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The Latest Hollywood Treason |
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made,
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of
lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine-gun fire, shoot
the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison
-- where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich
people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed
"peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American
doctor.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/
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04 Feb 2006 03:24:22 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Ah, but the Bush Kultists just have to distract from the malfeasance of
George WMD Bush. Throw enough mud, maybe some of it will stick.
Chuck you, "Farley."
Time to attack the next straw man.
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04 Feb 2006 04:15:18 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both of
his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister named
Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting bug early
on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater Arts in
Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American School in
Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker High School
in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah and Jennifer
Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to venture out to
California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks, he won his very
first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985), playing the part of
Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise that role for the sequel.
Then after a small role in the film Critters (1986), he landed starring
roles in several television movies. In 1989, Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989).
It was on the set of this movie that he met his future wife, Lisa Collins.
They were married from 1988-1995. In 1996, Billy starred in The Phantom
(1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in the billion dollar grossing Titanic
(1997). Then in 1999, he starred in the television movie Cleopatra (1999)
(TV) where he met his soon-to-be fiance, actress Leonor Varela from whom he
subsequently split.
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04 Feb 2006 04:20:08 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both of
his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister named
Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting bug
early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater Arts
in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American School in
Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker High School
in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah and Jennifer
Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to venture out to
California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks, he won his very
first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985), playing the part of
Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise that role for the
sequel. Then after a small role in the film Critters (1986), he landed
starring roles in several television movies. In 1989, Billy filmed Dead
Calm (1989). It was on the set of this movie that he met his future wife,
Lisa Collins. They were married from 1988-1995. In 1996, Billy starred in
The Phantom (1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in the billion dollar
grossing Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in the television movie
Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be fiance, actress Leonor
Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
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04 Feb 2006 04:41:44 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both of
his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister named
Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting bug
early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater Arts
in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American School in
Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker High
School in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah and
Jennifer Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to
venture out to California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks,
he won his very first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985),
playing the part of Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise
that role for the sequel. Then after a small role in the film Critters
(1986), he landed starring roles in several television movies. In 1989,
Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989). It was on the set of this movie that he
met his future wife, Lisa Collins. They were married from 1988-1995. In
1996, Billy starred in The Phantom (1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in
the billion dollar grossing Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in
the television movie Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be
fiance, actress Leonor Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
The Hollywood stars of the so-called Turkish movie
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Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both
of his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister
named Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting
bug early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater
Arts in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American
School in Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker
High School in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah
and Jennifer Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to
venture out to California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks,
he won his very first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985),
playing the part of Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise
that role for the sequel. Then after a small role in the film Critters
(1986), he landed starring roles in several television movies. In 1989,
Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989). It was on the set of this movie that he
met his future wife, Lisa Collins. They were married from 1988-1995. In
1996, Billy starred in The Phantom (1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in
the billion dollar grossing Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in
the television movie Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be
fiance, actress Leonor Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
The Hollywood stars of the so-called Turkish movie
Oh, yeah...
No bigger stars in Hollywood than.... who?
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Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both
of his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister
named Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the
acting bug early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the
Theater Arts in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the
American School in Switzerland. His high school days were spent at
Francis Parker High School in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates
were Daryl Hannah and Jennifer Beals. Soon after graduating high
school, Billy decided to venture out to California to try his hand at
acting. Within three weeks, he won his very first big screen role in
Back to the Future (1985), playing the part of Match, one of Biff's
thugs. He would later reprise that role for the sequel. Then after a
small role in the film Critters (1986), he landed starring roles in
several television movies. In 1989, Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989). It
was on the set of this movie that he met his future wife, Lisa Collins.
