Want to know an open secret?
Truth exists.
Oh, no. I just ***** people around the world. The concept of
relative truth is essential for many groups to prop up themselves.
Homosexuality...Drugs Abuse...Terrorism...etc. ALL of society's ills
have one thing in common. Those involved in them believe truth is
relative. Good and Evil are of their own definition.
The Columbine killers held this concept. They believed that morality
was relative, so shooting up a public school was just their "good" and
should be allowed. In a relative morality worldview, they are right.
The problem is that there is no such thing as relative morality.
Let's use some scientific reasoning here. If I step off a building, I
will fall. If I slap a police officer, I will go to jail. Belief in
realities isn't required to face the result of one's actions.
There is a good and an evil. Now, the devil can call his action good
if He wants to, but would you call murder a good thing? What about
theft? If someone stole from you, will you praise them?
People have been trying to tell God He is wrong for years. They tell
Him that they know better than God how to live their lives. They live
lives outside of God's laws for society and expect not to face the
consequences. Hit a ball in the air, and it will come down. Swing a
pail of water, and the water will stay in the pail. Do drugs, and you
will get addicted. Defy your creator, and your creation will not go
as you wish it to. It's all simple logic.
Truth exists, and the greatest truth is.. God is love. If you want to
have more love in your life, invite Him in.
http://beingone.20m.com/providence.html
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| User: "Immortalist" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
12 May 2004 10:31:44 AM |
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"K C" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Want to know an open secret?
Truth exists.
The truth is you don't want to be hurt, tortured or killed and you know pretty
well that others think the same...therefore
These are the ten moral rules that all rational persons would want to be part of
the public system that applies to all rational persons. No one should be
surprised by these ten rules. These are all obvious, simple rules that everyone
is supposed to follow regardless of what their personal goal in life is. Careful
attention to these rules shows that they primarily set limits on what one is
morally allowed to do. They do not provide a positive goal for life. This is done
by another part of the moral system, what I call the moral ideals.
By an evil or a harm, I simply mean something that you would always avoid for
your self or your friends unless you had some reason for not avoiding it. I
define a good or a benefit in a similar way, as something you would not avoid for
yourself and your friends unless you had some reason to. I claim that, in the
sense I have given to the terms, we all agree on what the goods and evils are,
i.e., we all have the same basic values.
FUNDAMENTAL
Do not Kill
Do not Cause Pain
Do not Disable
Do not Deprive of Freedom
Do not Deprive of Pleasure.
[doesn't apply to terrorists]
DERIVETIVE
Don't Deceive
Keep Your Promise
Don't Cheat
Obey the Law
Do Your Duty--where Duty includes those actions you are required to do by your
job, your position, your family, your circumstances, etc., e.g., a teacher has a
duty to show up for class.
THE MORAL IDEALS
Now I am going to make explicit the moral ideals. Moral ideals are those precepts
that tell you to help others, to prevent the suffering of pain and disability
etc. Following the moral ideals goes beyond what is required by the rules, but
that does not mean that in a conflict between the rules and the ideals, one
should always follow the rules. For example, everyone agrees that you can break a
promise to meet someone at the movies, if it is necessary to save a life. The
moral ideal of saving a life justifies your breaking this moral rule. The moral
rules and moral ideals are both important, and sometimes one should take
precedence over the other, sometimes the reverse. It depends on what rules and
ideals are involved. It depends on the particular circumstances. But there is an
important difference between the rules and the ideals. The rules tell you not to
cause an evil, e.g., do not cause pain; the ideals tell you to prevent or relieve
evil being suffered, e.g., relieve pain.
You will notice that the moral rules can be obeyed with regard to all people, all
of the time, equally. You can obey the moral rules impartially with regard to all
people all the time, twenty-four hours a day, seven day a week, fifty-two weeks a
year. You can obey them when you are alone on a desert island, in fact, you
cannot help but obey them when you are alone on a desert island. The situation is
really different with regard to the moral ideals. You cannot be following the
moral ideals twenty-four hours a day. You have to sleep sometime, and when you
are sleeping you are not following the moral ideals. This is a significant
difference between the moral ideals and the moral rules, e.g., all of you reading
this essay are right now obeying all of the moral rules, but none of you right
now are obeying any of the moral ideals. Reading this essay may lead you to
follow moral ideals, but right at this minute, you are not following them,
whereas you are obeying all of the moral rules.
This difference between the rules and the ideals leads to another difference: it
is appropriate to punish people for not obeying the moral rules, but it is not
appropriate to punish them for not following the moral ideals. When would you
punish them?
http://aristotle.tamu.edu/~rasmith/Courses/251/gert-paper.html
Oh, no. I just ***** people around the world. The concept of
relative truth is essential for many groups to prop up themselves.
Homosexuality...Drugs Abuse...Terrorism...etc. ALL of society's ills
have one thing in common. Those involved in them believe truth is
relative. Good and Evil are of their own definition.
The Columbine killers held this concept. They believed that morality
was relative, so shooting up a public school was just their "good" and
should be allowed. In a relative morality worldview, they are right.
The problem is that there is no such thing as relative morality.
Let's use some scientific reasoning here. If I step off a building, I
will fall. If I slap a police officer, I will go to jail. Belief in
realities isn't required to face the result of one's actions.
There is a good and an evil. Now, the devil can call his action good
if He wants to, but would you call murder a good thing? What about
theft? If someone stole from you, will you praise them?
