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User: " Knowsley Pete"
Date: 23 May 2006 09:24:45 AM
Object: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php
Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All
This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed reguarly
while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a U.S. soldier
who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.
Excerpts:
"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people out
and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of the
house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his
youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our interrogation.
He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe trying to support his
family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer, we'd start killing off
his family until he told us something. If he didn't know anything, I guess
he was SOL."
and
"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."
Watch the video here.
http://www.peacefilms.org/
or here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 09 Jun 2006 04:56:46 PM
Knowsley Pete wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed reguarly
while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a U.S. soldier
who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

(cut)
"Jessie Macbeth" has been shown to be a fraud and a liar- A. McIntire
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005245.htm
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 24 May 2006 02:40:58 AM
Knowsley Pete wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed reguarly
while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a U.S. soldier
who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Jessie MacBeth is anything BUT honest.
Michael
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User: "George"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 09:30:15 AM
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly.

Of course ou can't, Pete. If you recommended it any more highly, You'd
become the new spokesman for Saddam Hussein. Oh wait...
George
.
User: " Knowsley Pete"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 01:56:46 PM
"George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote in message
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" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly.


Of course ou can't, Pete. If you recommended it any more highly, You'd
become the new spokesman for Saddam Hussein. Oh wait...

I wasn't recommending anything George - I posted
an entry fromDahr Jamails weblog - word for word.
I hope this video isn't true but Dahr Jamail tends to check
his sources before posting on his site.
I've never supported Saddam Hussein - thanks very much,
just like I'd never support George W Bush!
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 03:35:15 PM
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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"George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote in message
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" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation
of Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly.


Of course ou can't, Pete. If you recommended it any more highly, You'd
become the new spokesman for Saddam Hussein. Oh wait...


I wasn't recommending anything George - I posted
an entry fromDahr Jamails weblog - word for word.

Oh. I suppose the newsbot in you was just carrying out instructions as
ordered, eh? No emotion, no opinion on the matter. You just pushed the
button and out it went.

I hope this video isn't true but Dahr Jamail tends to check
his sources before posting on his site.

The question is, do you?

I've never supported Saddam Hussein - thanks very much,
just like I'd never support George W Bush!

I'm happy for you, Pete.
George
.


User: "Ariadne"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 12:46:42 PM
George wrote:

" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly.


Of course ou can't, Pete. If you recommended it any more highly, You'd
become the new spokesman for Saddam Hussein. Oh wait...

George

He must be a soul-sister of Treifleman and
Slow Mo Exley who have jumped to respond.
.


User: "Chris X"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 10:13:19 AM
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:44731b42$0$79689$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed
reguarly while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a
U.S. soldier who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Excerpts:

"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people
out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of
the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot
his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our
interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe
trying to support his family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer,
we'd start killing off his family until he told us something. If he didn't
know anything, I guess he was SOL."

and

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."

Watch the video here.
http://www.peacefilms.org/

or here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

Doesn't change my view, but hopefully it will inspire some of the
fence-sitters to finally pull themselves together and muster the courage to
oppose it. Thanks for posting this !
.
User: ""

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 09 Jun 2006 04:55:39 PM
Chris X wrote:

" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
news:44731b42$0$79689$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed
reguarly while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a
U.S. soldier who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Excerpts:

"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people
out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of
the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot
his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our
interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe
trying to support his family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer,
we'd start killing off his family until he told us something. If he didn't
know anything, I guess he was SOL."

and

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."

Watch the video here.
http://www.peacefilms.org/

or here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth


Doesn't change my view, but hopefully it will inspire some of the
fence-sitters to finally pull themselves together and muster the courage to
oppose it. Thanks for posting this !

Thanks for posting lies? "Jessie MacBeth" is a liar and his claims
have been shown to be fraudulent- A. McIntire
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/005245.htm
.

User: ""

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 09 Jun 2006 02:04:40 PM
Since Vietnam, U.S. soldiers, sailors, and airmen have "survived"
combat, to the extent they have, by obtaining and using narcotics.
Pot, peyote, and hash are fully ingrained now into American culture,
and as long as these can be procured, we'll continue to hear about
Hadithas and its ilk in all future conflicts. Drugs are the sole
source of the numbness and unfeeling blood thirst that sustains our
field military in the face of grinding combat horrors. Sober, our
forces are feckless. I'm not talking about criminals or cowards. Up
until Vietnam, alcohol was the sustaining product. Now, drugs do it.
=======
Chris X wrote:

" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed
reguarly while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a
U.S. soldier who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Excerpts:

"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people
out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of
the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot
his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our
interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe
trying to support his family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer,
we'd start killing off his family until he told us something. If he didn't
know anything, I guess he was SOL."

and

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."