They were married from 1988-1995. In 1996, Billy starred in The Phantom
(1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in the billion dollar grossing
Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in the television movie
Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be fiance, actress
Leonor Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
The Hollywood stars of the so-called Turkish movie
Oh, yeah...
No bigger stars in Hollywood than.... who?
Gary Busey
Actor - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s) (1980s) (1970s)
Glubina (2007) (pre-production) .... Guilermo
.... aka Depth (International: English title)
Crying 4 U (2006) (pre-production) .... Frosty
Souled Out (2005) (filming) .... Gabriel (The Angel)
Kurtlar vadisi - Irak (2006) .... Doctor
.... aka Valley of the Wolves: Iraq (International: English title)
Descansos (2006) .... The Keeper
The Gingerdead Man (2005) .... Millard
"Esenin" (2005) (mini) TV Series .... Zinger, Isedora Dunkan's ex-husbund
Buckaroo (2005) .... Dr. Brawn
"Into the West" (2005) (mini) TV Series .... Johnny Fox
The Baker's Dozen (2005) (V) .... Millard
Shut Up and Shoot! (2005) .... Mr. Katz
Chasing Ghosts (2005) .... Marcos Alfiri
Soft Target (2005) .... Rouse
The Hand Job (2005) .... Blind Master
The Hard Easy (2005) .... Vinnie
No Rules (2005) .... Leroy Little
Border Blues (2004) .... Michael March/Police Chief
Latin Dragon (2004) .... Thorn
Ghost Rock (2004) .... Jack Pickett
.... aka The Reckoning (USA)
Padrino, El (2004) .... Lars
Lexie (2004) (V) .... Mesdeg
Fallacy (2004)
A Sight for Sore Eyes (2004) .... Earl Cooper
Motocross Kids (2004) .... Viper
Shade of Pale (2004) .... Billings
Shadowlands (2003) .... Supreme Regent Onticree
Scorched (2003/II) .... Zeek
Quigley (2003) .... Archie Channinng
"Russkie v Gorode Angelov" (2003) TV Series .... March
.... aka ??????? ? ?????? ??????? (Russia)
.... aka A Force of One (USA)
.... aka Russians in the City of Angels (literal English title)
The Prize Fighter (2003) (V) .... Whitey Ferguson
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (2002) (VG) (voice) .... Phil Cassidy
.... aka Vice City (USA: short title)
Sam & Janet (2002) .... Bartender
Slap Shot 2: Breaking the Ice (2002) (V) .... Richmond Claremont
Welcome 2 Ibiza (2002) .... Cortez
On the Edge (2002) .... Felix
"King of the Hill"
- Soldier of Misfortune (2001) TV Episode (voice) .... Mad Dog
"Law & Order"
- Formerly Famous (2001) TV Episode .... Tommy Vega
Frost: Portrait of a Vampire (2001) .... Micah
G-Men from Hell (2000) .... Lt. Langdon
"The Huntress"
- What Ralph Left Behind (2000) TV Episode .... Tommy Van Slyke
"The Outer Limits"
.... aka The New Outer Limits (USA: promotional title)
- Revival (2000) TV Episode .... Ezra Burnham
Two Shades of Blue (2000) .... Jack Reynolds
Tribulation (2000) .... Tom Canboro
Down 'n Dirty (2000) .... D. A. Mickey Casey
A Crack in the Floor (2000) .... Tyler Trout
Glory Glory (2000) .... Sheriff
.... aka Hooded Angels (UK: MIFED title)
"Shasta McNasty"
.... aka Shasta (USA: second season title)
- The Thanksgiving Show (1999) TV Episode .... Jack
Jacob Two Two Meets the Hooded Fang (1999) .... The Hooded Fang
Detour (1999) .... Mo Ginsburg
.... aka Too Hard to Die (UK)
No Tomorrow (1999) .... Noah
"Walker, Texas Ranger"
- Special Witness (1999) TV Episode .... Donovan Riggs
The Girl Next Door (1999/I) (TV) .... Sheriff Larson
.... aka Fatale innocence (Canada: French title)
Hot Boyz (1999) .... Tully
.... aka Gang Law (UK)
Soldier (1998) .... Church
Universal Soldier II: Brothers in Arms (1998) (TV) .... Otto Mazur
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (1998) .... Highway Patrolman
Rough Draft (1998) .... Nelson Keece
.... aka Diary of a Serial Killer (video title)
Livers Ain't Cheap (1997) .... Foreman
.... aka The Real Thing
Rough Riders (1997) (TV) .... Gen. Joseph 'Fighting Joe' Wheeler
Plato's Run (1997) .... Plato Smith
The Rage (1997/I) .... Art Dacy
Lethal Tender (1997) .... Mr. Turner
.... aka Deadly Currents
Lost Highway (1997) .... William Dayton
Suspicious Minds (1997) .... Vic Mulvey
The Chain (1996/I) .... Frank Morrisey
Carried Away (1996) .... Major Nathan Wheeler
.... aka Acts of Love (UK)
Black Sheep (1996) .... Drake Sabitch
One Clean Move (1996) .... Connie
Steel Sharks (1996) .... Cmdr. Bill McKay
Sticks and Stones (1996) .... Book's Dad
Man with a Gun (1995/I) .... Jack Rushton
.... aka Gun for Hire (Australia)
.... aka Hired for Killing
"Fallen Angels"
- Since I Don't Have You (1995) TV Episode .... Buzz' Meeks
Drop Zone (1994) .... Ty Moncrief
Chasers (1994) .... Sergeant Vince Banger
Surviving the Game (1994) .... Doc Hawkins
Warriors (1994) .... Frank Vail
Rookie of the Year (1993) .... Chet Steadman
The Firm (1993) .... Eddie Lomax
Breaking Point (1993) .... Dwight Meadows
.... aka Double Suspicion
Under Siege (1992) .... Cmdr. Krill
.... aka Piège en haute mer (France)
Chrome Soldiers (1992) (TV) .... Jim
Canvas (1992) .... Ozzy Decker
.... aka Canvas: The Fine Art of Crime
South Beach (1992) .... Lenny
.... aka Night Caller (UK: video title)
Wild Texas Wind (1991) (TV) .... Justice Hayden Parker
Point Break (1991) .... FBI Agent Angelo Pappas
My Heroes Have Always Been Cowboys (1991) .... Clint Hornby
Predator 2 (1990) .... Peter Keyes
Hider in the House (1989) .... Tom Sykes
The Neon Empire (1989) (TV) .... Frank Weston
"A Dangerous Life" (1988) (mini) TV Series .... Tony O'Neil
Bulletproof (1988) .... Captain Frank McBain
Act of Piracy (1988) .... Ted Andrews
Lethal Weapon (1987) .... Mr. Joshua
Eye of the Tiger (1986) .... Buck Matthews
Let's Get Harry (1986) .... Jack
.... aka The Rescue
Half a Lifetime (1986) (TV) .... Bart
"The Hitchhiker"
.... aka Voyageur, Le (France)
- W.G.O.D. (1985) TV Episode .... Rev. Nolan Powers
Silver Bullet (1985) .... Uncle Red
.... aka Stephen King's Silver Bullet (USA: complete title)
Insignificance (1985) .... The Ballplayer
The Bear (1984) .... Paul W. Bryant
D.C. Cab (1983) .... Dell
.... aka Street Fleet
Didn't You Hear... (1983) .... James
Barbarosa (1982) .... Karl Westover
Foolin' Around (1980) .... Wes
Carny (1980) .... Frankie
"Saturday Night Live"
.... aka NBC's Saturday Night (USA: original title)
.... aka SNL
.... aka SNL 25 (USA: new title)
.... aka Saturday Night Live '80 (USA: new title)
- Episode #4.14 (1979) TV Episode .... Host
Big Wednesday (1978) .... Leroy
.... aka Summer of Innocence
The Buddy Holly Story (1978) .... Buddy Holly
Straight Time (1978) .... Willy Darin
The Set-Up (1978)
A Star Is Born (1976) .... Bobbie Ritchie
The Gumball Rally (1976) .... Gibson - Camaro Team
"Baretta"
- On the Road (1975) TV Episode .... Puckett
You and Me (1975)
.... aka Around (USA)
"Gunsmoke"
.... aka Gun Law (UK)
.... aka Marshal Dillon (USA: rerun title)
- The Busters (1975) TV Episode .... Harve Daley
The Law (1974) (TV) .... William Bright
"The Texas Wheelers" (1974) TV Series .... Truckie Wheeler
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) (as Garey Busey) .... Curly
The Execution of Private Slovik (1974) (TV) .... Jimmy Feedek
Blood Sport (1973) (TV) .... David Lee Birdsong
Hex (1973) .... Giblets
.... aka The Shrieking (USA: video title)
The Last American Hero (1973) .... Wayne Jackson
.... aka Hard Driver (USA: reissue title)
"Kung Fu"
- The Ancient Warrior (1973) TV Episode .... Josh
Lolly-Madonna XXX (1973) .... Zeb
.... aka The Lolly-Madonna War (UK)
Dirty Little Billy (1972) .... Basil Crabtree
"Bonanza"
.... aka Ponderosa (USA: rerun title)
- The Hidden Enemy (1972) TV Episode .... Henry Johnson
The Magnificent Seven Ride! (1972) .... Hank Allan
Angels Hard as They Come (1971) .... Henry
.... aka Angel Warriors (Europe: English title) (UK)
.... aka Angels
.... aka Angels as Hard as They Come (UK)
.... aka Angels, Hell on Harleys
"The High Chaparral"
- The Badge (1970) TV Episode .... Rafe
William George Zane Jr.,
Actor - filmography
(In Production) (2000s) (1990s) (1980s)
Beyond Legend: Johnny Kakota (2006) (pre-production) (attached) ....
