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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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18 Jun 2007 01:01:16 PM |
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The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
I took a few minutes to consider the facts concerning the "jihad" that
Bin Ladin is supposed to be waging on America and Israel. Let's
review...
-Bin Ladin's family is from Saudi Arabia, but he was expelled and
banished due to his war on Muslims (not Christians or Jews) there
(pushing his view of the religion).
-Bin Ladin's camp is in Afganistan, where he helped the Taliban with
their war on Pakistani Muslims (not Christians or Jews).
-Bin Ladin on 911 struck America, beginning the plans for that attack
while a very non-Christian, liberal President was in office (Clinton),
who just happened to be pro-Fatah and pro-Arafat.
-Bin Ladin's forces in Iraq, right now, are helping Iranian backed
fighters war against...other Muslims (the Sunni-Shite conflict),
without launching a single attack against Isreal from there or a
single attack on America since 2001.
-In recent days, Bin Ladin connected Hammas fighters in Gaza lauched
an attack against...MUSLIMS...by attempting to wipe out the Fatah
there.
See a pattern? Bin Ladin is not lauching a holy war against
Christians (what church has been attacked) or Israel (if he can hit
New York, how is it he cannot hit Tel Aviv) but a war on Muslims, all
the while distracting them with a false Jihad.
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
18 Jun 2007 02:00:06 PM |
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In article <1182189676.913851.140190@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
I took a few minutes to consider the facts concerning the "jihad" that
Bin Ladin is supposed to be waging on America and Israel. Let's
review...
-Bin Ladin's family is from Saudi Arabia, but he was expelled and
banished due to his war on Muslims (not Christians or Jews) there
(pushing his view of the religion).
-Bin Ladin's camp is in Afganistan, where he helped the Taliban with
their war on Pakistani Muslims (not Christians or Jews).
-Bin Ladin on 911 struck America, beginning the plans for that attack
while a very non-Christian, liberal President was in office (Clinton),
who just happened to be pro-Fatah and pro-Arafat.
-Bin Ladin's forces in Iraq, right now, are helping Iranian backed
fighters war against...other Muslims (the Sunni-Shite conflict),
without launching a single attack against Isreal from there or a
single attack on America since 2001.
-In recent days, Bin Ladin connected Hammas fighters in Gaza lauched
an attack against...MUSLIMS...by attempting to wipe out the Fatah
there.
See a pattern? Bin Ladin is not lauching a holy war against
Christians (what church has been attacked) or Israel (if he can hit
New York, how is it he cannot hit Tel Aviv) but a war on Muslims, all
the while distracting them with a false Jihad.
Well now, THAT's a relief.
I suggest you contact President Bush immediately with the
good news.
And while you're at it, tell him that there's no longer any
need for taking sizeable bites of the Constitution.
-- cary
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
18 Jun 2007 04:07:20 PM |
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:01:16 -0700, Wide Eyed in Wonder
<writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bin Ladin is supposed to be waging on America and Israel.
If America were not ruled by the Jews it wouldn't have a problem with
Arabs.
"The ultimate cause of this terrorism stems from our involvement in
and
support of the criminal behavior of Israel.
TERROR IN RESPONSE TO TERROR
The Palestinians and many of their Arab allies have been the target of
a half century of unrelenting Israeli terrorism.
In the late 1940s the Zionists took over Palestine and drove out over
600,000 people from their homes through widespread acts of terrorism.
Among those events was the sadistic massacre of 254 Palestinian mostly
old men, women and children at Deir Yassin. After the bloodletting,
the Jews then purposely publicized the event so as to make the people
flee in panic from their homes and businesses from which they still
haven't been allowed to return.
Former Israel Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, boasted of the
importance of the massacre of Deir Yassin in his book The Revolt: The
Story of the Irgun. He wrote that there would not have been a State of
Israel without the "victory" of Deir Yassin. "The Haganah carried out
victorious attacks on other fronts... In a state of terror, the Arabs
fled, crying, 'Deir Yassin."
(1)
Nor did the massacres cease after the establishment of the Jewish
State; they continued in times of both peace and war. Following are
the names of some of them: Sharafat Massacre, Kibya Massacre, Kafr
Qasem Massacre, Al-Sammou' Massacre, the Sabra And Shatila Massacre,
Oyon Qara Massacre, Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre, the Ibrahimi Mosque
Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre.