People have been trying to tell God He is wrong for years. They tell
Him that they know better than God how to live their lives. They live
lives outside of God's laws for society and expect not to face the
consequences. Hit a ball in the air, and it will come down. Swing a
pail of water, and the water will stay in the pail. Do drugs, and you
will get addicted. Defy your creator, and your creation will not go
as you wish it to. It's all simple logic.
Truth exists, and the greatest truth is.. God is love. If you want to
have more love in your life, invite Him in.
http://beingone.20m.com/providence.html
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
12 May 2004 05:42:30 PM |
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"K C" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2aab65fe.0405120716.60b2eb5e@posting.google.com...
Want to know an open secret?
Truth exists.
Want to know reality - neither you, nor anyone else, has any lock on
"truth".
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| User: "K C" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
13 May 2004 09:02:53 AM |
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Every response has proven my thesis.
kands00@hotmail.com (K C) wrote in message news:<2aab65fe.0405120716.60b2eb5e@posting.google.com>...
Want to know an open secret?
Truth exists.
Oh, no. I just ***** people around the world. The concept of
relative truth is essential for many groups to prop up themselves.
Homosexuality...Drugs Abuse...Terrorism...etc. ALL of society's ills
have one thing in common. Those involved in them believe truth is
relative. Good and Evil are of their own definition.
The Columbine killers held this concept. They believed that morality
was relative, so shooting up a public school was just their "good" and
should be allowed. In a relative morality worldview, they are right.
The problem is that there is no such thing as relative morality.
Let's use some scientific reasoning here. If I step off a building, I
will fall. If I slap a police officer, I will go to jail. Belief in
realities isn't required to face the result of one's actions.
There is a good and an evil. Now, the devil can call his action good
if He wants to, but would you call murder a good thing? What about
theft? If someone stole from you, will you praise them?
People have been trying to tell God He is wrong for years. They tell
Him that they know better than God how to live their lives. They live
lives outside of God's laws for society and expect not to face the
consequences. Hit a ball in the air, and it will come down. Swing a
pail of water, and the water will stay in the pail. Do drugs, and you
will get addicted. Defy your creator, and your creation will not go
as you wish it to. It's all simple logic.
Truth exists, and the greatest truth is.. God is love. If you want to
have more love in your life, invite Him in.
http://beingone.20m.com/providence.html
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| User: "Robyn Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
13 May 2004 04:35:02 PM |
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"K C" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2aab65fe.0405130602.47b08ef9@posting.google.com...
Every response has proven my thesis.
Good old mad Ken! Only in your mind pal..
oxoxox
Robyn
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
13 May 2004 01:18:42 PM |
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On 13 May 2004 07:02:53 -0700, (K C) wrote:
Every response has proven my thesis.
Only in your own mind.
And your failure to even attempt a rebuttal proves it.
## Are you a man or a mouse? Squeak up!
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| User: "John Ings" |
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| Title: Re: Truth about Truth |
12 May 2004 12:49:30 PM |
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On 12 May 2004 08:16:22 -0700, (K C) wrote:
Want to know an open secret?
Truth exists.
Sure it does.
Oh, no. I just ***** people around the world. The concept of
relative truth is essential for many groups to prop up themselves.
*****.
Homosexuality...Drugs Abuse...Terrorism...etc. ALL of society's ills
have one thing in common. Those involved in them believe truth is
relative.
Nonsense.
Good and Evil are of their own definition.
Yes. But good and evil aren't truths. They are matters of opinion.
Often your good is my evil and your evil is my good.
The Columbine killers held this concept. They believed that morality
was relative, so shooting up a public school was just their "good" and
should be allowed.
In their opinion. But they were well aware it wasn't good in ours, and
that the police were prepared to kill them in the process of enforcing
society's idea of good.
In a relative morality worldview, they are right.
In their opinion. Not in ours.
The problem is that there is no such thing as relative morality.
Unfortunately the problem is that relative morality is the ONLY kind
there is.
Let's use some scientific reasoning here.
I doubt very much that you know how.
If I step off a building, I will fall.
That's an objective matter.
If I slap a police officer, I will go to jail.
That's a subjective matter. It's up to the police officer. His call.
Belief in
realities isn't required to face the result of one's actions.
But the result of one's actions often involve someone's opinions,
prejudices, biases, and bigotries.
There is a good and an evil.
But which is which depends on who you ask.
Now, the devil can call his action good if He wants to,
And you can call your actions good if you want to, but that does not
necessarily make them good from my viewpoint.
but would you call murder a good thing?
The usual trick, if you think killing is a good thing is to term it
something other than murder. Justifiable homicide, mercy killing, act
of war. Sometimes we even hand out medals to those who were good at
it.
What about theft?
Suppose you call it usurious but legal interest rates instead?
If someone stole from you, will you praise them?
If you stole from a mafia drug lord, is it evil?
People have been trying to tell God He is wrong for years.
No KC. It's not God we're debating, it's the Bible and guys like you.
We've been telling you that YOU'RE wrong for years!
They tell
Him that they know better than God how to live their lives.
No we tell YOU we know better than ancient Bible writers.
We don't condone slavery for instance, or propose the death penalty
for insolent sons.
They live lives outside of God's laws for society
As do you!
and expect not to face the consequences.
Indeed.
Hit a ball in the air, and it will come down. Swing a
pail of water, and the water will stay in the pail. Do drugs, and you
will get addicted. Defy your creator, and your creation will not go
as you wish it to. It's all simple logic.
Emphasis on 'simple' there. As is oversimplified and unsubstantiated.
Truth exists, and the greatest truth is.. God is love.
He just has the really, really weird way of showing it!
## There can be little liberty on earth
## while men worship a tyrant in Heaven.
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