Tomahawk
Kurtlar vadisi - Irak (2006) .... Sam
.... aka Valley of the Wolves: Iraq (International: English title)
Mem-o-re (2005) .... Taylor Briggs
BloodRayne (2005) .... Elrich
"Charmed"
- The Seven Year Witch (2005) TV Episode .... Drake
- Show Ghouls (2005) TV Episode .... Drake
- Carpe Demon (2005) TV Episode .... Drake
The Last Drop (2005) .... Oates
The Pleasure Drivers (2005) .... Marvin
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories (2004) (VG) (voice) .... Ansem
Lest We Forget: The Video Collection (2004) (V) .... Agent In Limo
Bet Your Life (2004) (TV) .... Joseph
Silver City (2004) .... Chandler Tyson
Dead Fish (2004) .... Virgil
Three (2004) .... Jack
Big Kiss (2004) .... Billy
The Kiss (2003) (V) .... Alan Roberts/young Philip Naudet
Vlad (2003) .... Adrian
Silent Warnings (2003) (V) .... Sheriff Bill Willingham
.... aka Warnings (Europe: English title)
Imaginary Grace (2003) .... Nero
Starving Hysterical Naked (2003)
Claim (2002) .... Roberto Bealing
Landspeed (2002) .... Michael Sanger
Kingdom Hearts (2002) (VG) (voice) .... Ansem
.... aka Kingudamu hâtsu (Japan)
"Boston Public"
- Chapter Twenty-Nine (2001) TV Episode .... Matthew Baskin
- Chapter Twenty-Six (2001) TV Episode .... Matthew Baskin
- Chapter Twenty-Four (2001) TV Episode .... Matthew Baskin
- Chapter Twenty-Three (2001) TV Episode .... Matthew Baskin
Invincible (2001/I) (TV) .... Os
SSX Tricky (2001) (VG) (voice) .... Broderick 'Brodi' Ford
The Diamond of Jeru (2001) (TV) .... Mike Kardec
.... aka Louis L'Amour's The Diamond of Jeru (USA: complete title)
CQ (2001) .... Mr. E
.... aka CQ (France)
The Believer (2001) .... Curtis Zampf
Hendrix (2000) (TV) .... Michael Jeffrey
"Sole Survivor" (2000) (mini) TV Series .... Joe Carpenter
.... aka Dean Koontz's Sole Survivor (USA: complete title)
Taxman (1999/II) .... George Putter
.... aka Promise Her Anything (USA)
.... aka Taxman (USA)
Cleopatra (1999) (TV) .... Marc Antony
God Is in the T.V. (1999) (V) .... Yuppie in limo (segment "The Dope Show")
.... aka Marilyn Manson: God Is in the T.V.
Morgan's Ferry (1999) .... Sam
Susan's Plan (1998) .... Sam Myers
.... aka Dying to Get Rich (USA: video title)
I Woke Up Early the Day I Died (1998) .... The Thief
.... aka Ed Wood's I Woke Up Early the Day I Died
.... aka I Awoke Early the Day I Died (USA)
Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World (1998) (V) (voice) .... John Rolfe
.... aka Disney's Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World (USA: complete title)
.... aka Pocahontas: Journey to a New World (USA: closing credits title)
"Batman: Gotham Knights"
.... aka The New Adventures of Batman (USA: informal alternative title)
- The Demon Within (1998) TV Episode (voice) .... Jason Blood/Etrigan
the Demon
"The New Batman Superman Adventures"
- The Demon Within (1998) TV Episode (voice) .... Etrigan the
Demon/Jason Blood
Titanic (1997) .... Caledon 'Cal' Hockley
This World, Then the Fireworks (1997) .... Marty Lakewood
Danger Zone (1997) .... Rick Morgan
Head Above Water (1996) .... Kent
The Phantom (1996) .... The Phantom/Kit Walker
Demon Knight (1995) .... The Collector
.... aka Demon Keeper
.... aka Tales from the Crypt Presents: Demon Knight (USA: complete title)
The Set Up (1995) .... Charles Thorpe
Only You (1994) .... Harry, The False Damon Bradley
.... aka Him
.... aka Just in Time
Running Delilah (1994) (TV) .... Paul
.... aka Robospy (Australia)
Silenzio dei prosciutti, Il (1994) .... Jo Dee Foster
.... aka The Silence of the Hams (USA)
Reflections on a Crime (1994) .... Colin
.... aka Reflections in the Dark
Tombstone (1993) .... Mr. Fabian
"Tales from the Crypt"
.... aka HBO's Tales from the Crypt
- Well Cooked Hams (1993) TV Episode
Poetic Justice (1993) .... Brad
Posse (1993) .... Colonel Graham
Lake Consequence (1993) (TV) .... Billy
Sniper (1993) .... Richard Miller
Betrayal of the Dove (1993) .... Dr. Jesse Peter
Flashfire (1993) .... Jack Flinder
.... aka August Fires (USA: TV title)
Orlando (1992) .... Shelmerdine
Blood and Concrete (1991) .... Joey Turks
.... aka Blood and Concrete, a Love Story
Femme Fatale (1991) .... Elijah
.... aka Fatal Woman
"Twin Peaks"
- The Path to the Black Lodge (1991) TV Episode .... John Justice
Wheeler
- Variations and Relations (1991) TV Episode .... John Justice Wheeler
- On the Wings of Love (1991) TV Episode .... John Justice Wheeler
- Wounds and Scars (1991) TV Episode .... John Justice Wheeler
- The Condemned Woman (1991) TV Episode .... John Justice Wheeler
Miliardi (1991) .... Maurizio Ferretti
.... aka Billions
.... aka Miliardi\Millions (USA)
.... aka Millions
Memphis Belle (1990) .... Lt. Val Kozlowski
Megaville (1990) .... Palinov/Jensen
Back to the Future Part II (1989) .... Match
Dead Calm (1989) .... Hughie Warriner
.... aka Dead Calm: A Voyage Into Fear (USA: poster title)
The Case of the Hillside Stranglers (1989) (TV) .... Kenneth Bianchi
.... aka The Hillside Stranglers
Going Overboard (1989) .... King Neptune
.... aka Babes Ahoy
Police Story: Monster Manor (1988) (TV) .... Officer Don Varney
"Murder, She Wrote"
- A Very Good Year for Murder (1988) TV Episode .... Tony Gambini
"Crime Story"
- Protected Witness (1988) TV Episode .... Frankie 'The Duke' Farantino
Conspiracy: The Trial of the Chicago 8 (1987) (TV) .... Police Officer
"Matlock"
- The Nurse (1987) TV Episode .... Eric Dawson
Critters (1986) .... Steve Elliot
Brotherhood of Justice (1986) (TV) .... Les
Back to the Future (1985) .... Match
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:08:22 -0800, "monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net>
wrote:
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both
of his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister
named Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting
bug early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater
Arts in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American
School in Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker
High School in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah
and Jennifer Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to
venture out to California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks,
he won his very first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985),
playing the part of Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise
that role for the sequel. Then after a small role in the film Critters
(1986), he landed starring roles in several television movies. In 1989,
Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989). It was on the set of this movie that he
met his future wife, Lisa Collins. They were married from 1988-1995. In
1996, Billy starred in The Phantom (1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in
the billion dollar grossing Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in
the television movie Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be
fiance, actress Leonor Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
The Hollywood stars of the so-called Turkish movie
Oh, yeah...
