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10 Jun 2007 08:39:31 PM |
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Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
June 10, 2007
Top scientist says biofuels are scam
Jonathan Leake and Steven Swinford
THE government’s policy of promoting biofuels for transport will come
under harsh attack this week from one of its senior science advisers.
Roland Clift will tell a seminar of the Royal Academy of Engineering
that the plan to promote bioethanol and biodiesel produced from plants
is a “scam”.
Clift, professor of environmental technology at Surrey University,
sits on the scientific advisory council of Defra, David Miliband’s
environment department.
He will tell the seminar that promoting the use of biofuels is likely
to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
Clift’s comments will amount to a direct challenge to Miliband, who
has published a strategy promoting biofuels. It coincides with a surge
of anger among environmentalists over the weak pledges on climate
change that emerged from last week’s G8 summit.
The audience on Thursday will also include Howard Dalton, Miliband’s
chief scientist at Defra, who is expected to speak in defence of
biofuels.
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
“We calculate that the land will need to grow biodiesel crops for
70-300 years to compensate for the CO2 emitted in forest destruction.”
Clift will also condemn plans to produce British biodiesel from
rapeseed, pointing to research showing the crop generates copious
amounts of nitrous oxide – an even more powerful global warming gas
than CO2 The attack comes as the government increases its support for
biofuels. Next year it will introduce a requirement for 3% of all fuel
sold on UK forecourts to come from a renewable source.
Across the EU the renewable transport fuels obligation will increase
this to 5% by 2010, with the British government pushing for a target
of 10%.
Miliband wants British farming to diversify into biofuels. “It is an
important part of our vision for a diversified farming sector,” he
said in a recent speech.
The UK Biomass Strategy published last month is, however, also
critical of turning crops into transport fuels, pointing out that this
is the least efficient way of using them. It says that it is most
efficient simply to burn them.
Clift is not the only government science adviser calling for a rethink
on biofuels. Roger Kemp, who advises the Department for Transport on
energy use in transport, told a conference last week that using
biofuels in transport would have no impact on cutting emissions.
In his submission to the Institute of Engineering and Technology’s
climate change committee he warned that Britain produced 200m tonnes
of CO2 a year in transport emissions.
On current trends that will double by 2045 – whereas the government
has pledged to reduce transport emissions to around 90m tonnes by that
date.
“We would need to plant a land area twice the size of Britain to get
enough biofuel crops to halve our emissions,” said Kemp, professor of
engineering at Lancaster University. “The numbers simply do not add
up.”
Kemp and Clift point out that the surging global interest in biofuels
derives from a “false belief” among politicians that there must be a
technical solution to climate change.
Kemp said: ”Underlying all this is the assumption that we have to
preserve the mobility and freedom to travel that we now enjoy at all
costs.
“However, when you look at the science of climate change it is clear
there are no such simple solutions. Humanity has to accept that.”
A similar message was this weekend emerging from environmentalists as
they denounced the G8 industrialised nations for failing to take
action on climate change at last week’s summit.
Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, accused the G8 of
being little more than a “talking shop”. He said: “The G8 has a record
of putting the short term interests of rich countries before those of
the environment and developing countries and this year was no
exception.”
FACTS OF ‘GREEN’ FUEL
What are biofuels?
Biofuels come from plants: bioethanol from sugars and starches,
biodiesel mainly from rapeseed and palm oil. They are blended with
normal fuels, making up about 5% of the product.
What are the benefits?
The carbon in biofuels comes from the atmosphere so when they burn
that carbon is simply rereleased and there is no increase.
What are the concerns?
Biofuel crops take land from growing food and create pressure for
deforestation. Burning forests generates vast amounts of CO2.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| Title: Re: Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
10 Jun 2007 09:09:51 PM |
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Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
--
"The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and
balance for one another. It is within the court’s duty to ensure that power
is never condense[d] into a single branch of government." - Judge Anna
Diggs Taylor
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
10 Jun 2007 11:55:22 PM |
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In article <Xns994BD7EEF6BA3pookinpnuballthewron@69.28.186.121>,
Political Pagan <pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
At that, it's a drop in the bucket. You can't power one major city's
car's on food-service waste of the whole country. So in that sense, it
would also be a scam.