Watch the video here.
http://www.peacefilms.org/

or here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth


Doesn't change my view, but hopefully it will inspire some of the
fence-sitters to finally pull themselves together and muster the courage to
oppose it. Thanks for posting this !

.


User: "Richard none"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 28 May 2006 08:08:43 AM
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed
reguarly while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a
U.S. soldier who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Nice to see you taken in by this fraud Pete LOL :-))))
From
http://wizbangblog.com/2006/05/23/the-jesse-macbeth-video.php
Jesse MacBeth's lies about committing war atrocities as a Ranger in Iraq,
while he was actually in and out of jail in Arizona, have his buddies on the
left and in Iraq Veterans Against The War scrambling to disassociate
themselves with MacBeth.
and from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
Timeline and Inconsistencies
Over time, Macbeth has given several interviews and has been quoted and
published in several online sources. A number of inconsistencies have
appeared in reports about him, or in quotes attributed to him.
Jessie Macbeth, as used in the video, may not be the correct spelling of his
name; he has also been identified as Jesse Macbeth and Jesse MacBeth by
various online publications.
A narrator in the video says that Macbeth "...served in Iraq for 16 months
before being wounded..." The war began on 20 March 2003. The Eastern Arizona
Courier reported on 3 November 2003 that Jesse MacBeth had returned 2 and a
half months prior - roughly in late August of 2003, after sustaining a back
injury, limiting possible time actually in Iraq to five months[2].
Macbeth is quoted in an April 26, 2006 SocialistAlternative.org article as
saying that he was "stabbed many times," has shrapnel in his knee, and has
been shot in the back, and that he has received the Purple Heart.[3] The
Eastern Arizona Courier article reported that MacBeth had been shot in the
back by an M16 rifle while in an Iraqi tunnel, but that a Canadian nurse
stitched him up and he continued fighting. (Canada was not a known
participant in the Multinational force in Iraq at the time of the article's
publication.) The article also says that he planned to attend a hearing that
month about a medical discharge from the Army. There was no mention of the
stabbings or the shrapnel in the article.
The report on SocialistAlternative.org includes the Macbeth quote "We would
leave the bodies in the streets and blame it on the Shi'ites or the Sunnis.
[In Fallujah] we were ordered to go into mosques and slaughter people while
they were praying." In the video, he said this was in retribution for the
similar acts done to the bodies of American contractors. The mutilation and
public display of American corpses in Fallujah happened March 31, 2004,
after the publication of the Eastern Arizona Courier article placing Macbeth
in Arizona.
An Arizona Indymedia article by the Free to Camp Coalition reported that in
March of 2004, Macbeth was banned from an Arizona coffee shop for wearing
his military uniform. The article refered to Macbeth as a young Iraq war
veteran[4]. In April of 2004, Macbeth was involved in a protest organized by
the coalition, concerning the banning and other alleged discriminatory
practices. Macbeth is described as an Iraq war veteran in The State Press,
the student newspaper at Arizona State University, in an April 12 article
[5], an April 12 editorial[6] and an April 19 editorial [7].
An April 23, 2004 guest editorial attributed to Jesse Macbeth in also
appeared in The State Press about the coffee shop dispute, noting that he
had already spent 16 months in Iraq. The column was published, despite the
war's duration being only 13 months then. The writer asserted that he was
about to be redeployed[8].
Operation Vigilant Resolve, an attempt by U.S. forces to gain control of the
city of Fallujah, began in April of 2004.
From June to September of 2004, Macbeth (or his attorney) was dealing with
legal issues in Arizona. On Sept. 28, 2004, Macbeth was convicted of
fraudulent use of a credit card in Graham County (Arizona) Superior
Court[9].
Operation Plymouth Rock, the Marines' siege of Fallujah, occurred in
November of 2004. The Supreme Court of Arizona's public access to court
documents database indicates that Macbeth had some records pertaining to
probation recorded after the siege and through May of 2006.
In the report on SocialistAlternative.org, Macbeth says his unit was the 3d
Ranger Battalion. The unit did not participate in the siege of Fallujah.
Macbeth also says he was "picked" for Ranger School. Ranger School students
are strictly volunteers[10]. Macbeth's face is also not discernable among
photos of Ranger School graduating classes from 2001 to 2003 available on
the Internet[11].
Additionally, many people have questioned the authenticity of Macbeth's
uniform:
a.. Macbeth wears his beret with the flash over his right eye, with the
excess material draped over his left ear, whereas Army Regulation 670-1
clearly states "The beret is worn so that the headband (edge binding) is
straight across the forehead, 1 inch above the eyebrows. The flash is
positioned over the left eye, and the excess material is draped over to the
right ear, extending to at least the top of the ear, and no lower than the
middle of the ear.";
b.. Macbeth claims that he served with 3d Ranger Battalion, but wears a
Special Forces Combat Patch;
c.. Macbeth wears both the Special Forces and Airborne tabs on his right
shoulder. Special skill tabs are only authorized on the left shoulder. The
Airborne tab is deemed a part of the unit patch and is authorized, however
the Special Forces tab is not;
d.. Macbeth wears Corporal rank. According to Regimental policy, combat
arms soldiers are not permitted past the rank of Specialist without having
graduated Ranger school. Macbeth does not wear the Ranger tab, which denotes
that he did not graduate;
e.. Macbeth does not wear a Parachutist badge, worn by Rangers because
they are airborne troops ;
f.. Macbeth's rank is not sewn onto his uniform. This is highly irregular
for a Ranger, as pin-on rank poses a hazard during Airborne operations and
is highly discouraged;
g.. Macbeth rolls his sleeves with the inside of the sleeve pointing
outwards in the manner of a Marine, however the correct way for a Soldier to
roll his sleeves would be to roll them without any of the inside material
showing;
h.. Macbeth wears the flash of the 1st Special Forces Group [12] on his
tan Ranger beret rather than the 3/75th Ranger flash [13], and no regimental
crest attached;
i.. Macbeth is wearing a black undershirt, which is not authorized for any
Soldier while in a garrison environment;
j.. Macbeth's uniform appears very wrinkled and disheveled, which is
against Regimental policy while wearing a "spits and starch" uniform, the
only uniform in which a Ranger is authorized to wear his beret.
Critics of Macbeth suggest that because, in the photo his uniform and beret
is not correct, it is extremely doubtful that he was a soldier of any kind,
let alone a Ranger.
Additionally, on Military.com, an account in his name had a profile that
claimed two awards of both the Combat Infantryman Badge and Combat Action
Badge, as well as the Parachutist Badge, with 3 combat service stars, until
22 May 2006. Decoration with both the CIB and CAB is possible under certain
circumstances, though impossible without switching operational specialities.
Decoration with two awards of the CIB is not possible without combat service
prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom. Decoration with two awards of the CAB was
not possible at the time of the profile's posting.[14] A Parachutist Badge
with 3 combat stars is not possible without having served in Operation
Desert Storm and/or an earlier conflict. In order to have been awarded all
awards on this Military.com account, Macbeth would have had to have a much
longer military career than he claimed, as well as be at least 10 years
older than he is.
The Socialistalternative.org interview with Macbeth was published April 26,
2006. Socialist Alternative continues to run the fraudulent account without
a disclaimer.
On May 22, 2006, the Just Citizens blog posted a quote attributed to Army
spokesman John Boyce about Macbeth:
"Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg
shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to
the Special Forces or the Army Rangers -- which are, in fact, two separate
disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. [15]"
.
User: "Mikado"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 28 May 2006 10:34:48 AM
It didn't change the way I feel about the occupation. It still isn't
right but the thing is if you train people to be killers and then they
kill you can't be suprised can you?
about the WW2 thing i can't believe the US can be so cocky. They had no
direct contact with war so they were all comfy. There were mant in the
US that didn't want to enter the war and would have left their english
speaking comrades to die (which they did for 2-3 years). So they should
actually be ASHAMED they didn't enter earlier.
.


