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"Demoqaeda" |
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15 Sep 2006 03:18:25 PM |
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The Muslim Crusades |
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
November 2005 version
Revelation 17:5-6 "And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON
the GREAT, The MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw
the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the
martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement."
(NKJV)
After Communism, the ideology that has killed the most Christians in the
20th century is Islam.
Jeremiah 8:11-12 "They dress the wound of my people as though it were not
serious. 'Peace, peace,' they say, when there is no peace. Are they ashamed
of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all; ."
The sword on the bottom of the flag of Saudi Arabia gives use a clue: Islam
is the World's Most Violent Religion Today.
Muslims Have Said Islam is a Religion of Peace - But Where?
In Nigeria? In 1987 churches were set on fire in Kaduna and Kafanchan and
Muslims killed hundreds of Christians.
In Algeria? Algerian Muslim students in the Houston admit that those who
convert from Islam are killed in their country.
In the Sudan? Muslim are enslaving and selling women and children of the
Dinka tribe according to the London Economist. The May 4, 1992 special ed.
of Newsweek on slavery also reported that Muslims are still enslaving blacks
as did the Austin American Statesman on 2/2/1996. Reader's Digest 3/1996
p.77-81 "Slavery's Shameful Return to Africa" is a heart-wrenching account
of oppression today. Also, mosques are being bombed by Muslims of different
groups.
In Egypt? A Muslim doctor was stabbed by a Muslim extremist. His crime? -
treating a Christian stabbed by a Muslim extremist.
In Iran? On 13/3/1990 Iranian Christian pastor Rev. Hussein Soodmand was
taken from his prison cell and executed because 21 years earlier he had
converted from Islam to Christianity. Besides Christians, Baha'is, Sufis,
and Zoroastrians have also been killed by government authorities.
In Afghanistan, the Sunni Taliban massacred about 3,000 Shi'ite Hazaris.
This was probably in revenge for Hazaris massacring about 2,000 Taliban
fighters earlier in the war.
In Tajikistan, there has been a brutal civil war that pitted Muslims against
Muslims.
In Pakistan, a teenage girl was executed for converting from Islam to
Christianity. Small Muslim sects, such as the Ahmaddiya, are by law
persecuted by the authorities in Pakistan.
In the Qur'an? "Kill them, and Allah will torment them by your hands. He
will humiliate them and give you victory over them." (Sura 9:14) "Fight
those who believe not. even if they be People of the book [Christians and
Jews] until they have willingly agreed to pay the Jizya tribute in
recognition of their submissive state." (Sura 9:29)
In Iraq, so far I have not heard of any persecution of Christians more than
any other groups. Perhaps Iraq today, that pristine paragon of peace, is
where Islam is most like a religion of peace.
Conclusion: Islam is the most warlike and violent major world religion
today.
Do Christians Worship the Same God as Allah?
When Muslims are trying to put a favorable "face" on Islam they say they are
the same? However, let's see what other Muslims say.
In Egypt Muslim extremists burned three churches in September 1991 and beat
a number of people, six in critical condition. They chanted "There is no God
but Allah and Copts [Coptic Christians] are the enemies of Allah" (Reach Out
to the Muslim World April 1992 p.18)
In Iran before his death, Khomeini wrote, "Any man or woman who denies the
existence of God, or believes in his partners (Trinity), or else does not
believe in his prophet Mohammed, is impure in the same way as are excrement,
urine, dog, and wine." (Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini p.51) (quoted from
Reach Out to the Muslim World April 1992 p.21)
In Malaysia they do not have violent persecution of Christians, though the
government destroyed a new Christian church in a mainly Christian village.
But they have a law that no literature (Christian or otherwise) can say that
the God of Christianity and Islam are the same. Malaysians are Sunni
Muslims.
Three Clues to Figure Out if Muslims and Christians Worship the Same God
When Muslims kill Christians because of their worship and beliefs.
When Muslims destroy houses of Christian worship, that [allegedly] provide
worship to the same God.
When Christians in Malaysia can only purchase Bibles through specialized
Christian centers, and only Bibles that do NOT use "Allah" as a word for God
are permitted.
