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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 10 Sep 2006 07:08:32 PM
Object: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card
The Ocala Star-Banner, 9/10/06:
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/OPINION/209100342/1030/OPINION01
Sep. 10, 2006
Bush plays terror card - again
By BILL PRESS

In a way, you can't blame him.
He can't defend his record on the economy, health care, immigration or
Social Security.
He certainly can't defend the war in Iraq.
There's only one way George Bush and Republicans can possibly win in
November - and that's to scare the hell out of the American people.
So it's no surprise that President Bush gave four speeches in one
week, all trying to tie an unpopular war in Iraq to a still-popular
(barely) war on terror.
If you believe George Bush - and fewer and fewer Americans do - the
war in Iraq is directly linked to Sept. 11;
Iraq is the frontline in the war on terror; and, by fighting
terrorists in Iraq, we are saving ourselves the headache of having to
fight them in downtown Des Moines, Dallas or Seattle.
And, by the way, we're not torturing prisoners, either.
Nonsense.
Bush's attempt to equate the war in Iraq with the war on terror worked
in 2004, but it's not going to work in 2006.
Why?
Because the American people are smarter.
As any thinking person now knows - and any thinking person not on the
Bush payroll would admit - that Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11.
The terrorist organization received no weapons, cash or logistical
support from Iraq.
And Saddam Hussein was no ally of Osama bin Laden.
The road from Ground Zero to Afghanistan was a righteous straight
line.
The road from Afghanistan to Iraq remains a tragic, and unnecessary,
detour.
Nor does the continuing violence in Iraq have anything to do with the
war on terror.
Who's getting killed there today?
Shiites and Sunnis, victims of sectarian violence in Iraq's open civil
warfare.
And American troops, caught in the crossfire, where they don't belong
and should not be forced to stay.
There's only one real connection between Iraq and the war on terror:
the fact that Iraq sucks our time, attention and resources away from
the real enemy.
Yes, there are still evil people planning attacks against the United
States.
But they're not in Iraq.
They're in Germany, France, Spain, the U.K., Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia and other hot spots.
Every time they hear President Bush say we're going to "stay the
course" in Iraq, they say "Thank You, George" for giving them more
time to plot, plan, raise money and round up new recruits.
The most cynical part of Bush's new terror offensive is his promise to
clean up the legal mess at Guantanamo Bay.
This is nothing but pure political grandstanding.
Bush is simply trying to take a disastrous Supreme Court decision -
which declared his military tribunals unconstitutional - and turn it
to his political advantage.
So what does he do?
After admitting he's operating a secret network of CIA torture prisons
around the world and still holding hundreds of prisoners at Gitmo with
no charges filed and no opportunity to see a lawyer, Bush now says
he's willing to start obeying the law.
Sort of. As long as Congress swallows the legislation he's trying to
force down their throats.
Wow!
A president agrees to obey the law . . . maybe.
This is progress?
Americans won't be fooled by Bush's new terror tactics, any more than
they'll be spooked by his new fondness for comparing Osama bin Laden
to Hitler and critics of the Iraq war to Nazi sympathizers.
But Bush keeps plugging away, on the theory that if he tells the same
lies often enough, people will start believing them.
As he explained in March, 2005:
"In my line of work, you gotta keep repeating things over and over and
over again for the truth to sink in . . . to kind of catapult the
propaganda."
Sound familiar?
It should.
Bush's words are strikingly similar to those of another famous
propagandist:
"Of course, the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along. . . . Voice or no voice, the people
can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All
you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater
danger."
That's how Hermann Goering put it at the Nuremberg trials in 1945.
So who's sounding like a Nazi now?
______________________________________________________
The most pathetic administration in American history.
Harry
.

User: "Jim Austin"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 10 Sep 2006 09:55:14 PM
Harry Hope posted:

The Ocala Star-Banner, 9/10/06:
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/OPINION/209100342/1030/OPINION01

Sep. 10, 2006

Bush plays terror card - again

By BILL PRESS

In a way, you can't blame him.

He can't defend his record on the economy, health care, immigration or
Social Security.