Here's the bigger trouble: We don't have the CAPACITY to replace
petroleum with food. There's just not enough land and water for it,
if we're also going to eat.
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| User: "Fran" |
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11 Jun 2007 12:14:01 AM |
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On Jun 11, 2:55 pm, Hugh Gibbons <hugh_gibb...@dontsendmeemail.net>
wrote:
In article <Xns994BD7EEF6BA3pookinpnuballthew...@69.28.186.121>,
Political Pagan <pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
At that, it's a drop in the bucket. You can't power one major city's
car's on food-service waste of the whole country.
You can't, but you don't need to. When you consider all potential
waste biomass sources -- sewage, lawn clippings, ground fuel from
forests currently back burned to prevent wildfires, agricultural
residues, noxious weed control, algal blooms in water courses, etc the
equation looks a good deal better. You can produce an enormous
quantity of fuel and/or electricity from that.
Switchgrass, willow and miscanthus can also grow on quite marginal
land that would not be suited to normal agricultural production.
Moreover, TPD (thermal depolymerization) not only works on food waste,
it works even better on polymers (these are low in water). How much
plastic waste is going into landfill in the developing world that
could be converted to diesel?
Then there is also the idea of algaculture -- which can be run in
closed photobioreactors using the flue gases of furnaces to yield CO2,
or in open ponds on waste land, These can have very high yields of the
lipids and starches from which diesel and alcohol fuels can be made --
up to 15,000 gallons per acre per year of diesel and about 10,000
gallons of 4 carbon butanol.
Here's the bigger trouble: We don't have the CAPACITY to replace
petroleum with food.
Nobody is seriously suggesting that. It's a furphy anyway. The problem
at the moment doesn't lie with food production, but food distribution
and trade markets.
Fran
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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10 Jun 2007 09:34:05 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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10 Jun 2007 10:58:48 PM |
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Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com:
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
3 gallons of wasted fryer oil=2.5 gallons of biodiesel. In a large city
(say Chicago) there is enough waste per day to produce over 20,000 gallons.
The avg MPG for biodiesel is 60MPG. Do the math.
--
"The three separate branches of government were developed as a check and
balance for one another. It is within the court’s duty to ensure that power
is never condense[d] into a single branch of government." - Judge Anna
Diggs Taylor
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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11 Jun 2007 12:05:55 AM |
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In article <Xns994BEA6AA3244pookinpnuballthewron@69.28.186.121>,
Political Pagan <pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com:
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
3 gallons of wasted fryer oil=2.5 gallons of biodiesel. In a large city
(say Chicago) there is enough waste per day to produce over 20,000 gallons.
The avg MPG for biodiesel is 60MPG. Do the math.
Average MPG for biodiesel is the same as for diesel. If you put it in
passenger cars, it's maybe 30 MPG. Chicago has a population of what?
About 9.5 million? So yeah, they probably waste much more than .002
gallons (about a 1/4 oz.) per person per day. Only problem is they
use about a gallon a day in fuel. Biodiesel can't be more than a drop
in the bucket using waste cooking oil.
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| User: "Fran" |
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10 Jun 2007 11:03:18 PM |
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On Jun 11, 1:58 pm, Political Pagan <pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz>
wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote innews:ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com:
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
3 gallons of wasted fryer oil=2.5 gallons of biodiesel. In a large city
(say Chicago) there is enough waste per day to produce over 20,000 gallons.
The avg MPG for biodiesel is 60MPG. Do the math.
And there are many, many other waste sources that don't require anyone
going near as much as an acre of arable land, using a gallon of
potable water or using a pound of crop-ready fertiliser.
