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06 May 2006 12:13:14 PM |
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The first blow of WORLD WAR III ?!?!??? |
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
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06 May 2006 06:15:58 PM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
I wish I could tell you this is not the way he actually sees things --
but -- read the following and be afraid, be VERY afraid:
http://www.rightwinglies.com/Rel%20Right/GOP%20gods%20own%20party.htm
http://www.rightwinglies.com/Rel%20Right/left%20behind.htm
http://www.rightwinglies.com/Rel%20Right/real%20danger.htm
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07 May 2006 05:03:39 AM |
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"Joe S." <anon@mous.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
I wish I could tell you this is not the way he actually sees things --
but -- read the following and be afraid, be VERY afraid:
Read the last paragraph first.
Will Iran use THE Bomb?
I seldom post over here at The Jawa Report, mainly because this site is
usually flooded with quality posts, but I wanted to bring a matter to the
attention of readers here. Much has been said about Iran's nuclear program,
where it's going and what the intentions are, but I feel a key point is
often missed.
That key point assumes Iran wants to acquire a nuclear weapon, which their
own statements lead to that conclusion, and whether or not they will
actually use a nuclear weapon if they sucessfully built one. That does not
mean Iran equips one of their new Shahab class missiles (Shahab-3 has been
announced and they working on Shahab-6) with a nuclear warhead and fires one
into Tel Aviv, but the nation also has control over groups such as Hezbollah
and Hamas.
Lending even a small amount of radioactive waste in the form of a "dirty
bomb" to either of those groups, not to mention any other radical Islamic
group the nation at least supports ideologically, would change the face of
this conflict and should rightly be considered when discussing whether
striking Iran's nuclear facilities is in our best interests. This is not
necessarily a debate of should we keep Iran from obtaining a bomb, the
nation already has radioactive waste and with the announcement it will
increase uranium enrichment more radioactive waste will be produced.
While a dirty bomb would create havoc wherever one is detonated, it is still
a small type attack when compared to a suitcase nuke or a nuclear weapon.
This is an important distinction to make because a dirty bomb would not do
the damage to Israel that Iran seeks, and there is a religious belief it is
the duty of the Islamic Republic of Iran to destroy Israel.
I believe Iran would have no qualms with sending a nuclear warhead into Tel
Aviv because it is Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's firm belief he
must wipe out Israel to pave the path for the return of the 12th Imam. It is
his religious fanaticism that is alarming and needs to be considered while
his nation continues their pursuit for nuclear weapons. Unfortunately many
naysayers fail to even bring this up in discussion perhaps because we don't
fully understand the role of the 12th Imam and Ahmadinejad's own belief he
is one of the chosen people to help the 12th Imam return, but we must begin
to.
That said, there are many Islamic religious structures in Israel that
certainly would at least be damaged in such an attack. Would the nation that
wants to be the center of the Islamic world risk damaging where Mohammed
ascended into Heaven to sit by Allah?
Contrary to what is constantly being reported, Ahmadinejad's own statements
confirm his quest to destroy Israel, but Israel's destruction must come
after the United States has been put to the side. At a conference in Tehran
dubbed "The World without Zionism," the imagery that was widely reported and
republished included a globe bearing the markings of the Star of David,
which is of course also the markings of the nation of Israel, falling from
the rest of the world. Cropped from most pictures was that a globe bearing
the American flag was already on the ground and broken as Israel's globe was
falling.
This symbolism of taking down Israel after the United States however isn't
the only evidence Ahmadinejad seeks to destroy the United States first. Also
at the same conference Ahmadinejad proclaimed "to those who doubt, to those
who ask is it possible, or those who do not believe, I say accomplishment of
a world without America and Israel is both possible and feasible." Naturally
the crowd also threw in England for good measure.
