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11 Nov 2003 05:52:29 PM |
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US loses WTO steel tarrif case. What now? |
A year or so ago the Bush administration slapped a 20% tarrif on
European steel imports to the USA, in order to protect the US steel
industry, and his political support in a few rustbelt swing states in
the run-up to the next election.
US steel companies were happy, the US motor industry were not - now
they had to fork out for expensive steel instead of the cheaper
European stuff to build their cars. The European steel companies were
*very* ***** and asked the WTO to make a ruling, which was
announced yesterday: by WTO rules the US should not break free trade
practices by fixing tarrifs on imports. If its industries cannot
compete with foreigners, that's tough.
So, what's Bush going to do? Will he continue with the tarrifs until
the election, and please the steel companies? Or back down, remove
them, and please the motor industry?
It is within WTO riules for the EU to impose equivalent tarrifs on US
products, and has announced it will target them on electoral swing
states for president Bush - in particular (given what happened last
time), Florida (so if you work in the Florida orange packing and
export business, maybe now's the time to change careers).
Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
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11 Nov 2003 05:48:13 PM |
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Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
PS I know the answer
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| User: "Gaz" |
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11 Nov 2003 06:53:49 PM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
PS I know the answer
Because the US is a dynamic nation with a dynamic people, with a government
reducing taxation at the right point in the cycle.
Protectionism helps no one in the long term. To his credit Clintons New
Democrats fully understood it, standing up to organised labour. Shame Bush
does not have the same balls.
Gaz
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12 Nov 2003 03:25:14 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0000, "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:c8t2rvg8in89sqabqm5hcoorvo7pflhi2d@4ax.com...
Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
PS I know the answer
Because the US is a dynamic nation with a dynamic people, with a government
reducing taxation at the right point in the cycle.
wrong answer. The answer is of course the Baghdad Bounce.
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| User: "D a v e V H" |
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12 Nov 2003 08:21:18 AM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:53:49 -0000, "Gaz" <gazter@msn.com> wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:c8t2rvg8in89sqabqm5hcoorvo7pflhi2d@4ax.com...
Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
PS I know the answer
Because the US is a dynamic nation with a dynamic people, with a
government
reducing taxation at the right point in the cycle.
wrong answer. The answer is of course the Baghdad Bounce.
Ermm... possibly the Baghdad bounce is a factor. But don't rely too much on
psychological motivations.
Reducing taxation has clearly been effective in producing growth. What
other explanation can you offer for the failure to create jobs at the
beginning of the recovery? (This is supposedly down to outsourcing, but it
doesn't seem likely since the numbers of out sourced jobs and the numbers of
jobs which would usually be created by growth don't tally). And as Gaz says,
the economic cycle must be considered.
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| User: "Paris" |
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12 Nov 2003 06:47:18 AM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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wrong answer. The answer is of course the Baghdad Bounce.
LOL!
That's the first time I've heard that phrase....
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| User: "Solon" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:13:00 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:25:14 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Because the US is a dynamic nation with a dynamic people, with a government
reducing taxation at the right point in the cycle.
wrong answer. The answer is of course the Baghdad Bounce.
Tell us all about this "Baghdad Bounce" and explain exactly how, you
say, it has impacted upon the US economy: giving full details of which
sectors which you say have been affected, how they have been so
affected, and how, you say, that has led to the current growth rate
being enjoyed by the US.
<twiddles fingers waiting to be called a fascist>
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Solon
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13 Nov 2003 06:54:15 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:13:00 +0000, Solon <nobody@nowt.com> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:25:14 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Because the US is a dynamic nation with a dynamic people, with a government
reducing taxation at the right point in the cycle.
wrong answer. The answer is of course the Baghdad Bounce.
Tell us all about this "Baghdad Bounce" and explain exactly how, you
say, it has impacted upon the US economy: giving full details of which
sectors which you say have been affected, how they have been so
affected, and how, you say, that has led to the current growth rate
being enjoyed by the US.
I posted an article here in January 2003 in which i predicted the war
would galvanize the US stock market and hence economy.
This was in response to an article in The Times by Gary Duncan where
he explained that the war would have such benefits for the US economy.
On the eve of war the DJIA stood at 7700 points and had been steadily
falling for many months. The FTSE has also been falling badly and was
down at 3200, If these stock markets had fallen any further there
would have been serious risk of a large financial institution failing
in the UK and US.
The war came just in the nick of time and the DJIA and FTSE started
moving upwards from the very first day of the war.
