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"Harry Hope" |
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The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg. |
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera—has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions.
Among them is whether American agencies had a direct or indirect hand
in the young man’s murder.
Questions immediately arise from the timing and political consequences
of his killing.
At the height of a massive scandal engulfing the Bush administration,
Berg’s death has been exploited by the American government and the US
media to launch a counter-offensive against the revelations of
systematic US torture in Abu Ghraib and other Iraqi prisons.
A wholesale attempt is being made to shift American and international
public opinion away from the outrage over the criminal character of
the US occupation of Iraq and behind the self-serving argument that
American forces are needed in Iraq to prevent the country descending
into barbarism and chaos.
Were Berg’s murderers being directly paid by the American government,
they could not have performed a more timely service for the Bush White
House.
Berg’s killing was carried out in the name of al-Qaeda-aligned
Jordanian terrorist Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
Whoever is operating in the name of Zarqawi, they have a proven record
of provocative actions that have only helped to prop up the American
occupation of Iraq.
On February 9, amid signs that the majority Iraqi Shiite population
was on the verge of joining the armed resistance being fought mainly
in Sunni Muslim areas, a letter, allegedly authored by Zarqawi, called
for Sunnis to provoke a civil war with the Shiites.
American officials used the letter to argue that their occupation was
the only thing holding Iraq’s religious groups apart.
Several weeks later, on March 2, suicide bombings at Shiite mosques in
Karbala and Baghdad were blamed on what the US now calls the "Zarqawi
network."
Contrary to the schema outlined by US officials and in Zarqawi’s
letter, the bulk of the Iraqi masses spurned sectarianism.
The growing unity has been on display in mass demonstrations and joint
struggle since the eruption of a Shiite uprising in early April.
Even before the torture revelations, the US occupation of Iraq had
crumbled into a morass of bloody reprisals against the Iraqi people
and growing American casualties.
Opposition has been steadily growing in the US and internationally.
The group who carried out the beheading of Berg and then ensured it
was broadcast around the globe must have known that it would horrify
American and world public opinion and assist the efforts at damage
control in Washington.
Further questions are raised by the attempts of the US government to
conceal or distort what it knew about Berg himself and the events
leading up to his disappearance in Baghdad on April 10.
Berg vanished in Iraq just 72 hours after being released from 13 days
in US military custody and questioning by the FBI.
Berg has been described by his family and friends as adventurous.
He had a limited knowledge of Arabic and an interest in obtaining
reconstruction contracts in Iraq for the family telecommunications
company, Prometheus Methods Tower Service.
In December 2003 he travelled to Iraq and went home on February 1.
Among the places the young man inquired for contract work was the Abu
Ghraib prison--which he referred to as a "notorious prison for army
and political prisoners."
He returned to Iraq in mid-March.
CBS News revealed yesterday that the young man had been on the FBI’s
books for at least two years.
In 2002, he was interviewed as part of the investigations in the
September 11 terror attacks, over the fact his computer password had
been used by alleged al-Qaeda terrorist Zaccarias Moussaoui.
According to Berg’s family, the FBI was reportedly satisfied the
password was obtained during a brief encounter on a bus, when Nick
Berg had allowed Moussaoui to use his computer.
On March 7, the pro-Bush website FreeRepublic.com published a list of
"enemies" who were opposing the US occupation of Iraq.
Among the names, taken from a public list of people who had endorsed a
planned March 20 antiwar demonstration on the website of the group
ANSWER, was Michael Berg--Nick’s father--and the name of the Berg
family company.
Such information would be entered into the databases of US
intelligence agencies as well.
Berg was seized on March 24, within one week of returning to Iraq, and
held incommunicado without charges in a Mosul prison for unspecified
"suspicious activities."
His parents in Philadelphia were visited by the FBI on March 31 and
asked why their son was in Iraq.
Berg reported being interviewed at least three times during his
detention by FBI agents and asked whether he had constructed pipe
bombs or had visited Iran.
He was released on April 6 only after his family filed a federal court
case against the US government the day before for illegal
imprisonment.
Dan Senor, the Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman in Iraq,
claimed this week that Berg had never been detained by US forces, only
by Iraqis.
This has been exposed to be a lie. Berg’s family has produced an email
from Beth A Payne, a US consular official in Iraq, dated April 1.
Payne wrote:
"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the US
military in Mosul... He was picked up approximately one week ago."
The chief of the Iraqi police in Mosul has also publicly rejected the
claim that Berg was detained by his command.
He told a press conference on May 13:
"The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American. Take it from
me... that such reports are baseless."
After his release, Nick Berg travelled to Baghdad.
His family last heard from him on April 9, when he reported he was
looking to leave Iraq via Kuwait as soon as it was safe enough.
They have indicated Berg told them he was wary of trying to fly out to
Jordan on the grounds it was too dangerous.
At the time, much of Baghdad was in engulfed in heavy fighting.
Large parts of the city, including the roadways leading to the
airport, were under constant attack by the Iraqi resistance and
Westerners and Japanese had been taken hostage by various groups.
The last alleged contact with Berg by a US official was on April 10.