The three nations of England, the U.S. and Israel comprise of what I have
termed "the family satan." I certainly don't believe any of those nations
are actually satanic, but over the course of the past few years in
particular Iran has ramped up the rhetoric citing all three are in the same
satanic family. The United States is the "great satan," whereas I would
assume England is the "mother of satan" and Israel is the "incestual
offspring of satan."
It is this reasoning that I believe Iran won't immediately strike Israel but
rather they would strike the United States if the nation acquires a nuclear
weapon. Iran knows any attack on Israel would be met with swift retribution
by the United States. It must therefore end the "great satan" from
protecting the "incestual offspring of satan" before it can once and for all
pave the way for the 12th Imam to return the Islamic glory to the world.
In the religious battle of good versus evil the imagery of Satan is strong,
and so too in Shia Islam is the imagery of the 12th Imam returning to the
Earth to help build an Islamic state. To those unfamiliar with the comcpet
of the 12th Imam, think any other religious end of days scenario that
involved a prophet, the son of God or any other religious entity reappearing
to punish those who do not believe and reward those who do.
To some of us, this type of scenario is nothing more than a story passed
down through time and warped through the many translations and
interpretations all religious texts have been through. To others, the
religion we worship is right and the end of days scenario written in our
religious texts is accurate.
But there's a huge difference with those that believe our end of days
scenario is accurate and the end of days belief of Ahmadinejad. Most
Christians who are proclaiming this is the end of life on Earth or that the
end is near don't actually feel that it is their duty to accelerate the end
of days. As many end of days sites as there are on the Internet, very few
actually state they want the end to come now, but rather they are exposing
what they believe are the signs towards that advancement.
On the other hand, Ahmadinejad is a student of a religious belief that Allah
wants his followers to wage war for his own fancies and die in his name; it
is that belief that treasures death more than life. When he is not dropping
notes to the 12th Imam who has been hiding in a well near Qom, Iran for
centuries, Ahmadinejad is shining in divine light at the United Nations. Not
only does Ahmadinejad feel he is chosen to help the return of the 12th Imam,
he feels it is his duty and these notes he tosses down the well indicate he
is trying to help the 12th Imam return.
We are stuck in a secular society, for good or bad that's for others to
decide, that doesn't take into consideration the fanatical religious beliefs
that predicate future events. In contrast, the government of Iran only knows
religion and feels their own nation's quests are predetermined in an effort
do Allah's bidding on this Earth. So while we as a nation and as an
international community have now seemingly resigned ourselves to the fact
Iran is a nuclear nation and while at least some diplomats, journalists and
so-called pundits are resigned to Iran acquiring nuclear weapons, we need to
shift our discussion to whether Iran will use a nuclear weapon and if so,
where would one be aimed.
I certainly believe Iran would use a nuclear weapon for the leaders of Iran
see it is their religious duty to do so, and from the statements made by
Ahmadinejad, I feel the United States will be the first hit in an effort to
make the United States impotent in defending Iran's short-term religious
goal which is the destruction of Israel. While other nations including Saudi
Arabia realize Iran's nucler weapons won't only be pointed towards Tel Aviv,
the same quieted condemnation out of the Middle East of Ahmadinejad's "wipe
Israel off the map" statements at "The World without Zionism" conference
will likely be heard, or not heard of course, if Iran were to strike Israel
first. There is no better target for Iran to strike that would strike up the
religious fanaticism the nation exudes than to strike Israel, but it must
first eliminate "the great satan" from protecting "the incestual offspring
of satan."
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/cat_iran.php
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| User: "CB" |
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06 May 2006 01:30:55 PM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
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| User: "Arizona Bushwhacker" |
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06 May 2006 01:49:02 PM |
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
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| User: "CB" |
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06 May 2006 02:05:01 PM |
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"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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07 May 2006 10:06:12 PM |
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CB wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5067g.6079$Jk2.2498@fed1read03...
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
Superstitious twaddle.
North Korea, tho, is a real threat.
RT
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| User: "CB" |
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07 May 2006 10:06:29 PM |
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"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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CB wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5067g.6079$Jk2.2498@fed1read03...