No bigger stars in Hollywood than.... who?
Come on, monkeyhawk. If these people can make Hanoi Jane Fonda a great
actress they can make Busey a huge super-star as well.
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Well, Billy Zane was only a lead in the biggest fucking movie EVER!!
This whole issue only goes to show the mentality of the mindless twits
out in Hollywood. It's the whole: "I'm on your side, I understand."
monkeyhawk wrote:
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Gary Busey
Generally blond haired, fair complexioned Hollywood actor with a toothy
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
William George Zane Jr.,
better known as Billy Zane, was born on February 24, 1966, in Chicago,
Illinois, USA to parents William George Zane Sr. and Thalia Zane. Both
of his parents ran a medical technical school. Billy also has a sister
named Lisa Zane, an actress born in 1961. Billy was bitten by the acting
bug early on. In his early teens, he attended Harand Camp of the Theater
Arts in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin. In 1982, he attended the American
School in Switzerland. His high school days were spent at Francis Parker
High School in Chicago, IL. A couple of his classmates were Daryl Hannah
and Jennifer Beals. Soon after graduating high school, Billy decided to
venture out to California to try his hand at acting. Within three weeks,
he won his very first big screen role in Back to the Future (1985),
playing the part of Match, one of Biff's thugs. He would later reprise
that role for the sequel. Then after a small role in the film Critters
(1986), he landed starring roles in several television movies. In 1989,
Billy filmed Dead Calm (1989). It was on the set of this movie that he
met his future wife, Lisa Collins. They were married from 1988-1995. In
1996, Billy starred in The Phantom (1996) and in 1997 as Cal Hockley in
the billion dollar grossing Titanic (1997). Then in 1999, he starred in
the television movie Cleopatra (1999) (TV) where he met his soon-to-be
fiance, actress Leonor Varela from whom he subsequently split.
Who?
The Hollywood stars of the so-called Turkish movie
Oh, yeah...
No bigger stars in Hollywood than.... who?
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04 Feb 2006 05:09:13 PM |
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Billy, "monkeyhawk" obviously can't read, so save your time.
He/she/it doesn't mind Hollywood traitors.
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04 Feb 2006 05:23:17 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Billy, "monkeyhawk" obviously can't read, so save your time.
He/she/it doesn't mind Hollywood traitors.
Istanbul...the new "Hollywood."
Uh-huh.
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04 Feb 2006 06:02:36 PM |
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Try again, perhaps mouthing the words out loud until
you understand them:
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made,
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of
lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine-gun fire, shoot
the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison
-- where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich
people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed
"peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American
doctor.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Billy Zane:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000708/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Gary Busey:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
If you fail to follow along after people have spelled things
out for you several times, then you're either a traitor like
Zane and Busey, or you're an imbecile like Forest Gump.
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04 Feb 2006 06:34:18 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Try again, perhaps mouthing the words out loud until
you understand them:
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie...
[snip]
Yeah, there's no bigger power in Hollywood these days than Gary Busey and...
....who?
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05 Feb 2006 11:05:32 AM |
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monkeyhawk oozed:
Yeah, there's no bigger power in Hollywood these days
than Gary Busey and... ...who?
Billy Zane starred in a small movie called TITANIC, but
you wouldn't know such things Forest.
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05 Feb 2006 01:24:24 PM |
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Yeah, there's no bigger power in Hollywood these days
than Gary Busey and... ...who?
Billy Zane starred in a small movie called TITANIC, but
you wouldn't know such things Forest.
DiCaprio and Winslet *starred* in "Titanic." Zane was in the cast.
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05 Feb 2006 09:28:23 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 16:02:36 -0800, "Charles Farley"
<CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote:
Try again, perhaps mouthing the words out loud until
you understand them:
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made,
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of
lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine-gun fire, shoot
the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison
-- where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich
people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed
"peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American
doctor.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Billy Zane:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000708/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Gary Busey:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
If you fail to follow along after people have spelled things
out for you several times, then you're either a traitor like
Zane and Busey, or you're an imbecile like Forest Gump.
We again see the nature of Farley's lies for Republican propaganda.
I'm really reminded of the Nazis before him who used an identical
method. Repeat the wild claim. Claim those who disagreed with it were
either traitors (for denying it when they knew it was true) or
incredibly stupid (for not knowing it was true.)
To wit: "The Jews stabbed Germany in the back during World War One."
Then "if you deny the Jews stabbed Germany in the back after all the
facts have been laid out for you then you're either a traitor or an
imbecile."
Thus far, given Farley's wild lies, score one for monkeyhawk.
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05 Feb 2006 11:06:12 AM |
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Filmography for Hollywood actor Billy Zane:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000708/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Gary Busey:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
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05 Feb 2006 09:28:23 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2006 15:09:13 -0800, "Charles Farley"
<CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote:
Billy, "monkeyhawk" obviously can't read, so save your time.
He/she/it doesn't mind Hollywood traitors.
This is an example of what I meant about Farley having his lies and
his advertising jingles.
