maybe this is unfair, but my premise for thinking that global climate
change is real is based on my courses in natural resources and ecology
at the University of Michigan in the 1960s, reinforced by National
Academy of Sciences reports on this subject published in the 1970s and
1980s, reinforced by what I've read about the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change's (IPCC) reports on the subject, reinforced by the
conclusions of Dale Christiansen's book, Tim Flannery's book, Steven
Schneider's books and Lester Brown's reports on the subject.
Oh, and I forgot to mention -- reinforced also by Bjorn Lomborg's
anti-environmental book "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which for all
Lomborg's conservatism, still estimates that the total cost of global
climate change for the world economy may amount to something like $5
trillion over the next century.
Whereas you seem to have been really impressed by Michael Crichton's
book accusing the climate scientists of engaging in a massive
conspiracy to hide the truth on this weather.
Well - clearly neither you nor I can view the universe through the
all-knowing mind of God, assuming there is a God. We both make
decisions about the evidence for climate change based on the limited
evidence we've seen, and a certain amount of guesswork and value
judgments. And maybe Michael Crichton will turn out to be right --
Michael Crichton and the fossil fuel industry -- whereas my professors,
and the National Academy of Sciences panels, and the IPCC, and Tim
Flannery and Steven Schneider and even Bjorn Lomborg all will turn out
to be wrong. It could happen, I guess.
.
User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 23 Jun 2006 11:16:51 AM
On 23 Jun 2006 06:38:57 -0700, "john fernbach"
<fernbach1948@yahoo.com> wrote:


Captain Compassion wrote:


I believe that you understand by now that you and I don't work from
the same basic premise on this issue.

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance


-----
I guess you're right, Captain.

Maybe this is unfair, but my premise for thinking that global climate
change is real is based on my courses in natural resources and ecology
at the University of Michigan in the 1960s, reinforced by National
Academy of Sciences reports on this subject published in the 1970s and
1980s, reinforced by what I've read about the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change's (IPCC) reports on the subject, reinforced by the
conclusions of Dale Christiansen's book, Tim Flannery's book, Steven
Schneider's books and Lester Brown's reports on the subject.

Oh, and I forgot to mention -- reinforced also by Bjorn Lomborg's
anti-environmental book "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which for all
Lomborg's conservatism, still estimates that the total cost of global
climate change for the world economy may amount to something like $5
trillion over the next century.

Whereas you seem to have been really impressed by Michael Crichton's
book accusing the climate scientists of engaging in a massive
conspiracy to hide the truth on this weather.

Well - clearly neither you nor I can view the universe through the
all-knowing mind of God, assuming there is a God. We both make
decisions about the evidence for climate change based on the limited
evidence we've seen, and a certain amount of guesswork and value
judgments. And maybe Michael Crichton will turn out to be right --
Michael Crichton and the fossil fuel industry -- whereas my professors,
and the National Academy of Sciences panels, and the IPCC, and Tim
Flannery and Steven Schneider and even Bjorn Lomborg all will turn out
to be wrong. It could happen, I guess.

It is possible that in 100, 1,000, 10,000 years the earth may be
warmer. Much of the Greenland ice cap along with many of the Mountain
glaciers may indeed melt raising the level of the oceans by 20 to 30
feet. This was indeed the state of the earth's climate around 125,000
years ago during the last (Eemian) interglacial period. However the
long term prognoses is poor. 114,000 years ago the glaciers had
returned and remained for nearly 100,000 years. This cycle may have
occurred 20 times over the past 2 million years. There is no reason to
believe that the astronomical and geophysical factors that have caused
these cycles have abated.
The current period is called the Flandrian interglacial and the
expectation is the ice will return again.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 23 Jun 2006 09:20:43 AM
john fernbach wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:


I believe that you understand by now that you and I don't work from
the same basic premise on this issue.

"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance


-----
I guess you're right, Captain.

Maybe this is unfair, but my premise for thinking that global climate
change is real is based on my courses in natural resources and ecology
at the University of Michigan in the 1960s, reinforced by National
Academy of Sciences reports on this subject published in the 1970s and
1980s, reinforced by what I've read about the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change's (IPCC) reports on the subject, reinforced by the
conclusions of Dale Christiansen's book, Tim Flannery's book, Steven
Schneider's books and Lester Brown's reports on the subject.