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting
the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
Superstitious twaddle.
North Korea, tho, is a real threat.
RT
Read my latest post, you ignoramus
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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07 May 2006 10:35:38 PM |
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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CB wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5067g.6079$Jk2.2498@fed1read03...
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting
the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
Superstitious twaddle.
North Korea, tho, is a real threat.
RT
Read my latest post, you ignoramus
North Korea is in the midst of a crippling famine. They are a threat to no
one.
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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07 May 2006 10:46:13 PM |
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Morton Davis wrote:
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
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CB wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5067g.6079$Jk2.2498@fed1read03...
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting
the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
Superstitious twaddle.
North Korea, tho, is a real threat.
RT
Read my latest post, you ignoramus
North Korea is in the midst of a crippling famine. They are a threat to no
one.
Other than their missiles, nuke program, and one of the largest armies in
the world...
RT
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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07 May 2006 10:33:20 PM |
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CB wrote:
"Rich Travsky" <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message
news:445EB5A4.4F3E169B@hotmMOVEail.com...
CB wrote:
"Arizona Bushwhacker" <AzBushwhacker@cox.net> wrote in message
news:5067g.6079$Jk2.2498@fed1read03...
"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KO47g.186$W83.14@trnddc07...
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Well if you do not want to engage America in
a full scale war with Russia and China... Then
leave Iran alone!
LOL, someone has to 'try' and stop the Hitler wannabe from resurrecting
the
12 imam/anti-Christ through chaos and more slaughter of Jews
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1541508/posts
Superstitious twaddle.
North Korea, tho, is a real threat.
RT
Read my latest post, you ignoramus
I did. Had a good laugh. Next?
RT
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07 May 2006 10:19:29 PM |
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www.jewsnotzionists.org/tenquestions.htm if iran attacked israel,
israel has MORE than enough nukes of their own to
retalliate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LET THE CROOKED NON-SEMITIC JEW-IMPOSTER
ISRAELI JEW-POSERS FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS!!!!!!!!!!!! 1.2 BILLION MUSLIMS
IS THEIR PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF THE CROOKED JEW CANT STAND THE HEAT,
GET THE F OUT THE DESERT AND RETURN THE THEIR ETHNIC HOMELANDS OF
EUROPA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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07 May 2006 11:32:52 PM |
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Proof, once again, that if you are going to take over some joint, the best
policy is to kill every one of the locals you can find and hunt down the
ones who manage to slip away.
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| User: "Non-demopublican Voter" |
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07 May 2006 11:52:42 PM |
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On 07 May 2006, Docky Wocky wrote:
Proof, once again, that if you are going to take over some joint, the best
policy is to kill every one of the locals you can find and hunt down the
ones who manage to slip away.
Right, so when are you gettin' strapped for Iraq?
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| User: "Defendario" |
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08 May 2006 07:55:57 PM |
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Non-demopublican Voter wrote:
On 07 May 2006, Docky Wocky wrote:
Proof, once again, that if you are going to take over some joint, the best
policy is to kill every one of the locals you can find and hunt down the
ones who manage to slip away.
Right, so when are you gettin' strapped for Iraq?
Hard-up tho' the Army might be, they wouldn't take this retard.
;D
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| User: "effty" |
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06 May 2006 06:07:39 PM |
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Exactly. That's why we have no intention of attacking Iran. Right?
Because it would be insane, right? It would mean world war, right?
Just face it. Bush is the anti-Christ and he wants us all to die.
~e.
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| User: "CB" |
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07 May 2006 05:00:16 AM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
Exactly. That's why we have no intention of attacking Iran. Right?
Allowing Iran to have nuclear shee'it would be more insane. There are worse
things than war
Because it would be insane, right? It would mean world war, right?
There are worse things than WWIII, there 'is' Islam practiced as Mohammed
did.
