The truth about the Tet offensive



 Politics > Politics-USA > The truth about the Tet offensive

LINK TO THIS PAGE  


rating :  0   |  0


  Page 1 of 1

1

 
Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "marlowe"
Date: 19 Oct 2006 11:10:29 AM
Object: The truth about the Tet offensive
Well, Tet is in the news again now, since Bush gave that interview.
You've seen plenty of spin on this one, and you'll see plenty more. So
let me point you to (
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1978/nov-dec/bishop.html
) some scholarly counter-spin, courtesy of Peter Braestrup .
Excerpts:
The Tet offensive of 1968 must surely be regarded as one of history's
chameleon campaigns. When the North Vietnamese and Vietcong troops
assaulted targets throughout the Republic of Vietnam at the end of
January 1968, they expected to trigger an uprising of the South
Vietnamese people against their government. Despite some spectacular
early successes, the attacks failed. The South Vietnamese did not
embrace the cause; thousands of sappers, assault troops, and cadres met
their deaths before overwhelming allied counterattacks; and the
insurgent infrastructure was so decimated at the end of the fighting
that no large enemy offensives could be mounted for four years...
Misconception: The offensive was a victory for Hanoi. The press corps,
it is now clear, was stunned by the initial Tet attacks, many of which
occurred in Saigon. When the allies met some initial reverses, the
press reacted by emphasizing the enemy's successes. As the weeks wore
on and military intelligence clearly indicated defeat for the
insurgents, the press still interpreted the offensive as a
"psychological victory" for the Vietcong/ North Vietnamese Army, who
"held the initiative," "decide who lives and who dies... which planes
land and which ones don't," who were unconcerned with losses, and could
"take and hold any area they chose." There was little objective
analysis of the many enemy failures or of the severe toll that allied
counterblows exacted from the enemy...
Misconception: The characteristic American response was to destroy city
districts and villages with overwhelming, indiscriminate firepower...
Some reports from Saigon indicated the city was a giant scarred
battleground; from the air, however, reporters could see that 95
percent of the city was relatively unharmed...
The effects of these errors of fact and interpretation in the United
States were pronounced. The impact appeared less in opinion polls than
in the minds of Washington policy-makers. Because the press had ignored
earlier cautions expressed by military leaders, the public was "jolted
into gloom and foreboding," and a "credibility gap" emerged. In
Congress and the bureaucracy, criticism became vocal, reflecting the
"disaster" themes portrayed in the press and on TV. The embattled
President announced the bombing halt and withdrew from the Presidential
campaign.
How could the press err so greatly in its Tet coverage with such impact
on the nation? There is no simple answer to the question. Braestrup
dismisses the idea that newsmen as a group were ideologically opposed
to the war. Rather, the Tet coverage represents the institutional
defects or flaws in the gathering, interpretation, and dissemination of
news in Vietnam and the United States at the time of the offensive...
SUMMING up the impact of the press, Braestrup argues that the Tet
reporting was an extreme case of crisis-journalism. The result was a
"portrait of defeat" for the allies because "the special circumstances
of Tet impacted to a rare degree on modern American journalism's
special susceptibilities and limitations." Braestrup's final chapter is
a discussion of how the susceptibilities and limitations are unchanged,
with a warning that a similar crisis could repeat the errors of Tet.
I say:
The mainstream media are no more reliable now than they were then. If
anything, they've gotten worse. But here's two things that have
changed since then: people are less liable to believe what they see on
the evening news, and people have alternatives on the Web.
Also, Bush is no Lyndon Johnson. Johnson was a classic bully type who
backed down in the end. He jabbed his finger in faces, he blustered,
he bluffed, and when Cronkite turned on him, he caved. Bill Clinton is
much the same in the clinch, including the finger jabbing. (We saw
that when he ( http://newsbusters.org/node/7841 ) got Queeged on Fox
..) Bush has a very different style, and he doesn't cave to his
critics.
I see every modern war as Groundhog Day. We'll keep fighting the (
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/58.htm ) Korean War
over and over again, at different times and in different places, until
we get it right. The key to getting it right? Following through. I
think our current president has the stomach to follow through. I can't
say the same for most of his critics.
And no talk about trying to prevent a larger war. It can't be done, at
least not via containment, diplomacy and "police actions." The next
world war has been pending for about 60 years now. Every world war is
the unfinished business of the one before it. The sooner you deal with
it, the less nasty it will be. The more you try to avoid it, the worse
it is when it comes. Neville Chamberlain never grasped that. Truman
came close to grasping it, but he couldn't bring himself to make that
final leap of logic. MacArthur feared it, and dreamed of banning war,
but then he came to his senses.
The coming world war has been delayed far too long. Consequently, it
will be very, very bad when it comes. It will probably be nuclear.
Pacifism won't prevent it. Diplomacy won't prevent it. Containment
and limited war alone won't prevent it. Our best bet for avoiding
world war is to cut off aid and trade to the anti-democratic regimes of
the world, and let them implode. That's how we won the Cold War -
barely. We can greatly improve the chances if we just follow through
on whatever Groundhog Day wars arise. It might work, it might not.
But nothing else has a chance.
And whatever happens, we can't count on mainstream news to watch our
backs.
( http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/politics.world.html#20061019 )
Angelfire link (turn off Javascript to avoid popups)
(
http://fnmarlowe-politics-world.blogspot.com/2006/10/truth-about-tet-offensive.html
) Comment at blogger.com
(
http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/what-we-need-prescription-for-our.html
) What We Need - a prescription for our times
(
http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/where-i-stand-proverbs-and-axioms-for.html
) Where I Stand - Proverbs and axioms for the real world
( http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/dictionary.html ) the Marlowe
Dictionary
.

