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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 04 Jun 2007 07:52:19 AM
Object: U.S. Commanders Say Bush's "Surge" in Baghdad Is a Failure
The operation “is at a difficult point right now, to be sure,” said
Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First
Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.
In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to
make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part
because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle
basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols,
have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have
performed poorly.
.......................................................................................................
The heavily Shiite security forces have also repeatedly failed to
intervene in some areas when fighters, who fled or laid low when the
American troops arrived, resumed sectarian killings.
From The New York Times, 6/4/07:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/04/world/middleeast/04surge.html?_r=1&th=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=print
June 4, 2007
Commanders Say Push in Baghdad Is Short of Goal
By DAVID S. CLOUD and DAMIEN CAVE
BAGHDAD —
Three months after the start of the Baghdad security plan that has
added thousands of American and Iraqi troops to the capital, they
control fewer than one-third of the city’s neighborhoods, far short of
the initial goal for the operation, according to some commanders and
an internal military assessment.
The American assessment, completed in late May, found that American
and Iraqi forces were able to “protect the population” and “maintain
physical influence over” only 146 of the 457 Baghdad neighborhoods.
In the remaining 311 neighborhoods, troops have either not begun
operations aimed at rooting out insurgents or still face “resistance,”
according to the one-page assessment, which was provided to The New
York Times and summarized reports from brigade and battalion
commanders in Baghdad.
The assessment offers the first comprehensive look at the progress of
the effort to stabilize Baghdad with the heavy influx of additional
troops.
____________________________________________________
Progress? More like "Mission Disaster"
Harry
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User: "PagCal"

Title: Re: U.S. Commanders Say Bush's "Surge" in Baghdad Is a Failure 05 Jun 2007 04:53:06 AM
Harry Hope wrote:

The operation “is at a difficult point right now, to be sure,” said
Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First
Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.

In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to
make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part
because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle
basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols,
have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have
performed poorly.

From the NYT, David Brooks reports a success in Iraq:
"This is now a success story: an ethnically cleansed safe place. Instead
of a sort of managed soft partition that at least has a shot of
transferring power to the best local people, we’re now getting
machine-gun partition that transfers power to the most violent people.
For Iraqis, the thug who rules your local gas station rules your life."

......................................................................................................

The heavily Shiite security forces have also repeatedly failed to
intervene in some areas when fighters, who fled or laid low when the
American troops arrived, resumed sectarian killings.


From The New York Times, 6/4/07:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/04/world/middleeast/04surge.html?_r=1&th=&oref=slogin&emc=th&pagewanted=print

June 4, 2007

Commanders Say Push in Baghdad Is Short of Goal

By DAVID S. CLOUD and DAMIEN CAVE

BAGHDAD —

Three months after the start of the Baghdad security plan that has
added thousands of American and Iraqi troops to the capital, they
control fewer than one-third of the city’s neighborhoods, far short of
the initial goal for the operation, according to some commanders and
an internal military assessment.

The American assessment, completed in late May, found that American
and Iraqi forces were able to “protect the population” and “maintain
physical influence over” only 146 of the 457 Baghdad neighborhoods.

In the remaining 311 neighborhoods, troops have either not begun
operations aimed at rooting out insurgents or still face “resistance,”
according to the one-page assessment, which was provided to The New
York Times and summarized reports from brigade and battalion
commanders in Baghdad.

The assessment offers the first comprehensive look at the progress of
the effort to stabilize Baghdad with the heavy influx of additional
troops.

____________________________________________________

Progress? More like "Mission Disaster"

Harry

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User: "Gary S. Simon"

Title: Re: U.S. Commanders Say Bush's "Surge" in Baghdad Is a Failure 04 Jun 2007 08:39:18 AM
In article <vn2863d5a6e6hiqhikj95k2aij9mp2m3n8@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The operation “is at a difficult point right now, to be sure,” said
Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First
Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.

In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to
make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part
because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle
basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols,
have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have
performed poorly.

In announcing the surge, didn't President Bush say that it would be
led by the Iraqis?
.
User: "Sid9"

Title: Re: U.S. Commanders Say Bush's "Surge" in Baghdad Is a Failure 04 Jun 2007 10:52:34 PM
In article <vn2863d5a6e6hiqhikj95k2aij9mp2m3n8@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The operation “is at a difficult point right now, to be sure,” said
Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First
Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.

In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to
make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part
because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle
basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols,
have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have
performed poorly.

In announcing the surge, didn't President Bush say that it would be
led by the Iraqis?
The Iraqis don't even show up.
What the hell are we doing there?
.
User: ""

Title: Re: U.S. Commanders Say Bush's "Surge" in Baghdad Is a Failure 04 Jun 2007 11:09:11 PM
On Jun 4, 8:52 pm, "Sid9" <s...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

In article <vn2863d5a6e6hiqhikj95k2aij9mp2m...@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The operation "is at a difficult point right now, to be sure," said
Brig. Gen. Vincent K. Brooks, the deputy commander of the First
Cavalry Division, which has responsibility for Baghdad.


In an interview, he said that while military planners had expected to
make greater gains by now, that has not been possible in large part
because Iraqi police and army units, which were expected to handle
basic security tasks, like manning checkpoints and conducting patrols,
have not provided all the forces promised, and in some cases have
performed poorly.


In announcing the surge, didn't President Bush say that it would be
led by the Iraqis?

The Iraqis don't even show up.

Not only don't they show up...but the Iraqiis are caught on video
setting up IEDs during off-hours...

What the hell are we doing there?

I keep trying to ask people that question too...but all I get is some
confused stuff about Saddam and Al Quaeda..
As thoufg Saddam might still be alive, and Al Quaeda still existed as
a credible threat..
.




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