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User: "NotBush2004"
Date: 24 Aug 2004 09:18:48 PM
Object: This is the "honor and dignity" the Bush administration has displayed to the world.
From the article:
Another officer at the Pentagon said he felt that the latest revelations,
including the use of dogs to frighten juveniles, were some of the most
worrisome of the scandal. He said one particular worry at the Pentagon is
how the use of dogs against Arab juveniles will be viewed in the Middle
East.
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washingtonpost.com
Iraqi Teens Abused at Abu Ghraib, Report Finds
Officials Say Inquiry Also Confirms Prisoners Were Hidden From Aid Groups
By Josh White and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, August 24, 2004
An Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has found that
military police dogs were used to frighten detained Iraqi teenagers as part
of a sadistic game, one of many details in the forthcoming report that were
provoking expressions of concern and disgust among Army officers briefed on
the findings.
Earlier reports and photographs from the prison have indicated that
unmuzzled military police dogs were used to intimidate detainees at Abu
Ghraib, something the dog handlers have told investigators was sanctioned by
top military intelligence officers there. But the new report, according to
Pentagon sources, will show that MPs were using their animals to make
juveniles -- as young as 15 years old -- urinate on themselves as part of a
competition.
"There were two MP dog handlers who did use dogs to threaten kids detained
at Abu Ghraib," said an Army officer familiar with the report, one of two
investigations on detainee abuse scheduled for release this week. "It has
nothing to do with interrogation. It was just them on their own being
weird."
Speaking on the condition of anonymity because the report has not been
released, other officials at the Pentagon said the investigation also
acknowledges that military intelligence soldiers kept multiple detainees off
the record books and hid them from international humanitarian organizations.
The report also mentions substantiated claims that at least one male
detainee was sodomized by one of his captors at Abu Ghraib, sources said.
"The report will show that these actions were bad, illegal, unauthorized,
and some of it was sadistic," said one Defense Department official. "But it
will show that they were the actions of a few, actions that went unnoticed
because of leadership failures."
The investigative report by Maj. Gen. George R. Fay focuses on the role of
military intelligence soldiers in the prison abuse. It will expand the
circle of soldiers considered responsible for abuse beyond the seven
military police soldiers already facing charges, officials said, to include
more than a dozen others -- low-ranking soldiers, civilian contractors and
medics. Sources have said that the report also criticizes military
leadership, from the prison and up through the highest levels of the U.S.
chain of command in Iraq at the time.
One Pentagon official said yesterday that Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, then
the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is named in the report for leadership
deficiencies and failing to deal with rising problems at the prison as he
tried to manage 150,000 troops countering an unexpected insurgency. Sanchez,
however, will not be recommended for any punitive action or even a letter of
reprimand, the source said. About 300 pages of the 9,000-page report will be
released publicly, according to Army officials.
Another report regarding the prison abuse, commissioned by Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld, is expected to be released this afternoon. That
independent commission, chaired by James R. Schlesinger, a former defense
secretary, will be critical of the guidance and policies set by top Pentagon
and military officials as they worked to get more useful intelligence from
detainees in Iraq, said a source familiar with the commission's work.
The Schlesinger report is not expected to implicate high-level officials by
name, but it would be the first report to link the abuse at Abu Ghraib to
policies set by top officials in Washington. The Fay report, by contrast,
does not point a finger at the Pentagon and instead assigns most of the
blame to military intelligence and military police who worked on the chaotic
grounds of the overcrowded and austere Abu Ghraib.
Rumsfeld had not been briefed on the commission's findings as of yesterday,
a Defense Department source said, and the commission likewise has not
briefed members of Congress, who have been anticipating the reports for
months. Initially, the Schlesinger commission was slated to take 45 days,
and Rumsfeld suggested that it consider limiting itself to reviewing the
work of other investigations. But the commission hired a staff of more than
20 people and conducted dozens of interviews, taking more than two months to
complete its work.
The reports are part of several investigations into U.S. detainee operations
around the world, and so far they have expanded the scope of culpability
beyond the seven MPs charged in connection with the most notorious incidents
of abuse, such as stacking naked detainees in a pyramid, posing them in mock
sexual positions and beating them. Pentagon officials said yesterday that
the abuse came not as the result of direct orders but rather as
"off-the-clock mischief" that arose from vague instructions and a general
lack of oversight.
The core conclusion of the Fay report, said one general who is familiar with
it, is that there was a leadership failure in the Army in Iraq that extended
well beyond a handful of MPs. "There's a vacuum there," he said. "Either
people knew it and turned a blind eye, or they weren't paying attention."
In particular, top leaders failed to give proper attention to reports from
the International Committee of the Red Cross that decried conditions at Abu
Ghraib, reported allegations of abuse and raised warning flags about
detainees being hidden from them. Top Pentagon officials have denied keeping
detainees from the ICRC, but the Fay report will concur with an earlier Army
investigation that cited the prison for keeping "ghost detainees."
"This report will address the ghost-detainee problem, and it was an outright
policy violation," said one Pentagon official familiar with the report. "It
did happen, and accordingly it is still being investigated."
Another officer at the Pentagon said he felt that the latest revelations,
including the use of dogs to frighten juveniles, were some of the most
worrisome of the scandal. He said one particular worry at the Pentagon is
how the use of dogs against Arab juveniles will be viewed in the Middle
East.
"People know that in war, you know, you have to break eggs," he said. "But
this crosses the line."
http://tinyurl.com/5fh9a
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A27048-2004Aug23?language=printer)
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Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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User: "GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla"

Title: Re: This is the "honor and dignity" the Bush administration has displayed to the world. 24 Aug 2004 09:32:37 PM
NotBush2004 wrote:

From the article:

Another officer at the Pentagon said he felt that the latest revelations,
including the use of dogs to frighten juveniles, were some of the most
worrisome of the scandal. He said one particular worry at the Pentagon is
how the use of dogs against Arab juveniles will be viewed in the Middle
East.

