On Aug 26, 12:48 pm, "robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote:

10:15 on a Sunday morn.

Shouldn't you have been in church??

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in

A reflection on truth.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I
felt compelled to post a few posts in various online groups with John
14:6, Jesus saying HE is the ONLY way to the Father. I asked if this
was true or a lie by Jesus.

Then, I had one particular online (I believe demonically possessed
from my many interactions with him) individual start with the
pluralist argument that God is capable of saving people from other
religions through Christ. So, I got more direct and quoted John 3:18
with Jesus, Himself, saying that those that don't believe in Him are
condemned...as well as other Scriptures on the same topic. To this,
he replied that they were out of context (despite being full direct
quotes) interpretations of Scriptures that may not have actually been
the words of Jesus. I replied by thanking Him for admitting he must
discredit the Bible to be true to deny that Jesus is the only way to
Heaven. His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth? Sometimes truth can include a lie? Our opinion of
truth is more TRUE than accuracy or being correct? We have destroyed
truth.

I guess that we can tell the judge at our hearing for whatever crime
we are innocent by way of our ignorance, right? We shouldn't be
convicted of murder, because we "interpreted" the law to not apply to
us...right? We can't get that speeding ticket, because we thought it
was talking about 55 Miles Per Half-hour...right? How is it that our
ignorance of the law is justification with God but not with man?

Or think about school (Bob is from an education group online). I
guess our students will ALL get straight A's. If they miss a problem,
all they need to do is say that THEY thought it was true....that's
enough...right? I must thank Bob for inspiring this article. I get
more devotionals from responding from him than most things.

Well, I believe that if I jump off a building I'll fall. I believe
that the judge will uphold HIS interpretation of the law, not
mine...Earthly court or Heavenly court. I believe that the student
that missed the question will get a low grade. My interpretation is
that Truth is...indeed...truth.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

I have an 11:00 service, like many do. I guess you don't know that
much about church but seem to know everything about God...a wonder.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

On Aug 26, 12:48 pm, "robw" <noddy...@comcast.net> wrote:

10:15 on a Sunday morn.

Shouldn't you have been in church??

"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in

A reflection on truth.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I
felt compelled to post a few posts in various online groups with John
14:6, Jesus saying HE is the ONLY way to the Father. I asked if this
was true or a lie by Jesus.

Then, I had one particular online (I believe demonically possessed
from my many interactions with him) individual start with the
pluralist argument that God is capable of saving people from other
religions through Christ. So, I got more direct and quoted John 3:18
with Jesus, Himself, saying that those that don't believe in Him are
condemned...as well as other Scriptures on the same topic. To this,
he replied that they were out of context (despite being full direct
quotes) interpretations of Scriptures that may not have actually been
the words of Jesus. I replied by thanking Him for admitting he must
discredit the Bible to be true to deny that Jesus is the only way to
Heaven. His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth? Sometimes truth can include a lie? Our opinion of
truth is more TRUE than accuracy or being correct? We have destroyed
truth.

I guess that we can tell the judge at our hearing for whatever crime
we are innocent by way of our ignorance, right? We shouldn't be
convicted of murder, because we "interpreted" the law to not apply to
us...right? We can't get that speeding ticket, because we thought it
was talking about 55 Miles Per Half-hour...right? How is it that our
ignorance of the law is justification with God but not with man?

Or think about school (Bob is from an education group online). I
guess our students will ALL get straight A's. If they miss a problem,
all they need to do is say that THEY thought it was true....that's
enough...right? I must thank Bob for inspiring this article. I get
more devotionals from responding from him than most things.

Well, I believe that if I jump off a building I'll fall. I believe
that the judge will uphold HIS interpretation of the law, not
mine...Earthly court or Heavenly court. I believe that the student
that missed the question will get a low grade. My interpretation is
that Truth is...indeed...truth.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

I have an 11:00 service, like many do. I guess you don't know that
much about church but seem to know everything about God...a wonder.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

In article
<cognac756-8436EF.11055726082007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
Neolibertarian <cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:

In article <1188137728.203706.42450@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

A reflection on truth.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I
felt compelled to post a few posts in various online groups with John
14:6, Jesus saying HE is the ONLY way to the Father. I asked if this
was true or a lie by Jesus.

Then, I had one particular online (I believe demonically possessed
from my many interactions with him) individual start with the
pluralist argument that God is capable of saving people from other
religions through Christ. So, I got more direct and quoted John 3:18
with Jesus, Himself, saying that those that don't believe in Him are
condemned...as well as other Scriptures on the same topic. To this,
he replied that they were out of context (despite being full direct
quotes) interpretations of Scriptures that may not have actually been
the words of Jesus. I replied by thanking Him for admitting he must
discredit the Bible to be true to deny that Jesus is the only way to
Heaven. His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth? Sometimes truth can include a lie? Our opinion of
truth is more TRUE than accuracy or being correct? We have destroyed
truth.

I guess that we can tell the judge at our hearing for whatever crime
we are innocent by way of our ignorance, right? We shouldn't be
convicted of murder, because we "interpreted" the law to not apply to
us...right? We can't get that speeding ticket, because we thought it
was talking about 55 Miles Per Half-hour...right? How is it that our
ignorance of the law is justification with God but not with man?

Or think about school (Bob is from an education group online). I
guess our students will ALL get straight A's. If they miss a problem,
all they need to do is say that THEY thought it was true....that's
enough...right? I must thank Bob for inspiring this article. I get
more devotionals from responding from him than most things.