Muslims might ask, if "Christianity is more peaceful that Islam, what about
the Crusades?" That is a fair question, and there are three points in the
answer.
1. The so-called "Christian" Crusades were against the teaching of Jesus and
the New Testament. Crusades were even launched against genuine Christians,
such as the Waldenses!
2. Europeans learned about religious Crusades from the Muslims. They started
when Muslims harassed Christian pilgrims to Jerusalem.
3. The Crusades and Muslim Jihads were really not so different after all.
Muslims even slaughtered great numbers of fellow Muslims because of
religion.
4. We should not glorify those in history who participated in Jihads and
Crusades, and that includes Mohammed.
Crusades ("Christian" Jihads)
1096-1099 1st Crusade (~70K Crusaders)
1120 Turks and Isma'ilis defeat 25K (Muslim) Nusayris
1147-1149 2nd Crusade, British capture Lisbon, Portugal
1162 Frederick I razes Milan, Italy
1189-1192 3rd Crusade
1202-1204 4th Crusade
1212 5th (Children's Crusade) 100k kids killed/captured
1218-1221 5/6th Crusade
1228-1229 6/7th Crusade
1229/30-1279 Teutonic Knights conquer pagan Slavs
1240 At Novgorod, Russians defeat Swedish invaders
1248-c.1291 7/8th Crusade
1262-1492 Spanish recapture Spain from Moors
UnChrist-like Aspects of the Crusades
1096 Soldiers of the First Crusade kill Jews
1097 Crusaders kill Nusayris at Mt. Lebanon
1204 Crusaders sack Constantinople for unpaid debts
1244 Massacre of Cathari at Beziers, 20K killed
1244 Burning of Cathari at Minerve 140 killed
1444 At Varna on Black Sea Turks defeat Crusaders
1487-1488 Crusade against the Bible-believing Waldenses
Jihads (Muslim Crusades)
632-642 2nd Phase of Muslim Conquests, Syria, Persia, Egypt, Cyrene
642-661 3rd phase, Armenia, Anatolia, Cyprus, rest of Libya
661-750 4th phase of Muslim conquests, Khazars, Spain
750-945 5th phase of Muslim Conquests, Afghanistan, part of Italy
969 Fatimids defeat other Muslims to conquer Egypt
1000-1025 Mahmud of Ghazni (Afghanistan) raids India
1039-1194 Seljuk Turks conquer much of the Muslim world
1364-1405 Tamerlane (fought more Muslims than non-)
1280-1919 Ottoman Empire
1354 Turks overrun Balkans, win at Kosovo in 6/27-28/1389
1453 100K Turks conquer Constantinople
"Distinctives" Muslim Holy Wars
732 Abd-ar-Rahman sacks St. Hilaire monastery
1076-1077 Muslims raze Ghana's capital
1084 Muslim Ghazni sacks Somnath, India - 50K
1168 Saladin recaptures Cairo Egypt from Fatimids
1175 Mahmud of Ghazni fights in India
1235 Muslims capture Ujjain, Central India
1260-1518 Mamelukes of Egypt persecute Nusayris
1300's Mamelukes conquer Christian Maqurra kingdom
More Jihad "Distinctives"
1320 Muslims destroy 60 Coptic churches
1324 Sultan of Delhi conquers Kalinga on the East India coast
1357 Tamerlane has a hill of 70K skulls at Isfahan, Iran
1398 Invades India because the Muslim Sultans were "too tolerant" of their
Hindu subjects
1399 Tamerlane builds a great mosque in Samarkand
1401 Tamerlane sacks Baghdad, killing 20K
Wars in the Old Testament
Different under the Old Testament theocracy
Canaanite religion was horrible with infant sacrifice and ritual
prostitution
Christ never said to fight anybody
In loving others, we have a higher standard today (except that many Muslims
disagree)
Summary
A Muslim named Al-Mughirah bin Shu'ban said, ".We [all] entered his religion
[Islam] either out of conviction or by coercion." al-Tabari vol.12 p.137
".you should know that Paradise is under the shade of swords." Abu Dawud
vol.2:2625 p.727
Fighting is jihad. Abu Dawud vol.2:2503-2504 p.693
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
15 Sep 2006 03:50:32 PM |
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Crusades where Chrisitan and it is defintly not a realigion of peace. When
you want tto talk about barbaric violent animals watch American TV, Go to
American prisons, Talk to an American redneck piece of ***** like you. Then
you will see hateful barbaric evil and violence.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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15 Sep 2006 04:52:12 PM |
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"John Smith" <STFU@aol.com> wrote in message
news:smEOg.8$Pa5.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
Crusades where Chrisitan and it is defintly not a realigion of peace. When
you want tto talk about barbaric violent animals watch American TV, Go to
American prisons, Talk to an American redneck piece of ***** like you. Then
you will see hateful barbaric evil and violence.