A State department spokesperson told CBS an American diplomat offered
to arrange a flight for him to Jordan.
He allegedly refused and restated his intention to travel to Kuwait.
His hotel has reported he left early on April 10, saying he intended
to be back within a few days.
If the American government is to be believed, no US agency then took
any further interest in his activities or well-being until it was
apparent he had disappeared.
No satisfying answers have been given to obvious questions.
Were Berg’s movements in Iraq being monitored by American
intelligence?
Why was he detained and on whose orders?
Was he under surveillance after he was released on April 6?
If he was, how did he come to be kidnapped in the centre of Baghdad?
Throughout this week, Berg’s father Michael has repeatedly denounced
the Bush administration for complicity in his son’s death.
He told Boston radio station WBUR on Tuesday:
"[W]hat cost my son his life was the fact the US government saw fit to
keep him in custody for 13 days without any of due process or civil
rights and released him when they were good and ready. It goes further
than Donald Rumsfeld. It’s the whole Patriot Act, it’s the whole
feeling in this country that rights don’t matter any more because
there are terrorists about. Well in my opinion ‘terrorist’ is just
another word like ‘communist’ or ‘witch’ and it’s a witchhunt and this
whole administration is just representing something that is not
America."
Yesterday, he told Philadelphia radio:
"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This
administration did this."
He has also demanded to know whether "it is true that al-Qaeda offered
to trade my son’s life for another person," as is alleged in the
video-tape statement of Nick Berg’s killers.
The issues being raised by Michael Berg point to the fact, that at
best, the US authorities created the conditions in which his son could
be kidnapped by extremists and killed.
The more disturbing possibility that arises from all the evidence that
is known is that Berg’s disappearance and subsequent killing was the
work of US agencies or pro-US Iraqi factions.
One month after he disappeared, Berg was murdered at the most
opportune moment for the US government.
Anyone who believes it is unthinkable or outrageous to suggest that
the American government would sanction having one of its citizens
murdered to shore up its fortunes is underestimating the political
situation.
The Bush administration and elements of the American military
hierarchy, media and corporate establishment are indictable war
criminals.
They ordered, directed, propagated or have profited from a criminal
war, in flagrant violation of international law.
The year since the US-led invasion of Iraq has been marked by further
war crimes and atrocities.
For significant sections of the American ruling class, everything
depends upon preventing opposition to the occupation of Iraq within
the American and international working class from developing into a
conscious movement for political and social change.
To them, the life of 26-year-old Nick Berg would have meant nothing.
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Harry
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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14 May 2004 03:37:58 PM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
There seems to have been other issues, as well:
* Most sources assert that Zarqawi has been dead for a month before the
video was taken.
* The person who claimed to be Zarqawi was not afraid to clearly state his
identity, but he wore a mask and never showed his face.
* Zarqawi had lost a leg in an earlier attack (before the one that killed
him) and had been known to wear a badly fitting prosthetic and have great
difficulty in moving around. The man who identified himself as Zarqawi
obviously had two fully natural, fully functional legs, as he had no
problem kneeling, crouching or bending down in the video.
* Zarqawi spoke a dialect of Arabic that was distinctly Jordanian. A
growing number of experts who have heard the soundtrack to the tape have
claimed that the man who identified himself as Zarqawi not only did not
speak the Jordanian dialect, but seems not to have been a native speaker
of Arabic at all.
* With two of the body's principle veins being in the neck and a heart
pounding in fear, there should have been great fountains of blood. The
tape showed almost none.
* The jumpsuit that Berg was wearing was standard issue US military prison
garb. If Berg had never been in US custody (as the US forces assert) or
had been in custody but latter released (as Berg's family has evidence to
believe), why was he wearing US military prison clothes? It is really
likely that his terrorist captors would have had one, even if they had
taken the time to get Berg to change clothes?
* Likewise the white plastic resin chair in which Berg is shown. We see
the same kind of chair in the Abu Ghirab photos, but they would have been
next to impossible to find outside of US military controlled areas. How
did the terrorists come to have such a chair?
--
Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"If you make yourself a sheep, the wolves will eat you."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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| User: "Tempest" |
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14 May 2004 06:48:56 PM |
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Gregory Gadow wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
There seems to have been other issues, as well:
* Most sources assert that Zarqawi has been dead for a month before the
video was taken.
* The person who claimed to be Zarqawi was not afraid to clearly state his
identity, but he wore a mask and never showed his face.
* Zarqawi had lost a leg in an earlier attack (before the one that killed
him) and had been known to wear a badly fitting prosthetic and have great
difficulty in moving around. The man who identified himself as Zarqawi
obviously had two fully natural, fully functional legs, as he had no
problem kneeling, crouching or bending down in the video.
* Zarqawi spoke a dialect of Arabic that was distinctly Jordanian. A
growing number of experts who have heard the soundtrack to the tape have
claimed that the man who identified himself as Zarqawi not only did not
speak the Jordanian dialect, but seems not to have been a native speaker
of Arabic at all.