Just face it. Bush is the anti-Christ and he wants us all to die.
Do you look forward to the resurrection of the 12th imam, the Iranian
President does and to help make it happen he needs to destroy Israel and her
protectorate, America.
But you stick your head back down into the sand and tune back out.
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CB
A more likey outcome for Jews...this time...
http://stonegiant.com/Politics/aMoreLikelyScenario.gif
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| User: "effty" |
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07 May 2006 03:31:14 PM |
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Exactly. That's why we have no intention of attacking Iran. Right?
Allowing Iran to have nuclear shee'it would be more insane. There are
worse things than war
Because it would be insane, right? It would mean world war, right?
There are worse things than WWIII, there 'is' Islam practiced as Mohammed
did.
Just face it. Bush is the anti-Christ and he wants us all to die.
Do you look forward to the resurrection of the 12th imam, the Iranian
President does and to help make it happen he needs to destroy Israel and
her protectorate, America.
But you stick your head back down into the sand and tune back out.
--
CB
A more likey outcome for Jews...this time...
http://stonegiant.com/Politics/aMoreLikelyScenario.gif
This is all very well and good, but there are other solutions. Clamping
down (legally or illegally) on nuclear materials would be a good start.
Having the help of the UN in this matter would be ideal. Monitoring Iran
very closely should be a given.
Even if the US is not really "the Great Satan" the Iranians still see us as
such. IOW, we're in need of a great makeover. We don't need to reinforce
the idea with heavy rhetoric and bad foreign policy. A little diplomacy
would go a long way.
What's our face to the world at the moment? We're the country that's broken
the Geneva Conventions, and the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty. We helped
restore the opium trade in Afghanistan. We've destroyed Iraq.
Yeah, it's not hard to see why people hate us. This crap should have never
even gotten to this point.
The 12th Imam is a story. A fantasy. Not the basis for foreign policy
decisions. If it ever happened, the result would be a chorus of crickets,
not the end of the world.
Israel? Yeah, feel free to protect it, but don't drag the US down doing it.
Israel has a "holy land" to lose. America does not have a "holy land" to
lose. Nor should we.
All devoutly religious people are insane. The Iranians are insane for
wanting to destroy Israel, and you are insane for wanting to protect it.
The whole exchange has nothing to do with reality. You know, reality, like
what our politicians should be dealing in. Instead, they're dealing in
religious rhetoric, and it's a bit disturbing.
~e.
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| User: "CB" |
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07 May 2006 07:05:43 PM |
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Exactly. That's why we have no intention of attacking Iran. Right?
Allowing Iran to have nuclear shee'it would be more insane. There are
worse things than war
Because it would be insane, right? It would mean world war, right?
There are worse things than WWIII, there 'is' Islam practiced as Mohammed
did.
Just face it. Bush is the anti-Christ and he wants us all to die.
Do you look forward to the resurrection of the 12th imam, the Iranian
President does and to help make it happen he needs to destroy Israel and
her protectorate, America.
But you stick your head back down into the sand and tune back out.
--
CB
A more likey outcome for Jews...this time...
http://stonegiant.com/Politics/aMoreLikelyScenario.gif
This is all very well and good, but there are other solutions. Clamping
down (legally or illegally) on nuclear materials would be a good start.
Having the help of the UN in this matter would be ideal. Monitoring Iran
very closely should be a given.
I bet you think the UN's "Oil For Food" program worked too
Even if the US is not really "the Great Satan" the Iranians still see us
as such. IOW, we're in need of a great makeover. We don't need to
reinforce the idea with heavy rhetoric and bad foreign policy. A little
diplomacy would go a long way.
The only thing Islamo-Fascists understand is blunt force trauma, anything
short of that is considered weakness.
What's our face to the world at the moment? We're the country that's
broken the Geneva Conventions,
You're hallucinating
and the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.
How so?