Very true but if you really want to see evil go to a red neck trailer park
(is there any other kind?) Saturday night when their doing meth. Then you
see evil blossom.
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| User: "john" |
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15 Sep 2006 05:44:39 PM |
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Kevin Cunningham wrote:
"John Smith" <STFU@aol.com> wrote in message
news:smEOg.8$Pa5.4@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
Crusades where Chrisitan and it is defintly not a realigion of peace. When
you want tto talk about barbaric violent animals watch American TV, Go to
American prisons, Talk to an American redneck piece of ***** like you. Then
you will see hateful barbaric evil and violence.
Very true but if you really want to see evil go to a red neck trailer park
(is there any other kind?) Saturday night when their doing meth. Then you
see evil blossom.
Allah is not God! Allah is the moon god adopted to the pedophile,
huckster, assassin, etc. Muhammed.
Bring it on towelheads.
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| User: "* US *" |
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| Title: Re: The Bushkult Crusades are War Crimes |
19 Sep 2006 06:30:52 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:44:39 -0700, john <@global.net> wrote:
...the pedophile...
Oh, you mean the Republican.
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| User: "duty-honor-country" |
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| Title: Bush's strong foreign policy successfully decreases gas prices-thanks "W" ! |
19 Sep 2006 06:36:29 AM |
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At this rate we may see $1.15 a gallon !
Exerpt from report:
For most of the past two years, oil prices have risen because the
world's oil producers have struggled to keep pace with growing demand,
particularly from China and India. Spare oil-production capacity grew
so tight that market players feared that any disruption to oil
production could create shortages. Fear of disruption focused on
fighting in Nigeria, escalating tensions over Iran's nuclear program,
violence between Israel and Lebanon that might spread to oil-producing
neighbors, and the prospect that hurricanes might topple oil facilities
in the Gulf of Mexico.
Oil traders bet that such worrisome developments would drive up the
future price of oil. Oil is traded in contracts for future delivery,
and companies that take physical delivery of oil are just a small part
of total trading. Large pension and commodities funds are the big
traders and they're seeking profits. They've sunk $105 billion or more
into oil futures in recent years, according to Verleger. Their bets
that oil prices would rise in the future bid up the price of oil. That,
in turn, led users of oil to create stockpiles as cushions against
supply disruptions and even higher future prices. Now inventories of
oil are approaching 1990 levels.
But many of the conditions that drove investors to bid up oil prices
are ebbing. Tensions over Israel, Lebanon and Nigeria are easing. The
hurricane season has presented no threat so far to the Gulf of Mexico.
The U.S. peak summer driving season is over, so gasoline demand is
falling. With fear of supply disruptions ebbing, oil prices began
sliding. With oil inventories high, refiners that turn oil into
gasoline are expected to cut production. As refiners cut production,
oil companies increasingly risk getting stuck with excess oil supplies.
There's already anecdotal evidence of oil companies chartering tankers
to store excess oil.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's strong foreign policy successfully decreases gas prices-thanks "W" ! |
20 Sep 2006 01:27:08 AM |
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"duty-honor-country" <dutyhonorcountry2@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158665789.738726.188000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
At this rate we may see $1.15 a gallon !
Exerpt from report:
For most of the past two years, oil prices have risen because the
world's oil producers have struggled to keep pace with growing demand,
particularly from China and India. Spare oil-production capacity grew
so tight that market players feared that any disruption to oil
production could create shortages. Fear of disruption focused on
fighting in Nigeria, escalating tensions over Iran's nuclear program,
violence between Israel and Lebanon that might spread to oil-producing
neighbors, and the prospect that hurricanes might topple oil facilities
in the Gulf of Mexico.