Oh, and I forgot to mention -- reinforced also by Bjorn Lomborg's
anti-environmental book "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which for all
Lomborg's conservatism, still estimates that the total cost of global
climate change for the world economy may amount to something like $5
trillion over the next century.

Whereas you seem to have been really impressed by Michael Crichton's
book accusing the climate scientists of engaging in a massive
conspiracy to hide the truth on this weather.

Well - clearly neither you nor I can view the universe through the
all-knowing mind of God, assuming there is a God. We both make
decisions about the evidence for climate change based on the limited
evidence we've seen, and a certain amount of guesswork and value
judgments. And maybe Michael Crichton will turn out to be right --
Michael Crichton and the fossil fuel industry -- whereas my professors,
and the National Academy of Sciences panels, and the IPCC, and Tim
Flannery and Steven Schneider and even Bjorn Lomborg all will turn out
to be wrong. It could happen, I guess.

The global warming has amounted to 0.6 degrees Centigrade in the last
century. Most of the measured difference has occurred during the
winter, and at night. The greatest measured difference has been in
Siberian winter nights. There has been no measurable temperature
difference in the U.S. as a whole in that period- i.e it's a fraction
of a degree warmer in the northeast, a fraction of a degree cooler in
the southeast.
Much of the temperature change has been caused by solar activity.
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:UMGy8GolEGoJ:www.tmgnow.com/repository/solar/lassen1.html+%22sunspots%22+K.+Lassen&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
The death rate is higher in the winter than in the summer.
Any administration actually attempting to reduce CO2 emissions would
quickly become a "former administration" when
productivity crashed and unemployment and prices skyrocketed.
Add to that Kyoto is a socialist, redistribution treaty, not a CO2
limiting treaty, and the positive effects of doing nothing grossly
outweigh any limited negative effects of global warming.- A. McIntire
"Kyoto's Dead Hand
Even signatories are giving up on their emissions targets.
Saturday, December 10, 2005 12:01 a.m. EST
Global gabfests can be fun, which may explain the paradox of the 12-day
U.N. conference on climate change that ended yesterday in Montreal. On
the one hand, the conferees spelled out the fine print that will make
the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which has been ratified by 156 countries,
"fully operational," according to conference chairman Stephane Dion.
On the other hand, even those who support radical cuts in
carbon-dioxide emissions are realizing that the Kyoto Protocol is a
failed instrument for achieving their goals. "The blunt truth about the
politics of climate change is that no country will want to sacrifice
its economy in order to meet this challenge," says British Prime
Minister Tony Blair.
He can say that again. India and China, which are exempt from Kyoto's
emissions cuts, have no plans to submit to those mandates any time
soon, though China is the world's second-largest emitter of greenhouse
gases. The U.S. has also consistently rejected Kyoto. This has been
true throughout the Bush years, but it was equally so during the
Clinton ones. In 1997, the U.S. Senate adopted the Byrd-Hagel
Resolution by 95-0, urging the Clinton Administration not to sign any
climate-change protocol that "would result in serious harm to the
economy." In 1998 Al Gore signed the Protocol. Yet President Clinton,
who was in Montreal yesterday to scold the Bush Administration for its
inaction, never submitted it to the Senate.
And then there is the performance of Kyoto's signatories in meeting
their own targets. Kyoto requires developed nations to bring their
total greenhouse-gas emissions to 5% below their 1990 levels by 2012.
Yet in 2003, emissions were above the 1990 baseline by more than 10% in
Italy and Japan, more than 20% in Ireland and Canada, and more than 40%
in Spain.
Germany and Britain have met their Kyoto targets, but this is the
result of one-time events: the collapse of British coal and the
shuttering of much of the former East Germany's industrial base. Given
Germany's anemic economy and Britain's reduced growth forecasts, the
appetite in either country for costly environmental virtue is not
likely to increase.
Nor should it. For even as the Montreal crowd treats man-made global
warming as established fact, the science behind the long-term forecasts
remains ambiguous and sketchy, while the benefits of "doing something
about it" are by no means clear.
Consider a few recent developments. In 2003, Canadian researchers
Stephen McIntyre and Ross McKitrick demonstrated that the
"hockey-stick" analysis--a key element of global-warming dogma that
purports to demonstrate that global temperatures held steady for
centuries until rising sharply in the last 100 years--was riddled with
"collation errors, unjustifiable truncation or extrapolation of source
data, obsolete data," and so on. The Canadians found that the Medieval
warm period had indeed occurred, suggesting that periods of warming and
cooling were natural trends unrelated to the number of SUVs on the
road.
In 2004, a conference of leading economists met in Copenhagen to
prioritize the world's environmental needs, and they put global warming
at the bottom of the list. "The benefits [of dealing with climate
change] are far into the future and the substantial costs are up front
and immediate," wrote Nobelist Douglass North. "Given the uncertainties
associated with both the projections and the consequences, climate
change cannot compete with other urgent issues we confront."
More recently, scientists have been grappling with data distortions
caused by the 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines. That
eruption initially caused ocean temperatures to cool; now temperatures
are rising as the "Pinatubo Effect" unwinds and distorts the long-term
trend data. Scientists have also noted weakenings in Atlantic currents
that move cold waters south and warm waters north, leading to
predictions that Britain may experience Siberia-like temperatures in
the coming decades. Whatever else that is, it isn't "warming."
The lesson we draw from all of this is that the uncertainties in
climate forecasting remain huge. And given the costly and fraudulent
scares we have just lived through--mad-cow disease, genetically
modified foods--the End Is Nigh crowd should be held to a higher
standard of proof than it has been before. The needs of the world's
poor and sick are too pressing to squander limited economic resources
on what could be another false alarm.
Fortunately, there's another game in another town. Next month, the
U.S., Japan, China, South Korea, India and Australia--collectively
accounting for nearly half the world's population--will meet in Sydney
to launch the Asia-Pacific partnership. Unlike Kyoto, which pits
developing countries against developed ones, the Partnership is a
collaboration to develop cleaner energy resources.
Unlike Kyoto, too, it is a voluntary partnership that seeks to address
environmental issues through economic growth and technology, and not by
targets and command-and-control mechanisms. Some of the technological
fixes--zero-emissions power plants, efficient hydrogen fuel cells--may
be decades away. Then again, so are the real-world consequences of
global warming, if they materialize at all.
So many politicians and activists have committed so much to their faith
in man-made global warming that events like Montreal will continue
regardless of the evidence. But anyone who cares seriously about the
needs of the poor--and of the environment--needs to get out from under
Kyoto's dead hand."
.
User: "Erik A. Mattila"