(2)
In a policy of ethnic cleansing, Israel continues to keep residents of
Palestine who were born there and whose families lived there for
countless generations, from returning home. At the same time, it gives
generous incentives for genetic Jews who never lived in Palestine to
immigrate from the far corners of the world.
The British also suffered greatly from Israeli terror, such as the
horrendous bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.
Israeli terror has not stopped since. Israel has more prisoners per
capita than any other nation of the world, more than Stalinist Russia
or Red China during its worst periods. It routinely tortures its
Palestinian prisoners, and is in fact the only nation in the modern
world that legally sanctions torture. In fact, a Jewish human rights
group in Israel confirmed in a 60-page report that 85% of Palestinian
detainees undergo torture while in
custody.(3) Even a major New York Times article by the Jewish Joel
Greenburg, stated matter-of-factly that Israel tortures 500 to 600
Palestinians every month
..(4)
Israel has targeted and assassinated thousands of Palestinian leaders,
and this includes scholars, clerics, businessmen, philosophers and
poets, anyone who inspires the Palestinian people to patriotism. These
assassinations have occurred all over the world, even in the United
States. In the process they have killed many thousands of women and
children. They have even repeatedly bombed Palestinian refugee camps
packed with women and children.
Not only did they establish their Israeli state over Palestinian land,
(in 1948 Palestinians personally owned over 90 percent of it) the Jews
took almost all of the Palestinian personal property: the land, farms,
homes and businesses. After they drove out the Palestinian refugees
and refused their return, they then passed an "abandoned property" law
that confiscated Palestinian property and gave to the Jews. The law
even has the chutzpah to forbid ever selling any of their stolen land
to Palestinians. (5)
In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon. During their invasion and 18 year
occupation an estimated 40,000 civilians died. Israel relentlessly
bombed and attacked cities and villages and also many hospitals and
orphanages (as documented by the Norwegian Red Cross) and devastated
the ancient and once beautiful city of Beirut.
The current Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, doesn't dare even
step foot in Belgium or the Netherlands, fearing an indictment of the
World Court for war crimes. Sharon is responsible for the murder of
two thousand of refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps in Lebanon.
Israel shot down a Libyan passenger airliner over the Sinai Peninsula
killing 111 people.
And it is has not just been the Palestinians who have suffered from
Israeli terror.
ZIONIST TERROR AGAINST THE UNITED STATES
Americans have also suffered from Zionist terror. In fact, Israel has
committed a number of acts of war against the United States.
Israel has a long record of terrorism against the United States going
all the way back to 1954. In that year, the Israel government plotted
to blow up American installations in Cairo and Alexandria and blame it
on Egyptian nationals. By chance the plot failed and was uncovered. It
was named the Lavon Affair after the man who supposedly set up the
terrorism, Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli Defense Chief. He resigned in
1955 over the incident. (6)
In 1967, Israel purposefully attacked with unmarked jet fighters and
torpedo boats, the U.S.S. Liberty, an American Navy vessel of the
Sinai Peninsula, even machine gunning the deployed life rafts of the
ship. The attack killed 31 American servicemen and wounded over
170.(7) They sought to sink the ship, kill all the Americans and
blame it on the Egyptians so they could have American support to
conquer larger areas of the Arab world.
The attack on the Liberty was nothing short of a vicious act of war
against the United States by Israel. In spite of the fact that U.S.
Secretary of State Dean Rusk and navy chief Admiral Moorer said that
the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel was deliberate. The
all-powerful Zionist Lobby prevented a formal Congressional
investigation. If the Lobby can even cover up horrendous Israeli
crimes against America, it's no wonder they can cover
up Israel's endless crimes against the Palestinians. Yet, after the
Liberty attack America didn't even reduce our billions of dollars of
aid, in fact the story quickly vanished from the news after a few
short days.