User: " Knowsley Pete"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 02:42:41 PM
"The Happy Hippy" <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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If members of the anti-war faction have been taken in by a hoax which
tells
them what they want to hear, it's nothing unusual and doesn't really do
anything to discredit the anti-war movement as a whole. Being 'suckered'
doesn't make the premise upon which beliefs are built disappear.

I was careful not to comment on this other than to post what some
anti-war sites are reporting. I posted it off the back off Dahr Jamail's
weblog. If it is a fake, as you say, it could be the brainchild of someone
on either the left or the right. It's a pretty shitty thing to do agaisnt
the
ivaw people if it is a fake. It would also serve to discredit anyone
thinking
of speaking out about horrors they have witnessed like Jimmy Massey.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was real either for that matter. We have
already seen BBC Newsnight cover the ivaw veterans on
The March to New Orleans. They speak about similar circumstances,
"you could kill anyone you liked". And this one is definitely not a fake.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1198200663660134068
They do talk about 'shooting up the landscape and anything that moved',
but it's not like Jessie MacBeth killing around 200 people.
--
Pete
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User: "George"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 03:49:14 PM
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote in message
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"The Happy Hippy" <the.happy.hippy.nntp@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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If members of the anti-war faction have been taken in by a hoax which
tells
them what they want to hear, it's nothing unusual and doesn't really do
anything to discredit the anti-war movement as a whole. Being 'suckered'
doesn't make the premise upon which beliefs are built disappear.