Fran
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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12 Jun 2007 12:07:02 AM |
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In article <1181534598.759540.285770@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Fran <Fran.Beta@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 11, 1:58 pm, Political Pagan <pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz>
wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote
innews:ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com:
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
3 gallons of wasted fryer oil=2.5 gallons of biodiesel. In a large city
(say Chicago) there is enough waste per day to produce over 20,000 gallons.
The avg MPG for biodiesel is 60MPG. Do the math.
And there are many, many other waste sources that don't require anyone
going near as much as an acre of arable land, using a gallon of
potable water or using a pound of crop-ready fertiliser.
Obviously, we should use as much of the waste as we economically can, but
the idea that this is going to dramatically change our situation is
silly.
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11 Jun 2007 12:19:10 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 03:58:48 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com:
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
3 gallons of wasted fryer oil=2.5 gallons of biodiesel. In a large city
(say Chicago) there is enough waste per day to produce over 20,000 gallons.
The avg MPG for biodiesel is 60MPG. Do the math.
OK
The US used 137 billion gallons of gasoline in 2006 that's around 365
million gallons or around the total grease production of 18,767 cities
the size of Chicago..
The upside to this is that the increased incidence of heart disease
will rid the environment of an increasing number of energy consumers.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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12 Jun 2007 12:05:22 AM |
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In article <sulp63leid9spamiu0087d54o0kruvh7dr@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
The upside to this is that the increased incidence of heart disease
Upside?
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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12 Jun 2007 12:26:02 AM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:05:22 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <sulp63leid9spamiu0087d54o0kruvh7dr@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
The upside to this is that the increased incidence of heart disease
Upside?
Dead bodies don't burn carbon.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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10 Jun 2007 11:58:17 PM |
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In article <ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
More than that.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
Really, it would solve two problems at once. It would put fuel in our
tanks, and simultaneously decrease population. More people would die
younger of heart failure, reducing fuel demands, and more young would
die of starvation, because the price of food would go up.
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11 Jun 2007 12:20:20 AM |
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On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:58:17 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <ancp63pnj37q5c8i2b955s26gpqgb8g2an@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: “Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
More than that.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
Really, it would solve two problems at once. It would put fuel in our
tanks, and simultaneously decrease population. More people would die
younger of heart failure, reducing fuel demands, and more young would
die of starvation, because the price of food would go up.
Just so.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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12 Jun 2007 12:36:45 AM |
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On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
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12 Jun 2007 12:43:33 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| Title: Re: Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
12 Jun 2007 11:29:31 PM |
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In article <0ccs63l2p8usrrcrbnit059b1vbubn1ldo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
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12 Jun 2007 11:33:10 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:29:31 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <0ccs63l2p8usrrcrbnit059b1vbubn1ldo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
No soy burgers either?
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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13 Jun 2007 12:26:58 AM |
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In article <9rsu6311ramfk1nep186c2mfab7hkldcms@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:29:31 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <0ccs63l2p8usrrcrbnit059b1vbubn1ldo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm
oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service
waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
No soy burgers either?
Nope, sorry. No food at all.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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13 Jun 2007 01:19:10 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:26:58 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <9rsu6311ramfk1nep186c2mfab7hkldcms@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:29:31 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <0ccs63l2p8usrrcrbnit059b1vbubn1ldo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm
oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service
waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
No soy burgers either?
Nope, sorry. No food at all.
It's not a good idea to burn food.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
14 Jun 2007 12:53:32 AM |
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In article <d13v631sq0lpetlthh66ra35tmfhdcs75p@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:26:58 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <9rsu6311ramfk1nep186c2mfab7hkldcms@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 22:29:31 -0600, Hugh Gibbons
<hugh_gibbons@dontsendmeemail.net> wrote:
In article <0ccs63l2p8usrrcrbnit059b1vbubn1ldo@4ax.com>,
Captain Compassion <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:36:45 -0000, American Jesus
<zz99z@netscape.net> wrote:
On Jun 10, 8:34 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:09:51 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinp...@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com:
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics
the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for
palm
oil
and similar crops.