Oil traders bet that such worrisome developments would drive up the
future price of oil. Oil is traded in contracts for future delivery,
and companies that take physical delivery of oil are just a small part
of total trading. Large pension and commodities funds are the big
traders and they're seeking profits. They've sunk $105 billion or more
into oil futures in recent years, according to Verleger. Their bets
that oil prices would rise in the future bid up the price of oil. That,
in turn, led users of oil to create stockpiles as cushions against
supply disruptions and even higher future prices. Now inventories of
oil are approaching 1990 levels.
But many of the conditions that drove investors to bid up oil prices
are ebbing. Tensions over Israel, Lebanon and Nigeria are easing. The
hurricane season has presented no threat so far to the Gulf of Mexico.
The U.S. peak summer driving season is over, so gasoline demand is
falling. With fear of supply disruptions ebbing, oil prices began
sliding. With oil inventories high, refiners that turn oil into
gasoline are expected to cut production. As refiners cut production,
oil companies increasingly risk getting stuck with excess oil supplies.
There's already anecdotal evidence of oil companies chartering tankers
to store excess oil.
Your a fucking insane deluded fanatic. They set the price. Supplly and
demand HAS NEVER HAD ***** ALL TO DO WITH GAS PRICES. EVER!
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| User: "milou" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
15 Sep 2006 05:42:16 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 20:50:32 GMT, "John Smith" <STFU@aol.com> wrote:
Crusades where Chrisitan and it is defintly not a realigion of peace. When
you want tto talk about barbaric violent animals watch American TV, Go to
American prisons, Talk to an American redneck piece of ***** like you. Then
you will see hateful barbaric evil and violence.
You seem to be a very peaceful tolerant piece of *****.
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| User: "DanDan" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
15 Sep 2006 04:45:36 PM |
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The muslims call their religious wars a jihad. Crusades are a christian
definition for any military campaign against anyone they did not like.
Crusaders killed christians, jews and muslims alike. The crusaders were
a bunch of animals. It took a long time for muslims to get together and
fight back after those crusader beasts invaded the holy land and they
eventually beat the crusaders. If George Bush wants a rematch then
islam will be waiting ;)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 05:15:11 AM |
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DanDan wrote:
If George Bush wants a rematch then
islam will be waiting ;)<<<<
The Crusaders were a bunch of men who thought that they were protecing
God with their swords, someone 'else' has made this mistake too I
think. God's Word alone is His sword of peace, He does not need men to
be violent towards one another, not then and not today either.
In Christ's love
Carol T
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| User: "milou" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
15 Sep 2006 05:45:16 PM |
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On 15 Sep 2006 14:45:36 -0700, "DanDan" <dandan@h2009.com> wrote:
The muslims call their religious wars a jihad. Crusades are a christian
definition for any military campaign against anyone they did not like.
Crusaders killed christians, jews and muslims alike.
That was 1000 years ago.
Your sandnigger friends are dark ages parasitic vermin.
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| User: "The Real Diddy Pop" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 07:36:27 AM |
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Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
No, Muslims don't say their religion is one of peace. White apologetic
liberals say that. Anybody with one shred of common sense knows that
there is little peace in Islam.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:26:43 AM |
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"The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158410187.808392.36990@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
No, Muslims don't say their religion is one of peace. White apologetic
liberals say that. Anybody with one shred of common sense knows that
there is little peace in Islam.
There is no sense in your blithering idiocy. Your nothing but a clown
spouting American partisan slogans. Go watch NASCAR fool
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| User: "StevJohn2000" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 09:58:42 AM |
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The Real Diddy Pop wrote:
Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
No, Muslims don't say their religion is one of peace. White apologetic
liberals say that. Anybody with one shred of common sense knows that
there is little peace in Islam.
The ultimate goal of Islam is to establish Sharia, or Islamic law, upon
the entire world. They believe that Islam abrogates the incomplete
religions of Judaism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity. People in those
three faiths (People of the Book) would be allowed to practice them as
long as they paid a tax to Islam. So called heathens like Hindus or
Buddhists had the choice of being converted to Islam or killed.
