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"dave 101" |
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30 Apr 2005 10:53:46 AM |
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The Fascist Vote |
When you vote, you're exercising political authority.
You're using force. And force, my friends, is violence, the supreme
authority from which all other authority derives.
Whether it's exerted by ten or ten billion, political authority is violence
by degree.
Naked force has settled more issues in history than any other factor.
The contrary opinion 'violence never solves anything' is wishful thinking at
its worst.
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| User: "jimpgh2002" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
30 Apr 2005 01:25:04 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:53:46 +0000 (UTC), "dave 101"
<ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com> wrote:
When you vote, you're exercising political authority.
You're using force. And force, my friends, is violence, the supreme
authority from which all other authority derives.
Whether it's exerted by ten or ten billion, political authority is violence
by degree.
Naked force has settled more issues in history than any other factor.
The contrary opinion 'violence never solves anything' is wishful thinking at
its worst.
Your twisted logic aside, what's your point? Are you against
elections?
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
30 Apr 2005 01:43:59 PM |
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When you vote, you're exercising political authority.
You're using force. And force, my friends, is violence, the supreme
authority from which all other authority derives.
Whether it's exerted by ten or ten billion, political authority is
violence
by degree.
Naked force has settled more issues in history than any other factor.
The contrary opinion 'violence never solves anything' is wishful thinking
at
its worst.
Your twisted logic aside, what's your point? Are you against
elections?
I am for direct democracy in a society based on good, strong, Fascist
values.
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| User: "Branson Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
30 Apr 2005 03:06:31 PM |
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 18:43:59 +0000 (UTC), "dave 101"
<ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com> wrote:
When you vote, you're exercising political authority.
You're using force. And force, my friends, is violence, the supreme
authority from which all other authority derives.
Whether it's exerted by ten or ten billion, political authority is
violence by degree.
Naked force has settled more issues in history than any other factor.
The contrary opinion 'violence never solves anything' is wishful thinking
at its worst.
Your twisted logic aside, what's your point? Are you against
elections?
I am for direct democracy in a society based on good, strong, Fascist
values.
Well -- if not trolling-- you're at least to be commended for your
honesty (unlike those other fascist fucks in alt.california). Please
post more specifics about why fascism is good, and how you are able to
mix democracy with Fascism (above).
Branson
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 09:19:29 AM |
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I am for direct democracy in a society based on good, strong, Fascist
values.
Well -- if not trolling-- you're at least to be commended for your
honesty (unlike those other fascist fucks in alt.california). Please
post more specifics about why fascism is good, and how you are able to
mix democracy with Fascism (above).
The word Fascist is used these days with minimal understanding of what the
term actually means.
As Benito Mussolini said "For the Fascist, everything is within the State
and neither individuals nor groups are outside the State. For Fascism, the
State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
What this actually means is, you don't run the country for the benefit of a
special interest group.
Decisions are made for the benefit of the state (the general public is the
state).
It is easy to see how the 'very powerful Jewish lobby' didn't fit into a
Fascist society.
Jews believe that their best interests are paramount and anything
"Anti-Semite" is a great evil.
This is the main reason with Fascists and Jews never got along.
Fascism is a strong, populist government who make decisions for the best
interest of the country.
Fascists believe that an individual (usually a very rich individual) and
small group are important, but that the over all interests of the whole
country is more important.
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| User: "Dwain" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 10:48:45 AM |
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In article <d52ohh$iif$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com says...
The word Fascist is used these days with minimal understanding of what the
term actually means.
That's for sure, as your quote below proves
[snip]
Fascism is a strong, populist government who make decisions for the best
interest of the country.
Woo hoo! Who told you that? Are you saying Hitler had the "best interest
of Germany" in mind when he started WWII?
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 02:13:54 PM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1cde9a67dcf1e3819896e5@news.sonic.net...
In article <d52ohh$iif$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com says...
The word Fascist is used these days with minimal understanding of what
the
term actually means.
That's for sure, as your quote below proves
[snip]
Fascism is a strong, populist government who make decisions for the best
interest of the country.
Woo hoo! Who told you that? Are you saying Hitler had the "best interest
of Germany" in mind when he started WWII?
Well you have to avoid the "Hollywood NAZI" image, which has more to do with
Indiana Jones than the real world.
The second world war (from the German point of view) was very much an act of
self defence.
Fascism by its nature is a negative belief system. It's anti-communist and
anti-Zionist, it is a belief in defending yourself from these things.
Germany was under threat from Marxism and at the time nearly all the lawyers
in Germany were Jewish.
No law could be effectively enforced unless it was given the "ok" by the
Jewish community.
