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Trees Won't Fix Global Warming |
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs—if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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13 Aug 2007 01:48:34 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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13 Aug 2007 10:03:11 AM |
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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| User: "Roger" |
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13 Aug 2007 05:26:36 PM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
No *****.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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13 Aug 2007 07:19:57 PM |
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:26:36 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:bks0c3tosdqru0n9ohk1iqcb4pe61j2rq0@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
You're dumb as a stump boy. All them green companies that are selling
you carbon offsets so you don't have to feel guilty for driving your
Hummer are now committing fraud by offering reforestation as a means
for trapping carbon.
No *****.
No *****.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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14 Aug 2007 01:03:02 AM |
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:26:36 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:bks0c3tosdqru0n9ohk1iqcb4pe61j2rq0@4ax.com...
On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
You're dumb as a stump boy. All them green companies that are selling
you carbon offsets so you don't have to feel guilty for driving your
Hummer are now committing fraud by offering reforestation as a means
for trapping carbon.
Trees. The trees. Who's got the tree plan???
Answer? Can you?
Nope.
No *****.
No *****.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on
their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
.
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14 Aug 2007 01:51:23 AM |
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:03:02 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:26:36 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
You're dumb as a stump boy. All them green companies that are selling
you carbon offsets so you don't have to feel guilty for driving your
Hummer are now committing fraud by offering reforestation as a means
for trapping carbon.
Trees. The trees. Who's got the tree plan???
Answer? Can you?
Dell
Plant a Tree for me. LOL.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/environment/en/tree?c=us&l=en&s=corp
The UN
http://www.unep.org/billiontreecampaign/
Tree Nation
http://www.tree-nation.com/
Nope.
Dope
No *****.
No *****.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on
their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 23:03:02 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 15:26:36 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 23:48:34 -0700, "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com>
wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:7rfvb395jp8q3hclfepjo0qcujit9mvr40@4ax.com...
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
Which plan is that?
Whose plan is that?
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
You're dumb as a stump boy. All them green companies that are selling
you carbon offsets so you don't have to feel guilty for driving your
Hummer are now committing fraud by offering reforestation as a means
for trapping carbon.
Trees. The trees. Who's got the tree plan???
Answer? Can you?
Dell
Plant a Tree for me. LOL.
http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/corp/environment/en/tree?c=us&l=en&s=corp
The UN
http://www.unep.org/billiontreecampaign/
Tree Nation
http://www.tree-nation.com/
Nope.
Dope
"the plan"
Guess how many that's refering to?
A couple dozen more of these back-and-forths and you might actually come up
with AN ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
No *****.
No *****.
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming
isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of
the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that
didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram
Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and
water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see
a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon
dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon
sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is
impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment
and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric
concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large
areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting
of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts
of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke
graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would
lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on
their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry
away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on
their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here,
not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they
alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them
suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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Roger wrote:
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
news:bks0c3tosdqru0n9ohk1iqcb4pe61j2rq0@4ax.com...
What plan is she talking about?
See carbon offsets.
No answer.
No *****.
"Captain Compassion" and the rest of you socialist freedom haters have to
realize that there is no such thing as global warming, it only exists in
the minds of communists, socialists, Jews, Muslims and other America haters
bent on destroying all the great things that we've accomplished with Bush
as our greatest President.
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12 Aug 2007 10:00:54 PM |
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OK Algore!!
We need to shut down all the factories worldwide. No more new products.
The value of my used ***** on ebay will be in the millions.
We need to ban all forms of transportation other than by foot.
We need to ban all forms of energy that require burning.
We need to go back to the 16th century.
The people of the cities starve to death.
The mexican problem finally solved.
The white farmers will become the new kings.
Captain Compassion wrote:
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswontfixglobalwarming
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs—if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
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12 Aug 2007 11:14:25 PM |
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On Aug 12, 7:21 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM EThttp://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswont...
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net
It will take a war or a worldwide plague.
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On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:14:25 -0000, JSM <ekrubmeg@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 12, 7:21 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Trees Won't Fix Global Warming
Andrea Thompson LiveScience Staff Writer
Sun Aug 12, 9:15 AM EThttp://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/20070812/sc_livescience/treeswont...
The plan to use trees as a way to suck up and store the extra carbon
dioxide emitted into Earth's atmosphere to combat global warming isn't
such a hot idea, new research indicates.
Scientists at Duke University bathed plots of North Carolina pine
trees in extra carbon dioxide every day for 10 years and found that
while the trees grew more tissue, only the trees that received the
most water and nutrients stored enough carbon dioxide to offset the
effects of global warming.
The Department of Energy-funded project, called the Free Air Carbon
Enrichment (FACE) experiment, compared four pine forest plots that
received daily doses of carbon dioxide 1.5 times current levels of the
greenhouse gas in Earth's atmosphere to four matched plots that didn't
receive any extra gas.
The treated trees produced about 20 percent more biomass on average,
but since water and nutrient availability differed across the plots,
averages don't tell the whole story, the researchers noted.
"In some areas, the growth is maybe five to 10 percent more, and in
other areas it's 40 percent more," said FACE project director Ram Oren
of Duke University. "So in sites that are poor in nutrients and water
we see very little response. In sites that are rich in both, we see a
large response."
These differences are key since the weather isn't always cooperative
with human needs-if a drought takes hold, trees won't be able to do
much in the way of carbon storage.
"If water availability decreases at the same time that carbon dioxide
increases, then we might not have a net gain in carbon sequestration,"
Oren said.
Fertilizing forests to spur more carbon dioxide uptake is impractical,
Oren added, because of the ramifications to the local environment and
water supply.
"In order to actually have an effect on the atmospheric concentration
of CO2, the results suggest a future need to fertilize vast areas,"
Oren said. "And the impact on water quality of fertilizing large areas
will be intolerable to society. Water is already a scarce resource."
The results of the study, presented yesterday at a national meeting of
the Ecological Society of America, also noted that only a few parts of
a tree will store carbon for long periods of time.
"Carbon that's in foliage is going to last a lot shorter time than
carbon in the wood, because leaves decay quickly," said Duke graduate
student and project member Heather McCarthy. "So elevated CO2 could
significantly increase the production of foliage, but this would lead
to only a very small increase in ecosystem carbon storage."
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net
It will take a war or a worldwide plague.
Still a lot of nukes rattling around.
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossessed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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