Islam's definition of "peace" is that there is no resistance to it. You
can't peacefully co-exist with Islamofascists. You can either kill
them, or be killed by them.
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| User: "John Smith" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:29:23 AM |
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"StevJohn2000" <stephen.vze2623t@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158418722.467170.297520@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The Real Diddy Pop wrote:
Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
No, Muslims don't say their religion is one of peace. White apologetic
liberals say that. Anybody with one shred of common sense knows that
there is little peace in Islam.
The ultimate goal of Islam is to establish Sharia, or Islamic law, upon
the entire world. They believe that Islam abrogates the incomplete
religions of Judaism, Zoroastrianism and Christianity. People in those
three faiths (People of the Book) would be allowed to practice them as
long as they paid a tax to Islam. So called heathens like Hindus or
Buddhists had the choice of being converted to Islam or killed.
Islam's definition of "peace" is that there is no resistance to it. You
can't peacefully co-exist with Islamofascists. You can either kill
them, or be killed by them.
Your fuckign ignorant racists buffoon. Your babbling use of non existence
American buzzwords shows your complete and utter lack of understanding and
tolerance. Racists like you are nothing but cowards and fools. Americans
history has never been anything but the violence and in ability to co exist
with any other. Starting with the natives you killed to build your shittty
little houses all over the continent. Take of the hood spanky. Let some air
into your pea brain.
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:17:19 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 07:58:42 -0700, "StevJohn2000"
<stephen.vze2623t@gmail.com> wrote:
The Real Diddy Pop wrote:
Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
No, Muslims don't say their religion is one of peace. White apologetic
liberals say that. Anybody with one shred of common sense knows that
there is little peace in Islam.
The ultimate goal of Islam is to establish Sharia, or Islamic law, upon
the entire world.
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others. I guess you've never watched the fat *****
Evaganical John Hagee screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're
"born again" you're headed for hell. Hint: all religions have their
crackpots, fakers and zealots.
http://www.jhm.org/pastor.asp
For every radical Muslim, there are 10,000 that aren't and never would
become one under any circumstance. The point is Judaism,
Zoroastrianism and Christianity all have nut cases attacking other
religions. The pope in his recent remarks were very ill advised to
raise the issue which began the hatred. The guy is probably senile.
The problem with any organized religion is most establish some figure
head who gets the job for life and once they get into their 70's and
beyond it becomes clear they often are just babbling. Its another
problem with the Catholic church. Most every modern day pope has
started out being a old fart set in his way, unwilling and unflexable
in his thinking and so the mindless dogma just goes on and on.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:20:52 AM |
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In news:pg4og21gutvmj0sfm3amjj3le7189dq2aj@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others.
Impose? By force? Slaughtering those who don't convert?
I guess you've never watched the fat ***** Evaganical John Hagee
screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're "born again" you're
headed for hell.
Telling you what he believes will be the consequences of your bad
decision is not quite the same as him personally chopping your head off
for it.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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16 Sep 2006 10:26:13 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 15:20:52 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:pg4og21gutvmj0sfm3amjj3le7189dq2aj@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others.
Impose? By force? Slaughtering those who don't convert?
I guess you've never watched the fat ***** Evaganical John Hagee
screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're "born again" you're
headed for hell.
Telling you what he believes will be the consequences of your bad
decision is not quite the same as him personally chopping your head off
for it.
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
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| User: "StevJohn2000" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:47:08 AM |
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Adam Albright wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 15:20:52 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:pg4og21gutvmj0sfm3amjj3le7189dq2aj@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others.
Impose? By force? Slaughtering those who don't convert?
I guess you've never watched the fat ***** Evaganical John Hagee
screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're "born again" you're
headed for hell.
Telling you what he believes will be the consequences of your bad
decision is not quite the same as him personally chopping your head off
for it.
