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"Captain Compassion" |
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29 Oct 2005 03:59:18 PM |
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The Libby indictment |
The Libby indictment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
Now it's official. Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury, making a false
statement, and obstruction of justice. Evidently, this is for not
testifying that he had heard from Cheney that Valerie Plame was a CIA
employee. This is a serious charge. I have long said that I would be
astonished if someone as smart and savvy as Libby had testified
untruthfully. So I am astonished now. There was nothing legally
dubious about Cheney disclosing this to Libby. Both had the highest
possible intelligence clearances. So it is puzzling that Libby
apparently didn't testify truthfully or fully about this.
Note what Libby was not charged with: violating the Intelligence
Identities Protection Act of 1982. To violate that act, the agent
whose identity has been disclosed must have been serving abroad within
five years of the disclosure. According to a book by Plame's husband,
Joseph Wilson, Plame had not served abroad since 1997, more than five
years before the 2003 disclosure. So the act was not violated by
anyone. This was an investigation of people who were telling the truth
about a person, Joseph Wilson, who was telling lies. For background,
see my Creators Syndicate column of last week. The Libby indictment
raises in my mind the question of whether it is just to indict someone
for false statements in the course of the investigation of what was
never a crime.
Politically, this is obviously a blow to the Bush administration.
Libby was an important White House aide who played a key role on
foreign policy.
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"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| Title: Re: The Libby indictment |
29 Oct 2005 05:07:51 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
news:jeo7m1hovmavfutndtat7oapgdl71a2jqr@4ax.com...
The Libby indictment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
Now it's official. Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury, making a false
statement, and obstruction of justice. Evidently, this is for not
testifying that he had heard from Cheney that Valerie Plame was a CIA
employee. This is a serious charge. I have long said that I would be
astonished if someone as smart and savvy as Libby had testified
untruthfully. So I am astonished now. There was nothing legally
dubious about Cheney disclosing this to Libby. Both had the highest
possible intelligence clearances. So it is puzzling that Libby
apparently didn't testify truthfully or fully about this.
Note what Libby was not charged with: violating the Intelligence
Identities Protection Act of 1982. To violate that act, the agent
whose identity has been disclosed must have been serving abroad within
five years of the disclosure. According to a book by Plame's husband,
Joseph Wilson, Plame had not served abroad since 1997, more than five
years before the 2003 disclosure. So the act was not violated by
anyone. This was an investigation of people who were telling the truth
about a person, Joseph Wilson, who was telling lies. For background,
see my Creators Syndicate column of last week. The Libby indictment
raises in my mind the question of whether it is just to indict someone
for false statements in the course of the investigation of what was
never a crime.
Politically, this is obviously a blow to the Bush administration.
Libby was an important White House aide who played a key role on
foreign policy.
The Libby indictment is a product of Libby thinking he could lie and get
away with it, while obstructing the flow of justice concerning the outing of
a CIA agent. He was a high level Chief of staff to the vice president of
this country and sat on the security council for ths country, and I for one
am glad to see this liar exposed. This country does not need liars and
people who place their agenda above the well being of this country in that
kind of position. I hope vigorous prosecution and microscopic oversight of
this whitehouse continues to expose these cockroaches who have personal
agendas they place above the security of the USA. Now, you can scream
Clinton at any pint.
--
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"America is a vast conspiracy to make you happy." -- John Updike
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Wanderer" |
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| Title: Re: The Libby indictment |
29 Oct 2005 05:26:50 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
The Libby indictment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
Now it's official. Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury, making a false
statement, and obstruction of justice. Evidently, this is for not
testifying that he had heard from Cheney that Valerie Plame was a CIA
employee. This is a serious charge. I have long said that I would be
astonished if someone as smart and savvy as Libby had testified
untruthfully. So I am astonished now. There was nothing legally
dubious about Cheney disclosing this to Libby. Both had the highest
possible intelligence clearances. So it is puzzling that Libby
apparently didn't testify truthfully or fully about this.
Note what Libby was not charged with: violating the Intelligence
Identities Protection Act of 1982. To violate that act, the agent
whose identity has been disclosed must have been serving abroad within
five years of the disclosure.
Fitzgerald said clearly that he was charged with investigating who
blew Plame's cover. He said that when it came to Libby, he couldn't
get to the truth so he charged him with obstruction, perjury etc.
Libby is done unless the Pres pardons him. Get over it.
