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User:	"Harry Hope"
Date:	15 Feb 2006 08:07:59 AM
Object:	Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.

From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:
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Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss
Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for keeping his
shooting escapade secret last weekend?
President Bush either kept it hidden just as long--or, equally
disturbing, maybe he did not find out about Cheney's role as shooter
until much later.
By Greg Mitchell
While Vice President Cheney continues to catch flak for grossly
mishandling the aftermath of the shooting in Texas last Saturday, it
is amazing that, relatively speaking, his boss, President Bush, is not
drawing just as much blame.
True, Cheney deserves extra scrutiny for breaking several cardinal
rules of hunting when he plugged Mr. Whittington, and for whatever
else he may be hiding.
But as for the slow reporting of the incident--with a nod to Watergate
we will call it "the 18 ½ hour gap"--why is the media dumping it
mainly on Vice when perhaps it should be versa?
Isn’t the president in charge here?

Good question.
And what if the president, contrary to the official story, was not
told about Cheney as shootist on Saturday night?
As Thomas Friedman likes to say: Let me explain.
According to the White House, in its updated timeline, Bush found out
that Cheney was the triggerman about 8 p.m. Saturday (from Karl
Rove)--and yet in all of the accounts, many conflicting, of how the
story emerged the next day, the president is never mentioned as having
any role in the disclosure.
The ranch hostess/chief witness Katharine Armstrong first told us that
she and her mother made the decision to go public of their own
"volition," as she put, on Sunday morning, leading to the now-famous
phone call to the Corpus Christi newsroom.
Later she said that she had run the idea past Cheney on Sunday morning
and he approved it, or at least said it was up to her.
Now the official narrative is that he discussed it with her Saturday
night and they directed the disclosure "together."
Note in all this: no mention of the president.
What we seem to know for certain is that his press secretary was not
told about Cheney’s role until 6 a.m. on Sunday.
In other words, if we accept the White House version of events, Bush
was informed about 8 p.m. Saturday--and did not inform his press
secretary until the next morning, did not talk to his vice president,
in fact, did not seem to have any input on telling or holding the
story.
So why isn’t Bush getting hammered for that?
Why is so much of the focus on Cheney?
The president of the United States, in this version, heard about his
veep shooting a man in the face and chest and did not direct him or
anyone else to report this to the nation?
In fact, based on her original quotes, we might assume that we would
have never heard about it at all if Katharine Armstrong had not tipped
off the local reporter.
So, at a minimum, accepting Bush’s story at face value, he should be
sharing blame on the 18 ½ hour gap, or even taking the lion's share,
since he is, supposedly, the man in charge.
But consider another possibility, which has the added benefit of also
being an explanation for all of the above:
that the story that Bush learned about Cheney’s as gunman Saturday may
not be true... that the president was among the millions of Americans
that Cheney wanted to keep in the dark about this detail.
Space prevents me from printing the entirety of Scott McClellan’s
press briefing on Monday.
But if you read it (at www.whitehouse.gov) you may be amazed to count
the number of times he is asked about when Bush was told about
Cheney’s trigger-happy role.
Over and over McClellan obfuscates, stating that much information
developed "overnight," arrived at the White House during the wee
hours—he mentions 3 a.m., for example.
Typical exchange:
"When did the President know that the Vice President was the shooter?
What time? "
"Again, there was additional information coming in that night. And the
details continued to come in throughout the morning, into the Sunday
morning time period."
It’s clear, to me at least, that he is trying to filibuster and hope
the reporters let go of that, and accept his very, very, vague
timeline.
At other points he seems on the verge of admitting that this news only
arrived in the middle of the night.
Finally, when the questions keep coming, he states--sort of--that,
yes, the president was told Saturday evening, though even then he does
not mention a time, which surely should have been in the front of his
mind when he stepped out to attend this key briefing.
This was nearly two days after the shooting and the White House still
didn’t have its facts straight.
It took a press release later Monday to spell out that Bush supposedly
learned about Cheney as shooter around 8:00 p.m. Saturday.
In any event, Bush is now trapped.
If he'd admitted that no one woke him up to tell him, and that’s why
McClellan didn’t know until Sunday morning, that would have painted a
very troubling (though not fresh) picture of a disengaged #1 man who
is actually, at best, #2.
But at least it would suggest that Bush took action and ordered the
story out when he did find out about it.
Yet in declaring that he did know about Cheney’s role at 8 p.m.
Saturday--and did absolutely nothing to tell anyone about it--an even
more disturbing, and perhaps sinister, picture of the true arrogance
of power may emerge.
Wait until more evidence seeps out.
Here's a fresh tidbit:
Late Tuesday, the Secret Service related that the shooting actually
took place at 5:50 p.m. Saturday, 20 minutes later than previously
stated--and therefore, right up against sunset.
________________________________________________________
The plot thickens.
Harry
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User: "Billy"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	15 Feb 2006 09:48:29 AM