When the German people put their foot down, the entire legal system was
thrown out the window and had to be replaced by more direct control.
I think the "Hollywood NAZI" image problem that Fascism is miss-directed,
the anarchy in Germany at the time of the 2nd world war was not caused by
Fascism.
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| User: "Branson Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 11:01:59 AM |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 14:19:29 +0000 (UTC), "dave 101"
<ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com> wrote:
I am for direct democracy in a society based on good, strong, Fascist
values.
Well -- if not trolling-- you're at least to be commended for your
honesty (unlike those other fascist fucks in alt.california). Please
post more specifics about why fascism is good, and how you are able to
mix democracy with Fascism (above).
The word Fascist is used these days with minimal understanding of what the
term actually means.
As Benito Mussolini said "For the Fascist, everything is within the State
and neither individuals nor groups are outside the State. For Fascism, the
State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
What this actually means is, you don't run the country for the benefit of a
special interest group. Decisions are made for the benefit of the state (the general public is the
state).
It is easy to see how the 'very powerful Jewish lobby' didn't fit into a
Fascist society. Jews believe that their best interests are paramount and anything
"Anti-Semite" is a great evil.
This is the main reason with Fascists and Jews never got along.
Fascism is a strong, populist government who make decisions for the best
interest of the country.
Fascists believe that an individual (usually a very rich individual) and
small group are important, but that the over all interests of the whole
country is more important.
My understanding of neofascism is that it should rightly be called
Corporatism, as it is a merge of State and Corporate power. A system
which becomes corrupted by powerful corporations and individual greed.
Take the U.S., for example, the Administration has control of the
Executive Branch of government, Congress -- and now is attempting
a coup de grāce to gut and control the Judicial Branch of government.
In such a system -- decisions are made for profit, influenced by
corporate lobbies, at the expense of the public interest -- for the
benefit and profits of the few.
Branson
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-- Albert Einstein
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 04:05:07 PM |
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My understanding of neofascism is that it should rightly be called
Corporatism, as it is a merge of State and Corporate power. A system
which becomes corrupted by powerful corporations and individual greed.
I do not know what neo-Fascism stands for but Fascism is for the State
interests (i.e. the general public) being held paramount above that of the
individual or group.
Take the U.S., for example, the Administration has control of the
Executive Branch of government, Congress -- and now is attempting
a coup de grāce to gut and control the Judicial Branch of government.
Who controls the judicial branch and in modern times the media is very
important.
In such a system -- decisions are made for profit, influenced by
corporate lobbies, at the expense of the public interest -- for the
benefit and profits of the few.
As Benito Mussolini said "For the Fascist, everything is within the State
and neither individuals nor groups are outside the State. For Fascism, the
State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
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| User: "Branson Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 05:34:44 PM |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 21:05:07 +0000 (UTC), "dave 101"
<ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com> wrote:
My understanding of neofascism is that it should rightly be called
Corporatism, as it is a merge of State and Corporate power. A system
which becomes corrupted by powerful corporations and individual greed.
I do not know what neo-Fascism stands for but Fascism is for the State
interests (i.e. the general public) being held paramount above that of the
individual or group.
Take the U.S., for example, the Administration has control of the
Executive Branch of government, Congress -- and now is attempting
a coup de grāce to gut and control the Judicial Branch of government.
Who controls the judicial branch and in modern times the media is very
important.
In such a system -- decisions are made for profit, influenced by
corporate lobbies, at the expense of the public interest -- for the
benefit and profits of the few.
As Benito Mussolini said "For the Fascist, everything is within the State
and neither individuals nor groups are outside the State. For Fascism, the
State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
Now for the million dollar question: Do you advocate Fascism as a
form of government in the U.S.?
Branson
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 07:16:56 PM |
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Now for the million dollar question: Do you advocate Fascism as a
form of government in the U.S.?
I believe that America is under the thumb of all the special interests
groups.
In the words of the Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon "Every time we do
something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to
tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on
Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know
it." - October 3, 2001.
Action needs to be taken in order to counter balance this:
I believe a form of direct democracy (as used in Switzerland) in which the
general public can force a referendum on any subject, at anytime.
All groups like the NRA and political parties should be shut down.
Strict rules about who can own a TV/radio station or newspaper would be
needed (no media monopolies).
Burning down of places of worship and expulsion of religious leaders.
Replacing religion with harmless mythology and romantic stories i.e. knights
and dragons (some nice stories for the kids)
Take the power away from the groups and individuals and return it to the
state that will be answerable to the people by directly.
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| User: "dave 101" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 04:05:32 PM |
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Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-- Albert Einstein
I personally wouldn't listen to any political beliefs that Albert Einstein
had.