Hmm, interesting. Biodiesel is mostly converted from food-service
waste
Most Biodiesel comes from vegetable oil stocks. The majority being
soy
bean oil. For waste vegetable oil to become a viable source the
consumption of French Fries and other deep fried foods has to be
raised by a factor of 10.
McDonalds. would be in hog heaven.
You gotta love those fries, even though their burgers suck. What
about making a multi-level platform to grow what we need? Like a
building with several floors stacked atop one another, using
artificial light and gray water. We could do it that way without
sacrificing other crops. If we can come up with the soil I think it
would work.
Every little bit helps. Enough small solutions may make a large
solution.
You are right about McDonalds. their burgers suck but their fries are
great. Give me a Double Beef Whopper with cheese every time.
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
No soy burgers either?
Nope, sorry. No food at all.
It's not a good idea to burn food.
Obviously, you didn't get the memo.
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| User: "Governor Swill" |
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13 Jun 2007 04:56:07 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:19:10 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
No soy burgers either?
Nope, sorry. No food at all.
It's not a good idea to burn food.
What's the difference between burning ethanol and burning oil?
More of the ethanol money stays here.
Swill
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| User: "Hugh Gibbons" |
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| Title: Re: Top scientist says biofuels are scam |
14 Jun 2007 12:54:01 AM |
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In article <tup07358suc2ouugobe5npmgqmlrtkdq4c@4ax.com>,
Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:19:10 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
No soy burgers either?
Nope, sorry. No food at all.
It's not a good idea to burn food.
What's the difference between burning ethanol and burning oil?
More of the ethanol money stays here.
It's a waste of land.
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| User: "Governor Swill" |
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13 Jun 2007 04:55:24 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:33:10 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
Sorry, no beef. They plowed all the ranch land and planted corn, and
it's too expensive to feed to cows. It all goes in the gas tank.
No soy burgers either?
The soybean crops are being squeezed for biodiesel.
Swill
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12 Jun 2007 11:45:57 PM |
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On Jun 10, 6:39 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
June 10, 2007
Top scientist says biofuels are scam
Jonathan Leake and Steven Swinford
THE government's policy of promoting biofuels for transport will come
under harsh attack this week from one of its senior science advisers.
Roland Clift will tell a seminar of the Royal Academy of Engineering
that the plan to promote bioethanol and biodiesel produced from plants
is a "scam".
Clift, professor of environmental technology at Surrey University,
sits on the scientific advisory council of Defra, David Miliband's
environment department.
And will soon, no doubt, be sitting in a plush BP corner office..
Oh lordee, Cap'n..
Is there anything you wouldn't do to maximize the financial return on
your fossil fuel investments?
'The Shame of it all'.. Epictetus
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13 Jun 2007 01:36:34 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:45:57 -0700, wrote:
On Jun 10, 6:39 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
June 10, 2007
Top scientist says biofuels are scam
Jonathan Leake and Steven Swinford
THE government's policy of promoting biofuels for transport will come
under harsh attack this week from one of its senior science advisers.
Roland Clift will tell a seminar of the Royal Academy of Engineering
that the plan to promote bioethanol and biodiesel produced from plants
is a "scam".
Clift, professor of environmental technology at Surrey University,
sits on the scientific advisory council of Defra, David Miliband's
environment department.
And will soon, no doubt, be sitting in a plush BP corner office..
BP's home office is in London. The Captain won't go there. Perhaps a
nice chalet at Tahoe.
Oh lordee, Cap'n..
Is there anything you wouldn't do to maximize the financial return on
your fossil fuel investments?
'The Shame of it all'.. Epictetus
Realize this. The price of fossil fuels will not decrease because of
biofuels. The price of biofuels will rise to meet the price of fossil
fuels.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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| User: "mcs" |
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10 Jun 2007 09:03:12 PM |
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what about fuel from switchgrass?