I was careful not to comment on this other than to post what some
anti-war sites are reporting. I posted it off the back off Dahr Jamail's
weblog. If it is a fake, as you say, it could be the brainchild of
someone
on either the left or the right. It's a pretty shitty thing to do
agaisnt the
ivaw people if it is a fake. It would also serve to discredit anyone
thinking
of speaking out about horrors they have witnessed like Jimmy Massey.

It wouldn't be the first time shitty things were done with regard to this
war, Pete. I see it nearly every day.
George
.


User: "Greg Preston"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 10:09:53 AM
Americas military record does all the talking for itself , Never in the
field of human conflict, have so many been so inept as the US military.(
Apologies to Mr Churchill)

In 1812 the yanks thought they could gain a second victory over the British
and invaded Canada, But this time the British had just defeated Napoleons
French army, and were in a position to give the Americans their full
attention, In reply to the Americans invading Canada the British drove the
US forces back across the border, captured the cities of Dearborn, Detroit,
Mackinaw, Benedict, and finally routed the yanks at Bladensburg, from here
the Brits then captured the American capital of Washington, Chased the US
president in person on his horse to Virginia, Captured the Whitehouse and
had dinner there before burning it down along with the navy yard and the
library of congress before the Brits withdrew without meeting any American
resistance.

Korea 1950 the American troops of the 2nd infantry division were driven from
their positions by the Naktong river by the Comchis. British troops rushed
forward to rescue them and to fill the breach in the line. Two Brit
battalions found themselves covering a front of 18,000 yards. During
repeated attacks by the Chinese on a feature known as point 282 two
companies of British troops of Argyles were defending a hilltop and clearly
displaying recognition panels. A flight of USAF mustangs attacked the wrong
hilltop and dropped napalm onto the British troops that had so very recently
rescued the Americans, various accounts attribute the deaths of 6 officers
and 80 men to the american attack.
Let us not forget the Mai Li massacre in Vietnam where the brave and noble
American troops massacred an entire village of men, women, children and
babies.

In GW1 the USAF attacked two British Warrior APCs in error killing and
injuring
up to 16 Brit troops.
In Afghanistan US forces attacked and killed a detachment of Canadian
troops in error who were training in a safe area.
In the Mediterranean the US mistook an Airbus full of pilgrims flying an
accepted flight path to Mecca for a Libyan fighter and shot it down.
In Iraq the US bombed a civilian air raid shelter killing over 300 women
and
kids.
In Yugoslavia the US attacked the Chinese embassy in error killing many
diplomats.
In Italy the USAF knocked down a ski lift killing many civilians.
In South America the US intelligence agencies told the Colombian Air force
that a plane passing through their airspace was a drug smuggler, so they
shot it down only to find out it was carrying Christian missionaries.
In Iraq The US is only second to the insurgents in killing innocent
journalists, killing about 20 so far.
In Iraq the US killed the Italian secret service agent and wounded the
newly
freed Italian hostage as she was being transported to the airport.
In Iraq the US shot down a RAF Tornado GR4 plane flying in formation after
attacking Iraqi positions, they were squawking accurate IFF transponders,
flying along the accepted return flight path at the correct altitude and
time when shot down by a US patriot missile.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked a house with a fighter bomber in an effort
to kill one wanted person, but they missed and hit a school sited next door
killing many children.
In Afghanistan the USAF attacked with fighter bombers a wedding party
killing most of the guests.
In Iraq the US attacked a convoy of cars and trucks killing many on board
only to find out they were allied locals responding to a summons by US
forces to attend a meeting.

In Iraq a family of 5 including three children were machined gunned by the
yanks, their crime??, daring to drive along a road in their own country en
route to a family gathering.
In Iraq in an effort to capture or kill 200 insurgents the US laid siege to
the city of Falujah, in the battle that followed the city was almost
entirely destroyed and thousands of civilians killed in the air and
artillery bombardment, The bulk of the insurgents plus their leader escaped
( naturally).
During WW2 following a massive naval bombardment 35, 000 US troops
stormed ashore at Kiska. 21 troops were killed in the fire fight. It
would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.
We try not to embarrass the yanks to much about their total humiliation in
Vietnam, Somalia, and Iran or how they managed to drown an entire SEAL team
when they wanted to invade Grenada. Or how an aged arab farmer armed only
with a vintage WW2 bolt action rifle shot down an apache helicopter.

Xmas 2005 A woman who emigrated to the US has been killed by a stray
bullet shot threw her apartment window.
Selina Akther was shot in the head and died instantly at the window of her
fifth-floor apartment in the Queens borough of New York.
Police arrested a US soldier who they said was on leave and had been
drinking when he fired shots into the air.