According to a book by Plame's husband,
Joseph Wilson, Plame had not served abroad since 1997, more than five
years before the 2003 disclosure. So the act was not violated by
anyone.
So Plame, who's cover was not blown at the time was never, ever
going to be used as undercover again? That what you're saying?
This was an investigation of people who were telling the truth
about a person, Joseph Wilson, who was telling lies.
So that makes it okay to blow Plame, everyone she worked with
while undercover on NOC and Brewster Jennings and everyone
connected with them? You appear to be working for the
Syrians, Chinese or Russians. Which is it??
For background,
see my Creators Syndicate column of last week. The Libby indictment
raises in my mind the question of whether it is just to indict someone
for false statements in the course of the investigation of what was
never a crime.
Politically, this is obviously a blow to the Bush administration.
Libby was an important White House aide who played a key role on
foreign policy.
--
Z-REX
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| User: "old hoodoo" |
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| Title: Re: The Libby indictment |
29 Oct 2005 05:51:29 PM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
The Libby indictment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
Now it's official. Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury, making a false
statement, and obstruction of justice. Evidently, this is for not
testifying that he had heard from Cheney that Valerie Plame was a CIA
employee. This is a serious charge. I have long said that I would be
astonished if someone as smart and savvy as Libby had testified
untruthfully. So I am astonished now. There was nothing legally
dubious about Cheney disclosing this to Libby. Both had the highest
possible intelligence clearances. So it is puzzling that Libby
apparently didn't testify truthfully or fully about this.
Note what Libby was not charged with: violating the Intelligence
Identities Protection Act of 1982. To violate that act, the agent
whose identity has been disclosed must have been serving abroad within
five years of the disclosure. According to a book by Plame's husband,
Joseph Wilson, Plame had not served abroad since 1997, more than five
years before the 2003 disclosure. So the act was not violated by
anyone. This was an investigation of people who were telling the truth
about a person, Joseph Wilson, who was telling lies. For background,
see my Creators Syndicate column of last week. The Libby indictment
raises in my mind the question of whether it is just to indict someone
for false statements in the course of the investigation of what was
never a crime.
Politically, this is obviously a blow to the Bush administration.
Libby was an important White House aide who played a key role on
foreign policy.
"Perhaps some good will come of it...a little revolution is needed from
time to time." (paraphased, not an exact quote from The Hunt from Red
October which was probably someone elses quote to start with.)
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| User: "plonk" |
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| Title: Re: The Libby indictment |
29 Oct 2005 04:29:07 PM |
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:59:18 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
The Libby indictment
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
Now it's official. Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis
"Scooter" Libby, has been indicted for perjury, making a false
statement, and obstruction of justice. Evidently, this is for not
testifying that he had heard from Cheney that Valerie Plame was a CIA
employee. This is a serious charge. I have long said that I would be
astonished if someone as smart and savvy as Libby had testified
untruthfully. So I am astonished now. There was nothing legally
dubious about Cheney disclosing this to Libby. Both had the highest
possible intelligence clearances. So it is puzzling that Libby
apparently didn't testify truthfully or fully about this.
Note what Libby was not charged with: violating the Intelligence
Identities Protection Act of 1982. To violate that act, the agent
whose identity has been disclosed must have been serving abroad within
five years of the disclosure. According to a book by Plame's husband,
Joseph Wilson, Plame had not served abroad since 1997, more than five
years before the 2003 disclosure. So the act was not violated by
anyone. This was an investigation of people who were telling the truth
about a person, Joseph Wilson, who was telling lies.
I believe the lies are overwhelmingly the product of Bush's Treason
Team who passed off phony documents and hearsay from Mideastern
polititical opportunists as a cause for a "necessary war of self
defence".
The tasks requiring lying and treason still belong primarily to the
GOP.
For background,
see my Creators Syndicate column of last week. The Libby indictment
raises in my mind the question of whether it is just to indict someone
for false statements in the course of the investigation of what was
never a crime.
It's a crime if you can prove intent to do so. We set a high standard
for proof in this country and I don't think that anybody with half an
objective brain doesn't realize that the Plame case doesn't revolve
around a political retaliation for Wilson's bringing a fraudulent
document to light that was presented to both the American public
and the U.N. as a valid reason to invade Iraq.
Now what were you saying about lies?
Politically, this is obviously a blow to the Bush administration.
Libby was an important White House aide who played a key role on
foreign policy.
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