We helped
restore the opium trade in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately that Evil was cheaper than paying the farmers not to grow it
which of course they would anyway. A happy farmer who has a little money to
spend is less likely to become a Jihadist
We've destroyed Iraq.
Ya gotta brake a few eggs to make an omelet.
We should have thumpted Saddamn after Desert Storm
Yeah, it's not hard to see why people hate us. This crap should have
never even gotten to this point.
It's better to have one wise friend than a thousand fools
The 12th Imam is a story. A fantasy. Not the basis for foreign policy
decisions. If it ever happened, the result would be a chorus of crickets,
not the end of the world.
So you're in favor of appathy, allowing Evil to advance for the sake of just
getting along
Israel? Yeah, feel free to protect it, but don't drag the US down doing
it. Israel has a "holy land" to lose. America does not have a "holy land"
to lose. Nor should we.
Our destiny is in parallel with Israel's. If we give up Israel to the
jackals of Damascus, how could we ever be morally respected again?
"The rights of neutrality will only be respected when they are defended by
an adequate power. A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the
privilege of being neutral."
--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 11
All devoutly religious people are insane.
Heh...as was your mother, father and grandparents?
The Iranians are insane for
wanting to destroy Israel, and you are insane for wanting to protect it.
No, I know to abandon Israel is to seal her fate and ours.
The whole exchange has nothing to do with reality.
The reality 'is', Jesus lived and died for the sins of the world. The
history of Israel and the persecution of Jews is proof. If you knew anything
about Revelation and how its coming true, you wouldn't be such a fool as to
pass it off as, "insane".
You know, reality, like
what our politicians should be dealing in. Instead, they're dealing in
religious rhetoric, and it's a bit disturbing.
Politicians are like intellectuals who ponder religion so to call them
selves enlightened but are fools. Even President Bush is a fool to think
Israel can be devided without the grace of God leaving America just so Evil
may take its place.
Without the grace of God we are at the mercy of man's nature.
CB
--
Romans 13
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have
praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that
which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is
the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
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08 May 2006 12:09:26 AM |
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"CB" <CB@PrayForMe.com> wrote in message
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"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Exactly. That's why we have no intention of attacking Iran. Right?
Allowing Iran to have nuclear shee'it would be more insane. There are
worse things than war
Because it would be insane, right? It would mean world war, right?
There are worse things than WWIII, there 'is' Islam practiced as
Mohammed did.
Just face it. Bush is the anti-Christ and he wants us all to die.
Do you look forward to the resurrection of the 12th imam, the Iranian
President does and to help make it happen he needs to destroy Israel and
her protectorate, America.
But you stick your head back down into the sand and tune back out.
--
CB
A more likey outcome for Jews...this time...
http://stonegiant.com/Politics/aMoreLikelyScenario.gif
This is all very well and good, but there are other solutions. Clamping
down (legally or illegally) on nuclear materials would be a good start.
Having the help of the UN in this matter would be ideal. Monitoring Iran
very closely should be a given.
I bet you think the UN's "Oil For Food" program worked too
Even if the US is not really "the Great Satan" the Iranians still see us
as such. IOW, we're in need of a great makeover. We don't need to
reinforce the idea with heavy rhetoric and bad foreign policy. A little
diplomacy would go a long way.
The only thing Islamo-Fascists understand is blunt force trauma, anything
short of that is considered weakness.
What's our face to the world at the moment? We're the country that's
broken the Geneva Conventions,
You're hallucinating
and the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty.
How so?
We helped
restore the opium trade in Afghanistan.
Unfortunately that Evil was cheaper than paying the farmers not to grow it
which of course they would anyway. A happy farmer who has a little money
to spend is less likely to become a Jihadist
We've destroyed Iraq.
Ya gotta brake a few eggs to make an omelet.
We should have thumpted Saddamn after Desert Storm
Yeah, it's not hard to see why people hate us. This crap should have
never even gotten to this point.