* With two of the body's principle veins being in the neck and a heart
pounding in fear, there should have been great fountains of blood. The
tape showed almost none.
* The jumpsuit that Berg was wearing was standard issue US military prison
garb. If Berg had never been in US custody (as the US forces assert) or
had been in custody but latter released (as Berg's family has evidence to
believe), why was he wearing US military prison clothes? It is really
likely that his terrorist captors would have had one, even if they had
taken the time to get Berg to change clothes?
* Likewise the white plastic resin chair in which Berg is shown. We see
the same kind of chair in the Abu Ghirab photos, but they would have been
next to impossible to find outside of US military controlled areas. How
did the terrorists come to have such a chair?
Some people seem to think they picked it up at the Baghdad Walmart
specifically for Berg's comfort.
Why are all other hostages shown sitting on the floor when these videos
are made?
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
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| User: "Dennis Howdy" |
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14 May 2004 04:14:09 PM |
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In article <40A52E26.BD8B7416@serv.net>, says...
Harry Hope wrote:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
There seems to have been other issues, as well:
* Most sources assert that Zarqawi has been dead for a month before the
video was taken........
Now the anal retentives have have a new cause. "The Berg Conspiracy".
Anything to avoid the truth, as shown in that video. It is as plain
as the nose on your face. The guy was beheaded by terrorists,
end of story. Stop making politcal hay out of it! How asninine.
-Dennis
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"Be suspicious of anybody who claims to know the truth."
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| User: "harold " |
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15 May 2004 05:20:43 PM |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:37:58 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
There seems to have been other issues, as well:
* Most sources assert that Zarqawi has been dead for a month before the
video was taken.
Good news, if "most sources" can be believed. "Most sources" is who,
exactly?
* The person who claimed to be Zarqawi was not afraid to clearly state his
identity, but he wore a mask and never showed his face.
This makes sense. Why would he want anyone to know what he looks like
now?
* Zarqawi had lost a leg in an earlier attack (before the one that killed
him) and had been known to wear a badly fitting prosthetic and have great
difficulty in moving around. The man who identified himself as Zarqawi
obviously had two fully natural, fully functional legs, as he had no
problem kneeling, crouching or bending down in the video.
So you think prosthetics are no longer available?
* Zarqawi spoke a dialect of Arabic that was distinctly Jordanian. A
growing number of experts who have heard the soundtrack to the tape have
claimed that the man who identified himself as Zarqawi not only did not
speak the Jordanian dialect, but seems not to have been a native speaker
of Arabic at all.
Good news again, if the "experts" are correct. Who are these
"experts", exactly?
* With two of the body's principle veins being in the neck and a heart
pounding in fear, there should have been great fountains of blood. The
tape showed almost none.
You are familiar with blood patterns from a severed head. Where did
you obtain this info? I saw a much blood as could be seen in the poor
resolution of the video.
* The jumpsuit that Berg was wearing was standard issue US military prison
garb.
And you can prove what prisoners wear? An further can assure us that
none of the terrorists could obtain any to clothe him?
If Berg had never been in US custody (as the US forces assert) or
had been in custody but latter released (as Berg's family has evidence to
believe), why was he wearing US military prison clothes? It is really
likely that his terrorist captors would have had one, even if they had
taken the time to get Berg to change clothes?
* Likewise the white plastic resin chair in which Berg is shown. We see
the same kind of chair in the Abu Ghirab photos,
but they would have been
next to impossible to find outside of US military controlled areas. How
did the terrorists come to have such a chair?
Probably Wal Mart. It looks like one of theirs.
Regards, Harold
----
"When you hear someone say that he doesn't trust the market, and
wants to replace it with government edicts, he's really calling
for a switch from a democratic process to a totalitarian one...
Tyrants always condemn and seek to replace the market process with
government coercion because tyrants do not trust that people
behaving voluntarily will do what the tyrants think they should do."
----- Walter Williams, July 2002
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15 May 2004 06:01:51 PM |
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<harold> wrote in message news:sk4da0pjihvgj3q5vic0od1knu715b82ou@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:37:58 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
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<sniped the head in the sand stuff>
Harold, are you reigious? Do you beleive GOD is on YOUR side?
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| User: "harold " |
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16 May 2004 08:49:08 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 00:01:51 +0100, "jacksback"
<jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote:
<harold> wrote in message news:sk4da0pjihvgj3q5vic0od1knu715b82ou@4ax.com...
On Fri, 14 May 2004 13:37:58 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
<sniped the head in the sand stuff>
Harold, are you reigious?
Assuming you were trying to type "religious," then, no, I am an
atheist.
Do you beleive GOD is on YOUR side?
No, I do not believe there is a God. Have you got a problem with
that?
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Running Dog)
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"...cultural relativism refuses to acknowledge the superiority of
the Western way. This refusal to admit the obvious stinks of the bad
faith of the rich man telling the bum that money doesn't matter. Most
critics of the West, after all, live in the material comfort and
political freedom of the West, and have no intention of demonstrating
with their actions their belief that all cultures are equal, that the
difference between Manhattan and Kabul is one merely of taste."