Title: Re: The False Alert of Global Warming 23 Jun 2006 04:59:33 PM
wrote:

john fernbach wrote:

Captain Compassion wrote:

I believe that you understand by now that you and I don't work from
the same basic premise on this issue.


"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance


-----
I guess you're right, Captain.

Maybe this is unfair, but my premise for thinking that global climate
change is real is based on my courses in natural resources and ecology
at the University of Michigan in the 1960s, reinforced by National
Academy of Sciences reports on this subject published in the 1970s and
1980s, reinforced by what I've read about the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change's (IPCC) reports on the subject, reinforced by the
conclusions of Dale Christiansen's book, Tim Flannery's book, Steven
Schneider's books and Lester Brown's reports on the subject.

Oh, and I forgot to mention -- reinforced also by Bjorn Lomborg's
anti-environmental book "The Skeptical Environmentalist," which for all
Lomborg's conservatism, still estimates that the total cost of global
climate change for the world economy may amount to something like $5
trillion over the next century.

Whereas you seem to have been really impressed by Michael Crichton's
book accusing the climate scientists of engaging in a massive
conspiracy to hide the truth on this weather.

Well - clearly neither you nor I can view the universe through the
all-knowing mind of God, assuming there is a God. We both make
decisions about the evidence for climate change based on the limited
evidence we've seen, and a certain amount of guesswork and value
judgments. And maybe Michael Crichton will turn out to be right --
Michael Crichton and the fossil fuel industry -- whereas my professors,
and the National Academy of Sciences panels, and the IPCC, and Tim
Flannery and Steven Schneider and ev