"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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There is no "Blame" There would have to be something wrong in not telling
the press,fotere to be blame. It's Just a bunch of reporters that got their
butt hurt when Cheney did not "Report to them" And them some crack pot
liberals whining, like normal.
.

User: "Kel"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 10:42:40 AM

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There is no "Blame"

I don't know how you do things in the states, but over here in the UK,
Cheney could be charged for leaving the scene before police had interviewed
him. The first thing that would be done after any accident of this sort is
that the shooter would have to be breathalised.
Cheney made himself unavailable for any such test for eighteen hours. That's
what's suspicious.
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User: "Billy"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 04:14:52 PM

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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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There is no "Blame"

I don't know how you do things in the states, but over here in the UK,
Cheney could be charged for leaving the scene before police had
interviewed him. The first thing that would be done after any accident of
this sort is that the shooter would have to be breathalised.

Cheney made himself unavailable for any such test for eighteen hours.
That's what's suspicious.

The police were called he did not "make himself unavailable"
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User: "Kel"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 01:59:26 AM

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There is no "Blame"

I don't know how you do things in the states, but over here in the UK,
Cheney could be charged for leaving the scene before police had
interviewed him. The first thing that would be done after any accident of
this sort is that the shooter would have to be breathalised.

Cheney made himself unavailable for any such test for eighteen hours.
That's what's suspicious.

The police were called he did not "make himself unavailable"

The police did not have access to Cheney for 18 hours.
.

User: "Billy"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 09:57:57 AM

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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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There is no "Blame"

I don't know how you do things in the states, but over here in the UK,
Cheney could be charged for leaving the scene before police had
interviewed him. The first thing that would be done after any accident
of this sort is that the shooter would have to be breathalised.

Cheney made himself unavailable for any such test for eighteen hours.
That's what's suspicious.

The police were called he did not "make himself unavailable"

The police did not have access to Cheney for 18 hours.

They had access, they didn't use it for 18 hours, or whatever it was.
.

User: "wrab"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 05:57:25 PM

'The police were called he [Mr. Cheney] did not "make himself
unavailable"'
He made himself available some 14 hours after the incident. But you
know that; why try to mislead your readers?
.

User: "Billy"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 06:31:18 PM

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'The police were called he [Mr. Cheney] did not "make himself
unavailable"'
He made himself available some 14 hours after the incident. But you
know that; why try to mislead your readers?

Kenedy County Sheriff Ramon Salinas III said he knew about the incident
Saturday evening and decided then not interview witnesses based on
information from others that the shooting was accidental.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/washington/stories/021406dntexcheney2.b3af73d.html
.

User: "wrab"
Title: Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 07:59:07 PM

Billy wrote:

"wrab" <wrab@usa.com> wrote in message
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'The police were called he [Mr. Cheney] did not "make himself
unavailable"'
He made himself available some 14 hours after the incident. But you
know that; why try to mislead your readers?

Exactly. Second-hand info, from persons beholden to the Bush
administration and/or Armstrong employment. Nothing first-hand until at
least 14 hours. You know that.
.

User: "mr. snerdly"
Title: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	15 Feb 2006 01:06:38 PM