In 1986 Israel actually caused us to wrongly go to war and militarily
attack another nation. The Mossad planted a transmitter in Tripoli,
Libya and then broadcast terrorist messages in Libyan code indicating
Libyan responsibility for killing two Americans in the bombing of the
La Belle discothèque in Germany.(8) (It was later proven that Libya
had nothing to do with the bombing) By use of this fraud, Israel
induced the American bombing of Libya. American bombs wrecked havoc
there. One of those killed was the infant daughter of the Libyan
President. It is certainly a dastardly act of war against a nation to
induce it into wrongly attacking another nation. Only a truly evil
enemy of America would do such a thing.
Every Palestinian and Arab is aware that Israel's half century of
terror could never have occurred without the active financial,
military, and diplomatic support of the United States. They know that
the Jewish Lobby has control of American Mideast Policy and the
Zionists can get whatever they want from Congress on issues important
to them.
It was American support of Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of
Lebanon in the 1980s that led directly to the bombing of the U.S.
Marine contingent, killing 300 American young men.
THE INVOLVEMENT OF AMERICAN IN ISRAELI CRIMES
Arabs know that almost every bomb that kills their people comes from
America, Every bullet, every tank, and every fighter plane, is
manufactured or paid for by American dollars. It is America's billions
of dollars of support that have enabled the Jewish state to terrorize
the Arab people for half a century.
Even though Israel invaded Lebanon and killed thousands of civilians,
America never threatened to bomb Tel Aviv (as it did Iraq) if Israel
refused to obey UN resolutions to withdraw. A comparison of America's
reaction to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait to that of Israel's invasion of
Lebanon is instructive.
America's one-sided policy foreign policy can be illustrated by the
different treatment afforded Israel and Iraq:
1. Iraq invaded Kuwait. Israel invaded Lebanon.
2. Perhaps 3000 Kuwait civilians died in the initial war with Iraq.
40,000
Lebanese died from the time of the invasion through the occupation.
3. Iraq disobeyed UN resolutions to leave Kuwait. Israel disobeyed UN
resolutions to leave Lebanon. (for 18 years)
4. Iraq broke international conventions on chemical, biological and
nuclear
weapons. Yet Israel is a far greater offender, having one of the
greatest stores
of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in the world
5. Iraq refused UN inspections. Israel has always refused UN
inspection.
6. For these violations we bombed Iraq. In response to Israel's
crimes, America just
continued to send more billions of dollars.
American foreign policy was and continues to be Israeli policy. Israel
was not threatened with even a cutoff of U.S. aid as thousands of
Lebanese civilians died from the Israeli actions. Iraq was once a
friend of America with whom we bought oil and did much business.
America actually supported Saddam Hussein and Iraq's war with Iran.
Iraq did nothing against the United States, but it made the mistake of
becoming a strong enemy of Israel. So the Jewish and the
Jewish-controlled gentile bureaucrats, and Jewish-dominated
media quickly made our former friend, Saddam Hussein, into our
archenemy.
We dropped more explosives on Iraq country in a few weeks than we had
in the whole of the Second World War. We killed hundreds of thousands
of Iraqis including tens of thousands of civilians. Then we engaged in
a blockade and embargo of Iraq that even the anti-Iraq United Nations
says led to the deaths of at least 1,200,000 children and hundreds of
thousands of elderly. Let those Americans who don't understand the why
of this terrorism concentrate on this shocking fact. One million, two
hundred thousand
children have died as a direct result of our policy toward Iraq.
The Jewish Lobby and the Jewish-dominated media are very careful not
to let the American people fully understand the real reason for the
Iraqi war or the true issues in the Palestinian question. They really
don't want Americans to know why so many millions in the Arab world
hate us and why the number grows larger every day.
They don't want us to know the real reasons why Americans are so hated
- because it is the Jewish bosses of American foreign policy who are
the one's responsible for this growing hatred of America. Imagine the
anger and feelings of despair that would drive men to sacrifice their
own lives to get at us.
The Zionist bosses know that by America's supporting the criminal
policies of Israel spawns hatred against America. They are certainly
aware that bombing and going to war against nations solely for
Israel's benefit creates dedicated and fanatical enemies against
America, enemies who will seek revenge in American blood.
Of course, they never put America's interests first; their own Jewish
interests are always paramount. In actuality, they are fully aware
that the brutal and stupid acts of terror that recently happened in
New York and Washington only help the Zionist cause by engendering
enormous American anger at Israeli enemies, and make Americans more
easily manipulated to do the bidding of Israel.
