Politics > Politics-USA > Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers.
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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19 Oct 2006 12:47:21 PM |
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Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/18/biometric_fingerchop_fears/
Steal my ID, steal my fingers - the public gets nervous
By Mark Ballard ? More by this author
Published Wednesday 18th October 2006 19:55 GMT
The public fears losing their fingers to ruthless biometric ID thieves
in the fingerprint-controlled future, apparently. Or at least, so says
Frost & Sullivan analyst Sapna Capoor, who argued unconvincingly that
"A dead finger is no good to a thief."
If you have a fingerprint scanner protecting your family jewels, your
data might be safe, but what about your fingers?
So, it's all getting out of hand? Then on the other... there are
recorded instances of people having their fingers chopped off, and the
biometric industry takes the issue seriously.
For example, there were the Malaysian crooks who nabbed a man's
fingers in order to operate the biometric security on the S-class
Mercedes they stole from him.
Nevertheless, biometric firms are doing what they can to detect
whether a fingerprint being scanned is alive or not, said Jean
Francois Mainguet, chief scientist of fingerchip biometrics at
Atmel-France, and inventor of the sweeping technique for direct
silicon fingerprint scanning (he was awarded his patent on 9/11, as it
happens).
(snip)
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
20 Oct 2006 05:10:11 AM |
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:taefj29fup8doat1gb139i7k4uojttcfqo@4ax.com...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/18/biometric_fingerchop_fears/
Steal my ID, steal my fingers - the public gets nervous
By Mark Ballard ? More by this author
Published Wednesday 18th October 2006 19:55 GMT
The public fears losing their fingers to ruthless biometric ID thieves
in the fingerprint-controlled future, apparently. Or at least, so says
Frost & Sullivan analyst Sapna Capoor, who argued unconvincingly that
"A dead finger is no good to a thief."
If you have a fingerprint scanner protecting your family jewels, your
data might be safe, but what about your fingers?
So, it's all getting out of hand? Then on the other... there are
recorded instances of people having their fingers chopped off, and the
biometric industry takes the issue seriously.
For example, there were the Malaysian crooks who nabbed a man's
fingers in order to operate the biometric security on the S-class
Mercedes they stole from him.
Nevertheless, biometric firms are doing what they can to detect
whether a fingerprint being scanned is alive or not, said Jean
Francois Mainguet, chief scientist of fingerchip biometrics at
Atmel-France, and inventor of the sweeping technique for direct
silicon fingerprint scanning (he was awarded his patent on 9/11, as it
happens).
(snip)
Then they'll just kidnap him, use his prints to get what they want,and then
kill him.
While trying to prevent crime is an issue to every honest person, to think
that we can create a criminal proof system is folly.
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| User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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| Title: Re: Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
20 Oct 2006 10:32:55 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 06:10:11 -0400, "ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@MYOB.com>
wrote:
Then they'll just kidnap him, use his prints to get what they want,and then
kill him.
While trying to prevent crime is an issue to every honest person, to think
that we can create a criminal proof system is folly.
Who said anything about "criminal proof", you nitwit. No one is
talking about getting rid of crime entirely, just reducing it.
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| User: "NoGoals" |
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| Title: Re: Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
20 Oct 2006 01:31:55 PM |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/18/biometric_fingerchop_fears/
Steal my ID, steal my fingers - the public gets nervous
By Mark Ballard ? More by this author
Published Wednesday 18th October 2006 19:55 GMT
The public fears losing their fingers to ruthless biometric ID thieves
in the fingerprint-controlled future, apparently. Or at least, so says
Frost & Sullivan analyst Sapna Capoor, who argued unconvincingly that
"A dead finger is no good to a thief."
If you have a fingerprint scanner protecting your family jewels, your
data might be safe, but what about your fingers?
So, it's all getting out of hand? Then on the other... there are
recorded instances of people having their fingers chopped off, and the
biometric industry takes the issue seriously.
For example, there were the Malaysian crooks who nabbed a man's
fingers in order to operate the biometric security on the S-class
Mercedes they stole from him.
Nevertheless, biometric firms are doing what they can to detect
whether a fingerprint being scanned is alive or not, said Jean
Francois Mainguet, chief scientist of fingerchip biometrics at
Atmel-France, and inventor of the sweeping technique for direct
silicon fingerprint scanning (he was awarded his patent on 9/11, as it
happens).
AAaaaaahhhhheeeemmmmm: I was part of the engineering staff of a
fingerprint capture and recognition system some 20 years back. We had
the ability to tell the difference between a live and dead finger even
then. I haven't been in that industry for some time but I would think
that further advances would have been made in all that time.
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| User: "Matt" |
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| Title: Re: Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
20 Oct 2006 03:52:22 PM |
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NoGoals wrote:
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/18/biometric_fingerchop_fears/
Steal my ID, steal my fingers - the public gets nervous
By Mark Ballard ? More by this author
Published Wednesday 18th October 2006 19:55 GMT
The public fears losing their fingers to ruthless biometric ID thieves
in the fingerprint-controlled future, apparently. Or at least, so says
Frost & Sullivan analyst Sapna Capoor, who argued unconvincingly that
"A dead finger is no good to a thief."
If you have a fingerprint scanner protecting your family jewels, your
data might be safe, but what about your fingers?
So, it's all getting out of hand? Then on the other... there are
recorded instances of people having their fingers chopped off, and the
biometric industry takes the issue seriously.
For example, there were the Malaysian crooks who nabbed a man's
fingers in order to operate the biometric security on the S-class
Mercedes they stole from him.
Nevertheless, biometric firms are doing what they can to detect
whether a fingerprint being scanned is alive or not, said Jean
Francois Mainguet, chief scientist of fingerchip biometrics at
Atmel-France, and inventor of the sweeping technique for direct
silicon fingerprint scanning (he was awarded his patent on 9/11, as it
happens).
AAaaaaahhhhheeeemmmmm: I was part of the engineering staff of a
fingerprint capture and recognition system some 20 years back. We had
the ability to tell the difference between a live and dead finger even
then. I haven't been in that industry for some time but I would think
that further advances would have been made in all that time.
Sure, its very possible. For one thing, temperature and pulse are
obvious
choices. However, what if they kidnap YOU and force you to put your
finger
print on something? Nothing is perfect, fingerprints might be slightly
better
than PIN's, but hardly remarkably so.
Matt
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| User: "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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20 Oct 2006 09:30:50 PM |
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On 20 Oct 2006 11:31:55 -0700, "NoGoals" <swknight02@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAaaaaahhhhheeeemmmmm: I was part of the engineering staff of a
fingerprint capture and recognition system some 20 years back. We had
the ability to tell the difference between a live and dead finger even
then. I haven't been in that industry for some time but I would think
that further advances would have been made in all that time.
Outside of temperature, which can be easily duplicated by the crooks,
how could you tell?
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| User: "NoGoals" |
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| Title: Re: Think fingerprint IDs are a good idea? - Wait till thieves chop off your fingers. |
23 Oct 2006 02:19:26 PM |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 11:31:55 -0700, "NoGoals" <swknight02@yahoo.com> wrote:
AAaaaaahhhhheeeemmmmm: I was part of the engineering staff of a
fingerprint capture and recognition system some 20 years back. We had
the ability to tell the difference between a live and dead finger even
then. I haven't been in that industry for some time but I would think
that further advances would have been made in all that time.
Outside of temperature, which can be easily duplicated by the crooks,
how could you tell?
The exact way it was accomplished was proprietary info but it was a
combo of heat/pulse/skin tone and comparison to the original. The
original could only be done by an admin.
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