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More News!
The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....
Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House
By DAVID E. SANGER
Published: February 15, 2006
WASHINGTON, Feb. 14 - When the White House press secretary, Scott
McClellan, came to the press room just before 10 a.m. Tuesday and
suggested he was wearing an orange tie to avoid a stray shot from Vice
President ***** Cheney, it seemed to signal an effort to defuse the
accidental-shooting story with a laugh.
But by midday, it was clear that the staffs of the president and the
vice president had failed to communicate. Just after arriving at work
around 7:45 a.m., Mr. Cheney learned that the man he had shot, Harry M.
Whittington, was about to undergo a medical procedure on his heart
because his injuries were more serious than earlier believed, Mr.
Cheney's spokeswoman said.
No one in Mr. Cheney's office passed the word to Mr. McClellan, senior
officials at the White House said, adding that the press secretary
would never have joked about the shooting accident if he had known
about the turn of events involving Mr. Whittington.
It was the latest example of the degree to which Mr. Cheney's habit of
living in his own world in the Bush White House - surrounded by his
own staff, relying on his own instincts, saying as little as possible
- had backfired since the accident in Texas on Saturday. Mr. Cheney's
staff members have kept their comments to chronological details and to
repeating the vice president's written statements.
The tension between President Bush's staff and Mr. Cheney's has been
palpable, with White House officials whispering to reporters about how
they tried to handle the news of the shooting differently. Mr.
McClellan, while being careful not to cross Mr. Cheney or his aides
directly, has made a point of reminding reporters of how he dealt with
Mr. Bush's bicycle accident last summer, when the president collided
with a Scottish policeman at the G-8 summit.
"I immediately briefed the press on how the accident had happened, and
the condition of the police officer," who was taken to the hospital
with minor injuries, Mr. McClellan said.
His message was clear: There was a procedure for conveying this kind of
news, and it was not followed in this case.
The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: Mr. Cheney plays by rules of his own
making. It is the freedom that only a political figure who knows he is
in his last job - he often says he will never run again - can get
away with.
"What he did was not an irrational thing," said Mary Matalin, Mr.
Cheney's former communications adviser, who spoke to him Sunday
morning. "This was a very close friend this happened to. Everyone was
shaken up about it. When I spoke to him, it was all about Harry,
worrying about him," not whether he should get a statement out, or let
his South Texas host tell a local newspaper.
To others, though, it is a telling example of the cocoon Mr. Cheney has
created within the White House.
Even at the most secure meetings in the White House situation room, Mr.
Cheney tends to ask questions but leave the participants guessing about
his own views - largely, his colleagues say they suspect, for fear of
leaks. His movements, once hidden for security reasons, are now often
cloaked out of habit. Several senior members of the administration said
they were not told of the shooting accident until late Sunday.
Several White House officials said no one among the White House staff,
including the chief of staff, Andrew H. Card Jr., felt empowered to
dictate how news of the accident would be handled.
Presumably Mr. Bush could have declared how the news would be
disseminated, something he does often on policy matters. Until this
week, the periodic disconnect between Mr. Cheney's office and the rest
of the White House has been the source of grumbling, but rarely open
tension. The most notable exception came in August 2002, when Mr.
Cheney, delivering a speech about Iraq, spoke so disparagingly about
the utility of past United Nations weapons inspections that he left the
impression that the administration would never again use inspections in
an effort to assess the threat of Saddam Hussein.
In fact, Mr. Bush had decided to try to send inspectors back in, at
least for a while, and it was left to Condoleezza Rice, then the
national security adviser, to call Mr. Cheney and get him to strike
that wording from a speech he was giving a few days later.
In the past five years, Mr. Cheney has grown accustomed to having a
power center of his own, with his own miniature version of a national
security council staff. It conducts policy debates that often happen
parallel those among Mr. Bush's staff.
But the team Mr. Cheney relies on has changed in recent months. The
departure of I. Lewis Libby Jr., who was indicted late last year on
charges stemming from the investigation into the leak of a C.I.A.
officer's name, left Mr. Cheney without one of his chief confidantes.
His most recent communications chief, Steve Schmidt, also departed, to
run the re-election campaign of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of
California.
It was unclear if their presence would have made a difference last
weekend, when the accident was not disclosed publicly for more than 18
hours. Some former White House officials put the blame for that
squarely on Mr. Cheney.
Marlin Fitzwater, who was press secretary to the first President Bush
(when Mr. Cheney served as defense secretary), said he was "appalled"
at how the vice president handled the news of a serious accident.
"The responsibility for handling this, of course, was Cheney's," Mr.
Fitzwater was quoted as saying in the online edition of Editor and
Publisher. "What he should have done was call his press secretary and
tell her what happened, and she then would have gotten a hold of the
doctor and asked him what happened."
A full account could have been put out "in about two hours on
Saturday," he said.
Ari Fleischer, Mr. McClellan's predecessor, said Tuesday that he
suspected the reason Mr. Cheney failed to say anything publicly was
because he viewed the hunting trip and the accident as part of his
private life, not his public one.
"If this had been a question of fundamental policy," Mr. Fleischer
said, "the president's staff and the veep's staff would have gotten
together."
copyright nyt.com 2006

User: "Billy"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	15 Feb 2006 01:34:06 PM

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Billy wrote:

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More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House

Only in the press room.