---Richard Thornton, Professor, Cal State Fresno,
Jan 31, 2002
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| User: "jacksback" |
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16 May 2004 09:19:09 PM |
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<harold> wrote in message news:5e6ga05s66pterj89esc7itl8firuliupo@4ax.com...
On Sun, 16 May 2004 00:01:51 +0100, "jacksback"
<jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote:
Assuming you were trying to type "religious," then, no, I am an
atheist.
See, I can't even spell the bloody word:)
I was just wondering WHY you feel it must definately be Muslims that carried
out the murder. And as for beheadings, I have put 3 links below of actual
live people being beheaded. You will see how the blood sprays from their
neck. The Nick Berg video failed to show this and I'm just a little curious
as to why?
:)
(BEWARE - THESE ARE REAL BEHEADINGS)
http://www.ogrish.com/view_attachment.php?id=19370
http://www.ogrish.com/view_attachment.php?id=19371
http://www.ogrish.com/view_attachment.php?id=19372
loads of blood in these 3 shots. None in the Nick Berg video:/?
Another thing someone noticed. The man doing the slicing is wearing a black
hood, yet, when he lifts the head free he is wearing a white one:?/
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| User: "Dennis Howdy" |
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14 May 2004 09:03:35 AM |
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In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
says...
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera—has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions........
Harry
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda. It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real. Think for
yourself.
-Dennis
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"Be suspicious of anybody who claims to know the truth."
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14 May 2004 11:23:49 AM |
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"Dennis" <Howdy Doody@doody.net> wrote in message
news:10a9kdr89rprnae@corp.supernews.com...
In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
rivrvu@ix.netcom.com
says...
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera-has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions........
Harry
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda.
Still waiting for you to tell a republican that. lol
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| User: "jacksback" |
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15 May 2004 09:53:16 AM |
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"Dennis" <Howdy Doody@doody.net> wrote in message
news:10a9kdr89rprnae@corp.supernews.com...
In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
rivrvu@ix.netcom.com
says...
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda. It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real. Think for
yourself.
Whislt Harry's encouraged to think for himself *who's* doing YOUR thinking?
Read my post about the 15 flaws in the video then you come and give me 15
dismissals.
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| User: "Z" |
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15 May 2004 11:43:40 AM |
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40a62ea9$1$20517$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
"Dennis" <Howdy Doody@doody.net> wrote in message
news:10a9kdr89rprnae@corp.supernews.com...
In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
rivrvu@ix.netcom.com
says...
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda. It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real. Think for
yourself.
Whislt Harry's encouraged to think for himself *who's* doing YOUR
thinking?
Read my post about the 15 flaws in the video then you come and give me 15
dismissals.
PARTIAL LIST OF MUSLIM TERRORIST ATROCITIES
1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds
injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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15 May 2004 02:05:58 PM |
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Outrages against the world part 2
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. Installs Shah as
Dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected President Arbenz of Guatemala.
200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assasination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in southeast Asia.
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected
President Salvador Allende assasinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet
installed. 5,000 Chilians murdered.
1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorians and
four American nuns killed.
1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds *contras.* 30,000 Nicaraguans
die.
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussain for weapons to kill
Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as presidentof Panama) disobeys
orders from Washington. U.S. Invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000
Panamanian Civilian casualties.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. Enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1998: Clinton bombs *weapons factory* in Sudan. Factory turns out to be
making asprin.
1991 - 2001: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates
500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in *aid.*
September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder
3,000 people.
It's a two way street if you know which way is forward......
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Outrages against the world part 2
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. Installs Shah
as
Dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected President Arbenz of
Guatemala.
200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assasination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in southeast Asia.
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected
President Salvador Allende assasinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet
installed. 5,000 Chilians murdered.
1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorians and
four American nuns killed.
1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets.
CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds *contras.* 30,000
Nicaraguans
die.
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussain for weapons to kill
Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as presidentof Panama)
disobeys
orders from Washington. U.S. Invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000
Panamanian Civilian casualties.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. Enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1998: Clinton bombs *weapons factory* in Sudan. Factory turns out to be
making asprin.
1991 - 2001: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates
500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in *aid.*
September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder
3,000 people.
It's a two way street if you know which way is forward......
Here's some more for the ignorant right-wing *****:
US involvement in Foreign assassinations or attempts since 1960
(in spite of 1976 U.S. presidential decree outlawing same)
1960 - General Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo
1961 - General Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba , numerous attempts
1960s - Raul Castro, brother of Fidel.
1965 - Francisco Caamano, Opposition leader, Dominican Republic
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Ernesto Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander of Chilean Army
1970s, 81 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-86 - Moammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, numerous attempts
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeine, leader of Iran
1983 - General Ahmed Dlimi, Army commander of Morocco
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - All nine leaders of the Nicaraguan National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanon Shiite leader
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998 - Osama bin Laden, former US supported "freedom fighter".