He certainly can't defend the war in Iraq.

There's only one way George Bush and Republicans can possibly win in
November - and that's to scare the hell out of the American people.

Liberals should be careful about making statements about using
terrorism to scare people, etc. It says much about the liberal
contingent.
It's not about fear. Fear leads to cowering, groveling, knuckling under
to terrorist threats, bowing to terrorist demands. Fear leads to
liberal policies.
Fear is the only emotion that liberals can understand, and thus it's
understandable they would project it onto everybody else.
It really has to do with an emotion that liberals are unable to feel
about terrorism: outrage. The only time liberals feel outrage is when
terrorists are inconvenienced.
Thus whenever liberals complain about terrorist warnings being some
kind of plot, it only reminds people that liberals are wimpy,
wishy-washy, weak-kneed when it comes to terrorism, that the current
president is the one most likely to offer resistance to terrorism.

So it's no surprise that President Bush gave four speeches in one
week, all trying to tie an unpopular war in Iraq to a still-popular
(barely) war on terror.

The war on terror is not at all popular among liberals. Liberals work
day and night to undermine America's war on terror. Liberal newspapers
alert terrorists about specific government attempts to gain information
about them. Liberal judges thwart government taps on communications
between terrorists and collaborators. Liberal legislators try to
criminalize the war on terror.

If you believe George Bush - and fewer and fewer Americans do - the
war in Iraq is directly linked to Sept. 11;

Iraq is the frontline in the war on terror; and, by fighting
terrorists in Iraq, we are saving ourselves the headache of having to
fight them in downtown Des Moines, Dallas or Seattle.

Bush launched a war on terror, not a war against a specific terrorist
organization.

And, by the way, we're not torturing prisoners, either.

Liberals feel sorry for terrorists.

Nonsense.

Bush's attempt to equate the war in Iraq with the war on terror worked
in 2004, but it's not going to work in 2006.

Why?

Because the American people are smarter.

As any thinking person now knows - and any thinking person not on the
Bush payroll would admit - that Iraq had nothing to do with Sept. 11.

Liberals, if they can't block any war on terrorism, would like to limit
it to one organization, allowing others to operate without opposition.

The terrorist organization received no weapons, cash or logistical
support from Iraq.

Iraq supported other terrorist organizations.

And Saddam Hussein was no ally of Osama bin Laden.

They both shared similar objectives.

The road from Ground Zero to Afghanistan was a righteous straight
line.

That certain liberals opposed.

The road from Afghanistan to Iraq remains a tragic, and unnecessary,
detour.

Liberals did not want to inconvenience other terrorists.

Nor does the continuing violence in Iraq have anything to do with the
war on terror.

Actually, it does. Al Qaeda has sent terrorists to Iraq to kill
Americans.

Who's getting killed there today?

Shiites and Sunnis, victims of sectarian violence in Iraq's open civil
warfare.

Terrorists sometimes kill each other.

And American troops, caught in the crossfire, where they don't belong
and should not be forced to stay.

There's only one real connection between Iraq and the war on terror:
the fact that Iraq sucks our time, attention and resources away from
the real enemy.

No. The real enemy is right in Iraq persuing terrorist activities.

Yes, there are still evil people planning attacks against the United
States.

But they're not in Iraq.

They're in Germany, France, Spain, the U.K., Malaysia, Pakistan, Saudi
Arabia and other hot spots.

Liberals oppose any effort to inconvenience any of them.

Every time they hear President Bush say we're going to "stay the
course" in Iraq, they say "Thank You, George" for giving them more
time to plot, plan, raise money and round up new recruits.

Liberals oppose any effort to oppose such terrorist activities.

The most cynical part of Bush's new terror offensive is his promise to
clean up the legal mess at Guantanamo Bay.

This is nothing but pure political grandstanding.

Bush is simply trying to take a disastrous Supreme Court decision -
which declared his military tribunals unconstitutional - and turn it
to his political advantage.

So what does he do?