User: "Larry Hewitt"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	15 Feb 2006 10:40:25 PM

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Billy wrote:

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_ president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.
He's ***** Cheney, superhero.
Larry

Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House

Only in the press room.

User: "Billy"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 12:16:46 AM

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Billy wrote:

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the press?

Larry

Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House

Only in the press room.

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Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	16 Feb 2006 12:37:21 AM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because he was
sure he had beoken no laws??
He failed to et a permit.
He was drinking prior to the hunt.
He was huntign by car.
He shot another person.
He was terrified Whittington would die, leading to manslaughter chrges.
Anyone without the secret service running interference for them would have
spent the night in jail.
Larry

Larry

Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House

Only in the press room.

User: "CHUCK MARTIN"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 12:09:22 PM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

He was huntign by car.

He shot another person.

He was terrified Whittington would die, leading to manslaughter chrges.

Anyone without the secret service running interference for them would have
spent the night in jail.

Larry

these facts dont mean anything to a dirtbag republi con nazi. they go by
their own rules, at least for a few more years before the change
.

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Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 10:04:30 AM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

He shot another person.

yes he did

He was terrified Whittington would die,

I'm sure he was.
leading to manslaughter chrges.
Get spell check, one or two typos are acceptable, but you are over your
limit.

Anyone without the secret service running interference for them would have
spent the night in jail.

The real question is, are you wrong or lying?
.

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems. Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I
have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,
and often they say not to operate heavy machinery while taking them.
But Cheney drank on them an operated dangerous equipment anyway. Here in
South Carolina if he had an automobile accident while behaving this way he
would have been arrested even if no one had been hurt.
He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.
There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals. He lost awareness of the position of a member of his
party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no). There was beer in the car, according to
his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.
Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.
Larry

He was terrified Whittington would die,

I'm sure he was.

leading to manslaughter chrges.

Get spell check, one or two typos are acceptable, but you are over your
limit.

Anyone without the secret service running interference for them would

have

spent the night in jail.

The real question is, are you wrong or lying?

User: "Billy"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 12:56:31 PM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems.

You ASSUME
Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,

You don't know if he is taking them, and if he is taking them you don't know
what they are, yet you are ready to ASSUME the doctors instructions were not
followed. Even if all of your ASSUMPTIONS were correct, it is not illegal
to ignore the doctors advice.

and often they say not to operate heavy machinery while taking them.

But Cheney drank on them an operated dangerous equipment anyway. Here in
South Carolina if he had an automobile accident while behaving this way he
would have been arrested even if no one had been hurt.

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting area
and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.
He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up
There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.
.

User: "Larry Hewitt"
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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has

always

been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of

his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of

his

made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his

recent

leg problems.

You ASSUME

No assumptoin. The WHite House has acjmowledged this every time he goes into
the hosptial.

Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking

them,

You don't know if he is taking them, and if he is taking them you don't

know

what they are, yet you are ready to ASSUME the doctors instructions were

not

followed. Even if all of your ASSUMPTIONS were correct, it is not illegal
to ignore the doctors advice.

My god, your sycophantic support of Cheney is mindboggling.
SUggesting that the VP would not takes his medication after 4 heart
attacks, who knows how many incidents, and recent visits to the hospital he
does not take his meds??
He cares so little about performing his duties that he risks death (hunting
was bad enough) by not taking hte meds that are suosed to keep his heart
going.
You are one sick dude.
Larry

would have been arrested even if no one had been hurt.

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety

rules

of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting

area

and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.

He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up

There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.

User: "mr. snerdly"
Title: Why the Cheney shooting resonates ... (from TNR) Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 02:59:11 PM