1999 - Slobodan Mlosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2001 - Osama bin Laden, al Qaida leader
2001 - Mullah Omar, religious leader of Taliban
2003 - Saddam Hussein and Family, Leader of Iraq
2004 - Muqtada al-Sadr, Iraqi Muslim cleric
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"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each
other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." - G. Dumbya
Boosh - Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
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"MysticRythyms" <BushSucks@fascist.pig.gov> wrote in message
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Outrages against the world part 2
1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran. U.S. Installs
Shah
as
Dictator.
1954: U.S. overthrows democratically elected President Arbenz of
Guatemala.
200,000 civilians killed.
1963: U.S. backs assasination of South Vietnamese President Diem.
1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in southeast Asia.
September 11, 1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically elected
President Salvador Allende assasinated. Dictator Augusto Pinochet
installed. 5,000 Chilians murdered.
1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvador. 70,000 Salvadorians and
four American nuns killed.
1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill
Soviets.
CIA gives them $3 billion.
1981: Reagan administration trains and funds *contras.* 30,000
Nicaraguans
die.
1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussain for weapons to
kill
Iranians.
1983: White House secretly gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.
1989: CIA agent Manuel Noriega (also serving as presidentof Panama)
disobeys
orders from Washington. U.S. Invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000
Panamanian Civilian casualties.
1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.
1991: U.S. Enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.
1998: Clinton bombs *weapons factory* in Sudan. Factory turns out to be
making asprin.
1991 - 2001: American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis. U.N. estimates
500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.
2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in *aid.*
September 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to
murder
3,000 people.
It's a two way street if you know which way is forward......
Here's some more for the ignorant right-wing *****:
US involvement in Foreign assassinations or attempts since 1960
(in spite of 1976 U.S. presidential decree outlawing same)
1960 - General Abdul Karim Kassem, leader of Iraq
1961 - Francois Duvalier, leader of Haiti
1961 - Patrice Lumumba, Prime Minister of the Congo
1961 - General Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic
1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam
1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba , numerous attempts
1960s - Raul Castro, brother of Fidel.
1965 - Francisco Caamano, Opposition leader, Dominican Republic
1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France
1967 - Ernesto Che Guevara, Cuban leader
1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile
1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander of Chilean Army
1970s, 81 - General Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama
1972 - General Manuel Noriega, chief of Panama Intelligence
1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire
1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica
1980-86 - Moammar Qaddafi, leader of Libya, numerous attempts
1982 - Ayatollah Khomeine, leader of Iran
1983 - General Ahmed Dlimi, Army commander of Morocco
1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua
1984 - All nine leaders of the Nicaraguan National Directorate
1985 - Sheikh Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah, Lebanon Shiite leader
1991 - Saddam Hussein, leader of Iraq
1998 - Osama bin Laden, former US supported "freedom fighter".
1999 - Slobodan Mlosevic, President of Yugoslavia
2001 - Osama bin Laden, al Qaida leader
2001 - Mullah Omar, religious leader of Taliban
2003 - Saddam Hussein and Family, Leader of Iraq
2004 - Muqtada al-Sadr, Iraqi Muslim cleric
--
"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each
other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." - G.
Dumbya
Boosh - Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
Thanks for the the list!
I doubt he'll be coming back to argue his point anymore. Silence on the
subject is what I feel the ignoramus will attempt now......
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14 May 2004 04:12:33 PM |
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Dennis <Howdy Doody@doody.net> wrote in message news:<10a9kdr89rprnae@corp.supernews.com>...
In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
says...
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera?has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions........
Harry
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda. It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real.
Think for yourself.
-Dennis
So says Dennis as he parrots the party line.
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15 May 2004 04:58:29 PM |
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On 14 May 2004 14:12:33 -0700, (Tempest)
wrote:
[deleted]
It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real.
So says Dennis as he parrots the party line.
So, you are asserting that the US sanctioned the beheading of Berg?
If so, I feel sorry for you. Living with that much hate is why you
call yourself "Tempest", no doubt.
Regards, Harold
----
"When you hear someone say that he doesn't trust the market, and
wants to replace it with government edicts, he's really calling
for a switch from a democratic process to a totalitarian one...
Tyrants always condemn and seek to replace the market process with
government coercion because tyrants do not trust that people
behaving voluntarily will do what the tyrants think they should do."
----- Walter Williams, July 2002
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15 May 2004 05:04:36 PM |
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harold wrote:
On 14 May 2004 14:12:33 -0700, (Tempest)
wrote:
[deleted]
It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real.
So says Dennis as he parrots the party line.
So, you are asserting that the US sanctioned the beheading of Berg?
If so, I feel sorry for you. Living with that much hate is why you
call yourself "Tempest", no doubt.
Considering you are as dumb as Bush, you probably don't have a clue
about what the controversy is all about.
No one missed you when you left, you're free to go away again.
--
"The true axis of evil in America is the brilliance of our marketing
combined with the stupidity of our people."
- Bill Maher
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16 May 2004 08:47:26 PM |
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On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:04:36 GMT, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
harold wrote:
[deleted]
If so, I feel sorry for you. Living with that much hate is why you
call yourself "Tempest", no doubt.