User: "Ulysses at Langdale Tarn"

Title: Re: The truth about the Tet offensive 19 Oct 2006 08:27:45 PM
marlowe wrote:

Well, Tet is in the news again now, since Bush gave that interview.
You've seen plenty of spin on this one, and you'll see plenty more. So
let me point you to (
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1978/nov-dec/bi=

shop.html

) some scholarly counter-spin, courtesy of Peter Braestrup .

Excerpts:

The Tet offensive of 1968 must surely be regarded as one of history's
chameleon campaigns. When the North Vietnamese and Vietcong troops
assaulted targets throughout the Republic of Vietnam at the end of
January 1968, they expected to trigger an uprising of the South
Vietnamese people against their government. Despite some spectacular
early successes, the attacks failed. The South Vietnamese did not
embrace the cause; thousands of sappers, assault troops, and cadres met
their deaths before overwhelming allied counterattacks; and the
insurgent infrastructure was so decimated at the end of the fighting
that no large enemy offensives could be mounted for four years...

Misconception: The offensive was a victory for Hanoi. The press corps,
it is now clear, was stunned by the initial Tet attacks, many of which
occurred in Saigon. When the allies met some initial reverses, the
press reacted by emphasizing the enemy's successes. As the weeks wore
on and military intelligence clearly indicated defeat for the
insurgents, the press still interpreted the offensive as a
"psychological victory" for the Vietcong/ North Vietnamese Army, who
"held the initiative," "decide who lives and who dies... which planes
land and which ones don't," who were unconcerned with losses, and could
"take and hold any area they chose." There was little objective
analysis of the many enemy failures or of the severe toll that allied
counterblows exacted from the enemy...

Misconception: The characteristic American response was to destroy city
districts and villages with overwhelming, indiscriminate firepower...
Some reports from Saigon indicated the city was a giant scarred
battleground; from the air, however, reporters could see that 95
percent of the city was relatively unharmed...

The effects of these errors of fact and interpretation in the United
States were pronounced. The impact appeared less in opinion polls than
in the minds of Washington policy-makers. Because the press had ignored
earlier cautions expressed by military leaders, the public was "jolted
into gloom and foreboding," and a "credibility gap" emerged. In
Congress and the bureaucracy, criticism became vocal, reflecting the
"disaster" themes portrayed in the press and on TV. The embattled
President announced the bombing halt and withdrew from the Presidential
campaign.

How could the press err so greatly in its Tet coverage with such impact
on the nation? There is no simple answer to the question. Braestrup
dismisses the idea that newsmen as a group were ideologically opposed
to the war. Rather, the Tet coverage represents the institutional
defects or flaws in the gathering, interpretation, and dissemination of
news in Vietnam and the United States at the time of the offensive...

SUMMING up the impact of the press, Braestrup argues that the Tet
reporting was an extreme case of crisis-journalism. The result was a
"portrait of defeat" for the allies because "the special circumstances
of Tet impacted to a rare degree on modern American journalism's
special susceptibilities and limitations." Braestrup's final chapter is
a discussion of how the susceptibilities and limitations are unchanged,
with a warning that a similar crisis could repeat the errors of Tet.

