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"Ubiquitous" |
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30 Nov 2006 06:25:07 AM |
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They Call This 'Projection' |
Garry Trudeau, who draws the Doonesbury comic strip, is an excellent
representative of baby-boomer liberalism. In a series of strips last
week, he addressed the Kerry/Rangel attitude toward the military--only he
imagines it is conservatives who hold this attitude. This is the dialogue
from Monday's strip:
Hippie college professor: You know, B.D., I'm a pacifist. I don't think
anyone should join the military. But you should hear the fine young
patriots taking my ethics class. War-supporters all, but quick to explain
why they're not enlisting!
Conservative-looking student: "And I truly believe that I can better
serve my country at a hedge fund."
Another student (not shown): Hear, hear!
Then Tuesday's:
Conservative-looking student: Look, Dr. Sloan, all I'm saying is that
it'd be a waste to send the best and brightest to Iraq. The military is
for volunteers, you know, people with limited options in life who don't
have a future or whatever. Although I support them, of course.
Another student (not shown): Me too! Totally!
B.D.: This is an ethics class?
Hippie college professor: In its final week. I'm beyond despair.
And Wednesday's:
Hippie college professor: This past week, we've been discussing the
disconnect between supporting the war but being unwilling to serve.
Today's guest would like to speak to that. You all know coach B.D. But
what you may not know is that he volunteered for three of our nation's
conflicts!
Student (not shown): Is that right, coach? You volunteered for three
wars?
B.D.: Yes.
Student (not shown): No offense, but isn't that, like, retarded?
B.D.: Offense taken.
Now, we'll admit we don't spend that much time on campus, and we suppose
it's possible that pro-war students talk exactly like Charles Rangel or
John Kerry. But we are skeptical.
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"You know, education--if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do
your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you can do well.
If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq." JFK
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
02 Dec 2006 10:33:35 AM |
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Ubiquitous wrote:
Garry Trudeau, who draws the Doonesbury comic strip, is an excellent
representative of baby-boomer liberalism. In a series of strips last
week, he addressed the Kerry/Rangel attitude toward the military--only he
imagines it is conservatives who hold this attitude.
'"How's your boy?" Webb, in an interview Wednesday, recalled Bush
asking during the reception two weeks ago.
"I told him I'd like to get him out of Iraq," Webb said.
"That's not what I asked. How's your boy?" the president replied,
according to Webb.
To sum up:
Son of Democratic Senator Jim Webb, Vietnam vet, leading critic of the
Iraq war: Lance Corporal in Iraq.
Daughters of President George Bush, parttime Texas National Guard
pilot, self-proclaimed "decider" of the Iraq war and "war president":
requested to leave Argentina by embassy officials due to tabloid
scandals.
You were saying?
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| User: "Kirk" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
02 Dec 2006 10:44:57 PM |
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"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
To sum up:
Son of Democratic Senator Jim Webb, Vietnam vet, leading critic of the
Iraq war: Lance Corporal in Iraq.
I'm not really sure what your point is. For all we know (it's not
mentioned, here) Webb's son might support the war. For you to mention him
in an anti-war post is a bit assuming.
Daughters of President George Bush
What is it with you and the Bush daughters?
-- Kirk
"The length of one's days matters less
than the love of one's family and friends."
-- Gerald Ford
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
05 Dec 2006 03:29:18 PM |
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Kirk wrote:
"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
To sum up:
Son of Democratic Senator Jim Webb, Vietnam vet, leading critic of the
Iraq war: Lance Corporal in Iraq.
I'm not really sure what your point is. For all we know (it's not
mentioned, here) Webb's son might support the war. For you to mention him
in an anti-war post is a bit assuming.
Not antiwar post; anti-chickenhawk reply to pro-chickenhawk post.
You've been in the military so you get the coveted Z Stamp of Approval
for Earning the Right to Have a ProWar Opinion.
Daughters of President George Bush
What is it with you and the Bush daughters?
Bush says about dead American soldiers: "They did not yearn to be
heroes. They yearned to see mom and dad again and to hold their
sweethearts and to watch their sons and daughters grow. They wanted the
daily miracle of freedom in America, yet they gave all that up and gave
life itself for the sake of others." Presumably his kids don't feel as
strongly, and that's OK with him. What a poopie-head.
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| User: "Kirk" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
06 Dec 2006 11:47:31 AM |
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"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
Not antiwar post; anti-chickenhawk reply to pro-chickenhawk post.
You've been in the military so you get the coveted Z Stamp of Approval
for Earning the Right to Have a ProWar Opinion.
Well, thanks for the Stamp! (Amazing, how much mileage I've gotten from my
one term in the military. I highly recommend everyone serve, just so they
can say spout off about it on usenet.)
Regardless, do I have to be a fireman, to think that fires need to be put
out? Do I have to be a cop, to think that criminals need to be arrested?
Of course not.
More and more, I'm starting to think that the prime motivation behind
proclaiming oneself as "against the war," is to provide an excuse for not
fighting it.
"Oh, I would be in the military, but Bush is a fascist."
"Oh, I would be in the military, but the war is wrong."
"Oh, I would be in the military, but the Bush daughters aren't."
"Oh, I would be in the military, but blah...blah...blah.... "
It's all b.s. As for the minister "pacifist" in Doonesbury, I would like
to ask Trudeau what a pacifist is supposed to do, if he sees a violent crime
in progress. He can't call the cops, because they might have to use
violence to stop the crime. He can't intevene himself, because he might
have to use violence himself to end the crime.