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
The majority of "peaceful" Muslims in Indonesia failed to take action
while the "handfull of kooks" slaughtered Christians in East Timor.
http://www.domini.org/openbook/ind19990914.htm
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 11:08:48 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 08:47:08 -0700, "StevJohn2000"
<stephen.vze2623t@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam Albright wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 15:20:52 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:pg4og21gutvmj0sfm3amjj3le7189dq2aj@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others.
Impose? By force? Slaughtering those who don't convert?
I guess you've never watched the fat ***** Evaganical John Hagee
screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're "born again" you're
headed for hell.
Telling you what he believes will be the consequences of your bad
decision is not quite the same as him personally chopping your head off
for it.
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
The majority of "peaceful" Muslims in Indonesia failed to take action
while the "handfull of kooks" slaughtered Christians in East Timor.
The Christian world did nothing during WWII while the Nazi goons
slaughtered millions of Jews.
You were trying to make a point?
In a similar manner the "armies of God" sent by the pope in the middle
ages went to the Middle East to slaughter Muslims, if you were foolish
enough to believe the pope, they did so with God's blessing.
It isn't surprising to me hot heads never can focus their anger. The
enemy is bin Laden and his band of thugs and like minded zealots that
use terror as a tatic and have hijacked Islam for their purposes. Only
the simple-minded ***** wipes that live to hate would condemn a billion
and a half peace loving Muslims for the acts of a handful. Such
stupidity is just as insane as hating all Mexicans because some
Mexicans have committed crimes after entering this country illegally.
Oops, sorry, that's exactly what ***** right winger bigots like hank
do, they hate groups of people regardless if they committed crimes or
not. LOL!
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| User: "StevJohn2000" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 02:24:44 PM |
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Adam Albright wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 08:47:08 -0700, "StevJohn2000"
<stephen.vze2623t@gmail.com> wrote:
Adam Albright wrote:
On 16 Sep 2006 15:20:52 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:pg4og21gutvmj0sfm3amjj3le7189dq2aj@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Well duh... the goal of all organized religions is to impose their
belief system on others.
Impose? By force? Slaughtering those who don't convert?
I guess you've never watched the fat ***** Evaganical John Hagee
screaming at the top of his lungs unless you're "born again" you're
headed for hell.
Telling you what he believes will be the consequences of your bad
decision is not quite the same as him personally chopping your head off
for it.
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
The majority of "peaceful" Muslims in Indonesia failed to take action
while the "handfull of kooks" slaughtered Christians in East Timor.
The Christian world did nothing during WWII while the Nazi goons
slaughtered millions of Jews.
We got rid of Hitler. Isn't that taking action? It's safe for Jews to
live in Germany, now. It still isn't safe for Christians to live in
Indonesia.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4387604.stm
You were trying to make a point?
In a similar manner the "armies of God" sent by the pope in the middle
ages went to the Middle East to slaughter Muslims, if you were foolish
enough to believe the pope, they did so with God's blessing.
Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land getting killed by Muslims was the
impetus for the Crusades.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade#Historical_context
There used to be thriving Christian and Jewish communities on the
Arabian Pennensula. where are they now?
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/medina.html
It isn't surprising to me hot heads never can focus their anger. The
enemy is bin Laden and his band of thugs and like minded zealots that
use terror as a tatic and have hijacked Islam for their purposes. Only
the simple-minded ***** wipes that live to hate would condemn a billion
and a half peace loving Muslims for the acts of a handful.
I'm against indiscriminate bias against any *individual* Muslim. But I
would be lying if I said that I viewed the Muslim masses the same way
that I view the Hindu, Buddhist or just about any other religion. The
headlines of today speak for themselves.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/1379
"The fact that, as the BBC News 24 is reporting, all 21 of those
arrested this morning in connection with the airline terror plot were
British-born is going to produce yet more soul-searching about the
state of integration in Britain.
A recent opinion poll of British Muslims, which Timothy Garton Ash
wrote about this morning, makes for sobering reading. Only 31 percent
support free speech if it offends religious groups. Seventy-eight
percent want those who published the cartoons of Muhammad to be
punished. A mere 29 percent believe the Holocaust happened as history
teaches it. Forty-five percent are convinced that 9/11 was an
American/Israeli conspiracy-and that number rises to 51 percent among
Muslims aged 18-24. Thirty percent would rather live under sharia
rather than British law and 28 percent would like Britain to become an
Islamic state. Eleven percent have firmly decided that British foreign
policy justified the July 7th bombings, and 31 percent of young Muslims
agree with this idea. Sadly, this is no rogue poll. Other surveys have
come up with very similar results.