The US military has apologised for dropping a bomb on the wrong house in
Iraq, killing between five and 13 people.
A spokesman said it dropped the 500lb laser-guided bomb after mistaking it
for a nearby insurgent hideout.
He said the military "deeply regrets the loss of possibly innocent lives".
The bomb destroyed a villa in the village of Aaytha near the city of Mosul.
Locals said 13 people were killed including four women and three children,
while the US military said its reports were that five Iraqis had died.
It is understood the dead are all from the same family.
In May, a US air strike near Qaim, a town on the border with Syria, killed
around 40 people.
Locals claimed that the strike hit a wedding party, while the Americans said
the house was a gathering point for "terrorists".
The US military bombed suspected insurgent targets in the former rebel
stronghold of Fallujah from June until its November offensive
to reclaim the city from insurgents.
US commanders acknowledged that their air campaign in Fallujah claimed the
lives of some innocent civilians.
Soldier Faces Execution
A US soldier has been sentenced to death for a grenade and gun attack that
killed two of his own colleagues during the Iraq war.
The 15-person military jury took seven hours to decide that Sgt Hasan Akbar
should be executed - jurors could have sentenced him to life in prison.
Akbar, 34, threw grenades into tents housing troops from the 101st Airborne
Division in Kuwait and then fired at soldiers as they ran to escape the
blasts.
US Soldier Pleads Guilty
Updated: 22:12, Monday May 02, 2005
An American soldier accused of abusing Iraqis at the Abu Ghraib prison has
pleaded guilty at a court-martial in Texas.
Private Lynndie England was infamously photographed holding a leash attached
to the neck of a naked Iraqi inmate.
The 22-year-old mother is one of seven junior soldiers who were charged with
mistreating captives at the Baghdad prison in 2003.
She has pleaded guilty to seven of the nine charges and has asked to be
sentenced by a special military panel.
Jail For Abu Ghraib Abuser
Updated: 16:06, Saturday February 05, 2005
A US soldier who admitted stepping on the hands and feet of handcuffed
detainees in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq has been sentenced to six months
in jail.
Sergeant Javal Davis was also given a dishonourable discharge.
Other guards later stripped the seven hooded prisoners and stacked them into
a naked human pyramid.
Soldier Guilty Of Murder
Updated: 08:44, Saturday January 15, 2005
An American soldier has been sentenced to just one year in jail for the
murder of a severly wounded Iraqi teenager.
He shot the severely wounded teenager in a Baghdad slum district last year.
The US military said: "Staff Sergeant Cardenas Alban was convicted on one
count of murder and one count of conspiracy to murder."
The court martial took place at the 1st Cavalry Division courthouse at Camp
Liberty.
Besides his jail term, he has been sentenced to a reduction in rank to
private and a bad-conduct discharge.
'Bodies For Porn' Probe
Updated: 14:11, Wednesday September 28, 2005
The Pentagon is investigating claims American soldiers posted pictures of
dead Iraqis on the internet in return for access to pornography.
A message board appears to show American soldiers laughing and joking beside
Iraqi corpses.
It is alleged the soldiers who posted the pictures were then allowed to view
pornographic pictures.
The owner of the website said he had offered soldiers free access to the
pornography if they could prove they were members of the American military.
Some soldiers had sent in pictures of Iraqi landmarks while others had sent
in pictures of corpses.
Jan 06
US sailor held over Japan death A US sailor in Japan is being held on
suspicion of involvement in a local woman's death, the US Navy has said.
The sailor is being held in US custody near where the incident took place,
in Yokosuka - where the USS Kitty Hawk aircraft carrier is based.
Yoshie Sato died on Tuesday, after being found beaten and unconscious.
Incidents involving US troops and local Japanese are particularly sensitive
because of a 1995 case when three US servicemen raped a schoolgirl.
14 Jan 2006 US aircraft attack a village in friendly allied nation Pakistan,
killing 18 people including many women and children, they claimed they were
seeking the second in command of Al Quaeda, but that is still not good
reason to invade the airspace of an allied nation and bomb one of its
villages, naturally the target the yanks were hunting was not killed in the
attack
US officer guilty of Iraqi death A US officer has been found guilty of the
negligent homicide of an Iraqi general who was being held in custody.
But a jury of six army officers found Chief Warrant Officer Lewis Welshofer
Jr not guilty of the murder of Maj-Gen Abed Hamed Mowhoush in 2003.
The officer now faces up to three years in jail for homicide. He was also
convicted of dereliction of duty.
Prosecutors say Gen Mowhoush was bound, placed headfirst in a sleeping bag
and died with an officer sitting on him.
It was one of a number of deaths of prisoners in Iraq and Afghanistan under
investigation by the US military.
At the beginning of the trial, defence lawyers called a witness who claimed
he had overheard a juror coming under pressure from a senior officer, and
applied for the case to be dismissed because of "unlawful command
influence".
But the judge rejected the request.
Gen Mowhoush died while being held at al-Qaim in Iraq, near the Syrian
border.
A death certificate published by the Pentagon gave the cause as asphyxia due
to smothering and chest compression.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/4636344.stm
Published: 2006/01/22 06:48:57 GMT
© BBC MMVI
Near-miss US jet crews criticised Two US fighter crews and ground control
staff have been criticised in a report after a near-miss with a civilian
aircraft over Bedfordshire.
The Air Accident Investigation Branch said there was "general confusion"
when the F-15E Eagles from RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk passed close to the
aircraft.
They were at 21,000ft and above the level to which they were cleared to fly
on 27 January 2005.
There were 35 passengers on board the British Airways regional flight.
The captain of BA CitiExpress (now BA Connect) aircraft told air traffic
control he had just seen an F15 pass about 100ft below the nose of the
Embraer 145 and "no more than about 200 yards ahead, descending," said the
report.
Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available
AAIB report
The report said the fighters passed within about 1,000 yards of the Embraer.
The AAIB report went on: "Inadequate transmission and acknowledgements of
clearances within the formation plus the crews' inability to fly either as a
coherent formation or as two independent aircraft during the diversion were
major contributory factors to the ensuing general confusion.
"Also poor use was made of the highly sophisticated aids available to the
crews in monitoring fuel loads, monitoring ground position and using
airborne radar."
The report was also critical of air traffic control at Lakenheath in Suffolk
for a communication failure which "contributed to the subsequent radar
identification problems".
The two fighter planes were flying from RAF Lakenheath for a close air
support training sortie at Otterburn Range near Newcastle upon Tyne.
During the training exercise, both aircraft became low on fuel and decided
to divert due to poor weather and air traffic delays at Lakenheath.
'Critically short of fuel'
It was some time after this that the Embraer captain reported to
London-based air traffic controllers that a military fighter aircraft had
passed close in front of him.
Eventually the two fighter planes landed safely at RAF Valley at Holyhead in
Anglesey.
The AAIB report said the decision to divert was left too late.
The report went on: "Because they were critically short of fuel, the (US)
aircraft climbed through their cleared flight level, without transponding,
entered controlled airspace and conflicted with the Embraer 145."
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/england/4694932.stm
Published: 2006/02/09 00:33:49 GMT
© BBC MMVI 12 Feb 2006

