"Jefferson Brady" <rightiswrong@home.org> wrote in message
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:11:31 GMT, "CKOMOPOX" <slavelabor@gulags.ru>
wrote:
Actually, I think Bush will get re-elected. There really isn't much
differentiation between the two. Kerry is something of an empty shirt.
better an 'empty shirt' then an 'empty head'.
It is better to be strong and wrong then to be weak and right. Voters want
somebody who's in control. If you want to learn more about this, study
Russian society. Russians prefer leaders who beat the crap out of them.
The only major difference is that Bush will get the pro-lifers and Kerry
will get the pro-choice crowd.
The pro-choice crowd is larger then the anti-choice crowd and more
likely to vote.
If I was Kerry, I would flip-flop on the war and promise to get out of
Iraq.
Kerry is handling this correctly. He wants the UN in control.
That's the naive thinking that's going around. Once the UN takes over, who
will supply the troops? The Euros? Don't make me laugh. They could be
embarassed into supplying troops but their main idea is to use the US as an
excuse to not get involved. Remember, it was on the UN's watch that 800,000
Rwandans were slaughtered.
That's
how it should be. An immediate withdrawal isn't feasible. The US is
responsible for the current mess, the US needs to clean it up.
Not really. This is case (again) of no matter what the US does, it's wrong.
The best thing to do is leave and then say OK UN go fix it. We are giving
you what you have been whining about all along Go to it! Then sit back and
watch the UN fail.
Unfortunately the current administration , made up of morons and
retreads from past failed administrations , doesn't have any idea how
to do this.
That would cause a major shift of voters and there would be a clear issue
separating the two of them. On the economy or defense, Kerry really
doesn't
have anything.
Huh? You haven't been paying attention.
I have. You haven't.
"---= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =---" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
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I wonder if President Kerry will ever be able to clean up Bu$h's mess?
He
needs to start by throwing 90% of the Bu$h administration in jail...
Fallujah accord leaves US policy in disarray
JAMES HALL
The Scotsman, UK
THE United States' policy on Iraq was in disarray last night, as the
Pentagon admitted it was unaware of a breakthrough agreement to end the
siege of Fallujah announced by its troops on the ground.
While a new poll showed a majority of Iraqis want US and British troops
to
leave in the next few months, an American marine commander revealed
that
his troops were preparing to withdraw from the outskirts of Fallujah, a
major U-turn in US policy.
Lieutenant Colonel Brennan Byrne said a newly created Iraqi force of
1,100
soldiers, called the Fallujah Protective Army and led by a former
general
from Saddam Hussein's army, would take over security in the besieged
city.
It was a deal few of his superiors seemed aware of.
In Washington, Larry Di Rita, the chief Pentagon spokesman, said:
"There's
no deal that we're aware of." He added that he could not rule out that
an
agreement was in place, but said that officials at the US military
command
in Baghdad told him they could not confirm a final deal was sealed.
In Washington, Paul Wolfowitz, the US deputy defence secretary, said
the
situation in Fallujah was confusing but a deal was being worked on.
"The goal has got to be to try to isolate the killers from the
population,
so that if military action is necessary, it can be done with a minimum
of
civilian casualties," he added.
To add to the sense of disarray, US marines to the south of Fallujah
were
yesterday packing up their kit and destroying earthworks in apparent
preparation for withdrawal. Yet elsewhere in the city, airstrikes were
being launched against insurgent positions and gunfire could be heard
last
night.
The marines' siege of Fallujah is the most controversial military
action
undertaken by coalition forces since the end of the war, with Iraqi
doctors
estimating that 600 Iraqis had died in the fighting.
Sunni and Shiite communities alike have expressed their anger at the US
tactics, and members of the coalition-appointed Iraqi Governing Council
have threatened to resign if the fighting continues. Confirmation of
the
coalition's unpopularity came yesterday, with the publication of a poll
which showed that, despite concerns about their own safety, the
majority
of
Iraqis say they want the US and British troops now in Iraq to leave
within
the next few months.
The CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll was taken between 22 March and 9 April,
before the latest rounds of fighting between coalition forces and
insurgents. Yet the results will prove of concern to coalition
planners:
. 64 per cent of those polled said actions by the coalition have turned
out
worse than they expected at the time of the invasion;
. 57 per cent said they would like to see coalition troops leave
"immediately, within the next few months", while 36 per cent said they
would like to see those troops stay longer;
. Seven in ten said they view the US presence as an occupation and not
a
liberation;
. Last August, almost six in ten Iraqis said they had a positive view
of
how US troops are behaving. Now, residents of Baghdad view US soldiers
negatively, by almost 8-1;
. Six in ten of those polled from Sunni areas said the attacks on US
troops
can be justified morally. However, six out of ten Iraqis said ousting
Saddam was worth the hardships they have faced since then.
The situation in Iraq is also causing increased concern in the US as
the
death toll mounts. Ten more soldiers died yesterday - eight of them
killed
when a car bomb exploded south of Baghdad.
At least 125 US soldiers have died this month, bringing to 534 the
total
number of those killed in action since the invasion in March 2003.
A new opinion poll in the US has found that support for the war has
fallen
substantially over the past few months. After initially expressing
robust
backing for the war, the American public is now evenly divided over
whether
the military should stay for as long as it takes to stabilise Iraq, or
pull
out as soon as possible, the poll showed.
Asked whether the US had done the right thing in taking military action
against Iraq, 47 per cent of respondents said it had, down from 58 per
cent
a month earlier and 63 per cent in December.
The New York Times/CBS News poll found that 46 per cent of respondents
said
the US should have stayed out of Iraq, up from 37 per cent last month
and
31 per cent in December.
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