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13 Sep 2004 11:20:42 PM |
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The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
How Kerry Received His First Purple Heart
John Kerry received his first purple heart as a result of action on 2
December, 1968. The problem seems to be that it was Kerry's own action that
caused his wound.
The first thing to note is that while Kerry's web site contains the action
reports for his first and second purple heart, the action report for his
first purple heart is conspicously missing.
So let's look at the testimony that was given about the event. First we
have Kerry's own statement.
"The entire sky seemed to explode into daylight. The men from the sampans
bolted erect, stiff with shock for only an instant before they sprang for
cover like a herd of panicked gazelles . "We opened fire," he went on. "The
light from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My
M-16 jammed, and as I bent down in the boat to grab another gun, a stinging
piece of heat socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By this
time one of the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach,
strafing it. Then it was quiet. "
Then we have the account of Admiral William Schachte (US Navy retired) who
was in charge of the boat that Kerry was on that night.
"My gun jammed after the first burst and I was trying to clear my weapon.
John's gun apparently jammed too," says Schachte. "I heard the old familiar
'Thump-pow!' and I look, and John had fired the M-79 grenade launcher. And
there was silence. That's when I realized that he had nicked himself."
This quote comes from an interview with NBC's Lisa Myers. Lisa continued
her questioning of Schachte and it went like this:
Lisa Myers: You have absolutely no doubt that he injured himself
accidentally?"
Adm. William Schachte: There was no other fire. There were no muzzle
flashes. There was nothing coming at us from the beach.
Myers: There was no enemy fire involved.
Schachte: None.
Myers: You're absolutely certain?
Schachte: Yes.
Myers: 36 years later?
Schachte: Hey, listen, when somebody's shooting at you, you know it.
Myers: But you are, in a sense, saying Senator Kerry is lying and did not
deserve his Purple Heart.
Schachte: I'm saying that he did not deserve the first Purple Heart from
what I saw. You can characterize it anyway you want."
Later Kerry went to have the tiny piece of shrapnel removed from his arm.
The doctor who treated him was Dr. Louis Letson. This is his testimony.
"I know John Kerry is lying about his first purple heart, because I treated
him for that injury."
"The fragment was about the size of a match stick," Letson said. "It was
sticking out of his arm. I grabbed it out and put a Band Aid on it. It
didn't require an anesthesia or sutures."
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been shot
at yet,'
Since the exposure of Kerry's log the Kerry campaign has backtracked and
admitted that the wound might have been self inflicted. The assertions of
the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were verified.
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
13 Sep 2004 11:40:39 PM |
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"TR" <TR@aol.com> wrote in message
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[...]
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
A nit: his crew (presumably including him) hadn't been fired at yet. He may
have realized later that he wasn't under fire, but thought he was at the
time. Does that qualify or not for a purple heart? Not sure.
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| User: "TR" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
14 Sep 2004 12:17:42 AM |
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"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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[...]
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made
an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
A nit: his crew (presumably including him) hadn't been fired at yet. He
may
have realized later that he wasn't under fire, but thought he was at the
time. Does that qualify or not for a purple heart? Not sure.
No, thinking you are fired at only qualifies in Kerry's mind. In any case,
he was refused the purple heart when he first applied. And he applied a
second time after the doctor who pulled the tiny shrapnel out of his skin
left. And that second application was after he had written that he had not
been fired at.
http://thereactionary.home.mindspring.com
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| User: "Tom Adams" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
14 Sep 2004 11:15:05 AM |
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"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<bDu1d.648$Y65.616@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
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[...]
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
A nit: his crew (presumably including him) hadn't been fired at yet. He may
have realized later that he wasn't under fire, but thought he was at the
time. Does that qualify or not for a purple heart? Not sure.
A self-inflicted wound in the heat of battle can qualify for a purple
heart. So the fact that it may have been self-inflicted is moot.
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| User: "TR" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
16 Sep 2004 11:46:56 PM |
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"Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[...]
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made
an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
A nit: his crew (presumably including him) hadn't been fired at yet. He
may
have realized later that he wasn't under fire, but thought he was at the
time. Does that qualify or not for a purple heart? Not sure.
A self-inflicted wound in the heat of battle can qualify for a purple
heart. So the fact that it may have been self-inflicted is moot.