When you start with a lie you can't go along and argue your case like
an honest commentator. So Farley has to back one lie with another, and
an incredibly stupid lie at that.
Then, at least there's some light in the darkness, the other
Republican propagandists have to either ignore the lie while
pretending it is true or dismiss concern for the lie as not important
enough to worry about.
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| User: "Charles Farley" |
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05 Feb 2006 11:06:31 AM |
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Filmography for Hollywood actor Billy Zane:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000708/
Filmography for Hollywood actor Gary Busey:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000997/
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05 Feb 2006 09:10:09 AM |
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"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Ah, but the Bush Kultists just have to distract from the malfeasance of
George WMD Bush. Throw enough mud, maybe some of it will stick.
Chuck you, "Farley."
Time to attack the next straw man.
It was posted by Charlie (The Crusades were defensive wars) Farley so it's
guaranteed intelligence free.
Mens sana.
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05 Feb 2006 11:09:22 AM |
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Mens sana wrote:
It was posted by Charlie (The Crusades were defensive
wars) Farley so it's guaranteed intelligence free.
LOL, the Crusades were defensive wars, Forest.
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11 Feb 2006 10:00:02 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2006 09:09:22 -0800, "Charles Farley"
<CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote:
Mens sana wrote:
It was posted by Charlie (The Crusades were defensive
wars) Farley so it's guaranteed intelligence free.
LOL, the Crusades were defensive wars, Forest.
Laughing instead of proving one's assertions is either the mark of the
huckster or somebody inclined to mania.
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On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:10:09 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>
wrote:
"monkeyhawk" <monkeyhawk@cox.net> wrote in message
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Ah, but the Bush Kultists just have to distract from the malfeasance of
George WMD Bush. Throw enough mud, maybe some of it will stick.
Chuck you, "Farley."
Time to attack the next straw man.
It was posted by Charlie (The Crusades were defensive wars) Farley so it's
guaranteed intelligence free.
Actually, Farley posted some academic's claim that the Crusades were
defensive wars. The same academic claims the Inquisition was a
wonderful humanist progressive organization against the evil minions
of Christian feudalism (the same forces so "defensive" against Islam!)
Of course Farley can't defend his claims. He can only repost and rant.
Mens sana.
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The Real History of the Crusades
By Thomas F. Madden
With the possible exception of Umberto Eco, medieval scholars are not
used to getting much media attention. We tend to be a quiet lot (except
during the annual bacchanalia we call the International Congress on
Medieval Studies in Kalamazoo, Michigan, of all places), poring over
musty chronicles and writing dull yet meticulous studies that few will
read. Imagine, then, my surprise when within days of the September 11
attacks, the Middle Ages suddenly became relevant.
As a Crusade historian, I found the tranquil solitude of the ivory
tower shattered by journalists, editors, and talk-show hosts on tight
deadlines eager to get the real scoop. What were the Crusades?, they
asked. When were they? Just how insensitive was President George W.
Bush for using the word "crusade" in his remarks? With a few of my
callers I had the distinct impression that they already knew the
answers to their questions, or at least thought they did. What they
really wanted was an expert to say it all back to them. For example, I
was frequently asked to comment on the fact that the Islamic world has
a just grievance against the West. Doesn't the present violence, they
persisted, have its roots in the Crusades' brutal and unprovoked
attacks against a sophisticated and tolerant Muslim world? In other
words, aren't the Crusades really to blame?
Osama bin Laden certainly thinks so. In his various video performances,
he never fails to describe the American war against terrorism as a new
Crusade against Islam. Ex-president Bill Clinton has also fingered the
Crusades as the root cause of the present conflict. In a speech at
Georgetown University, he recounted (and embellished) a massacre of
Jews after the Crusader conquest of Jerusalem in 1099 and informed his
audience that the episode was still bitterly remembered in the Middle
East. (Why Islamist terrorists should be upset about the killing of
Jews was not explained.) Clinton took a beating on the nation's
editorial pages for wanting so much to blame the United States that he
was willing to reach back to the Middle Ages. Yet no one disputed the
ex-president's fundamental premise.
Well, almost no one. Many historians had been trying to set the record
straight on the Crusades long before Clinton discovered them. They are
not revisionists, like the American historians who manufactured the
Enola Gay exhibit, but mainstream scholars offering the fruit of
several decades of very careful, very serious scholarship. For them,
this is a "teaching moment," an opportunity to explain the Crusades
while people are actually listening. It won't last long, so here goes.
Misconceptions about the Crusades are all too common. The Crusades are
generally portrayed as a series of holy wars against Islam led by
power-mad popes and fought by religious fanatics. They are supposed to
have been the epitome of self-righteousness and intolerance, a black
stain on the history of the Catholic Church in particular and Western
civilization in general. A breed of proto-imperialists, the Crusaders
introduced Western aggression to the peaceful Middle East and then
deformed the enlightened Muslim culture, leaving it in ruins. For
variations on this theme, one need not look far. See, for example,
Steven Runciman's famous three-volume epic, History of the Crusades, or
the BBC/A&E documentary, The Crusades, hosted by Terry Jones. Both are
terrible history yet wonderfully entertaining.
So what is the truth about the Crusades? Scholars are still working
some of that out. But much can already be said with certainty. For
starters, the Crusades to the East were in every way defensive wars.
They were a direct response to Muslim aggression-an attempt to turn
back or defend against Muslim conquests of Christian lands.
Christians in the eleventh century were not paranoid fanatics. Muslims
really were gunning for them. While Muslims can be peaceful, Islam was
born in war and grew the same way. From the time of Mohammed, the means
of Muslim expansion was always the sword. Muslim thought divides the
world into two spheres, the Abode of Islam and the Abode of War.
Christianity-and for that matter any other non-Muslim religion-has
no abode. Christians and Jews can be tolerated within a Muslim state
under Muslim rule. But, in traditional Islam, Christian and Jewish
states must be destroyed and their lands conquered. When Mohammed was
waging war against Mecca in the seventh century, Christianity was the
dominant religion of power and wealth. As the faith of the Roman
Empire, it spanned the entire Mediterranean, including the Middle East,
where it was born. The Christian world, therefore, was a prime target
for the earliest caliphs, and it would remain so for Muslim leaders for
the next thousand years.