These numbers demonstrate how imbecilic it is to argue that if only
Tony Blair hadn't allied himself with George W. Bush in the war on
terror there would be no problem. So, if changing British foreign
policy-or to be more frank, appeasement-won't work, then what will?
This is where pretty much everyone in Britain is stumped. A good place
to start might be ceasing to tolerate people wandering around London
boasting "We're all Hezbollah now.""
Such
stupidity is just as insane as hating all Mexicans because some
Mexicans have committed crimes after entering this country illegally.
As many problems that illegal Mexican immigration has caused in this
country, I thank God that they aren't Muslims. Our immigrant problems
pale in comparison to those of Western Europe.
Oops, sorry, that's exactly what ***** right winger bigots like hank
do, they hate groups of people regardless if they committed crimes or
not. LOL!
We're in agreement there. I don't even bother reading Rightwinghank's
posting - but then again, I don't read Mobius Pretzel's, either. The
internet gives everyone freedom of speech, but those two raely get
other people to comment.
Anyway, good to get into a discussion with someone without it
degenerating into a pissing contest. Be well
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:35:05 AM |
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In news:mo5og21ukbqod2mctsf6lvv9t9b84rsqsc@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
You're the one who claimed "Well duh... the goal of all organized
religions is to impose their belief system on others.", presenting The
Society of Friends as the moral equivalent of the folks who rule in
Iran.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
16 Sep 2006 10:42:08 AM |
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On 16 Sep 2006 15:35:05 GMT, Bert Hyman <bert@iphouse.com> wrote:
In news:mo5og21ukbqod2mctsf6lvv9t9b84rsqsc@4ax.com Adam Albright
<AA@ABC.net> wrote:
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
You're the one who claimed "Well duh... the goal of all organized
religions is to impose their belief system on others.", presenting The
Society of Friends as the moral equivalent of the folks who rule in
Iran.
If the shoe fits, wear it.
Now you try to put words in my mouth by adding "...presenting The
Society of Friends as the moral equivalent of the folks who rule in
Iran.
You right winger ***** are all alike, liars, fools, cheats. You don't
even have the honesty or common decency to quote accurately needing to
add to what I said. You're a liar. Not only does the shoe fit, it just
kicked your stupid right wing *****.
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| User: "The Real Diddy Pop" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
17 Sep 2006 10:55:48 AM |
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While it is true that the vast majority of Muslims probably wouldn't be
suicide bombers, I believe that the vast majority sympathize with that
viewpoint. Do you actually want us to believe that the Muslim
community would dime out a terror cell in Dearborn, MI? Or what about
Amman? Get real dude, 9 of 10 Muslims aren't terrorists, but they are
terror supporters...financial, philosophical, etc.
Adam Albright wrote:
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
17 Sep 2006 02:27:43 PM |
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Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
The problem is not that anyone (reasonable) wants to think that all the 1.2B
Muslims (or so) are terrorist suicide killers, but that there have not been
nearly enough of the peace-loving "silent majority" members and leaders of
the Muslim community speaking out against these acts.
By their failure to speak out, and their frequently seen attempts at
rationalizing the terrorist acts as responses to 'oppression' that they
insist WE should try and understand, they are, in effect, appearing to the
large majority of non-Muslims as being passively supportive of the fanatical
Islamic movement.
From that point of view The Real Diddy Pop has a valid point of view.
"The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158508547.878385.114360@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
While it is true that the vast majority of Muslims probably wouldn't be
suicide bombers, I believe that the vast majority sympathize with that
viewpoint. Do you actually want us to believe that the Muslim
community would dime out a terror cell in Dearborn, MI? Or what about
Amman? Get real dude, 9 of 10 Muslims aren't terrorists, but they are
terror supporters...financial, philosophical, etc.