Think about who really gained from this terror. Have the Palestinians
benefited? This terrorist act destroyed all the progress the
Palestinians have recently made with world opinion. It has blinded the
world to Israeli terrorism. Israel is the only winner in this tragedy.
They will now have a green light to do anything they want against the
Palestinians. They can kill any of their foes whether they are violent
or non-violent. They will get all the money they want from the
American people, and no one will be thinking
about their on-going suppression, murder and human rights violations
against the Palestinian people.
No, the Zionists are the only benefactors of the horrendous day of
terror on September 11, 2001. Ironic isn't it, that although Zionist
criminal actions led to this terror, only the Zionists will benefit
from it. Of course, they reason they benefit because the American mass
media is completely in their hands and it will never ask the proper
questions of why these horrendous events are happening. Unfortunately,
too few people will ever hear voices such as mine who dare to
challenge the Zionist lies.
That's why we are in this mess, because a foreign power has become the
most powerful lobby in the American government and controls the
direction of the mass communication media in America.
Let me repeat that one more time. The primary reason we are suffering
from terrorism in the United States today is because our government
policy is completely subordinated to a foreign power: Israel and the
efforts of world-wide Jewish Supremacism.
American Flags are flying everywhere in America in the aftermath of
the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. That is good,
for we need to be more patriotic. If we were more patriotic for the
real interests of America rather than for Israel, we would not now
suffer from terrorism.
And truly, what could be more patriotic than wanting our own country
to be led by our own people in the service of America; not a foreign
power or a powerful minority.
Yes, we must fight tooth and nail against any terrorists who attack
our country. But, we must understand why this terror is occurring, and
how it has been spawned. It has occurred because of long-standing
treason against the United States and her people.
WHAT HAS ZIONISM COST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
The Jewish Lobby and media power has cost the United States about 6
billion dollars a year in foreign aid and weapons, almost one third of
America's entire foreign aid budget during the last half century and
as much money spent in America's drug war.
It has poisoned our relations with the oil-rich Mideast nations. In
response to our policies, the Arabs came together and developed their
"oil weapon" which has cost Americans at least ten at least ten
trillion dollars in higher oil costs.
It has alienated the entire Arab world, leading to destruction or
confiscation of billions of dollars of American property in those
countries, kidnapping of American citizens, and generated enormous
hatred for the American people.
How has Israel has paid us back for our support? They have
continually spied on us on us (the Jonathan Pollard Case), sold our
highest secrets (such as to the biggest nucleur threat to us currently
in the world: the Communist Chinese) and stolen our enriched uranium
for their illegal nucleur weapons.
They have launched terrorist attacks against the United States such as
the Lavon Affair and the Attack on the USS Liberty. Both these acts
were nothing short of vicious acts of war against the United States.
Providing false information for America to wrongly go to war against
another country is also nothing less than an Israeli act of war
against the United States. Yet, in response to these despicable
actions against America, our Zionist controlled leaders did not even
reduce our billions of dollars of financial and military aid to
Israel. We give Israel about 6 billion dollars in aid each year, that
is more than all the nations of Sub-Saharan Africa, the Caribbean and
South America.
What is the latest cost of our subservience to the criminal actions of
Zionism? The latest price we have paid is the horrendous acts of
terrorism on September 11, 2001.
The powerful agents of Israel in American media and government are
ultimately responsible for this terror against the United States just
as surely as if they themselves had piloted those planes into the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
And now they cynically plan to use the terror that they themselves
created to increase the cycle of violence against Israel's enemies.
You can be sure that the Zionist powers plan to do far more than
simply punish the perpetrators of these events. America will once
again be used to strike against whomever Israel wants.
An indiscriminate or intemperate response from America would
ultimately produce even more hatred against America, and bring more
terroristic acts upon the heads of American people. The increasing
cycle of hatred is exactly want the Zionists want, for their aim that
we will fight Israel's enemies for them, spilling our blood instead of
theirs. They are only ones who truly benefit from America's pain.
Rather than Israel, we will pay the
ultimate price.