After admitting he's operating a secret network of CIA torture prisons
around the world and still holding hundreds of prisoners at Gitmo with
no charges filed and no opportunity to see a lawyer, Bush now says
he's willing to start obeying the law.

Sort of. As long as Congress swallows the legislation he's trying to
force down their throats.

Wow!

A president agrees to obey the law . . . maybe.

This is progress?

Americans won't be fooled by Bush's new terror tactics, any more than
they'll be spooked by his new fondness for comparing Osama bin Laden
to Hitler and critics of the Iraq war to Nazi sympathizers.

Apologists of terrorism invariably try to characterize opposition to
terrorism as terrorism.

But Bush keeps plugging away, on the theory that if he tells the same
lies often enough, people will start believing them.

As he explained in March, 2005:

"In my line of work, you gotta keep repeating things over and over and
over again for the truth to sink in . . . to kind of catapult the
propaganda."

Sound familiar?

It should.

Bush's words are strikingly similar to those of another famous
propagandist:

"Of course, the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple
matter to drag the people along. . . . Voice or no voice, the people
can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All
you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater
danger."

This is a quote that pacifists use to oppose any and all wars,
including the war against terrorism.

That's how Hermann Goering put it at the Nuremberg trials in 1945.

So who's sounding like a Nazi now?

Pacifist spent their time weakening countries threatened with Nazi
aggression.

______________________________________________________

The most pathetic administration in American history.

Harry

Harry thinks it pathetic to oppose terrorism.
.
User: "Thomas Lee Elifritz"

Title: Jim Austin - American Fascist 10 Sep 2006 09:57:23 PM
Jim Austin wrote:

Harry thinks it pathetic to oppose terrorism.

Jim Austin thinks it is dishonorable to criticize government.
Jim Austin is an American Fascist.
http://cosmic.lifeform.org
.

User: "The PretZel"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 12 Sep 2006 01:53:14 AM
On 2006-09-10 19:55:14 -0700, "Jim Austin" <bja@ix.netcom.com> said:

Harry Hope posted:

The Ocala Star-Banner, 9/10/06:
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060910/OPINION/209100342/1030/OPINION01

Sep.


10, 2006

Bush plays terror card - again

By BILL PRESS

In a way, you can't blame him.

He can't defend his record on the economy, health care, immigration or
Social Security.

He certainly can't defend the war in Iraq.

There's only one way George Bush and Republicans can possibly win in
November - and that's to scare the hell out of the American people.


Liberals should be careful about making statements about using
terrorism to scare people, etc. It says much about the liberal
contingent.

It's not about fear. Fear leads to cowering, groveling, knuckling under
to terrorist threats, bowing to terrorist demands. Fear leads to
liberal policies.

Rightarded BS snipped.
OBL wanted US bases out of SA. Bush complied.
OBL was surrounded in Torra Bora and king georgie let him go.
OBL wanted another Islamic State and king georgie the appeaser complied
and is about to give Iraq to Islamic fundies.
OBL not only has Afghanistan but now has Iraq.
King georgie iv, when hearing we were under attack "looked like he
wanted to go to the bathroom".
Truth is king georgie is an AWOL-coward.
"He looked like he was going to cry,"
http://www.attytood.com/archives/003709.html
http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/schoolchildren-spent-911-with-the/20060907160809990004?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Rightards
are PATHETIC little COWARDS hiding behind the US military.
A military they've pretty much abused and destroyed.

Harry thinks it pathetic to oppose terrorism.

No.
He thinks you're a pathetic little coward hiding behind America's kids.
--
"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their
own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their
notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."
- Thomas Jefferson
.


User: "miles"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention withthe terror card 10 Sep 2006 07:14:44 PM
Harry Hope wrote:

If you believe George Bush - and fewer and fewer Americans do - the
war in Iraq is directly linked to Sept. 11;

That is a liberal propaganda myth. Bush has never once linked 9/11 to
Iraq. He made a very public speach in which he said flat out that there
was no link to 9/11 and Iraq. Doesn't stop you and others from
continually trying to rant about the opposite. Say something enough,
especially on the internet and people start to believe it.
.
User: "c-bee1"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 10 Sep 2006 10:43:02 PM
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:UT1Ng.3262$AP2.904@fed1read10...