Considering you are as dumb as Bush,
As dumb as the guy who keeps beating up the Dims? Maybe.
you probably don't have a clue
about what the controversy is all about.
Absolutely no doubt.
No one missed you when you left, you're free to go away again.
Thanks you. Your suggestions make me think I have been effective.
You really must control that hate.
Regards, Harold (Capitalist Running Dog)
-----
"...cultural relativism refuses to acknowledge the superiority of
the Western way. This refusal to admit the obvious stinks of the bad
faith of the rich man telling the bum that money doesn't matter. Most
critics of the West, after all, live in the material comfort and
political freedom of the West, and have no intention of demonstrating
with their actions their belief that all cultures are equal, that the
difference between Manhattan and Kabul is one merely of taste."
---Richard Thornton, Professor, Cal State Fresno,
Jan 31, 2002
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19 May 2004 06:34:05 AM |
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harold <> wrote in message news:<ba6ga01o4amjor8s21r14rt6dnir3ove8s@4ax.com>...
On Sat, 15 May 2004 22:04:36 GMT, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
harold wrote:
[deleted]
If so, I feel sorry for you. Living with that much hate is why you
call yourself "Tempest", no doubt.
Considering you are as dumb as Bush,
As dumb as the guy who keeps beating up the Dims? Maybe.
you probably don't have a clue
about what the controversy is all about.
Absolutely no doubt.
No one missed you when you left, you're free to go away again.
Thanks you. Your suggestions make me think I have been effective.
You really must control that hate.
When your own hate doesn't work, accuse the one you're "debating" of
hate. Nice try. But thanks for playing!
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| User: "ddd" |
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14 May 2004 11:58:21 AM |
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Only quoting from sources without an agenda will leave us devoid of
any quotes.
By your reckoning it is beyond comprehension that anyone would dare
even contemplate shooting the President, i.e. Kennedy.
Get real! A rogue element in special operations might carry out
something like this to gain favour.
In the 70s the current British foreign secretary, Jack Straw, who was
then a Student leader, was monitored by British Intelligence as a
possible subversive; some parts of Intelligence even thought the Prime
Minister, Harold Wilson, was a Soviet agent! There are some serious
wackos out there operating in the name of democracy.
On Fri, 14 May 2004 09:03:35 -0500, Dennis <Howdy Doody@doody.net>
wrote:
In article <cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com>,
says...
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera—has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions........
Harry
Harry, stop quoting sources with a political agenda. It is beyond
common sense that Berg was killed by those subhuman terrorists.
No, it wasn't sanctioned by the US. Please get real. Think for
yourself.
-Dennis
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14 May 2004 08:50:00 AM |
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The usual response is
1 - the Jew did it
2 - Bush did it
now it is the CIA did it.
Blame anyone except the real Muslim Terrorist murderers.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:cpi9a0d5oqavjoj684auobmduoqgeuc5nr@4ax.com...
http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_7686.shtml
The terrible and strange death of Nick Berg
By James Conachy
May 14, 2004
The terrible death of Nick Berg in Iraq--beheaded in front of a video
camera-has taken place in such strange and suspicious circumstances
that it raises deeply troubling questions.
Among them is whether American agencies had a direct or indirect hand
in the young man's murder.
Questions immediately arise from the timing and political consequences
of his killing.
At the height of a massive scandal engulfing the Bush administration,
Berg's death has been exploited by the American government and the US
media to launch a counter-offensive against the revelations of
systematic US torture in Abu Ghraib and other Iraqi prisons.
A wholesale attempt is being made to shift American and international
public opinion away from the outrage over the criminal character of
the US occupation of Iraq and behind the self-serving argument that
American forces are needed in Iraq to prevent the country descending
into barbarism and chaos.
Were Berg's murderers being directly paid by the American government,
they could not have performed a more timely service for the Bush White
House.
Berg's killing was carried out in the name of al-Qaeda-aligned
Jordanian terrorist Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi.
Whoever is operating in the name of Zarqawi, they have a proven record
of provocative actions that have only helped to prop up the American
occupation of Iraq.
On February 9, amid signs that the majority Iraqi Shiite population
was on the verge of joining the armed resistance being fought mainly
in Sunni Muslim areas, a letter, allegedly authored by Zarqawi, called
for Sunnis to provoke a civil war with the Shiites.
American officials used the letter to argue that their occupation was
the only thing holding Iraq's religious groups apart.
Several weeks later, on March 2, suicide bombings at Shiite mosques in
Karbala and Baghdad were blamed on what the US now calls the "Zarqawi
network."
Contrary to the schema outlined by US officials and in Zarqawi's
letter, the bulk of the Iraqi masses spurned sectarianism.
The growing unity has been on display in mass demonstrations and joint
struggle since the eruption of a Shiite uprising in early April.
Even before the torture revelations, the US occupation of Iraq had
crumbled into a morass of bloody reprisals against the Iraqi people
and growing American casualties.
Opposition has been steadily growing in the US and internationally.
The group who carried out the beheading of Berg and then ensured it
was broadcast around the globe must have known that it would horrify
American and world public opinion and assist the efforts at damage
control in Washington.