----------------------------------------------------

washingtonpost.com

Iraqi Teens Abused at Abu Ghraib, Report Finds

That's what AWOL Bush meant by Compassionate Conservatism.


Officials Say Inquiry Also Confirms Prisoners Were Hidden From Aid Groups

By Josh White and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, August 24, 2004

An Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has found that
military police dogs were used to frighten detained Iraqi teenagers as part
of a sadistic game, one of many details in the forthcoming report that were
provoking expressions of concern and disgust among Army officers briefed on
the findings.

Earlier reports and photographs from the prison have indicated that
unmuzzled military police dogs were used to intimidate detainees at Abu
Ghraib, something the dog handlers have told investigators was sanctioned by
top military intelligence officers there. But the new report, according to
Pentagon sources, will show that MPs were using their animals to make
juveniles -- as young as 15 years old -- urinate on themselves as part of a
competition.

"There were two MP dog handlers who did use dogs to threaten kids detained
at Abu Ghraib," said an Army officer familiar with the report, one of two
investigations on detainee abuse scheduled for release this week. "It has
nothing to do with interrogation. It was just them on their own being
weird."

Speaking on the condition of anonymity because the report has not been
released, other officials at the Pentagon said the investigation also
acknowledges that military intelligence soldiers kept multiple detainees off
the record books and hid them from international humanitarian organizations.
The report also mentions substantiated claims that at least one male
detainee was sodomized by one of his captors at Abu Ghraib, sources said.

"The report will show that these actions were bad, illegal, unauthorized,
and some of it was sadistic," said one Defense Department official. "But it
will show that they were the actions of a few, actions that went unnoticed
because of leadership failures."

The investigative report by Maj. Gen. George R. Fay focuses on the role of
military intelligence soldiers in the prison abuse. It will expand the
circle of soldiers considered responsible for abuse beyond the seven
military police soldiers already facing charges, officials said, to include
more than a dozen others -- low-ranking soldiers, civilian contractors and
medics. Sources have said that the report also criticizes military
leadership, from the prison and up through the highest levels of the U.S.
chain of command in Iraq at the time.

One Pentagon official said yesterday that Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, then
the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is named in the report for leadership
deficiencies and failing to deal with rising problems at the prison as he
tried to manage 150,000 troops countering an unexpected insurgency. Sanchez,
however, will not be recommended for any punitive action or even a letter of
reprimand, the source said. About 300 pages of the 9,000-page report will be
released publicly, according to Army officials.

Another report regarding the prison abuse, commissioned by Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld, is expected to be released this afternoon. That
independent commission, chaired by James R. Schlesinger, a former defense
secretary, will be critical of the guidance and policies set by top Pentagon
and military officials as they worked to get more useful intelligence from
detainees in Iraq, said a source familiar with the commission's work.

The Schlesinger report is not expected to implicate high-level officials by
name, but it would be the first report to link the abuse at Abu Ghraib to
policies set by top officials in Washington. The Fay report, by contrast,
does not point a finger at the Pentagon and instead assigns most of the
blame to military intelligence and military police who worked on the chaotic
grounds of the overcrowded and austere Abu Ghraib.

Rumsfeld had not been briefed on the commission's findings as of yesterday,
a Defense Department source said, and the commission likewise has not
briefed members of Congress, who have been anticipating the reports for
months. Initially, the Schlesinger commission was slated to take 45 days,
and Rumsfeld suggested that it consider limiting itself to reviewing the
work of other investigations. But the commission hired a staff of more than
20 people and conducted dozens of interviews, taking more than two months to
complete its work.

The reports are part of several investigations into U.S. detainee operations
around the world, and so far they have expanded the scope of culpability
beyond the seven MPs charged in connection with the most notorious incidents
of abuse, such as stacking naked detainees in a pyramid, posing them in mock
sexual positions and beating them. Pentagon officials said yesterday that
the abuse came not as the result of direct orders but rather as
"off-the-clock mischief" that arose from vague instructions and a general
lack of oversight.

The core conclusion of the Fay report, said one general who is familiar with
it, is that there was a leadership failure in the Army in Iraq that extended
well beyond a handful of MPs. "There's a vacuum there," he said. "Either
people knew it and turned a blind eye, or they weren't paying attention."

In particular, top leaders failed to give proper attention to reports from
the International Committee of the Red Cross that decried conditions at Abu
Ghraib, reported allegations of abuse and raised warning flags about
detainees being hidden from them. Top Pentagon officials have denied keeping
detainees from the ICRC, but the Fay report will concur with an earlier Army
investigation that cited the prison for keeping "ghost detainees."

"This report will address the ghost-detainee problem, and it was an outright
policy violation," said one Pentagon official familiar with the report. "It
did happen, and accordingly it is still being investigated."

Another officer at the Pentagon said he felt that the latest revelations,
including the use of dogs to frighten juveniles, were some of the most
worrisome of the scandal. He said one particular worry at the Pentagon is
how the use of dogs against Arab juveniles will be viewed in the Middle
East.

"People know that in war, you know, you have to break eggs," he said. "But
this crosses the line."

http://tinyurl.com/5fh9a

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A27048-2004Aug23?language=printer)

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me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
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