With enormous energy, the warriors of Islam struck out against the
Christians shortly after Mohammed's death. They were extremely
successful. Palestine, Syria, and Egypt-once the most heavily
Christian areas in the world-quickly succumbed. By the eighth
century, Muslim armies had conquered all of Christian North Africa and
Spain. In the eleventh century, the Seljuk Turks conquered Asia Minor
(modern Turkey), which had been Christian since the time of St. Paul.
The old Roman Empire, known to modern historians as the Byzantine
Empire, was reduced to little more than Greece. In desperation, the
emperor in Constantinople sent word to the Christians of western Europe
asking them to aid their brothers and sisters in the East.
That is what gave birth to the Crusades. They were not the brainchild
of an ambitious pope or rapacious knights but a response to more than
four centuries of conquests in which Muslims had already captured
two-thirds of the old Christian world. At some point, Christianity as a
faith and a culture had to defend itself or be subsumed by Islam. The
Crusades were that defense.
Pope Urban II called upon the knights of Christendom to push back the
conquests of Islam at the Council of Clermont in 1095. The response was
tremendous. Many thousands of warriors took the vow of the cross and
prepared for war. Why did they do it? The answer to that question has
been badly misunderstood. In the wake of the Enlightenment, it was
usually asserted that Crusaders were merely lacklands and
ne'er-do-wells who took advantage of an opportunity to rob and pillage
in a faraway land. The Crusaders' expressed sentiments of piety,
self-sacrifice, and love for God were obviously not to be taken
seriously. They were only a front for darker designs.
During the past two decades, computer-assisted charter studies have
demolished that contrivance. Scholars have discovered that crusading
knights were generally wealthy men with plenty of their own land in
Europe. Nevertheless, they willingly gave up everything to undertake
the holy mission. Crusading was not cheap. Even wealthy lords could
easily impoverish themselves and their families by joining a Crusade.
They did so not because they expected material wealth (which many of
them had already) but because they hoped to store up treasure where
rust and moth could not corrupt. They were keenly aware of their
sinfulness and eager to undertake the hardships of the Crusade as a
penitential act of charity and love. Europe is littered with thousands
of medieval charters attesting to these sentiments, charters in which
these men still speak to us today if we will listen. Of course, they
were not opposed to capturing booty if it could be had. But the truth
is that the Crusades were notoriously bad for plunder. A few people got
rich, but the vast majority returned with nothing.
* * *
Urban II gave the Crusaders two goals, both of which would remain
central to the eastern Crusades for centuries. The first was to rescue
the Christians of the East. As his successor, Pope Innocent III, later
wrote:
How does a man love according to divine precept his neighbor as himself
when, knowing that his Christian brothers in faith and in name are held
by the perfidious Muslims in strict confinement and weighed down by the
yoke of heaviest servitude, he does not devote himself to the task of
freeing them? ...Is it by chance that you do not know that many
thousands of Christians are bound in slavery and imprisoned by the
Muslims, tortured with innumerable torments?
"Crusading," Professor Jonathan Riley-Smith has rightly argued, was
understood as an "an act of love"-in this case, the love of one's
neighbor. The Crusade was seen as an errand of mercy to right a
terrible wrong. As Pope Innocent III wrote to the Knights Templar, "You
carry out in deeds the words of the Gospel, 'Greater love than this
hath no man, that he lay down his life for his friends.'"
The second goal was the liberation of Jerusalem and the other places
made holy by the life of Christ. The word crusade is modern. Medieval
Crusaders saw themselves as pilgrims, performing acts of righteousness
on their way to the Holy Sepulcher. The Crusade indulgence they
received was canonically related to the pilgrimage indulgence. This
goal was frequently described in feudal terms. When calling the Fifth
Crusade in 1215, Innocent III wrote:
Consider most dear sons, consider carefully that if any temporal king
was thrown out of his domain and perhaps captured, would he not, when
he was restored to his pristine liberty and the time had come for
dispensing justice look on his vassals as unfaithful and
traitors...unless they had committed not only their property but also
their persons to the task of freeing him? ...And similarly will not
Jesus Christ, the king of kings and lord of lords, whose servant you
cannot deny being, who joined your soul to your body, who redeemed you
with the Precious Blood...condemn you for the vice of ingratitude and
the crime of infidelity if you neglect to help Him?
The reconquest of Jerusalem, therefore, was not colonialism but an act
of restoration and an open declaration of one's love of God. Medieval
men knew, of course, that God had the power to restore Jerusalem
Himself-indeed, He had the power to restore the whole world to His
rule. Yet as St. Bernard of Clairvaux preached, His refusal to do so
was a blessing to His people:
Again I say, consider the Almighty's goodness and pay heed to His plans
of mercy. He puts Himself under obligation to you, or rather feigns to
do so, that He can help you to satisfy your obligations toward
Himself.... I call blessed the generation that can seize an opportunity
of such rich indulgence as this.
It is often assumed that the central goal of the Crusades was forced
conversion of the Muslim world. Nothing could be further from the
truth. From the perspective of medieval Christians, Muslims were the
enemies of Christ and His Church. It was the Crusaders' task to defeat
and defend against them. That was all. Muslims who lived in
Crusader-won territories were generally allowed to retain their
property and livelihood, and always their religion. Indeed, throughout
the history of the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem, Muslim inhabitants
far outnumbered the Catholics. It was not until the 13th century that
the Franciscans began conversion efforts among Muslims. But these were
mostly unsuccessful and finally abandoned. In any case, such efforts
were by peaceful persuasion, not the threat of violence.
The Crusades were wars, so it would be a mistake to characterize them
as nothing but piety and good intentions. Like all warfare, the
violence was brutal (although not as brutal as modern wars). There were
mishaps, blunders, and crimes. These are usually well-remembered today.
During the early days of the First Crusade in 1095, a ragtag band of
Crusaders led by Count Emicho of Leiningen made its way down the Rhine,
robbing and murdering all the Jews they could find. Without success,
the local bishops attempted to stop the carnage. In the eyes of these
warriors, the Jews, like the Muslims, were the enemies of Christ.
Plundering and killing them, then, was no vice. Indeed, they believed
it was a righteous deed, since the Jews' money could be used to fund
the Crusade to Jerusalem. But they were wrong, and the Church strongly
condemned the anti-Jewish attacks.
Fifty years later, when the Second Crusade was gearing up, St. Bernard
frequently preached that the Jews were not to be persecuted:
Ask anyone who knows the Sacred Scriptures what he finds foretold of
the Jews in the Psalm. "Not for their destruction do I pray," it says.