Further questions are raised by the attempts of the US government to
conceal or distort what it knew about Berg himself and the events
leading up to his disappearance in Baghdad on April 10.
Berg vanished in Iraq just 72 hours after being released from 13 days
in US military custody and questioning by the FBI.
Berg has been described by his family and friends as adventurous.
He had a limited knowledge of Arabic and an interest in obtaining
reconstruction contracts in Iraq for the family telecommunications
company, Prometheus Methods Tower Service.
In December 2003 he travelled to Iraq and went home on February 1.
Among the places the young man inquired for contract work was the Abu
Ghraib prison--which he referred to as a "notorious prison for army
and political prisoners."
He returned to Iraq in mid-March.
CBS News revealed yesterday that the young man had been on the FBI's
books for at least two years.
In 2002, he was interviewed as part of the investigations in the
September 11 terror attacks, over the fact his computer password had
been used by alleged al-Qaeda terrorist Zaccarias Moussaoui.
According to Berg's family, the FBI was reportedly satisfied the
password was obtained during a brief encounter on a bus, when Nick
Berg had allowed Moussaoui to use his computer.
On March 7, the pro-Bush website FreeRepublic.com published a list of
"enemies" who were opposing the US occupation of Iraq.
Among the names, taken from a public list of people who had endorsed a
planned March 20 antiwar demonstration on the website of the group
ANSWER, was Michael Berg--Nick's father--and the name of the Berg
family company.
Such information would be entered into the databases of US
intelligence agencies as well.
Berg was seized on March 24, within one week of returning to Iraq, and
held incommunicado without charges in a Mosul prison for unspecified
"suspicious activities."
His parents in Philadelphia were visited by the FBI on March 31 and
asked why their son was in Iraq.
Berg reported being interviewed at least three times during his
detention by FBI agents and asked whether he had constructed pipe
bombs or had visited Iran.
He was released on April 6 only after his family filed a federal court
case against the US government the day before for illegal
imprisonment.
Dan Senor, the Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman in Iraq,
claimed this week that Berg had never been detained by US forces, only
by Iraqis.
This has been exposed to be a lie. Berg's family has produced an email
from Beth A Payne, a US consular official in Iraq, dated April 1.
Payne wrote:
"I have confirmed that your son, Nick, is being detained by the US
military in Mosul... He was picked up approximately one week ago."
The chief of the Iraqi police in Mosul has also publicly rejected the
claim that Berg was detained by his command.
He told a press conference on May 13:
"The Iraqi police never arrested the slain American. Take it from
me... that such reports are baseless."
After his release, Nick Berg travelled to Baghdad.
His family last heard from him on April 9, when he reported he was
looking to leave Iraq via Kuwait as soon as it was safe enough.
They have indicated Berg told them he was wary of trying to fly out to
Jordan on the grounds it was too dangerous.
At the time, much of Baghdad was in engulfed in heavy fighting.
Large parts of the city, including the roadways leading to the
airport, were under constant attack by the Iraqi resistance and
Westerners and Japanese had been taken hostage by various groups.
The last alleged contact with Berg by a US official was on April 10.
A State department spokesperson told CBS an American diplomat offered
to arrange a flight for him to Jordan.
He allegedly refused and restated his intention to travel to Kuwait.
His hotel has reported he left early on April 10, saying he intended
to be back within a few days.
If the American government is to be believed, no US agency then took
any further interest in his activities or well-being until it was
apparent he had disappeared.
No satisfying answers have been given to obvious questions.
Were Berg's movements in Iraq being monitored by American
intelligence?
Why was he detained and on whose orders?
Was he under surveillance after he was released on April 6?
If he was, how did he come to be kidnapped in the centre of Baghdad?
Throughout this week, Berg's father Michael has repeatedly denounced
the Bush administration for complicity in his son's death.
He told Boston radio station WBUR on Tuesday:
"[W]hat cost my son his life was the fact the US government saw fit to
keep him in custody for 13 days without any of due process or civil
rights and released him when they were good and ready. It goes further
than Donald Rumsfeld. It's the whole Patriot Act, it's the whole
feeling in this country that rights don't matter any more because
there are terrorists about. Well in my opinion 'terrorist' is just
another word like 'communist' or 'witch' and it's a witchhunt and this
whole administration is just representing something that is not
America."
Yesterday, he told Philadelphia radio:
"My son died for the sins of George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. This
administration did this."
He has also demanded to know whether "it is true that al-Qaeda offered
to trade my son's life for another person," as is alleged in the
video-tape statement of Nick Berg's killers.
The issues being raised by Michael Berg point to the fact, that at
best, the US authorities created the conditions in which his son could
be kidnapped by extremists and killed.
The more disturbing possibility that arises from all the evidence that
is known is that Berg's disappearance and subsequent killing was the
work of US agencies or pro-US Iraqi factions.
One month after he disappeared, Berg was murdered at the most
opportune moment for the US government.
Anyone who believes it is unthinkable or outrageous to suggest that
the American government would sanction having one of its citizens
murdered to shore up its fortunes is underestimating the political
situation.