Unless we heal the wounds and give America a better course, every new
missile and bomb we send will come back to us again. Every life we
take in foreign lands will result in more American lives lost here and
abroad. America will sink more and more into uncertainty and fear.
We must have cool heads now and break this cycle of violence.
Many traitors in our government have supported Zionism's criminal
activities rather than the true interests of the American people. They
have spawned the hatred that drove these terrible acts. Unless their
power is broken Americans will be haunted by an increasing specter of
terrorism.
Let us pray for the American victims of these events and for their
suffering families. Let us swiftly and harshly punish the perpetrators
of these dastardly acts.
But, even more importantly, let us understand why these events
occurred and how we can heal the hatred against our nation.
Once we understand the reason why, then we will all agree on the sure
way to prevent such terroristic acts in the future.
The solution to this huge problem is extremely obvious and it is very
simple.
America must heed the farewell address of the Father of our Country
and "avoid foreign entanglements."
And we must always put America and the American People first."
David Duke
September 15, 2001
www.Davidduke.com
FOOTNOTES
1. Begin, M. (1964). The Revolt: The Story Of The Irgun. Tel-Aviv:
Hadar
Pub. p.162.
2. Erlich, G. (1992). Not Only Deir Yassin. Hebrew Daily Ha'ir. May
6.
3. Sami Sockol, Moshe Reinfeld (1998) May 20. the Israeli daily,
Ha'aretz
4. Joel Greenberg (1993) Israel Rethinks Interrogation of Arabs
Aug. 14
New York Times
5. Badi, J. (1960). Fundamental Laws Of The State Of Israel. New
York.
p.156.
6. Bar-Joseph, Uri (1995)Intelligence Intervention in the Politics
of
Democratic States: The United States, Israel, and Britain. University
Park,
PA: Penn State Press,
7. Ennes, J. (1979). Assault On The Liberty. New York: Random
House.
8. Ostrovsky, Victor. (1995) The Other Side of Deception: A Rogue
Agent
Exposes the Mossad's
Secret Agenda. New York: Harper
9. See the chapter on media control in my book, My Awakening. Also
available at Davidduke.com
10. Bill Gertz (1993) Washington Times and Michael R. Gordon, New
York
Times Oct.13
11. A & L Cockburn (1991) Dangerous Liaison
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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18 Jun 2007 11:18:08 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
I took a few minutes to consider the facts concerning the "jihad" that
Bin Ladin is supposed to be waging on America and Israel.
You don't know any "facts". You just make up half-truths out of stuff
that you don't even half-understand.
bin Ladin is waging a war not just on American and Israel - but on all
infidels and those who work with infidels against what he thinks are
Muslim interests.
Let's review...
-Bin Ladin's family is from Saudi Arabia,
That part is *partly* true. His mother was apparently from Syria.
That's as close as you come to making a correct statement.
but he was expelled and banished due to his war on Muslims (not Christians or Jews) there
(pushing his view of the religion).
Your cite is lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
bin Ladin fought with the mujaheddin in Afghanistan for a decade. He
was not "expelled and banished".
He turned against the Saudi monarchy because it was allied with the
USA in the first Gulf War. Since criticizing the royal family is a
crime in that country, he left the country on his own in order to not
be arrested. After moving to Sudan and then after 3 years of fighting
his government, they revoked his citizenship.
-Bin Ladin's camp is in Afganistan,
Actually it is probably in Pakistan.
where he helped the Taliban with their war on Pakistani Muslims (not Christians or Jews).
Actually, he did not move back to Afghanistan until after the Taliban
was running the country. He did then allow his al Qaeda forces to
work with the government against various rebel forces, which was
obviously the price that he had to pay to use the country as his base.
That the rebels were Muslims is incidental - they were working with
the Americans, and anyone who worked with infidels made themselves the
enemy.
-Bin Ladin on 911 struck America, beginning the plans for that attack
while a very non-Christian, liberal President was in office (Clinton),
Your evidence that Bill Clinton is "non-Christian", much less "very
non-Christian" is lacking. So far as I know, he is a member of the
Southern Baptist church.
He had sex with someone who was not his wife. So did Jimmie Swaggart
and several other televangelists.
who just happened to be pro-Fatah and pro-Arafat.