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com...
June 10, 2007
Top scientist says biofuels are scam
Jonathan Leake and Steven Swinford
THE government's policy of promoting biofuels for transport will come
under harsh attack this week from one of its senior science advisers.
Roland Clift will tell a seminar of the Royal Academy of Engineering
that the plan to promote bioethanol and biodiesel produced from plants
is a "scam".
Clift, professor of environmental technology at Surrey University,
sits on the scientific advisory council of Defra, David Miliband's
environment department.
He will tell the seminar that promoting the use of biofuels is likely
to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
Clift's comments will amount to a direct challenge to Miliband, who
has published a strategy promoting biofuels. It coincides with a surge
of anger among environmentalists over the weak pledges on climate
change that emerged from last week's G8 summit.
The audience on Thursday will also include Howard Dalton, Miliband's
chief scientist at Defra, who is expected to speak in defence of
biofuels.
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
"We calculate that the land will need to grow biodiesel crops for
70-300 years to compensate for the CO2 emitted in forest destruction."
Clift will also condemn plans to produce British biodiesel from
rapeseed, pointing to research showing the crop generates copious
amounts of nitrous oxide - an even more powerful global warming gas
than CO2 The attack comes as the government increases its support for
biofuels. Next year it will introduce a requirement for 3% of all fuel
sold on UK forecourts to come from a renewable source.
Across the EU the renewable transport fuels obligation will increase
this to 5% by 2010, with the British government pushing for a target
of 10%.
Miliband wants British farming to diversify into biofuels. "It is an
important part of our vision for a diversified farming sector," he
said in a recent speech.
The UK Biomass Strategy published last month is, however, also
critical of turning crops into transport fuels, pointing out that this
is the least efficient way of using them. It says that it is most
efficient simply to burn them.
Clift is not the only government science adviser calling for a rethink
on biofuels. Roger Kemp, who advises the Department for Transport on
energy use in transport, told a conference last week that using
biofuels in transport would have no impact on cutting emissions.
In his submission to the Institute of Engineering and Technology's
climate change committee he warned that Britain produced 200m tonnes
of CO2 a year in transport emissions.
On current trends that will double by 2045 - whereas the government
has pledged to reduce transport emissions to around 90m tonnes by that
date.
"We would need to plant a land area twice the size of Britain to get
enough biofuel crops to halve our emissions," said Kemp, professor of
engineering at Lancaster University. "The numbers simply do not add
up."
Kemp and Clift point out that the surging global interest in biofuels
derives from a "false belief" among politicians that there must be a
technical solution to climate change.
Kemp said: "Underlying all this is the assumption that we have to
preserve the mobility and freedom to travel that we now enjoy at all
costs.
"However, when you look at the science of climate change it is clear
there are no such simple solutions. Humanity has to accept that."
A similar message was this weekend emerging from environmentalists as
they denounced the G8 industrialised nations for failing to take
action on climate change at last week's summit.
Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, accused the G8 of
being little more than a "talking shop". He said: "The G8 has a record
of putting the short term interests of rich countries before those of
the environment and developing countries and this year was no
exception."
FACTS OF 'GREEN' FUEL
What are biofuels?
Biofuels come from plants: bioethanol from sugars and starches,
biodiesel mainly from rapeseed and palm oil. They are blended with
normal fuels, making up about 5% of the product.
What are the benefits?
The carbon in biofuels comes from the atmosphere so when they burn
that carbon is simply rereleased and there is no increase.
What are the concerns?
Biofuel crops take land from growing food and create pressure for
deforestation. Burning forests generates vast amounts of CO2.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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10 Jun 2007 09:24:26 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 02:03:12 GMT, "mcs" <mcs@yahoo.com> wrote:
what about fuel from switchgrass?
Good source for ethanol. Over twice the ability to produce ethanol per
acre than corn. I can be grown in more marginal areas. How ever much
of the land that is capable of growing this plant is all ready in
agricultural use. Will you replace corn and wheat with this?
