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"Harry Hope" |
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08 Mar 2005 07:19:30 AM |
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The fascist attack on our college classrooms |
From The Palm Beach Post, 3/8/05:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/08/m1a_freespeech_0308.html
Academic speech bill kindles left-vs.-right debate
By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
House Education Committee Chairman Dennis Baxley is pushing
legislation that Florida's university professors say will curb free
speech in the classroom and limit their ability to discuss
controversial subjects.
Although the bill states that professors have the right to academic
freedom, it also says students should not "be infringed upon by
instructors who persistently introduce controversial matter into the
classroom that has no relation to the subject of study and serves no
(teaching) purpose."
The bill would not affect private colleges and universities.
Baxley, an Ocala Republican, argues that House Bill 837 is not about
stopping free speech but rather about protecting conservative
viewpoints in universities, which he believes have become liberal
strongholds that sometimes bully right-leaning students.
"There is no question that our university culture has fostered
liberalism and people of moderate and conservative views are
intimidated," said Baxley, who as a student at Florida State
University said he sometimes felt persecuted for his conservative
views.
"I'm for academic free speech for everyone, not just for the
leftists."
The bill was crafted from a template legislation promoted by the
national conservative group Students for Academic Freedom.
Similar bills have been filed in at least 10 other states.
Sen. Stephen Wise, R-Jacksonville, filed legislation matching Baxley's
bill Monday.
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Fascism slowly creeps across America.
Harry
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: The fascist attack on our college classrooms |
08 Mar 2005 07:37:49 PM |
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National Socialist Germany was not different from other countries
in regard to free speach laws. The only difference was the right was
in power instead of the left. Before Hitler was in power he had a lot
of his papers banned, and when he was in power he also banned things.
Even today most countries do not have free speech. In leftist Germany
today people get arrested for doubting the holo story and other
things. People in Britain get arrested for politically incorrect
speech or writting. Saying that the races are not all equal in
intelligence is against the law there.
The United States has the most free speech but even here it has
banned things. At one time the play "Merchant of Venice" was banned in
New York because it offended the Jews. People in America were arrested
for their beliefs during WWII. All countries did that.
But the United States does have the most free speech and this was a
great idea. Hitler also had a great idea of removing the Jews from
controlling the media. If we could combine these two ideas we could
have a winning combination. Allowing free speech is not the same as
allowing one unelected group to virtually control all of the media.
The media is the real power, and a minor post such as President of the
United States is like nothing by comparison. Why are we voting for
President and not voting for who will control the media? When it comes
to owning TV stations it is only money that talks, not morality or
virtue.
In the Jews country, which Americans are giving billions of
dollars to, they don't allow non-Jews to own certain media.
National Socialism was mainly about things like making Germany for
the Germans, and rejecting both Communism and Capitalism. But Free
Speech is also a great idea. National Socialists today should make it
clear that Free Speech is sacred and that no party should be allowed
to change that.
www.spearhead-uk.com http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The fascist attack on our college classrooms |
08 Mar 2005 04:47:35 PM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The Palm Beach Post, 3/8/05:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2005/03/08/m1a_freespeech_0308.html
Academic speech bill kindles left-vs.-right debate
By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
House Education Committee Chairman Dennis Baxley is pushing
legislation that Florida's university professors say will curb free
speech in the classroom and limit their ability to discuss
controversial subjects.
Although the bill states that professors have the right to academic
freedom, it also says students should not "be infringed upon by
instructors who persistently introduce controversial matter into the
classroom that has no relation to the subject of study and serves no
(teaching) purpose."
The bill would not affect private colleges and universities.
Baxley, an Ocala Republican, argues that House Bill 837 is not about
stopping free speech but rather about protecting conservative
viewpoints in universities, which he believes have become liberal
strongholds that sometimes bully right-leaning students.
"There is no question that our university culture has fostered
liberalism and people of moderate and conservative views are
intimidated," said Baxley, who as a student at Florida State
University said he sometimes felt persecuted for his conservative
views.
"I'm for academic free speech for everyone, not just for the
leftists."
The bill was crafted from a template legislation promoted by the
national conservative group Students for Academic Freedom.
Similar bills have been filed in at least 10 other states.
Sen. Stephen Wise, R-Jacksonville, filed legislation matching
Baxley's
bill Monday.
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Fascism slowly creeps across America.
Harry
I find that legislators are envious of university professors who
are smarter than they are and use every opportunity to limit anything
that they may say.
This law forbids discussion of anything that is "controversial".
How about the assumption that the earth is a sphere?? How about
the assumption that the earth whirls around the Sun?? And, Jeezus
X Krist, the Geology Department, which teaches that the earth is
millions of years old, just as well prepare to pack up and move
out of town.
Probably the assertion that 2 + 3 equals 5 is a bit suspicious.
Reminds me of the school board interviewing a prospective teacher
and asking: "Do you teach that the earth is round or flat?"
The interviewee squirmed and finally said, "I can teach it either
way".
I saw a touch of this myself. I grew up on a farm only 50
miles from where I live now, and attended the university here.
I left, went through graduate school (I have 2 doctorates which
makes me a REALLY suspicious peraon) and was invited by the Dean
to return as a professor to my undergraduate university.
Despite the fact that over half of the faculty knew me, my
academic qualifications and my character, the *****-headed
legislators of the state required that I sign an oath that I
was not -- and never had been, nor had any intentions of becoming
-- a member of the Communist party. Legislators just go plain
nuts whenever university professors are mentioned, mostly because
the remember their dumb-***** college experience (if they actually
went that far).
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: The fascist attack on our college classrooms |
09 Mar 2005 08:44:58 AM |
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cognitus44 sez:
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"Despite the fact that over half of the faculty knew me, my
academic qualifications and my character, the *****-headed
legislators of the state required that I sign an oath that I
was not -- and never had been, nor had any intentions of becoming
-- a member of the Communist party. Legislators just go plain
nuts whenever university professors are mentioned, mostly because
the remember their dumb-***** college experience (if they actually
went that far)..."
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So, tell us, comrade, did you sign the oath or not?
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