Relevance?
-Bin Ladin's forces in Iraq, right now, are helping Iranian backed
fighters
They are? It isn't clear who bin Ladin's forces are fighting, other
than anyone who works with the Americans.
war against...other Muslims (the Sunni-Shite conflict),
Saddam's government was secular.
without launching a single attack against Isreal from there or a
single attack on America since 2001.
And you know this how?
-In recent days, Bin Ladin connected Hammas fighters in Gaza
How is bin Ladin connected to Hamas?
lauched an attack against...MUSLIMS...by attempting to wipe out the Fatah
there.
For working too closely with Israel and the West.
See a pattern?
Yes. But you don't.
Bin Ladin is not lauching a holy war against Christians
He didn't say that he was.
(what church has been attacked)
Actually there are news reports that a Catholic church in Gaza was
desecrated, but no one I know is blaming this on bin Ladin.
or Israel (if he can hit New York, how is it he cannot hit Tel Aviv)
Because New York at the time had no defenses against such an attack,
whereas Tel Aviv did.
but a war on Muslims, all the while distracting them with a false Jihad.
His war is on anyone who isn't as fundamentalist as he is. Just as
your remarks about Clinton's Christian beliefs shows that you are
similarly at war. That your methods of war don't include acts of
violence is irrelevant (what you might do if you thought you could get
away with it, I am less certain; I hope that they check you out
whenever there is an abortion clinic bombing in your area). You have
repeatedly invaded secular newsgroups with what amounts to suicide
attacks, given what has happened to your reputation.
lojbab
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
19 Jun 2007 11:24:07 AM |
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Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
I took a few minutes to consider the facts concerning the "jihad" that
Bin Ladin is supposed to be waging on America and Israel.
You don't know any "facts". You just make up half-truths out of stuff
that you don't even half-understand.
bin Ladin is waging a war not just on American and Israel - but on all
infidels and those who work with infidels against what he thinks are
Muslim interests.
Let's review...
-Bin Ladin's family is from Saudi Arabia,
That part is *partly* true. His mother was apparently from Syria.
That's as close as you come to making a correct statement.
but he was expelled and banished due to his war on Muslims (not Christians or Jews) there
(pushing his view of the religion).
Your cite is lacking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden
bin Ladin fought with the mujaheddin in Afghanistan for a decade. He
was not "expelled and banished".
He turned against the Saudi monarchy because it was allied with the
USA in the first Gulf War. Since criticizing the royal family is a
crime in that country, he left the country on his own in order to not
be arrested. After moving to Sudan and then after 3 years of fighting
his government, they revoked his citizenship.
-Bin Ladin's camp is in Afganistan,
Actually it is probably in Pakistan.
where he helped the Taliban with their war on Pakistani Muslims (not Christians or Jews).
Actually, he did not move back to Afghanistan until after the Taliban
was running the country. He did then allow his al Qaeda forces to
work with the government against various rebel forces, which was
obviously the price that he had to pay to use the country as his base.
That the rebels were Muslims is incidental - they were working with
the Americans, and anyone who worked with infidels made themselves the
enemy.
-Bin Ladin on 911 struck America, beginning the plans for that attack
while a very non-Christian, liberal President was in office (Clinton),
Your evidence that Bill Clinton is "non-Christian", much less "very
non-Christian" is lacking. So far as I know, he is a member of the
Southern Baptist church.
Not to mention that he wasn't a liberal, either; he was a moderate
centrist.
And quite good at it, too.
-- cary
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
19 Jun 2007 02:45:29 PM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Not to mention that he wasn't a liberal, either; he was a moderate
centrist.
You know the code word - anyone who doesn't agree with Kenny on
absolutely *everything* even vaguely touching on religion and morality
is thereby an "atheist" and a "liberal".
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
20 Jun 2007 11:00:03 PM |
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On Jun 19, 2:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Not to mention that he wasn't a liberal, either; he was a moderate
centrist.
You know the code word - anyone who doesn't agree with Kenny on
absolutely *everything* even vaguely touching on religion and morality
is thereby an "atheist" and a "liberal".
lojbab
May you find forgiveness of your sins through the death of Jesus
Christ, Bob. I'm still praying for you to find life.