The Bush administration and elements of the American military
hierarchy, media and corporate establishment are indictable war
criminals.
They ordered, directed, propagated or have profited from a criminal
war, in flagrant violation of international law.
The year since the US-led invasion of Iraq has been marked by further
war crimes and atrocities.
For significant sections of the American ruling class, everything
depends upon preventing opposition to the occupation of Iraq within
the American and international working class from developing into a
conscious movement for political and social change.
To them, the life of 26-year-old Nick Berg would have meant nothing.
________________________________________________________
Harry
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14 May 2004 12:28:58 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:10a9ji2svveab58@corp.supernews.com...
The usual response is
1 - the Jew did it
2 - Bush did it
now it is the CIA did it.
Blame anyone except the real Muslim Terrorist murderers.
And *your*conclusive proof is where?
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| User: "Z" |
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14 May 2004 05:38:21 PM |
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:10a9ji2svveab58@corp.supernews.com...
The usual response is
1 - the Jew did it
2 - Bush did it
now it is the CIA did it.
Blame anyone except the real Muslim Terrorist murderers.
And *your*conclusive proof is where?
That is what the media is inferring.
His father says it it the fault of Bush & Rumsfield.
I say it was the Muslim Terrorists as shown in the video.
His father is anti-war & a Bush basher.
They always blame someone else for their problems.
Z
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14 May 2004 10:15:46 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message news:<10aaih5oi81ms7a@corp.supernews.com>...
"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40a50202$0$25325$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:10a9ji2svveab58@corp.supernews.com...
The usual response is
1 - the Jew did it
2 - Bush did it
now it is the CIA did it.
Blame anyone except the real Muslim Terrorist murderers.
And *your*conclusive proof is where?
That is what the media is inferring.
His father says it it the fault of Bush & Rumsfield.
I say it was the Muslim Terrorists as shown in the video.
How do you know those in the video were Muslims? or even Arab/Persian?
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| User: "jacksback" |
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15 May 2004 09:51:27 AM |
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"Tony" <yoder@perigee.net> wrote in message
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How do you know those in the video were Muslims? or even Arab/Persian?
I didn't. I'm with *you* on this:)
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15 May 2004 11:43:04 AM |
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"Tony" <yoder@perigee.net> wrote in message
news:68ff3e85.0405141915.613a4961@posting.google.com...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:<10aaih5oi81ms7a@corp.supernews.com>...
"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:40a50202$0$25325$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
news:10a9ji2svveab58@corp.supernews.com...
The usual response is
1 - the Jew did it
2 - Bush did it
now it is the CIA did it.
Blame anyone except the real Muslim Terrorist murderers.
And *your*conclusive proof is where?
That is what the media is inferring.
His father says it it the fault of Bush & Rumsfield.
I say it was the Muslim Terrorists as shown in the video.
How do you know those in the video were Muslims? or even Arab/Persian?
That is their mode of operation. Murder an innocent helpless person....
like Daniel Pearl.
PARTIAL LIST OF MUSLIM TERRORIST ATROCITIES
1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated
1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)
1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976
1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days
1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979
1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981
1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982
1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983
1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983
1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984
1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985
1985 Rome Airport murders
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq
1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered
1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988
1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992
1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993
1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds
injured, Billions
1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994
1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995
1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995
1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995
1996 Khobar Towers attack
1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996
1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996
1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997
1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997
1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998
1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered
2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured
2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered
2001 Flight 93 murders
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait
2002 Washington D.C. sniper
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured
2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured.
2003 Rusian concert bombing
2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing
2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA
2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing
on and on and on and on
* http://www.mathematik.net/homepage/islam/islam.htm
* Translated: http://tinyurl.com/2ooqh
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15 May 2004 07:24:58 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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Never really come back and respond to comments do you Z. Probably because
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15 May 2004 09:13:32 PM |
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"jacksback" <jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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Z
Never really come back and respond to comments do you Z. Probably because
you have nothing much of interest to say.....
Well if anyone has anything to say except more lies, blame it on the Jews,
blame it on Bush, or profanity I might.
The Liberal/Leftist seem to be all full of HATE, LIES, & profanity. No real
substance.
Z
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15 May 2004 09:28:18 PM |
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"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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you make a point of highlighting the Muslim attrocities and expect people to
listen. When I highlight American attrocities you go silent on the
subject:(
America - you want to be taken seriously? Then start taking the rest of us
seriuously......
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18 May 2004 06:06:11 PM |
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On Sun, 16 May 2004 03:28:18 +0100, "jacksback"
<jacksback@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Z" <Z@FreeDamn.net> wrote in message
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you make a point of highlighting the Muslim attrocities and expect people to
listen. When I highlight American attrocities you go silent on the
subject:(
Well, part of your problem is that Muslim atrocities are quite
extreme, like chopping off heads, dropping people in the ocean, etc.
America - you want to be taken seriously? Then start taking the rest of us
seriuously......
You are in the UK. I guess we take Blair seriously. Do you not think
do?
Regards, Harold
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"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us."
-----Golda Meir
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