This man wrote a letter to the president asking him to create a nuclear
bomb.
He has to be one of the bigest, two faced, political, ***** artists in
history
Albert Einstein
To my mind, to kill in war is not a whit better than to commit ordinary
murder.
Albert Einstein
Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding
Albert Einstein
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that
goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!
Albert Einstein
He who cherishes the values of culture cannot fail to be a pacifist.
Albert Einstein
My pacificism is an instinctive feeling, a feeling that possesses me because
the murder of people is disgusting. My attitude is not derived from any
intellectual theory but is based on my deepest antipathy to every kind of
cruelty and hatred.
Albert Einstein letter to the president in 1939
Sir:
Some recent work by E.Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been com-
municated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uran-
ium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the im-
mediate future. Certain aspects of the situation which has arisen seem
to call for watchfulness and, if necessary, quick action on the part
of the Administration. I believe therefore that it is my duty to bring
to your attention the following facts and recommendations:
In the course of the last four months it has been made probable -
through the work of Joliot in France as well as Fermi and Szilard in
America - that it may become possible to set up a nuclear chain reaction
in a large mass of uranium,by which vast amounts of power and large
quant-
ities of new radium-like elements would be generated. Now it appears
almost certain that this could be achieved in the immediate future.
This new phenomenon would also lead to the construction of bombs,
and it is conceivable - though much less certain - that extremely power-
ful bombs of a new type may thus be constructed. A single bomb of this
type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy
the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However,
such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by
air.
-2-
The United States has only very poor ores of uranium in moderate
quantities. There is some good ore in Canada and the former
Czechoslovakia.
while the most important source of uranium is Belgian Congo.
In view of the situation you may think it desirable to have more
permanent contact maintained between the Administration and the group
of physicists working on chain reactions in America. One possible way
of achieving this might be for you to entrust with this task a person
who has your confidence and who could perhaps serve in an inofficial
capacity. His task might comprise the following:
a) to approach Government Departments, keep them informed of the
further development, and put forward recommendations for Government
action,
giving particular attention to the problem of securing a supply of uran-
ium ore for the United States;
b) to speed up the experimental work,which is at present being
car-
ried on within the limits of the budgets of University laboratories, by
providing funds, if such funds be required, through his contacts with y
private persons who are willing to make contributions for this cause,
and perhaps also by obtaining the co-operation of industrial
laboratories
which have the necessary equipment.
I understand that Germany has actually stopped the sale of uranium
from the Czechoslovakian mines which she has taken over. That she should
have taken such early action might perhaps be understood on the ground
that the son of the German Under-Secretary of State, von Weizsäcker, is
attached to the Kaiser-Wilhelm-Institut in Berlin where some of the
American work on uranium is now being repeated.
Yours very truly,
(Albert Einstein)
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| User: "Branson Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: The Fascist Vote |
01 May 2005 04:04:18 PM |
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On Sun, 1 May 2005 14:19:29 +0000 (UTC), "dave 101"
<ojsnvjsdnv@jfnpjpsdfb.com> wrote:
I am for direct democracy in a society based on good, strong, Fascist
values.
Well -- if not trolling-- you're at least to be commended for your
honesty (unlike those other fascist fucks in alt.california). Please
post more specifics about why fascism is good, and how you are able to
mix democracy with Fascism (above).
The word Fascist is used these days with minimal understanding of what the
term actually means.
As Benito Mussolini said "For the Fascist, everything is within the State
and neither individuals nor groups are outside the State. For Fascism, the
State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative."
What this actually means is, you don't run the country for the benefit of a
special interest group. Decisions are made for the benefit of the state (the general public is the
state).
It is easy to see how the 'very powerful Jewish lobby' didn't fit into a
Fascist society. Jews believe that their best interests are paramount and anything
"Anti-Semite" is a great evil.
This is the main reason with Fascists and Jews never got along.
Fascism is a strong, populist government who make decisions for the best
interest of the country.
Fascists believe that an individual (usually a very rich individual) and
small group are important, but that the over all interests of the whole
country is more important.
My understanding of neofascism is that it should rightly be called
Corporatism, as it is a merge of State and Corporate power. A system
which becomes corrupted by powerful corporations and individual greed.
Take the U.S., for example, the Administration has control of the
Executive Branch of government, Congress -- and now is attempting
a coup de grāce to gut and control the Judicial Branch of government.
In such a system -- decisions are made for profit, influenced by
corporate lobbies, at the expense of the public interest -- for the
benefit and profits of the few.
Branson
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-- Albert Einstein
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