The Jews are for us the living words of Scripture, for they remind us
always of what our Lord suffered.... Under Christian princes they
endure a hard captivity, but "they only wait for the time of their
deliverance."
Nevertheless, a fellow Cistercian monk named Radulf stirred up people
against the Rhineland Jews, despite numerous letters from Bernard
demanding that he stop. At last Bernard was forced to travel to Germany
himself, where he caught up with Radulf, sent him back to his convent,
and ended the massacres.
It is often said that the roots of the Holocaust can be seen in these
medieval pogroms. That may be. But if so, those roots are far deeper
and more widespread than the Crusades. Jews perished during the
Crusades, but the purpose of the Crusades was not to kill Jews. Quite
the contrary: Popes, bishops, and preachers made it clear that the Jews
of Europe were to be left unmolested. In a modern war, we call tragic
deaths like these "collateral damage." Even with smart technologies,
the United States has killed far more innocents in our wars than the
Crusaders ever could. But no one would seriously argue that the purpose
of American wars is to kill women and children.
By any reckoning, the First Crusade was a long shot. There was no
leader, no chain of command, no supply lines, no detailed strategy. It
was simply thousands of warriors marching deep into enemy territory,
committed to a common cause. Many of them died, either in battle or
through disease or starvation. It was a rough campaign, one that seemed
always on the brink of disaster. Yet it was miraculously successful. By
1098, the Crusaders had restored Nicaea and Antioch to Christian rule.
In July 1099, they conquered Jerusalem and began to build a Christian
state in Palestine. The joy in Europe was unbridled. It seemed that the
tide of history, which had lifted the Muslims to such heights, was now
turning.
* * *
But it was not. When we think about the Middle Ages, it is easy to view
Europe in light of what it became rather than what it was. The colossus
of the medieval world was Islam, not Christendom. The Crusades are
interesting largely because they were an attempt to counter that trend.
But in five centuries of crusading, it was only the First Crusade that
significantly rolled back the military progress of Islam. It was
downhill from there.
When the Crusader County of Edessa fell to the Turks and Kurds in 1144,
there was an enormous groundswell of support for a new Crusade in
Europe. It was led by two kings, Louis VII of France and Conrad III of
Germany, and preached by St. Bernard himself. It failed miserably. Most
of the Crusaders were killed along the way. Those who made it to
Jerusalem only made things worse by attacking Muslim Damascus, which
formerly had been a strong ally of the Christians. In the wake of such
a disaster, Christians across Europe were forced to accept not only the
continued growth of Muslim power but the certainty that God was
punishing the West for its sins. Lay piety movements sprouted up
throughout Europe, all rooted in the desire to purify Christian society
so that it might be worthy of victory in the East.
Crusading in the late twelfth century, therefore, became a total war
effort. Every person, no matter how weak or poor, was called to help.
Warriors were asked to sacrifice their wealth and, if need be, their
lives for the defense of the Christian East. On the home front, all
Christians were called to support the Crusades through prayer, fasting,
and alms. Yet still the Muslims grew in strength. Saladin, the great
unifier, had forged the Muslim Near East into a single entity, all the
while preaching jihad against the Christians. In 1187 at the Battle of
Hattin, his forces wiped out the combined armies of the Christian
Kingdom of Jerusalem and captured the precious relic of the True Cross.
Defenseless, the Christian cities began surrendering one by one,
culminating in the surrender of Jerusalem on October 2. Only a tiny
handful of ports held out.
The response was the Third Crusade. It was led by Emperor Frederick I
Barbarossa of the German Empire, King Philip II Augustus of France, and
King Richard I Lionheart of England. By any measure it was a grand
affair, although not quite as grand as the Christians had hoped. The
aged Frederick drowned while crossing a river on horseback, so his army
returned home before reaching the Holy Land. Philip and Richard came by
boat, but their incessant bickering only added to an already divisive
situation on the ground in Palestine. After recapturing Acre, the king
of France went home, where he busied himself carving up Richard's
French holdings. The Crusade, therefore, fell into Richard's lap. A
skilled warrior, gifted leader, and superb tactician, Richard led the
Christian forces to victory after victory, eventually reconquering the
entire coast. But Jerusalem was not on the coast, and after two
abortive attempts to secure supply lines to the Holy City, Richard at
last gave up. Promising to return one day, he struck a truce with
Saladin that ensured peace in the region and free access to Jerusalem
for unarmed pilgrims. But it was a bitter pill to swallow. The desire
to restore Jerusalem to Christian rule and regain the True Cross
remained intense throughout Europe.
The Crusades of the 13th century were larger, better funded, and better
organized. But they too failed. The Fourth Crusade (1201-1204) ran
aground when it was seduced into a web of Byzantine politics, which the
Westerners never fully understood. They had made a detour to
Constantinople to support an imperial claimant who promised great
rewards and support for the Holy Land. Yet once he was on the throne of
the Caesars, their benefactor found that he could not pay what he had
promised. Thus betrayed by their Greek friends, in 1204 the Crusaders
attacked, captured, and brutally sacked Constantinople, the greatest
Christian city in the world. Pope Innocent III, who had previously
excommunicated the entire Crusade, strongly denounced the Crusaders.
But there was little else he could do. The tragic events of 1204 closed
an iron door between Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox, a door that
even today Pope John Paul II has been unable to reopen. It is a
terrible irony that the Crusades, which were a direct result of the
Catholic desire to rescue the Orthodox people, drove the two
further-and perhaps irrevocably-apart.
The remainder of the 13th century's Crusades did little better. The
Fifth Crusade (1217-1221) managed briefly to capture Damietta in Egypt,
but the Muslims eventually defeated the army and reoccupied the city.
St. Louis IX of France led two Crusades in his life. The first also
captured Damietta, but Louis was quickly outwitted by the Egyptians and
forced to abandon the city. Although Louis was in the Holy Land for
several years, spending freely on defensive works, he never achieved
his fondest wish: to free Jerusalem. He was a much older man in 1270
when he led another Crusade to Tunis, where he died of a disease that
ravaged the camp. After St. Louis's death, the ruthless Muslim leaders,
Baybars and Kalavun, waged a brutal jihad against the Christians in
Palestine. By 1291, the Muslim forces had succeeded in killing or
ejecting the last of the Crusaders, thus erasing the Crusader kingdom
from the map. Despite numerous attempts and many more plans, Christian
forces were never again able to gain a foothold in the region until the
19th century.