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4706902.stm

Two Pakistani nomad women have been killed after a rocket fired across the
border from Afghanistan landed on their tent, Pakistani officials say.
Four children were hurt in the attack late on Saturday in North
Waziristan.

Locals say US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan fired four rockets into
Pakistan's tribal area after coming under fire from unknown attackers.

A US spokesman confirmed coalition forces had returned fire into Pakistan,
but was not aware of casualties.

Post 'attacked'

The incident is the third this year in which civilians have been killed
inside Pakistani territory in apparent missile strikes by US-led forces
who are hunting al-Qaeda and Taleban suspects in the mountainous border
area.

US army to probe NFL star's death The US army is to launch a criminal
investigation into the death of a former American football star who was
killed in Afghanistan.
Pat Tillman gave up his professional contract to join the army after the 11
September 2001 attacks on the US.
It took some time for the US military to admit he had been killed by US
fire, drawing criticism from his family.
The US military has always said his shooting was accidental, but conceded
that a criminal inquiry was warranted.
"We are obligated to answer the family's questions, as we are with all
grieving families," Colonel Joseph Curtin, an Army spokesman said.
He said the scope of the investigation had still to be determined.
'Cover-up'
An unnamed army official quoted by Reuters said the inquiry would seek to
determine whether one of the troops involved in the shooting committed
negligent homicide or another crime.
He said "no one soldier" was the subject of the investigation.
Tillman was 27 when he was hit by gunfire on 22 April, 2004 on a road near
the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. At the time the army said blamed enemy
fire.
The truth did not come out until after his funeral.
His family claims the story was manipulated by the Pentagon to turn Tillman
into a hero of the war on terror.
The footballer had been hailed as a role model when he walked away from his
multi-million dollar Cardinals contract to serve his country.
His father, Pat Tillman Sr, has called the army inquiries so far "shams" and
alleges a cover-up.
The army has admitted that some evidence - including Tillman's uniform and
armour - was destroyed.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4775362.stm
Published: 2006/03/05 02:07:08 GMT
© BBC MMVI
US soldier abused Iraq prisoners A US army dog handler has been found guilty
of abusing detainees in Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison from 2003-2004.
A Maryland court martial convicted Sgt Michael Smith on six out of 13
charges including maltreating detainees, dereliction of duty and assault.
Prosecutors said Smith, 24, used his black Belgian shepherd to menace
prisoners for his own amusement. He will be sentenced later on Tuesday.
He is the 10th US soldier to be convicted over the abuse scandal.
In one case, prosecutors at the court martial in Fort Meade said Smith
competed with another dog handler to see who could make a detainee defecate
out of fear.
One of the photographs to emerge from Abu Ghraib prison depicts Smith
holding his dog inches from the face of a detainee who appears to be
cowering in terror.
The prosecution said he had violated rules on treating prisoners humanely
and using the minimum amount of force.
The defence had argued that rules governing the use of dogs were unclear.
They said Smith was a good soldier who had done what he was supposed to do
by having his dog bark at prisoners in what it described as dangerous
environment.
The military jury announced its verdict after deliberating for about 18
hours over a period of three days.
Smith was found guilty under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with two
counts of maltreatment, one count of conspiring to make a contest of making
detainees soil themselves, dereliction of duty, assault and an indecent act.
Nine other soldiers have been convicted of abusing prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
Charles Graner received the stiffest sentence - 10 years in jail.
Another dog handler, Sgt Santos Cardona, is to stand trial on 22 May.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4830362.stm
Published: 2006/03/21 18:17:05 GMT
© BBC MMVI