I say:

The mainstream media are no more reliable now than they were then. If
anything, they've gotten worse. But here's two things that have
changed since then: people are less liable to believe what they see on
the evening news, and people have alternatives on the Web.

Also, Bush is no Lyndon Johnson. Johnson was a classic bully type who
backed down in the end. He jabbed his finger in faces, he blustered,
he bluffed, and when Cronkite turned on him, he caved. Bill Clinton is
much the same in the clinch, including the finger jabbing. (We saw
that when he ( http://newsbusters.org/node/7841 ) got Queeged on Fox
.) Bush has a very different style, and he doesn't cave to his
critics.

I see every modern war as Groundhog Day. We'll keep fighting the (
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/58.htm ) Korean War
over and over again, at different times and in different places, until
we get it right. The key to getting it right? Following through. I
think our current president has the stomach to follow through. I can't
say the same for most of his critics.

And no talk about trying to prevent a larger war. It can't be done, at
least not via containment, diplomacy and "police actions." The next
world war has been pending for about 60 years now. Every world war is
the unfinished business of the one before it. The sooner you deal with
it, the less nasty it will be. The more you try to avoid it, the worse
it is when it comes. Neville Chamberlain never grasped that. Truman
came close to grasping it, but he couldn't bring himself to make that
final leap of logic. MacArthur feared it, and dreamed of banning war,
but then he came to his senses.

The coming world war has been delayed far too long. Consequently, it
will be very, very bad when it comes. It will probably be nuclear.
Pacifism won't prevent it. Diplomacy won't prevent it. Containment
and limited war alone won't prevent it. Our best bet for avoiding
world war is to cut off aid and trade to the anti-democratic regimes of
the world, and let them implode. That's how we won the Cold War -
barely. We can greatly improve the chances if we just follow through
on whatever Groundhog Day wars arise. It might work, it might not.
But nothing else has a chance.

And whatever happens, we can't count on mainstream news to watch our
backs.


( http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/politics.world.html#20061019 )
Angelfire link (turn off Javascript to avoid popups)

(
http://fnmarlowe-politics-world.blogspot.com/2006/10/truth-about-tet-offe=

nsive.html

) Comment at blogger.com

(
http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/what-we-need-prescription-for-=

our.html

) What We Need - a prescription for our times

(
http://marlowe-essays.blogspot.com/2005/01/where-i-stand-proverbs-and-axi=

oms-for.html

) Where I Stand - Proverbs and axioms for the real world

( http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/dictionary.html ) the Marlowe
Dictionary

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Marlowe,
Cheers for a first rate commentary on 1968 TET One and the next "World
War."
You say that Bush either brought up the subject of TET 1 or it was
presented in a question put to him. I don't see any connection between
Iraq in Oct '06 and TET 1. I don't think the Sunnis and Shia base any
of their
actions on domestic American politics. This constant, repetitive
referral to
the Viet Nam chronicle shows how egocentric Americans are. The current
movie about Queen Esther tells me more about what is happening in Iraq
than
a thousand allusions to Indochina.
Even the last Balkan War is not very helpful in the study of Iraq. I
think the wars
in Germany between Catholics and Protestants from 16th to 18th C would
actually
be more helpful, because the Shia are really more like Catholics than
most people
can imagine. I notice that in Houston, foreign Muslims often send
their girls to
Catholic schools because head coverings are not questioned and many
Biblical
stories and personalities are also found in the Quran.
As for the next "world war, " I see it as happening entirely in the
Middle East.
I think Europe wants to stay OUT of the Middle East because they don't
want to
make enemies out of countries that may soon have atomic weapons. The
US
likes to get involved in Islam because Americans do not want the terror
cultures of
Iraq and Afghanistan to get a start in North America. Saddam, Ossama,
and the
Taliban r=E9gime all flourished in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Cheers, David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
.


  Page 1 of 1

1

 


Related Articles
 

NEWER

pg.3585     pg.2749     pg.2106     pg.1612     pg.1232     pg.940     pg.716     pg.544     pg.412     pg.311     pg.234     pg.175     pg.130     pg.96     pg.70     pg.50     pg.35     pg.24     pg.16     pg.10     pg.6     pg.3     pg.1

OLDER