The heat of what battle? There was no one shooting at him.
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| User: "Tom Adams" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
19 Sep 2004 09:03:07 AM |
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[...]
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made
an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
A nit: his crew (presumably including him) hadn't been fired at yet. He
may
have realized later that he wasn't under fire, but thought he was at the
time. Does that qualify or not for a purple heart? Not sure.
A self-inflicted wound in the heat of battle can qualify for a purple
heart. So the fact that it may have been self-inflicted is moot.
The heat of what battle? There was no one shooting at him.
He was shooting at them. They constituted a threat. The encounter
occurred at night in a free fire zone. Kerry and his men were in an
exposed position. Kerry and the 2 men under his command were in a
Boston Whaler at night in a free fire zone.
You should vote for the man who showed the most bravery in his
response to Vietnam.
Kerry or Bush? You choose.
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| User: "TR" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
20 Sep 2004 09:12:28 PM |
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"Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He was shooting at them. They constituted a threat.
So let's see, if I see someone walking down the sidewalk and I start
shooting at them that means that they are a threat. What *****. There
is no evidence that the people who Kerry shot at were either a threat or
if they were even armed.
You should vote for the man who showed the most bravery in his
response to Vietnam.
Kerry didn't show any bravery. In fact his first reaction to the mine
hitting
another boat during his phoney bronze star episode was to run. The other
three boats stayed to help the disabled boat. Kerry ran like a coward.
Kerry
went to Vietnam soley to get film of himself being a war hero. The minute
he
had it he abandoned his shipmates.
Kerry or Bush? You choose.
Bush, any time and every time. You should never vote for a man who is
as hated by the military as much as Kerry.
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| User: "Tom Adams" |
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| Title: Re: The Fraud of Kerry's First Purple Heart |
21 Sep 2004 07:09:37 AM |
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He was shooting at them. They constituted a threat.
So let's see, if I see someone walking down the sidewalk
I think you have Bush and Kerry confused. Bush was the one walking
down the sidewalk (or most likely, staggering down the sidewalk) in
the US while Kerry was fighting in Vietnam. Kerry was not walking
down a sidewalk when he got his first purple star. He was in the
dark, in a Boston Whaler, in a US military designated free-fire zone,
where he suprised some guys on the bank. Are you some kind of liberal
wenie who thinks he should have waited till they fired first?
and I start
shooting at them that means that they are a threat. What *****. There
is no evidence that the people who Kerry shot at were either a threat or
if they were even armed.
You should vote for the man who showed the most bravery in his
response to Vietnam.
Kerry didn't show any bravery. In fact his first reaction to the mine
hitting
another boat during his phoney bronze star episode was to run. The other
three boats stayed to help the disabled boat. Kerry ran like a coward.
Kerry
went to Vietnam soley to get film of himself being a war hero.
So, the Viet-Cong were just extras in Kerry's home movie? And I
always thought that they were communist insurgents fighting to take
control of Vietnam.
But then I never realized that Saddam was a Islamist insurgent trying
to bring pro-Bin Laden goverments to the Middle East. I thought he
was a secular Bathist dictator who pounded Islamist insurgents with an
iron fist that whimpy Bush does not have the guts to use in Iraq. Bob
Novak's column reports that Bush plans to leave Irag with his tail
between his legs next year if he is re-elected, even if that gives Bin
Laden's insurgents a victory. What we need is a secular
anti-Bin-Laden dictator in Irag. But that's what Bush destroyed when
he invaded and its too late to put the pieces back together.
The book _Imperial Hubris_ has a little prayer by Bin Laden's number
two where he thanks God for the US invasion of Iraq. The author of
the book, one of the CIAs foremost Bin Laden experts, says that
current US policy is the only essential aspect of Bin Laden's stategy
to take over the Middle East. Bush is Bin Laden's only essential
ally.
_Imperial Hubris_ points out that Bin Laden would not have training
camps in Afganistan if his main business was planning terror attacks
like 911. 99% of his effort goes in to training insurgents to fight
in places like Iraq. 911's main purpose was recruiting more
insurgents.
Bush is a fool.
The minute
he
had it he abandoned his shipmates.
Kerry or Bush? You choose.
Bush, any time and every time. You should never vote for a man who is
as hated by the military as much as Kerry.