It's better to have one wise friend than a thousand fools
The 12th Imam is a story. A fantasy. Not the basis for foreign policy
decisions. If it ever happened, the result would be a chorus of
crickets, not the end of the world.
So you're in favor of appathy, allowing Evil to advance for the sake of
just getting along
Israel? Yeah, feel free to protect it, but don't drag the US down doing
it. Israel has a "holy land" to lose. America does not have a "holy
land" to lose. Nor should we.
Our destiny is in parallel with Israel's. If we give up Israel to the
jackals of Damascus, how could we ever be morally respected again?
"The rights of neutrality will only be respected when they are defended by
an adequate power. A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the
privilege of being neutral."
--Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 11
All devoutly religious people are insane.
Heh...as was your mother, father and grandparents?
The Iranians are insane for
wanting to destroy Israel, and you are insane for wanting to protect it.
No, I know to abandon Israel is to seal her fate and ours.
The whole exchange has nothing to do with reality.
The reality 'is', Jesus lived and died for the sins of the world. The
history of Israel and the persecution of Jews is proof. If you knew
anything about Revelation and how its coming true, you wouldn't be such a
fool as to pass it off as, "insane".
You know, reality, like
what our politicians should be dealing in. Instead, they're dealing in
religious rhetoric, and it's a bit disturbing.
Politicians are like intellectuals who ponder religion so to call them
selves enlightened but are fools. Even President Bush is a fool to think
Israel can be devided without the grace of God leaving America just so
Evil may take its place.
Without the grace of God we are at the mercy of man's nature.
CB
--
Romans 13
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou
then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt
have
praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that
which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is
the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
This is the most interesting post I've read in a while. You've encapsulated
an interesting viewpoint and presented it to me.
Really, I agree with you in spirit. I just don't think that the function of
government is to follow religious reasoning. We don't ascribe to the ideas
of theocracy even if we ultimately ascribe to theocratic goals. That's just
not the function of our government as we created it.
Our political system will warp any intent; any godly intent included. Take
this war, for instance. The intent of soldiers that signed up was never to
commit torture in the name of our country, but some of them have. That's
what this current mix of government and faith has brought us; soldiers who
torture.
I'm not attached to the "holy land" in the same way that you are. I'm
attached to America. I even like New Jersey. This passion play you've
constructed for Israel is fascinating, but if you want to make it a battle
of "good" and "evil" you'll be hard pressed to find a group to represent
"good." Us? Hardly.
I this idea of yours, you're looking for all these over-arching religious
ideas. You're looking for these ideas that lead to this great rapture.
You're forgetting the main theme of your own religion. You're forgetting
the parable of the motherfucking mustard seed. That seed is goodness, and
good Christian acts. You can't build a kingdom or fill a field with mustard
without that goodness. You can't get to great without good. You're trying
to get to great without going through good.
That's crazy.
~e.
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08 May 2006 05:41:53 AM |
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I have GREAT NEWS!
You have no need to worry about Muslims 'getting their religion killing
Jews'.
Muslims know Israel does not have any Jews in it.
Israel is full of WHITE PEOPLE with WHITE GENETICS who came from
EUROPE.
They are Jewish in religion, because their ancestors CONVERTED to Jews,
EXACTLY LIKE -- YOUR ANCESTORS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANS or whatever from
your own true cultural history.
Muslims don't like Israel because they are White people from Europe who
invaded and stole all that land and murdered all the ACTUAL SEMITES OF
SEMITE GENETIC ANCESTRY - called Palestinians, you know, Palestinians,
those people ACTUALLY FROM the land of Israel - Palestinians of SEMITE
RACE who have lived on that land since long before Jesus, since before
the WHITE CONVERTS invaded and murdered them.
Biblical Jews were white, if you are an American or an Israeli. The
rest of the planet knows modern Jews have no actual ancestry back to
Abraham. So, you can relax.