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:cg9p63hmcqoft22pdvb47eocgoodhbudhi@4ax.com...
June 10, 2007
Top scientist says biofuels are scam
Jonathan Leake and Steven Swinford
THE government's policy of promoting biofuels for transport will come
under harsh attack this week from one of its senior science advisers.
Roland Clift will tell a seminar of the Royal Academy of Engineering
that the plan to promote bioethanol and biodiesel produced from plants
is a "scam".
Clift, professor of environmental technology at Surrey University,
sits on the scientific advisory council of Defra, David Miliband's
environment department.
He will tell the seminar that promoting the use of biofuels is likely
to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
Clift's comments will amount to a direct challenge to Miliband, who
has published a strategy promoting biofuels. It coincides with a surge
of anger among environmentalists over the weak pledges on climate
change that emerged from last week's G8 summit.
The audience on Thursday will also include Howard Dalton, Miliband's
chief scientist at Defra, who is expected to speak in defence of
biofuels.
Clift said: "Biodiesel is a complete scam because in the tropics the
growing demand is causing forests to be burnt to make way for palm oil
and similar crops.
"We calculate that the land will need to grow biodiesel crops for
70-300 years to compensate for the CO2 emitted in forest destruction."
Clift will also condemn plans to produce British biodiesel from
rapeseed, pointing to research showing the crop generates copious
amounts of nitrous oxide - an even more powerful global warming gas
than CO2 The attack comes as the government increases its support for
biofuels. Next year it will introduce a requirement for 3% of all fuel
sold on UK forecourts to come from a renewable source.
Across the EU the renewable transport fuels obligation will increase
this to 5% by 2010, with the British government pushing for a target
of 10%.
Miliband wants British farming to diversify into biofuels. "It is an
important part of our vision for a diversified farming sector," he
said in a recent speech.
The UK Biomass Strategy published last month is, however, also
critical of turning crops into transport fuels, pointing out that this
is the least efficient way of using them. It says that it is most
efficient simply to burn them.
Clift is not the only government science adviser calling for a rethink
on biofuels. Roger Kemp, who advises the Department for Transport on
energy use in transport, told a conference last week that using
biofuels in transport would have no impact on cutting emissions.
In his submission to the Institute of Engineering and Technology's
climate change committee he warned that Britain produced 200m tonnes
of CO2 a year in transport emissions.
On current trends that will double by 2045 - whereas the government
has pledged to reduce transport emissions to around 90m tonnes by that
date.
"We would need to plant a land area twice the size of Britain to get
enough biofuel crops to halve our emissions," said Kemp, professor of
engineering at Lancaster University. "The numbers simply do not add
up."
Kemp and Clift point out that the surging global interest in biofuels
derives from a "false belief" among politicians that there must be a
technical solution to climate change.
Kemp said: "Underlying all this is the assumption that we have to
preserve the mobility and freedom to travel that we now enjoy at all
costs.
"However, when you look at the science of climate change it is clear
there are no such simple solutions. Humanity has to accept that."
A similar message was this weekend emerging from environmentalists as
they denounced the G8 industrialised nations for failing to take
action on climate change at last week's summit.
Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, accused the G8 of
being little more than a "talking shop". He said: "The G8 has a record
of putting the short term interests of rich countries before those of
the environment and developing countries and this year was no
exception."
FACTS OF 'GREEN' FUEL
What are biofuels?
Biofuels come from plants: bioethanol from sugars and starches,
biodiesel mainly from rapeseed and palm oil. They are blended with
normal fuels, making up about 5% of the product.
What are the benefits?
The carbon in biofuels comes from the atmosphere so when they burn
that carbon is simply rereleased and there is no increase.
What are the concerns?
Biofuel crops take land from growing food and create pressure for
deforestation. Burning forests generates vast amounts of CO2.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Celibacy in healthy human beings is a form of
insanity. -- Captain Compassion
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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