US military probes Iraq killings
US military investigators have flown to Iraq to study reports that marines
shot dead at least 15 civilians, including seven women and three children.
The incident is said to have happened in Haditha on 19 November 2005.

The military's initial claim that the civilians died in a roadside blast
was disproved by an earlier investigation.

Investigators will now ask if the civilians died in crossfire or were
targeted in a vengeful killing spree, prompted by the death of a marine.

Iraqis often accuse US troops fighting insurgents of committing war
crimes.


Their bodies were riddled with bullets... there were blood spatters inside
their homes
Bobby Ghosh
Time reporter

Local residents in Haditha say the marines went on the rampage after one
of their number was killed in a roadside blast and another two were
injured.

They say the soldiers began shooting passers-by and the inhabitants of
nearby homes dead.

'Collateral damage'

A military report at the time had said insurgents opened fire from all
directions after the roadside explosion and the marines responded, killing
eight fighters.


In the report, the deaths of 15 civilians were blamed on the initial
blast.

Locals offered a different version of events, and the case was taken up by
US news weekly, Time.

Time reporter Bobby Ghosh told the BBC a videotape, given to the magazine
by an Iraqi human rights group, had shown the civilians "could not have
been killed by a roadside bomb".

"Their bodies were riddled with bullets," he said. "There was evidence
there had been gunfire inside their homes, there were blood spatters
inside their homes."

The magazine says it presented its findings to the US military, which
investigated the incident in January.

The preliminary investigation established that two Iraqi families were
indeed killed by the marines, though it described the deaths as collateral
damage.

Time says there is not enough evidence to show US soldiers deliberately
targeted the civilians.

Now the case has been referred for criminal investigation by the US navy
to establish whether the 12 marines involved were guilty of misconduct.

Human rights organisations have already said that if the 15 civilians were
killed deliberately it would be the worst such case that has come to
light.

There have been many allegations from Iraqi civilians that similar
behaviour by US troops has caused numerous civilian deaths in combat
situations, especially during the offensives at Falluja and elsewhere.