There are plenty in the military who hate Bush.
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| User: "TR" |
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21 Sep 2004 09:24:55 PM |
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"Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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He was shooting at them. They constituted a threat.
So let's see, if I see someone walking down the sidewalk
I think you have Bush and Kerry confused.
The only confusion here is you confusing Kerry with a human being.
Bush was the one walking
down the sidewalk (or most likely, staggering down the sidewalk) in
the US while Kerry was fighting in Vietnam.
A. Kerry tried to get an excemption from the military to go study in
Paris but was refused.
B. Kerry joined the Naval Reserves. Not the Navy.
C. Kerry wanted to command a Swift Boat cause it made him think of
PT109.
D. When Kerry volunteered for swift boat duty they were only doing
coastal patrols.
E. When they changed the mission of the Swift Boats to include river
duty Kerry bitched and bellyached that he had not signed up for
such dangerous duty.
F. After he got his third phony purple heart he abandoned his
crewmates after only serving 4 months.
Kerry was not walking
down a sidewalk when he got his first purple star.
It's a purple heart moron, not a purple star. And you are being entirely
too literalist.
He was in the
dark, in a Boston Whaler, in a US military designated free-fire zone,
where he suprised some guys on the bank.
Every case of "some guys on the bank" is not a case of the enemy. Most
of the time it's just some Vietnamese trying to make a living.
Are you some kind of liberal
wenie who thinks he should have waited till they fired first?
No, I'm a conservative wennie who claims that the first purple heart
was a fraud because there was no enemy fire. That is also the standard
of the military. And that is why Kerry was refused the first time that he
applied for that purple heart.
and I start
shooting at them that means that they are a threat. What *****.
There
is no evidence that the people who Kerry shot at were either a threat or
if they were even armed.
You should vote for the man who showed the most bravery in his
response to Vietnam.
Kerry didn't show any bravery. In fact his first reaction to the mine
hitting
another boat during his phoney bronze star episode was to run. The other
three boats stayed to help the disabled boat. Kerry ran like a coward.
Kerry
went to Vietnam soley to get film of himself being a war hero.
So, the Viet-Cong were just extras in Kerry's home movie?
He didn't shoot movies while the Viet-Cong were around. He instead
staged his own phony reenactments.
But then I never realized that Saddam was a Islamist insurgent trying
to bring pro-Bin Laden goverments to the Middle East. I thought he
was a secular Bathist dictator who pounded Islamist insurgents with an
iron fist
Again you show yourself to be a moron. Saddam allowed the terrorist
group Ansar Al Islam to make themselves a home in the portion of
Iraq that he controlled. He sent 25,000 to the family of every Palestinian
suicide bomber.
that whimpy Bush does not have the guts to use in Iraq. Bob
Novak's column reports that Bush plans to leave Irag with his tail
between his legs next year if he is re-elected,
Bob Novak doesn't have a shred of evidence to back up his idiotic
story.
even if that gives Bin
Laden's insurgents a victory. What we need is a secular
anti-Bin-Laden dictator in Irag.
No, we need a democracy in Iraq because that is the only thing that
will appeal more to people in the long run than Islamic fundamentalism.
But that's what Bush destroyed when
he invaded and its too late to put the pieces back together.
The book _Imperial Hubris_ has a little prayer by Bin Laden's number
two where he thanks God for the US invasion of Iraq. The author of
the book, one of the CIAs foremost Bin Laden experts, says that
current US policy is the only essential aspect of Bin Laden's stategy
to take over the Middle East. Bush is Bin Laden's only essential
ally.
The author of your book is an idiot. Bush is going to give Iraq
democracy and that is the last thing that the Islamofacists want there.
_Imperial Hubris_ points out that Bin Laden would not have training
camps in Afganistan if his main business was planning terror attacks
like 911. 99% of his effort goes in to training insurgents to fight
in places like Iraq. 911's main purpose was recruiting more
insurgents.
And our main purpose is to kill the Islamic insurgents. If we can do
it in Iraq instead of in the US, so much the better. If every Islamofacist
in the world comes to Iraq to fight the US, then they are playing right
into our hands because then they are where we can kill them.
The minute
he
had it he abandoned his shipmates.
Kerry or Bush? You choose.
Bush, any time and every time. You should never vote for a man who is
as hated by the military as much as Kerry.
