On Wed, 16 May 2007 11:50:48 -0700, lorad474 wrote:

On May 14, 4:47 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The subject of this thread is "mother nature" as a divinity in America.

Just this morning, I watched THREE separate news casts that referred to
what "mother nature" is doing out there. By doing so, they are
admitting to the real power at work in their lives, Satan. Satan is
called "prince of the power of the air" in Scripture, and storms were
sent by the devil against both Jesus' own boat and that of the Apostle
Paul in Acts. The devil, after being cast out of heaven, seeks the
worship of man, which we see in the temptations on Christ in which
Satan tried to get Jesus to bow down to him. It should not surprise us
that he would use weather as a means to get worship. These newscasts
prove the devil is getting the worship he desires by willing human
servants.

You are too fanatical.

Cain't be too fanatical in the name of Jeeezus, son.

Mother nature is not a person or a divinity in america. It's just a
ephamism for 'the environment'.

Nah... it's a euphemism for Gaia, the earth goddess:http://www.pantheon.org/articles/g/gaia.html

"Gaia loves me, this I know
forwww.pantheon.orgtells me so..."
Charlie

On May 14, 5:41 pm, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 14, 4:47 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The subject of this thread is "mother nature" as a divinity in
America. It's not the only sin or even the worst sin that America is
currently guilty of doing. Without accepting Christ, most are dead in
sin, anyway, but many of those that have accepted Christ, already, are
guilty of Babylonian worship of many gods in addition to Jehovah.

The worship of "mother nature" goes back historically to animism and
African and native American religious beliefs. It was believed one
must please "nature" in order to get good weather. However, it is
pantheism that Jehovah banned to do so.

Just this morning, I watched THREE separate news casts that referred
to what "mother nature" is doing out there. By doing so, they are
admitting to the real power at work in their lives, Satan. Satan is
called "prince of the power of the air" in Scripture, and storms were
sent by the devil against both Jesus' own boat and that of the Apostle
Paul in Acts. The devil, after being cast out of heaven, seeks the
worship of man, which we see in the temptations on Christ in which
Satan tried to get Jesus to bow down to him. It should not surprise
us that he would use weather as a means to get worship. These
newscasts prove the devil is getting the worship he desires by
willing human servants.

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

It should be astonishing that a grown man with a good vocabulary, such
as Ken, would be so willing to expose the fact that he doesn't
understand what a figure of speech is.

But it isn't. The fact is that many (not all) American right-wing
fundamentalists are such fierce, unretenent literalists causes them to
assume that everyone else is a literalist too. So - just for example -
when a friend's car stalls out on the way to an important job
interview, and the firend says, "My car hates me!", the lietarlist
assumes that the friend really thinks that the car is a PERSON that
HATES her. At which point the literalist is likely to say: "Friend,
your car is not a person. But SATAN is a person, and Satan hates you.
Therefore Satan probably made your car stall."

Well, maybe they don't say it about cars. But they say it about lots
of other things, and it's just as silly. So when a news commentator
(probably a Christian, as most are, although probably also not nearly
literalist enough for Ken) says, "Mother Nature is really giving
Boston-to-New York traffic a really hard time today," a lieralist
might say something like: "You believe in Mother Nature? You WORSHIP
the pagan goddess Mother Nature? No wonder the world is in such bad
shape, and the media are so liberal! In matter of fact, it's SATAN
that's causing the bad weather. And no wonder, given that
Massachusetts and New York are both blue states!"

"Um, no," says the commentator, "I was using a figure of speech." But
this simply does not penetrate.

As for:

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

Ken, YOU do not deny the Kingdom of God, and you reject the devil.
And presumably you know many people who share your faith. Does God
protect all of THEM from storms, illness, or death? Do the people in
your church have a lower bankruptcy rate than people in a nearby
synagogue or Buddhist temple? When hurricanes struck New Orleans, was
it your impression - from reading the news - that the more pious parts
of the city were spared, while the more decadent were destroyed?

Indeed, there were many miracle stories of protection from Christians
in that region that were trusting Him, but I'm sure you just ignored
them...since they didn't fit your philosophy.

Similarly, you probably
dismissed the fact that a Bible preacher had declared a prophecy
forcasting EXACTLY this event, months in advance, for the sin of the
region...that God would allow the devil to do it. No change....no
problem...whammo.

On May 14, 5:41 pm, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 14, 4:47 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The subject of this thread is "mother nature" as a divinity in
America. It's not the only sin or even the worst sin that America is
currently guilty of doing. Without accepting Christ, most are dead in
sin, anyway, but many of those that have accepted Christ, already, are
guilty of Babylonian worship of many gods in addition to Jehovah.

The worship of "mother nature" goes back historically to animism and
African and native American religious beliefs. It was believed one
must please "nature" in order to get good weather. However, it is
pantheism that Jehovah banned to do so.

Just this morning, I watched THREE separate news casts that referred
to what "mother nature" is doing out there. By doing so, they are
admitting to the real power at work in their lives, Satan. Satan is
called "prince of the power of the air" in Scripture, and storms were
sent by the devil against both Jesus' own boat and that of the Apostle
Paul in Acts. The devil, after being cast out of heaven, seeks the
worship of man, which we see in the temptations on Christ in which
Satan tried to get Jesus to bow down to him. It should not surprise
us that he would use weather as a means to get worship. These
newscasts prove the devil is getting the worship he desires by
willing human servants.

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

It should be astonishing that a grown man with a good vocabulary, such
as Ken, would be so willing to expose the fact that he doesn't
understand what a figure of speech is.

