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"Mega" |
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09 Mar 2006 01:28:28 AM |
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The New Jews of Europe |
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't
believe in it at all.
Noam Chomsky
During the Salman Rushdie crisis, many lectured the Muslims not get too
upset over words and like a parrot they kept repeating the old phrase:
"Sticks and stones may break my back but words will never hurt me". Not
true, words do hurt. This is why you have libel laws, censorships, and
numerous other legislations in place to prevent hurtful words being
published. One of the most eminent British Historian, David Irving, has been
convicted for denying the holocaust back in 1989, and he faces a 10-year
prison sentence under Austrian law. Remember, it was the words of Colin
Powell, Bush, and Blair that incited the savage vulture like attack on the
dead corpse of Iraq. All proves that words do matter, they can hurt people
and it is too easy to lecture the voiceless victims to ignore hateful words.
Everyone must have picked up the clear double standards by comparing the
conviction of David Irving, with the freedom of expression given to the
Danish and other European newspapers, to openly injure the feelings of
billions of Muslims. They do this regularly and the printing those
derogatory cartoons is simply the tip of the ice berg. Likewise, that
similar freedom is given to known racist individuals like Nick Griffin, the
leader of the rightwing racist party (British Nationalist Party), to incite
hatred and violence against the Muslims in particular. For sure, they have
incited many to commit acts of violence against immigrants, especially those
with a different skin colour.
So, freedom of expression allowed for racist hooligans to the broadsheet
newspaper journalists but not for academics like David Irving. David Irving
did not resort to offensive language like Salman Rushdie, nor did he resort
to drawing vulgar cartoons of the Prophet of Islam to satisfy the appetite
of the anti-Islamic brigade. Neither has he ever incited people to attack a
particular group of people. He may have differed with the official version
of Holocaust but he has never called for the targeting of the Jews, or has
been known to make disparaging comments about them. His work was based on
academic research; a genuine expression of a viewpoint; therefore it should
have easily passed the free speech test. Other Historians are free to come
forward and prove him to be wrong and that would have made the case for the
pro-Holocaust camp even stronger.
What is the real motive behind the vigorous censorship applied to this issue
of holocaust? Why is it beyond the limits of free speech? Why Europe cannot
tolerate constructive criticisms of Holocaust, which is far less than the
insults they throw constantly at Islam and Muslims day and night. While
Muslims do and can tolerate constructive criticisms but are not prepared to
tolerate insults. Do you now see the contrast, who is tolerant and who is
intolerant?
The most startling hypocrisy is not the selective application of freedom of
expression because we have all become used to this by now. We also witnessed
the selective application of the UN resolutions for decades. The astonishing
hypocrisy is that the real mass murderers sit comfortably in the White House
and the Downing Street, after killing hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians. While those who have used freedom of expression to express their
viewpoint face the neo-inquisition. People are tried for words, while those
commit mass murder roam free. The phrase should read: "Cluster bombs and
cruise missiles may only kill thousands but it is the anti-Zionist words
that will land you in trouble in the land of 'free' speech!"
Many of the commentators have already labelled the Muslims as the new Jews
of Europe but nobody dares to mention that the Jews have become the new
Church in Europe. In line with the notion of being God's chosen people, the
Jews are sacred but not the Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, even the native
Europeans and Americans are expendable for Israel. All because the blood of
a Goy (Gentile), is not the same as a Jew, as expressed by the Jewish
Rabbis.
Now observe the connection between the Danish Cartoons and David Irving.
Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten is a Jew, a
pro-Israeli Zionist, a known disciple of Daniel Pipes (Julius Streicher of
the neo-cons). Therefore, they have the free speech license to say anything
they want. David Irving just happens to hold a viewpoint that opposed the
Zionist camp. Hence, it seems, the real test for free-speech is where your
opinion sits within the spectrum of Pro-Zionists to anti-Zionists. If it is
in compliant with the pro-Zionist agenda, it has the free speech permit,
otherwise not.
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| User: "CB" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jews of Europe |
09 Mar 2006 02:12:15 AM |
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The media is hard on hunting accidents but on free speech...
http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/060303/benson.gif
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CB
A more likey outcome for Jews...this time...
http://stonegiant.com/Politics/aMoreLikelyScenario.gif
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| User: "Do As You Are Told" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jews of Europe |
09 Mar 2006 12:59:05 AM |
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You don't understand human anthropology at all: bashing minorities is good
for the body politic. We must bash both the Arabs and Jews so that the body
politic may thrive, feel self-esteem, and rest soundly in comfortable
knowledge that only the European majority (the body politic in your example)
is good and pure. Dogs, baboons and chimpanzees do the same thing to
outcasts in the wild; scapegoats are a necessary part of the wild kingdom.
Instead of railing against persecution, you should be supporting it because
persecution is part of the Darwinian reality of all biological life. Any
minority that cannot defend itself from the majority is unfit to survive in
an evolutionary sense therefore it is natural for that minority to face
extinction.
Do As You Are Told
"Mega" <Megalita@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:YKadnYm55o98M5LZ4p2dnA@sysmatrix.net...