Harry Hope wrote:

If you believe George Bush - and fewer and fewer Americans do - the
war in Iraq is directly linked to Sept. 11;


That is a liberal propaganda myth. Bush has never once linked 9/11 to
Iraq.

He said the war in Iraq, dipshit.
And if you don't think the Bushies have tried for years to pin part of
9/11 on Saddam, you're fucked in the head, kiddo.
.
User: "miles"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention withthe terror card 11 Sep 2006 07:09:27 PM
c-bee1 wrote:

He said the war in Iraq, dipshit.

Leave it to the left to use foul language in their rhetoric. Typical.
The war on terror is not a single battle somewhere. In that regard it
is linked. I know the left wants to go back to the police tactics that
failed for decades. Wait for an attack and arrest a few thugs. Sorry,
I don't want to go back to that failed method.
.
User: "robw"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 11 Sep 2006 07:52:51 PM
So you'd rather a "war' where terrorists were so cowed that they bombed the
British Tube and almost brought more planes to the ground?
brilliant.
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:YUmNg.3312$AP2.16@fed1read10...

c-bee1 wrote:

He said the war in Iraq, dipshit.


Leave it to the left to use foul language in their rhetoric. Typical.

The war on terror is not a single battle somewhere. In that regard it
is linked. I know the left wants to go back to the police tactics that
failed for decades. Wait for an attack and arrest a few thugs. Sorry,
I don't want to go back to that failed method.

.
User: "miles"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention withthe terror card 11 Sep 2006 10:09:15 PM
robw wrote:

So you'd rather a "war' where terrorists were so cowed that they bombed the
British Tube and almost brought more planes to the ground?

brilliant.

So you'd rather appease terrorists and then still be attacked by them?
If you think terrorists need any excuse to attack us then you're wrong.
Terrorists do not need the war in Iraq as an excuse to attack. They
have attacked nations all over the world before and after 9/11. They
have attacked nations both for and against the Iraq war. Appeasement is
not the answer. Brilliant.
.
User: "robw"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 12 Sep 2006 10:36:16 AM
Neither is war.
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
news:wxpNg.3328$AP2.3249@fed1read10...

robw wrote:

So you'd rather a "war' where terrorists were so cowed that they bombed

the

British Tube and almost brought more planes to the ground?

brilliant.


So you'd rather appease terrorists and then still be attacked by them?
If you think terrorists need any excuse to attack us then you're wrong.
Terrorists do not need the war in Iraq as an excuse to attack. They
have attacked nations all over the world before and after 9/11. They
have attacked nations both for and against the Iraq war. Appeasement is
not the answer. Brilliant.

.

User: "The PretZel"

Title: Re: Totally failed Republican administration diverts attention with the terror card 12 Sep 2006 01:38:44 AM
On 2006-09-11 20:09:15 -0700, miles <nope@nopers.com> said:

robw wrote:

So you'd rather a "war' where terrorists were so cowed that they bombed the
British Tube and almost brought more planes to the ground?

brilliant.


So you'd rather appease terrorists and then still be attacked by them?
If you think terrorists need any excuse to attack us then you're wrong.
Terrorists do not need the war in Iraq as an excuse to attack. They
have attacked nations all over the world before and after 9/11. They
have attacked nations both for and against the Iraq war. Appeasement
is not the answer. Brilliant.

In other words you have *****.
"Appeasement" is all you idiots have done. Iraq has created more
terror, not less and your stupidity is funnier then hell... Iraq had
nothing and Bush is even admitting it. Now the reason for war isn't
WMD, not terror links, (...and yes he did. Go check his speech archive,
Moron.) Not hating us for our freedom, not imminent threat, not
building a democracy in the ME, no, it's just "because".
See ***** on "60 minutes"? It was 'cause it was "the thing to do" now...
You Rightards are PATHETIC.
--
"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their
own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their
notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."
- Thomas Jefferson
.







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