Adam Albright wrote:
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
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| User: "StevJohn2000" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
17 Sep 2006 11:01:17 PM |
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Carl wrote:
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
The problem is not that anyone (reasonable) wants to think that all the 1.2B
Muslims (or so) are terrorist suicide killers, but that there have not been
nearly enough of the peace-loving "silent majority" members and leaders of
the Muslim community speaking out against these acts.
By their failure to speak out, and their frequently seen attempts at
rationalizing the terrorist acts as responses to 'oppression' that they
insist WE should try and understand, they are, in effect, appearing to the
large majority of non-Muslims as being passively supportive of the fanatical
Islamic movement.
From that point of view The Real Diddy Pop has a valid point of view.
This latest blow-up over the Pope's "offending" Islam is a case in
point.
The goal of the Islamists is to humiliate the west, not to build
bridges of understanding. The usual suspects riot, kill nuns, bomb
churches and the "moderate" Muslims say nothing.
The West allows large-scale Muslim immigration to their countries at
their own peril.
"The Real Diddy Pop" <whodey1@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1158508547.878385.114360@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
While it is true that the vast majority of Muslims probably wouldn't be
suicide bombers, I believe that the vast majority sympathize with that
viewpoint. Do you actually want us to believe that the Muslim
community would dime out a terror cell in Dearborn, MI? Or what about
Amman? Get real dude, 9 of 10 Muslims aren't terrorists, but they are
terror supporters...financial, philosophical, etc.
Adam Albright wrote:
Again you confirm how simple minded you are by attempting to link the
acts of a few to the over billion and a half practing Muslims in the
world that haven't harmed anybody and just want to live in peace like
the vast majority of Christians, Jews and everybody else.
Its always the handful of kooks that ***** things up.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
18 Sep 2006 07:10:57 PM |
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The West is the White race.
The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The
multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of
Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or
anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.
If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.
And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the
media, in other words the Jews.
Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their
own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to
remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were
our allies. Today it is the Muslims.
Osama bin Laden
September 24th statement published in Pakistan
"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic
freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose
first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it
is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the
U.S. is not uttering a single word."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
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| User: "StevJohn2000" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
18 Sep 2006 10:09:25 PM |
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Topaz wrote:
The West is the White race.
The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The
multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of
Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or
anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.
If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.
And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the
media, in other words the Jews.
Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their
own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to
remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were
our allies. Today it is the Muslims.
Osama bin Laden
September 24th statement published in Pakistan
"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic
freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose
first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it
is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the
U.S. is not uttering a single word."
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
What that means is than Bin Laden will slit a Jew's throat before he
slits yours.
You are a fool
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| User: "Topaz" |
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| Title: Re: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
19 Sep 2006 07:51:11 PM |
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On 18 Sep 2006 20:09:25 -0700, "StevJohn2000"
<stephen.vze2623t@gmail.com> wrote:
What that means is than Bin Laden will slit a Jew's throat before he
slits yours.
You are a fool
If the Jews didn't rule America, Bin Laden wouldn't care about it
very much.
Just before the US presidential elections, Bin Laden
asked: "Why do we not attack Sweden?"
"Nearly all the world has access to less biased information than
residents of the US. In recent votes on sanctions of Israel in the
General Assembly of the UN, the votes have ranged up to 153 to 2, the
2 being the US, and Israel."
RLA
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.ihr.org/
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| User: "* US *" |
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| Title: Re: The Bushkult Crusades are War Crimes |
21 Sep 2006 06:18:17 AM |
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 15:27:43 -0400, "Carl" <crothman@NOSPAMoptonline.net> wrote:
By their failure to speak out ...
You are mistaken, possibly because you're too frightened
and dimwitted to notice that Muslims everywhere have
indeed spoken out against terrorism.
It's the bushkultie who supports terrorism.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: The Muslim Crusades |
15 Sep 2006 06:14:56 PM |
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Demoqaeda wrote:
Islam, Religion of Peace!?
November 2005 version
Revelation 17:5-6 "And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON
the GREAT, The MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. I saw
the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the
martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement."
(NKJV)
You know how they stopped all of that crusade violence last time, don't
you?
Yeah.. they just got out of the middle east and went home.
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