If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we
don't
believe in it at all.
Noam Chomsky
During the Salman Rushdie crisis, many lectured the Muslims not get too
upset over words and like a parrot they kept repeating the old phrase:
"Sticks and stones may break my back but words will never hurt me". Not
true, words do hurt. This is why you have libel laws, censorships, and
numerous other legislations in place to prevent hurtful words being
published. One of the most eminent British Historian, David Irving, has
been
convicted for denying the holocaust back in 1989, and he faces a 10-year
prison sentence under Austrian law. Remember, it was the words of Colin
Powell, Bush, and Blair that incited the savage vulture like attack on the
dead corpse of Iraq. All proves that words do matter, they can hurt people
and it is too easy to lecture the voiceless victims to ignore hateful
words.
Everyone must have picked up the clear double standards by comparing the
conviction of David Irving, with the freedom of expression given to the
Danish and other European newspapers, to openly injure the feelings of
billions of Muslims. They do this regularly and the printing those
derogatory cartoons is simply the tip of the ice berg. Likewise, that
similar freedom is given to known racist individuals like Nick Griffin,
the
leader of the rightwing racist party (British Nationalist Party), to
incite
hatred and violence against the Muslims in particular. For sure, they have
incited many to commit acts of violence against immigrants, especially
those
with a different skin colour.
So, freedom of expression allowed for racist hooligans to the broadsheet
newspaper journalists but not for academics like David Irving. David
Irving
did not resort to offensive language like Salman Rushdie, nor did he
resort
to drawing vulgar cartoons of the Prophet of Islam to satisfy the appetite
of the anti-Islamic brigade. Neither has he ever incited people to attack
a
particular group of people. He may have differed with the official version
of Holocaust but he has never called for the targeting of the Jews, or has
been known to make disparaging comments about them. His work was based on
academic research; a genuine expression of a viewpoint; therefore it
should
have easily passed the free speech test. Other Historians are free to come
forward and prove him to be wrong and that would have made the case for
the
pro-Holocaust camp even stronger.
What is the real motive behind the vigorous censorship applied to this
issue
of holocaust? Why is it beyond the limits of free speech? Why Europe
cannot
tolerate constructive criticisms of Holocaust, which is far less than the
insults they throw constantly at Islam and Muslims day and night. While
Muslims do and can tolerate constructive criticisms but are not prepared
to
tolerate insults. Do you now see the contrast, who is tolerant and who is
intolerant?
The most startling hypocrisy is not the selective application of freedom
of
expression because we have all become used to this by now. We also
witnessed
the selective application of the UN resolutions for decades. The
astonishing
hypocrisy is that the real mass murderers sit comfortably in the White
House
and the Downing Street, after killing hundreds of thousands of innocent
civilians. While those who have used freedom of expression to express
their
viewpoint face the neo-inquisition. People are tried for words, while
those
commit mass murder roam free. The phrase should read: "Cluster bombs and
cruise missiles may only kill thousands but it is the anti-Zionist words
that will land you in trouble in the land of 'free' speech!"
Many of the commentators have already labelled the Muslims as the new Jews
of Europe but nobody dares to mention that the Jews have become the new
Church in Europe. In line with the notion of being God's chosen people,
the
Jews are sacred but not the Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, even the native
Europeans and Americans are expendable for Israel. All because the blood
of
a Goy (Gentile), is not the same as a Jew, as expressed by the Jewish
Rabbis.
Now observe the connection between the Danish Cartoons and David Irving.
Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of Jyllands-Posten is a Jew, a
pro-Israeli Zionist, a known disciple of Daniel Pipes (Julius Streicher of
the neo-cons). Therefore, they have the free speech license to say
anything
they want. David Irving just happens to hold a viewpoint that opposed the
Zionist camp. Hence, it seems, the real test for free-speech is where your
opinion sits within the spectrum of Pro-Zionists to anti-Zionists. If it
is
in compliant with the pro-Zionist agenda, it has the free speech permit,
otherwise not.
.
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| User: "Crash" |
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| Title: Re: The New Jews of Europe |
09 Mar 2006 04:32:59 AM |
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Do As You Are Told wrote:
You don't understand human anthropology at all: bashing minorities is good
for the body politic. We must bash both the Arabs and Jews so that the body
politic may thrive, feel self-esteem, and rest soundly in comfortable
knowledge that only the European majority (the body politic in your example)
is good and pure.
Very true. Social psychology is very clear on this point. Part of
maintaining a group is defining its boundaries by highlighting those
that are not in the group...
Interestingly the converse is also true. Part of maintaining a group
boundary is defining shared experiences and shared threats to the
group. The religous right in america does this all of the time with
their constant whining about "an assault on freedom of religion" and
their perceived "war on christmas"... People who are not in the group
think the group members are whack jobs, group members reinforce the
group boundary via their shared persecution complex....
However islam and its persecution complex are different. If those
stupid mother fu^&%$kers don't stop pissing everybody not in their
group off, then their persecution complex is going to become a
persecution reality... :)
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