But it isn't. The fact is that many (not all) American right-wing
fundamentalists are such fierce, unretenent literalists causes them to
assume that everyone else is a literalist too. So - just for example -
when a friend's car stalls out on the way to an important job
interview, and the firend says, "My car hates me!", the lietarlist
assumes that the friend really thinks that the car is a PERSON that
HATES her. At which point the literalist is likely to say: "Friend,
your car is not a person. But SATAN is a person, and Satan hates you.
Therefore Satan probably made your car stall."

Well, maybe they don't say it about cars. But they say it about lots
of other things, and it's just as silly. So when a news commentator
(probably a Christian, as most are, although probably also not nearly
literalist enough for Ken) says, "Mother Nature is really giving
Boston-to-New York traffic a really hard time today," a lieralist
might say something like: "You believe in Mother Nature? You WORSHIP
the pagan goddess Mother Nature? No wonder the world is in such bad
shape, and the media are so liberal! In matter of fact, it's SATAN
that's causing the bad weather. And no wonder, given that
Massachusetts and New York are both blue states!"

"Um, no," says the commentator, "I was using a figure of speech." But
this simply does not penetrate.

As for:

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

Ken, YOU do not deny the Kingdom of God, and you reject the devil.
And presumably you know many people who share your faith. Does God
protect all of THEM from storms, illness, or death? Do the people in
your church have a lower bankruptcy rate than people in a nearby
synagogue or Buddhist temple? When hurricanes struck New Orleans, was
it your impression - from reading the news - that the more pious parts
of the city were spared, while the more decadent were destroyed?

Indeed, there were many miracle stories of protection from Christians
in that region that were trusting Him, but I'm sure you just ignored
them...since they didn't fit your philosophy.

Similarly, you probably
dismissed the fact that a Bible preacher had declared a prophecy
forcasting EXACTLY this event, months in advance, for the sin of the
region...that God would allow the devil to do it. No change....no
problem...whammo.

Ken Clifton
christiansuperhero.com- Hide quoted text -

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On May 14, 5:41 pm, Anlatt the Builder <tirh...@aol.com> wrote:

On May 14, 4:47 am, Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The subject of this thread is "mother nature" as a divinity in
America. It's not the only sin or even the worst sin that America is
currently guilty of doing. Without accepting Christ, most are dead in
sin, anyway, but many of those that have accepted Christ, already, are
guilty of Babylonian worship of many gods in addition to Jehovah.

The worship of "mother nature" goes back historically to animism and
African and native American religious beliefs. It was believed one
must please "nature" in order to get good weather. However, it is
pantheism that Jehovah banned to do so.

Just this morning, I watched THREE separate news casts that referred
to what "mother nature" is doing out there. By doing so, they are
admitting to the real power at work in their lives, Satan. Satan is
called "prince of the power of the air" in Scripture, and storms were
sent by the devil against both Jesus' own boat and that of the Apostle
Paul in Acts. The devil, after being cast out of heaven, seeks the
worship of man, which we see in the temptations on Christ in which
Satan tried to get Jesus to bow down to him. It should not surprise
us that he would use weather as a means to get worship. These
newscasts prove the devil is getting the worship he desires by
willing human servants.

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

It should be astonishing that a grown man with a good vocabulary, such
as Ken, would be so willing to expose the fact that he doesn't
understand what a figure of speech is.

But it isn't. The fact is that many (not all) American right-wing
fundamentalists are such fierce, unretenent literalists causes them to
assume that everyone else is a literalist too. So - just for example -
when a friend's car stalls out on the way to an important job
interview, and the firend says, "My car hates me!", the lietarlist
assumes that the friend really thinks that the car is a PERSON that
HATES her. At which point the literalist is likely to say: "Friend,
your car is not a person. But SATAN is a person, and Satan hates you.
Therefore Satan probably made your car stall."

Well, maybe they don't say it about cars. But they say it about lots
of other things, and it's just as silly. So when a news commentator
(probably a Christian, as most are, although probably also not nearly
literalist enough for Ken) says, "Mother Nature is really giving
Boston-to-New York traffic a really hard time today," a lieralist
might say something like: "You believe in Mother Nature? You WORSHIP
the pagan goddess Mother Nature? No wonder the world is in such bad
shape, and the media are so liberal! In matter of fact, it's SATAN
that's causing the bad weather. And no wonder, given that
Massachusetts and New York are both blue states!"

"Um, no," says the commentator, "I was using a figure of speech." But
this simply does not penetrate.

As for:

A world that denies the KINGDOM of God should not expect the KING of
that Kingdom to use his resources to protect them from their own king,
the devil, whether that be from demonic storms or illness or debt.

Ken, YOU do not deny the Kingdom of God, and you reject the devil.
And presumably you know many people who share your faith. Does God
protect all of THEM from storms, illness, or death? Do the people in
your church have a lower bankruptcy rate than people in a nearby
synagogue or Buddhist temple? When hurricanes struck New Orleans, was
it your impression - from reading the news - that the more pious parts
of the city were spared, while the more decadent were destroyed?

Indeed, there were many miracle stories of protection from Christians
in that region that were trusting Him,

but I'm sure you just ignored
them...since they didn't fit your philosophy. Similarly, you probably
dismissed the fact that a Bible preacher had declared a prophecy
forcasting EXACTLY this event, months in advance, for the sin of the
region...that God would allow the devil to do it. No change....no
problem...whammo.