There are plenty in the military who hate Bush.
You only have to look at the speeches that the two gave to the military
organizations to see that Bush is far more popular than Kerry. Bush got
standing ovations. Kerry received the occasional polite but muted
applause.
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| User: "Tom Adams" |
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22 Sep 2004 07:05:16 AM |
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"TR" <TR@aol.com> wrote in message news:<Xn54d.6745
No, we need a democracy in Iraq because that is the only thing that
will appeal more to people in the long run than Islamic fundamentalism.
That's not really the key issue: democracy vs Islamic fundamentalism.
You forget that our policies in the Middle East look like an attack on
Islam. Bin Laden's appeal is to Moslems to defend Islam. That is the
wellspring of the opposition.
Pleating about democracy in Irag, you put a bleeding heart liberal to
shame. Give them a chance to vote and they will show us they hate us
because we are supporting Israel. Bin Laden argues that Moslems who
do not fight to defend the Palestinians will go to hell, and he has
doctrine to back him up. (Of course you can "prove" all sorts of stuff
with scripture.)
You ignore the impact of our policies. This democracy crap is just a
diversion.
We are going to have to kill a lot of people before this is over. If
we insist on continuing to be Israel's lap dog, and the electorial
realities say that we will insist on that, then we will have to kill
ten times as many. We will need some really brutal dictators over
there to help us do all the killing.
This is war, bozo.
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14 Sep 2004 05:57:51 AM |
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***** or should I say BUSHSHIT - Can when with the truth so smear
"TR" <TR@aol.com> wrote in message
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How Kerry Received His First Purple Heart
John Kerry received his first purple heart as a result of action on 2
December, 1968. The problem seems to be that it was Kerry's own action
that
caused his wound.
The first thing to note is that while Kerry's web site contains the action
reports for his first and second purple heart, the action report for his
first purple heart is conspicously missing.
So let's look at the testimony that was given about the event. First we
have Kerry's own statement.
"The entire sky seemed to explode into daylight. The men from the sampans
bolted erect, stiff with shock for only an instant before they sprang for
cover like a herd of panicked gazelles . "We opened fire," he went on.
"The
light from the flares started to fade, the air was full of explosions. My
M-16 jammed, and as I bent down in the boat to grab another gun, a
stinging
piece of heat socked into my arm and just seemed to burn like hell. By
this
time one of the sailors had started the engine and we ran by the beach,
strafing it. Then it was quiet. "
Then we have the account of Admiral William Schachte (US Navy retired) who
was in charge of the boat that Kerry was on that night.
"My gun jammed after the first burst and I was trying to clear my weapon.
John's gun apparently jammed too," says Schachte. "I heard the old
familiar
'Thump-pow!' and I look, and John had fired the M-79 grenade launcher. And
there was silence. That's when I realized that he had nicked himself."
This quote comes from an interview with NBC's Lisa Myers. Lisa continued
her questioning of Schachte and it went like this:
Lisa Myers: You have absolutely no doubt that he injured himself
accidentally?"
Adm. William Schachte: There was no other fire. There were no muzzle
flashes. There was nothing coming at us from the beach.
Myers: There was no enemy fire involved.
Schachte: None.
Myers: You're absolutely certain?
Schachte: Yes.
Myers: 36 years later?
Schachte: Hey, listen, when somebody's shooting at you, you know it.
Myers: But you are, in a sense, saying Senator Kerry is lying and did not
deserve his Purple Heart.
Schachte: I'm saying that he did not deserve the first Purple Heart from
what I saw. You can characterize it anyway you want."
Later Kerry went to have the tiny piece of shrapnel removed from his arm.
The doctor who treated him was Dr. Louis Letson. This is his testimony.
"I know John Kerry is lying about his first purple heart, because I
treated
him for that injury."
"The fragment was about the size of a match stick," Letson said. "It was
sticking out of his arm. I grabbed it out and put a Band Aid on it. It
didn't require an anesthesia or sutures."
More recently an inspection of Kerry's personal logs show that he made an
entry nine days after this event in which he said that he 'hadn't been
shot
at yet,'
Since the exposure of Kerry's log the Kerry campaign has backtracked and
admitted that the wound might have been self inflicted. The assertions of
the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were verified.
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