`... In this corner you have Darth Cheney, the scariest man in America,
the kind of guy you can imagine killing an Iraqi insurgent or a
smart-mouthed TV producer with his bare hands. As such, jokes like Jon
Stewart's parental warning not to let kids go hunting with the VP or
"he'll shoot them in the face" ring too true. Whatever your
antagonistic feelings toward our genial president (and I have plenty),
the image of him gunning down an old man in a field just doesn't have
the same resonance.
What gels all too well with W.'s image, however, is the White House's
deferential, let-Daddy-*****-do-whatever-he-thinks-is-best response. I'm
sorry, Andy Card gets a phone call from Texas saying there's been an
incident with the VP's hunting party, and the chief of staff--while
clearly told that Cheney himself wasn't harmed--doesn't bother to find
out whether the VP was involved? I mean, if the incident was important
enough to merit a phone call, wouldn't it have occurred to someone to
ask whether the team of highly paid professionals at the White House
press office should possibly, maybe,
provided-it's-ok-with-the-VP-of-course get involved--especially since,
as Cheney has noted, he didn't have any press people traveling with
him? It doesn't take a screaming liberal Bush-hater to see how the
White House's no response feeds the image of Little Georgie as Cheney's
dancing monkey.
In an even more poetic vein, the events in question fit perfectly into
the grand literary tradition of the hero's tragic flaw. For Cheney, as
with so many kings through the ages, this is obviously arrogance. The
man cannot stand the idea that he should in any way be accountable for
anything to anyone--much less the weak, sniveling, unwashed mass of
voters he ostensibly serves. (As if the notion of Cheney serving anyone
isn't laugh-out-loud funny.) Seriously. The man could be caught on film
slow roasting babies over a burning, swastika-adorned crucifix and he
would simply shrug, sneer, and growl something about national security
and the unitary executive theory. .... `
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=w060213&s=cottle021706
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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems.

You ASSUME

Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting area
and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.

He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up

There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.

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Title: Why the Cheney shooting resonates ... (from TNR) Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 02:59:11 PM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

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Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems.

You ASSUME

Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting area
and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.

He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up

There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.

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Title: Why the Cheney shooting resonates ... (from TNR) Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 02:59:12 PM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

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Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems.

You ASSUME

Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting area
and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.

He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up

There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.

User: "mr. snerdly"
Title: Why the Cheney shooting resonates ... (from TNR) Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 02:59:13 PM

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his

own

making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because
he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

So you admit he broke the law.

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.

Any alcohol that day counts as drinking.

He was huntign by car.

so?

Frowned upon by hunters as dangerous. Getting in out out of cars with
loaded
weapons is inherently dangerous and considered by many to be a sign of a
disregard for safety. At least that;s what that bastioon of liberal
journalism, _Field and Stream_ says.

He shot another person.

yes he did

So, lets recap. He was on medication for his heart problems and his recent
leg problems.

You ASSUME

Now, we don;t know exactly what that medication was, but I

have yet to run across any of htose that allow drinking while taking them,

Are you ASSUMING he was in South carolina?

He was not following guidelines for safety. They apparently had no dogs.

Do dogs make it safer?

There were three hunters and no guide, as opposed to standard safety rules
of 2 hunters and a guide, as outlined by _Field and Stream_ and other
hunter's manuals.

LOL, I would bet 95% of hunters don't have a guide, I would also bet you
came across a filed and stream article talking about a specific hunting area
and ASSUMED it was the same for everywhere.

He lost awareness of the position of a member of his

party, yet shot anyway. He either failed too observe a strictly defined
shooting area, wheeling around and shooting behind him (big no no). He
shot
low to the ground ( a bigger no no).

He admitted he screwed up

There was beer in the car, according to

his hostess. SHows a recklless disregard for human safety.

I did not see or hear anything about that. Post a cite please.

Any reasonable person would have strong fers that the police would be
unhappy.

Well he may be guily of having stong fers, I'll give you that one.

User: "CHUCK MARTIN"
Title: Re: "Handling of Mishap Creates Strain in the White House"! Re: Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss.	17 Feb 2006 12:40:29 PM

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Billy wrote:

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From Editor and Publisher, 2/14/06:

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001998206

Troubling Questions About Cheney's Boss

Why is the vice president getting nearly all the blame for
keeping

his

shooting escapade secret last weekend?

More News!

The past three days have underscored, in public, what has always
been
clear in the Bush White House: ***** Cheney plays by rules of his
own
making.....

Good for him

Yeah. Only wimps obey the law. And even though he is only _vice_
president,
he don;t have to pay attention to his boss.

He's ***** Cheney, superhero.

Are you fool enough to think some law was broken for not telling the

press?

Are you fool enough to think Cheney avoided telling the press because he
was
sure he had beoken no laws??

He failed to et a permit.

Oh boo hoo, he got the $150.00 one but not the $07.00, an employee of his
made a mistake.

when it's a republi con scum bag it's always a mistake. but let a democrat
do the same and it's execution time

He was drinking prior to the hunt.

1 beer 4 hours prior, does not count as drinking.