Well, I believe that if I jump off a building I'll fall. I believe
that the judge will uphold HIS interpretation of the law, not
mine...Earthly court or Heavenly court. I believe that the student
that missed the question will get a low grade. My interpretation is
that Truth is...indeed...truth.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

http://elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/ConsTrth.jpg

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The (Bush's) aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call
the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe
that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible
reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment
principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the
world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and
when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that
reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other
new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort
out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to
just study what we do.''
Ron Suskind; "Without A Doubt;" Esquire, November, 2004

Neolibertarian <cognac756@gmail.com>

In article <1188137728.203706.42450@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:

A reflection on truth.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I
felt compelled to post a few posts in various online groups with John
14:6, Jesus saying HE is the ONLY way to the Father. I asked if this
was true or a lie by Jesus.

Then, I had one particular online (I believe demonically possessed
from my many interactions with him) individual start with the
pluralist argument that God is capable of saving people from other
religions through Christ. So, I got more direct and quoted John 3:18
with Jesus, Himself, saying that those that don't believe in Him are
condemned...as well as other Scriptures on the same topic. To this,
he replied that they were out of context (despite being full direct
quotes) interpretations of Scriptures that may not have actually been
the words of Jesus. I replied by thanking Him for admitting he must
discredit the Bible to be true to deny that Jesus is the only way to
Heaven. His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth? Sometimes truth can include a lie? Our opinion of
truth is more TRUE than accuracy or being correct? We have destroyed
truth.

I guess that we can tell the judge at our hearing for whatever crime
we are innocent by way of our ignorance, right? We shouldn't be
convicted of murder, because we "interpreted" the law to not apply to
us...right? We can't get that speeding ticket, because we thought it
was talking about 55 Miles Per Half-hour...right? How is it that our
ignorance of the law is justification with God but not with man?

Or think about school (Bob is from an education group online). I
guess our students will ALL get straight A's. If they miss a problem,
all they need to do is say that THEY thought it was true....that's
enough...right? I must thank Bob for inspiring this article. I get
more devotionals from responding from him than most things.

Well, I believe that if I jump off a building I'll fall. I believe
that the judge will uphold HIS interpretation of the law, not
mine...Earthly court or Heavenly court. I believe that the student
that missed the question will get a low grade. My interpretation is
that Truth is...indeed...truth.

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

http://elihu.envy.nu/NeoPics/ConsTrth.jpg

OK, now THAT's cute.


-- cary

On Aug 26, 2:42 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

A reflection on truth.

When you are as dim as an unlit basement, you are incapable of
reflection.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I

Which news story was this? You probably misunderstood what you read,
as usual.

His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth?

That is not what he said.

Sometimes truth can include a lie?

That is not what he said.

Our opinion of truth is more TRUE than accuracy or being correct?

That makes no sense, and is not what he said.

We have destroyed truth.

We have not.

Was the newspaper lying when it famously answered the little girl
"Yes, Virginia. There is a Santa Claus?". No it was not.

I guess that we can tell the judge at our hearing for whatever crime
we are innocent by way of our ignorance, right?

You can tell the judge whatever you want, but you still will go to
jail.

We shouldn't be convicted of murder, because we "interpreted" the law

us...right?

The constitution gives the judge that authority, not you.

How is it that our ignorance of the law is justification with God but

That is not what he said.

Or think about school (Bob is from an education group online). I
guess our students will ALL get straight A's. If they miss a problem,
all they need to do is say that THEY thought it was true...

But of course grades are not given for being "true", but for meeting
the expectations of the teacher, whatever those are.

I must thank Bob for inspiring this article. I get
more devotionals from responding from him than most things.

You seem to get more clueless from misunderstanding what you read than
most things.

Well, I believe that if I jump off a building I'll fall.

Good for you.

I believe
that the judge will uphold HIS interpretation of the law, not
mine...Earthly court or Heavenly court.

Probably. But of course we don't have access to His interpretation of
the law. God doesn't publish His legal rulings.

lojbab

Bob. Why don't you take a whack at what KT wouldn't answer. Let's
assume evolution was true (I don't believe it but for the sake of this
discussion). Is it objectively true for everyone or only those that
accept it as true?

Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com

Bob. Why don't you take a whack at what KT wouldn't answer. Let's
assume evolution was true

Is it objectively true for everyone or only those that accept it as true?

On Aug 26, 2:42 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

A reflection on truth.

When you are as dim as an unlit basement, you are incapable of
reflection.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I

Which news story was this? You probably misunderstood what you read,
as usual.

His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth?

That is not what he said.

The "he" was you...your observed (literal) words... "The Bible can
be "true" without being "literally true"... "

On Aug 26, 2:42 pm, Bob LeChevalier <loj...@lojban.org> wrote:

Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote:

A reflection on truth.

When you are as dim as an unlit basement, you are incapable of
reflection.

After I read that news story, this week, that 7 of 10 religious youth
felt their religion was only good for themselves and not for others, I

Which news story was this? You probably misunderstood what you read,
as usual.

His response to this is the point of this blog entry. He
said the Bible can be truth without being accurate or literal and that
it was only my interpretation that the passage was literally true.

Is this where we have arrived in our society? Truth doesn't include
literal truth?

That is not what he said.

The "he" was you.

...your observed (literal) words... "The Bible can
be "true" without being "literally true"... "

Thus, your claim is that truth doesn't have to be literal, observed,
truth.

A truth (like that Jesus said He is the "ONLY" way to the
Father or that unbelievers are "condemned"), according to you, can be
a false statement.

Or, are you going to retract your denial and say
Jesus was telling the truth, now?

Is Jesus the only way,

as He claimed to be,

or was He lying

...and if He was lying, is that truth?