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
06 Dec 2006 12:18:16 PM |
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Kirk wrote:
"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:
Not antiwar post; anti-chickenhawk reply to pro-chickenhawk post.
You've been in the military so you get the coveted Z Stamp of Approval
for Earning the Right to Have a ProWar Opinion.
Well, thanks for the Stamp! (Amazing, how much mileage I've gotten from my
one term in the military. I highly recommend everyone serve, just so they
can say spout off about it on usenet.)
It's like the Heinlein idea, where you have to spend some time in the
military to become a citizen with voting rights. It's actually
congruent with this basic premise, that you don't get to send people to
war unless you have some sort of idea what it's like.
It's all b.s. As for the minister "pacifist" in Doonesbury, I would like
to ask Trudeau what a pacifist is supposed to do, if he sees a violent crime
in progress. He can't call the cops, because they might have to use
violence to stop the crime. He can't intevene himself, because he might
have to use violence himself to end the crime.
Well, he could vote against Bush. Oh, you were talking about something
else.
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| User: "Ubiquitous" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
07 Dec 2006 11:38:51 AM |
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wrote:
Ubiquitous wrote:
Garry Trudeau, who draws the Doonesbury comic strip, is an excellent
representative of baby-boomer liberalism. In a series of strips last
week, he addressed the Kerry/Rangel attitude toward the military--only he
imagines it is conservatives who hold this attitude.
'"How's your boy?" Webb, in an interview Wednesday, recalled Bush
asking during the reception two weeks ago.
"I told him I'd like to get him out of Iraq," Webb said.
"That's not what I asked. How's your boy?" the president replied,
according to Webb.
To sum up:
Webb's reception with the president and other lawmakers was not the place
to admit he has a dumb and uneducated loser for a son (why else would he
be in Iraq?)."
--
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
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| User: "z" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
07 Dec 2006 03:52:27 PM |
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Ubiquitous wrote:
gzuckier@snail-mail.net wrote:
Ubiquitous wrote:
Garry Trudeau, who draws the Doonesbury comic strip, is an excellent
representative of baby-boomer liberalism. In a series of strips last
week, he addressed the Kerry/Rangel attitude toward the military--only he
imagines it is conservatives who hold this attitude.
'"How's your boy?" Webb, in an interview Wednesday, recalled Bush
asking during the reception two weeks ago.
"I told him I'd like to get him out of Iraq," Webb said.
"That's not what I asked. How's your boy?" the president replied,
according to Webb.
To sum up:
Webb's reception with the president and other lawmakers was not the place
to admit he has a dumb and uneducated loser for a son (why else would he
be in Iraq?)."
--
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur
Helpful hint to "compassionate conservatives", assholes, sociopaths,
and others trying to pass in normal human society; it is customary when
asking about someone's son, if they say something like "I wish he were
home instead of in a war zone", to respond with something empathetic,
such as "Me too", or "We all do" or "I wish they were all home", even
though you actually don't give a ***** since your family is all safe.
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
01 Dec 2006 03:26:42 AM |
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Ubiquitous wrote:
Garry Trudeau, who draws the Doonesbury comic strip, is an excellent
representative of baby-boomer liberalism. In a series of strips last
week, he addressed the Kerry/Rangel attitude toward the military--only he
imagines it is conservatives who hold this attitude. This is the dialogue
from Monday's strip:
Hippie college professor: You know, B.D., I'm a pacifist. I don't think
anyone should join the military. But you should hear the fine young
patriots taking my ethics class. War-supporters all, but quick to explain
why they're not enlisting!
Conservative-looking student: "And I truly believe that I can better
serve my country at a hedge fund."
Another student (not shown): Hear, hear!
Then Tuesday's:
Conservative-looking student: Look, Dr. Sloan, all I'm saying is that
it'd be a waste to send the best and brightest to Iraq. The military is
for volunteers, you know, people with limited options in life who don't
have a future or whatever. Although I support them, of course.
Another student (not shown): Me too! Totally!
Dimwits in the military? It's an old stereotype. But, Colin Powell did
make a speech to the UN on the run up to the war and introduced a
garbage truck as a WMD Decontamination Vehicle. He even had a photo of it.
So, maybe there is some truth to the stereotype.
B.D.: This is an ethics class?
Hippie college professor: In its final week. I'm beyond despair.
And Wednesday's:
Hippie college professor: This past week, we've been discussing the
disconnect between supporting the war but being unwilling to serve.
Today's guest would like to speak to that. You all know coach B.D. But
what you may not know is that he volunteered for three of our nation's
conflicts!
Student (not shown): Is that right, coach? You volunteered for three
wars?
B.D.: Yes.
Student (not shown): No offense, but isn't that, like, retarded?
B.D.: Offense taken.
Now, we'll admit we don't spend that much time on campus, and we suppose
it's possible that pro-war students talk exactly like Charles Rangel or
John Kerry. But we are skeptical.
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| User: "Kirk" |
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| Title: Re: They Call This 'Projection' |
02 Dec 2006 10:48:09 PM |
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"PagCal" <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Dimwits in the military? It's an old stereotype. But, Colin Powell did
make a speech to the UN on the run up to the war and introduced a
garbage truck as a WMD Decontamination Vehicle. He even had a photo of it.
So, maybe there is some truth to the stereotype.
Um..., good to see you support the troops. sheesh...
-- Kirk
"The length of one's days matters less
than the love of one's family and friends."
-- Gerald Ford
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