Kenneth Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
www.christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
21 Jun 2007 12:33:08 PM |
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In article <1182398403.470307.168360@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> writes:
On Jun 19, 2:45 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
Not to mention that he wasn't a liberal, either; he was a moderate
centrist.
You know the code word - anyone who doesn't agree with Kenny on
absolutely *everything* even vaguely touching on religion and morality
is thereby an "atheist" and a "liberal".
lojbab
May you find forgiveness of your sins through the death of Jesus
Christ, Bob. I'm still praying for you to find life.
Sorry, but I lost track here: who's down for "two weeks" in
the pool again?
-- cary
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
21 Jun 2007 11:28:15 AM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <writingken@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still praying for you to find life.
Praying to Satan won't do anyone any good (except possibly your ego).
If you were truly praying to God for me, you would be doing it like
Jesus said, and NOT publicly proclaiming it on a street corner like
you just did.
Matt 6:
[1] Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
[2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet
before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the
streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.
[3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy
right hand doeth:
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in
secret himself shall reward thee openly.
[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of
the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy
Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[7] But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for
they think that they shall be heard for their much.
The hypocrite you are, you love to pray shouting on the street corner.
You use vain repetitions as the heathen do. This insults the heathen,
who are better than you.
Matt 21:
[12] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that
sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the
moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
[13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the
house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
The one who markets pablum religious books on the newsgroups serves as
an excellent example of such a moneychanger.
Luke 4:
[8] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan:
for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only
shalt thou serve.
You on the other hand serve only your ego, and thereby Satan.
Luke 11:
[34] The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is
single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is
evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
[35] Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not
darkness.
It is clear to all that you so-called prayers for me are false, being
rather an expression of bitterness that you get clobbered by everyone
for your ignorance and idiocy every time you post. They are street
corner displays for your own ego, and not true prayers to God, who
after all knows what you really want and need before you speak a word
in prayer.
Your prayers are vanity. If I am saved, it won't be because of your
prayers, but because I myself accepted Jesus Christ long ago, and
because I have chosen to try to live my life as He directs.
Get that telephone pole out of your eye.
lojbab
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
24 Jun 2007 11:08:36 PM |
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On Jun 21, 11:28 am, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:
Wide Eyed in Wonder <writing...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm still praying for you to find life.
Praying to Satan won't do anyone any good (except possibly your ego).
If you were truly praying to God for me, you would be doing it like
Jesus said, and NOT publicly proclaiming it on a street corner like
you just did.
Matt 6:
[1] Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them:
otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
[2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet
before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the
streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.
[3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy
right hand doeth:
[4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in
secret himself shall reward thee openly.
[5] And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are:
for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of
the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They
have their reward.
[6] But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou
hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy
Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
[7] But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for
they think that they shall be heard for their much.
The hypocrite you are, you love to pray shouting on the street corner.
You use vain repetitions as the heathen do. This insults the heathen,
who are better than you.
Matt 21:
[12] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that
sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the
moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,
[13] And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the
house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.
The one who markets pablum religious books on the newsgroups serves as
an excellent example of such a moneychanger.
Luke 4:
[8] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan:
for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only
shalt thou serve.
You on the other hand serve only your ego, and thereby Satan.
Luke 11:
[34] The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is
single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is
evil, thy body also is full of darkness.
[35] Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not
darkness.
It is clear to all that you so-called prayers for me are false, being
rather an expression of bitterness that you get clobbered by everyone
for your ignorance and idiocy every time you post. They are street
corner displays for your own ego, and not true prayers to God, who
after all knows what you really want and need before you speak a word
in prayer.
Your prayers are vanity. If I am saved, it won't be because of your
prayers, but because I myself accepted Jesus Christ long ago, and
because I have chosen to try to live my life as He directs.
Get that telephone pole out of your eye.
lojbab
By all means pray for me. I will continue to pray for you. God loves
you Bob.
Ken Clifton
-author of The Christian Superhero Training Guide
http://www.christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Kope" |
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| Title: Re: The False Jihad - Bin Ladin's War on Islam |
18 Jun 2007 06:11:32 PM |
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i am a radical muslim please read my blog, read how islam will win
the
clash of civilization. http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
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