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/4827424.stm

Published: 2006/03/21 08:39:18 GMT

© BBC MMVI


Report finds U.S. shooting of Reuters soundman unlawful

Monday April 10, 02:56 PM
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. soldiers who shot dead a Reuters television
soundman in Iraq last year breached their rules of engagement and the
killing was "unlawful", an independent investigation commissioned by Reuters
has found.
Waleed Khaled died and cameraman Haider Kadhem was wounded on August 28 when
the troops fired on their car in Baghdad as the two Iraqis covered the
aftermath of an attack on policemen.
An investigation by the Army unit involved found that its soldiers had acted
within rules of engagement that allow them to fire if they feel under
threat.
But The Risk Advisory Group (TRAG), a risk management consultancy asked by
Reuters to examine the incident, said the use of force was neither
proportionate nor justified.
It said the Army inquiry conclusions were not supported by the evidence --
including the testimony of the soldiers themselves -- and expressed
incomprehension that crucial footage shot by Kadhem had somehow been lost by
the military.
"We conclude, based on the independent evidence and the evidence of Haider
Kadhem, that no hostile act took place and no act could have been
legitimately mistaken as indicating hostile intent," the TRAG report said.
"The engagement was therefore in breach of U.S. Rules of Engagement and, in
our opinion, on the current evidence was prima facie unlawful."
Reuters Global Managing Editor David Schlesinger called on the U.S. military
to order "a full, independent and objective inquiry into this terrible
incident". A copy of the report has been given to the U.S. Department of
Defence for its review.
SHOTS "FIRED TO KILL OR INJURE"
Soldiers who fired on the car from the roof of a building testified to the
military investigator that they saw a passenger hanging out of one of the
windows holding what appeared to be a rocket-propelled grenade (RPG)
launcher.
They said the passenger quickly moved back inside the car before they could
confirm with binoculars whether he was holding a weapon. The soldiers said
they initially fired warning shots and then fired to disable the vehicle.
TRAG reconstructed the incident and found it was impossible to distinguish
an RPG at the distance from where the soldiers fired.
Kadhem said he was filming through the stationary car's windscreen with his
small, hand-held video camera and at one point turned to lean slightly out
of the side window.
Kadhem said shooting began and Khaled reversed at speed. Seventeen bullets
hit the car, which swerved and crashed into a barrier. Kadhem said shooting
went on after it came to a stop.
"Had they not fired, it is unlikely in our view that the car would have
moved in the first place," TRAG said.
The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists says at least 67
journalists have been killed in Iraq since the U.S. invasion of 2003. U.S.
forces have killed at least 14 of them, the CPJ says.
Four Reuters journalists have been killed, at least three by U.S. forces.
Reuters is awaiting results of a U.S. military inquiry into the death 18
months ago of the fourth.
ARMY "LOST" CRUCIAL EVIDENCE
Kadhem's video footage was seized by the U.S. military when he was detained
and held for three days. The Army showed the footage to Reuters staff but
then said it had been separated from the case file and subsequently lost.
"The 'lost' video contains the very best evidence of what transpired,"
Civilians injured 'by US forces' Six people, including a mother and her
newborn baby, have been injured in two incidents in eastern Afghanistan,
reportedly by American forces.
Both the incidents took place in Khost province. A six-year-old boy was also
injured in one of the incidents.
The reports come as President Hamid Karzai has ordered a probe into the
killing of seven civilians by coalition forces over the weekend.
The US military has also launched an investigation into the deaths.
'Shot at'
The mother was travelling home from a clinic with her newborn baby after
midnight in the Yaqubi district of Khost in the east of Afghanistan when
they were fired upon by US forces, a family member told the BBC.
The mother, the baby and two other women in the car were injured. One of the
women had gunshot wounds in her mouth, doctors said.
Wakil Ahmed, a family member, told the BBC: "We were on our way back home
from the clinic. The American patrol was driving and as they stopped, we
stopped. They started driving, we did the same.
"As we got close to our house they stopped, and we started driving towards
our house. They opened fire on us. Minutes later a translator came to us and
asked who we were."
Then in Khost city a few hours later, another car was shot at by a US
patrol - a young man and a six-year-old boy were wounded.
The provincial police chief said he was investigating both reports.
On Monday President Karzai's spokesman said he was "very unhappy" about the
deaths of seven civilians over the weekend and warned all those involved in
military operations to take more care not to injure civilians.
The civilians were reportedly killed in "friendly fire" incidents during
fighting against militants.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/south_asia/4918022.stm
Published: 2006/04/18 10:25:00 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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User: "dangdangdoodle2"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 25 May 2006 04:24:14 AM
In article <44731b42$0$79689$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>,
" Knowsley Pete" <jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php

Testimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All

This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of
Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war
veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed reguarly
while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a U.S. soldier
who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.

Excerpts:

"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people out
and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of the
house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his
youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our interrogation.
He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe trying to support his
family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer, we'd start killing off
his family until he told us something. If he didn't know anything, I guess
he was SOL."

and

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."

Watch the video here.
http://www.peacefilms.org/

or here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth

People can believe what they want, and there's obviously many who will
find this story "unbelievable."
However, there is no real proof that things in Iraq happened otherwise.
What a despictable shame Bush has brought to the US.
--
the dang
.

User: "Greg Hennessy"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 11:34:15 AM
On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:24:45 +0100, " Knowsley Pete"
<jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote:

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."

It's rather hard to betray 'battle buddies' when the individual in question
was never there in the 1st place.
Mr MacBeth is a liar and a fraud.
--
Every Villian Is Lemons
.
User: "Chris X"

Title: Re: The interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever 23 May 2006 11:51:18 AM
"Greg Hennessy" <me@privacy.org> wrote in message
news:bhd672pdobjqmim7ts17psv37gqtp5i5je@4ax.com...

On Tue, 23 May 2006 15:24:45 +0100, " Knowsley Pete"
<jboxOMITTHECAPS@tesco.net> wrote:

"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that
died."


It's rather hard to betray 'battle buddies' when the individual in
question
was never there in the 1st place.

You know this because .... ?

Mr MacBeth is a liar and a fraud.

So is Fraudelard but all you do is back him up, greggy :)
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