Assuming any of them ever really existed: Moses, Abraham, Jesus, the
Apostles, were BABYLONIAN ARABS - just like the Iraqis being murdered
in the wars for Jewhite Power Apartheid Israel.
In the words of the Israelis to the Ethiopian Jews in Israeli Defense
Forces uniform at the pullout from a tiny portion of the West Bank -
"GO HOME *****!"
Yes, the Israeli WHITE CAUCASIAN EUROPEANS (Americans PRETEND are a
form of semite), called their Ethiopian Jewish brothers NIGGERS and to
GO HOME!
Wake up.
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| User: "Defendario" |
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08 May 2006 07:42:46 PM |
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8-) Posting! TY
fastillion@charter.net wrote:
I have GREAT NEWS!
You have no need to worry about Muslims 'getting their religion killing
Jews'.
Muslims know Israel does not have any Jews in it.
Israel is full of WHITE PEOPLE with WHITE GENETICS who came from
EUROPE.
They are Jewish in religion, because their ancestors CONVERTED to Jews,
EXACTLY LIKE -- YOUR ANCESTORS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANS or whatever from
your own true cultural history.
Muslims don't like Israel because they are White people from Europe who
invaded and stole all that land and murdered all the ACTUAL SEMITES OF
SEMITE GENETIC ANCESTRY - called Palestinians, you know, Palestinians,
those people ACTUALLY FROM the land of Israel - Palestinians of SEMITE
RACE who have lived on that land since long before Jesus, since before
the WHITE CONVERTS invaded and murdered them.
Biblical Jews were white, if you are an American or an Israeli. The
rest of the planet knows modern Jews have no actual ancestry back to
Abraham. So, you can relax.
Assuming any of them ever really existed: Moses, Abraham, Jesus, the
Apostles, were BABYLONIAN ARABS - just like the Iraqis being murdered
in the wars for Jewhite Power Apartheid Israel.
In the words of the Israelis to the Ethiopian Jews in Israeli Defense
Forces uniform at the pullout from a tiny portion of the West Bank -
"GO HOME *****!"
Yes, the Israeli WHITE CAUCASIAN EUROPEANS (Americans PRETEND are a
form of semite), called their Ethiopian Jewish brothers NIGGERS and to
GO HOME!
Wake up.
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| User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" |
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| Title: Re: The first blow of WORLD WAR III ?!?!??? |
06 May 2006 01:57:43 PM |
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CB wrote:
"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KO47g.186$W83.14@trnddc07...
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
CB and AWOL Bush want to rule the world.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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| User: "CB" |
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06 May 2006 02:07:52 PM |
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"GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" <gw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hk67g.960680$xm3.165409@attbi_s21...
CB wrote:
"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KO47g.186$W83.14@trnddc07...
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
CB and AWOL Bush want to rule the world.
I want my president to kick mullah headed tinhorns who create chaos to
resurrect the anti-Christ, yes.
As for ruling, I would rather serve
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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| Title: Re: The first blow of WORLD WAR III ?!?!??? |
12 May 2006 10:35:12 PM |
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CB wrote:
"GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" <gw@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Hk67g.960680$xm3.165409@attbi_s21...
CB wrote:
"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KO47g.186$W83.14@trnddc07...
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
~e.
Look who backs Iran dumbass, get real!
CB and AWOL Bush want to rule the world.
I want my president to kick mullah headed tinhorns who create chaos to
resurrect the anti-Christ, yes.
You want a president acting out mythology? Sad.
As for ruling, I would rather serve
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| User: "Deaf Power" |
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06 May 2006 01:27:17 PM |
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On Sat, 06 May 2006 17:13:14 GMT, "effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com>
wrote:
WTF?
Please tell me this isn't the way he actually sees things.
Please?
President Bush is full of hot air.
--
Bush = Nixon
https://political.moveon.org/donate/notillegal-QT.html
http://www.bushflash.com/14.html
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
http://www.new-enlightenment.com/nazification_step4.htm
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