* * *
One might think that three centuries of Christian defeats would have
soured Europeans on the idea of Crusade. Not at all. In one sense, they
had little alternative. Muslim kingdoms were becoming more, not less,
powerful in the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries. The Ottoman Turks
conquered not only their fellow Muslims, thus further unifying Islam,
but also continued to press westward, capturing Constantinople and
plunging deep into Europe itself. By the 15th century, the Crusades
were no longer errands of mercy for a distant people but desperate
attempts of one of the last remnants of Christendom to survive.
Europeans began to ponder the real possibility that Islam would finally
achieve its aim of conquering the entire Christian world. One of the
great best-sellers of the time, Sebastian Brant's The Ship of Fools,
gave voice to this sentiment in a chapter titled "Of the Decline of the
Faith":
Our faith was strong in th' Orient,
It ruled in all of Asia,
In Moorish lands and Africa.
But now for us these lands are gone
'Twould even grieve the hardest stone....
Four sisters of our Church you find,
They're of the patriarchic kind:
Constantinople, Alexandria,
Jerusalem, Antiochia.
But they've been forfeited and sacked
And soon the head will be attacked.
Of course, that is not what happened. But it very nearly did. In 1480,
Sultan Mehmed II captured Otranto as a beachhead for his invasion of
Italy. Rome was evacuated. Yet the sultan died shortly thereafter, and
his plan died with him. In 1529, Suleiman the Magnificent laid siege to
Vienna. If not for a run of freak rainstorms that delayed his progress
and forced him to leave behind much of his artillery, it is virtually
certain that the Turks would have taken the city. Germany, then, would
have been at their mercy.
Yet, even while these close shaves were taking place, something else
was brewing in Europe-something unprecedented in human history. The
Renaissance, born from a strange mixture of Roman values, medieval
piety, and a unique respect for commerce and entrepreneurialism, had
led to other movements like humanism, the Scientific Revolution, and
the Age of Exploration. Even while fighting for its life, Europe was
preparing to expand on a global scale. The Protestant Reformation,
which rejected the papacy and the doctrine of indulgence, made Crusades
unthinkable for many Europeans, thus leaving the fighting to the
Catholics. In 1571, a Holy League, which was itself a Crusade, defeated
the Ottoman fleet at Lepanto. Yet military victories like that remained
rare. The Muslim threat was neutralized economically. As Europe grew in
wealth and power, the once awesome and sophisticated Turks began to
seem backward and pathetic-no longer worth a Crusade. The "Sick Man
of Europe" limped along until the 20th century, when he finally
expired, leaving behind the present mess of the modern Middle East.
From the safe distance of many centuries, it is easy enough to scowl in
disgust at the Crusades. Religion, after all, is nothing to fight wars
over. But we should be mindful that our medieval ancestors would have
been equally disgusted by our infinitely more destructive wars fought
in the name of political ideologies. And yet, both the medieval and the
modern soldier fight ultimately for their own world and all that makes
it up. Both are willing to suffer enormous sacrifice, provided that it
is in the service of something they hold dear, something greater than
themselves. Whether we admire the Crusaders or not, it is a fact that
the world we know today would not exist without their efforts. The
ancient faith of Christianity, with its respect for women and antipathy
toward slavery, not only survived but flourished. Without the Crusades,
it might well have followed Zoroastrianism, another of Islam's rivals,
into extinction.
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Thomas F. Madden is the author of numerous works, including A Concise
History of the Crusades, and co-author, with Donald Queller, of The
Fourth Crusade: The Conquest of Constantinople.
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The Real History of the Crusades
By Thomas F. Madden
With the possible exception of Umberto Eco
Actually Eco is more into semiotics than the "Middle Ages," none of
which is relevant to Farley's central rant about "Treason."
But reposting off-topic material as a cover for intellectual
bankruptcy is rather typical of today's Republicans.
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"Charles Farley" <CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie...
Note the date line.
Note the headline.
Note the lead.
"Istanbul" and "Hollywood" are the same, now?
It's a fucking *TURKISH* movie, for chrissake!
Ah, but the Bush Kultists just have to distract from the malfeasance of
George WMD Bush. Throw enough mud, maybe some of it will stick.
Chuck you, "Farley."
Time to attack the next straw man.
Farley has a long history of rewriting headlines and misrepresenting
stories to fit his rightwing hate agenda.
Check the threads with his titles like:
"Bin Laden, Democrats Call for Allied Surrender"
"Islamofascist Iran Working on Nuclear Missile"
"Clinton Secretary of State: 'Terrorists are OK'"
"Poll: Democrats Aid the Enemy for Political Gain"
With Republicans the rot starts at the top and filters down.
With Republicans the lie as a fundamental part of political reality
starts with Bush and ultimately runs down to people like Farley on the
bottom.
People with real facts can argue them. People who don't use lies and
advertising jingles.
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Does the truth hurt?
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Does the truth hurt?
Only Bush supporters.
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Does the truth hurt?
Only Bush supporters.
Thre ya go, using lies again/
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Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Hollywood is in Instanbul?
I never knew that.............................!
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On 4 Feb 2006 12:57:44 -0800, "Charles Farley"
<CircularErrorZero@yahoo.com> wrote:
Associated Press
February 3, 2006
Turkish movie depicts Americans as savages
Billy Zane, Gary Busey star in Turkey's most-expensive film ever
ISTANBUL, Turkey -- In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made,
American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of
lead in front of his mother.
They kill dozens of innocent people with random machine-gun fire, shoot
the groom in the head, and drag those left alive to Abu Ghraib prison
-- where a Jewish doctor cuts out their organs, which he sells to rich
people in New York, London and Tel Aviv.
The movie's American stars are Billy Zane, who plays a self-professed
"peacekeeper sent by God," and Gary Busey as the Jewish-American
doctor.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/02/02/turkish.movie.ap/
We, as people who live in four dimensions (three of space, and
one of time), often find it difficult to understand the concept of one
dimension. We can understand (somewhat) the concept of two dimensions,
like a sheet of paper, but not really get our minds around the concept
of "one dimensional", and of course, there is no such thing as "one
dimensional", since a "dimension" is two areas, or surfaces, or
whatever... the word "di", obviously, means two.
Therefore it is difficult for me to understand how someone
who's posts I often respected has become so one dimensional that he
never raises a critical voice against anything the Bush administration
people do, no matter how obviously wrong it is.
Take the recent case of the row with Google. Do you really
believe that the Bush admin was only interested in fighting child
exploitation online? Don't you think that if that's what they're
interested in, they might instead give the FBI funds so that it could
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