This phenomenon has been christened the Baghdad Bounce (not by me
obviously). The DJIA has moved up over 2000 points since the start of
fighting in March 2003. A similar effect was observed during the
Kosovo , Afganistan and Gulf 1 campaigns.
As has been pointed out here before the US economy benefited from the
massive increase in defence spending which clearly helped revive the
economy. This is commonly referred to as military pump-priming or
military Keyenesianism.
Defence stocks have performed particularly well.
Clearly US oil comanies and construction companies are also starting
to benefit from the occupation of Iraq.
No serious observer disputes the existence of a Baghdad Bounce and its
effect on the US stock market and hence economy,
It should also be remembered that in the run up to the Gulf war the US
was engulfed in major corporate accountacny and fraud scandals
totalling many billions of dollars. There were also share mis-selling
and banking scandals. The whole of american capitalism looked to be
wobbling, The war has stopped the jitters.
I think one of the most telling stories is that of World com who went
bankrupt amid a huge accountancy and fraud scandal and owed billions
of dollars. When the US occupation forces were looking for someone to
provide a temporary communicatiosn network they turned to the
disgraced Worldcom.
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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13 Nov 2003 01:48:44 PM |
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"sam1967@hetnet.nl" <sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:<c8t2rvg8in89sqabqm5hcoorvo7pflhi2d@4ax.com>...
Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
Because I heard it on the news.
PS I know the answer
I doubt you know how to wipe your arse properly.
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13 Nov 2003 02:42:46 PM |
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On 13 Nov 2003 11:48:44 -0800, (jackkincaid)
wrote:
"sam1967@hetnet.nl" <sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:<c8t2rvg8in89sqabqm5hcoorvo7pflhi2d@4ax.com>...
Are we heading for a trade war? The US has had a trade deficit with
the EU for a while now, but its economy is recovering from the recent
downturn more quickly than the Eurozone's, and Bush might decide to
butch it out. But jobs will be lost on both sides of the Atlantic.
why do you think it is recovering faster than Euroland ?
Because I heard it on the news.
PS I know the answer
I doubt you know how to wipe your arse properly.
so i was right about new labour types. they are coarse rejigged
thatcherites.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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12 Nov 2003 08:53:54 AM |
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The US could always drop out of the WTO.
We're never going to get anything but screwed by them to begin with, so why
prolong the agony?
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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13 Nov 2003 01:54:07 PM |
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"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@verizin.net> wrote in message news:<6Qrsb.42063$p9.7150@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...
The US could always drop out of the WTO.
That was the dumbest solution I could think of, yeah.
We're never going to get anything but screwed by them to begin with, so why
prolong the agony?
Well, one reason is, if the US isn't in the WTO everyone else can
legally impose tarriffs on US products.
If America is happy for its trade deficit to sink ever further, and is
looking forward to a manufacturing recession, I guess it's a good
idea.
Maybe all of us should go back to our former god-fearing,
self-sufficient agrarian societies and forget about all this new
fangled industrialised, free trade, international cooperation nonsense
once and for all.
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| User: "Solon" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:15:18 AM |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:53:54 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@verizin.net>
enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by writing:
The US could always drop out of the WTO.
Well quite! How dare the WTO impose on the US the same rules that the
US likes to see imposed on everybody else.
We're never going to get anything but screwed by them to begin with, so why
prolong the agony?
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
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| User: "Dirk Bruere at Neopax" |
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13 Nov 2003 06:56:17 AM |
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"Solon" <nobody@nowt.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:53:54 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@verizin.net>
enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by writing:
The US could always drop out of the WTO.
Well quite! How dare the WTO impose on the US the same rules that the
US likes to see imposed on everybody else.
We're never going to get anything but screwed by them to begin with, so
why
prolong the agony?
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
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The Consensus:-
The political party for the new millennium
http://www.theconsensus.org
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13 Nov 2003 07:07:52 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:56:17 -0000, "Dirk Bruere at Neopax"
<dirk@neopax.com> wrote:
"Solon" <nobody@nowt.com> wrote in message
news:oat6rv89v102t77b7qi7v5p5q52gdjafjt@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:53:54 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@verizin.net>
enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by writing:
The US could always drop out of the WTO.
Well quite! How dare the WTO impose on the US the same rules that the
US likes to see imposed on everybody else.
We're never going to get anything but screwed by them to begin with, so
why
prolong the agony?
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
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| User: "jackkincaid" |
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13 Nov 2003 01:50:38 PM |
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"sam1967@hetnet.nl" <sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message news:<0g07rvs0q4v5q67vsov4hrivcge6a8klnb@4ax.com>...
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
He means wearing a smart uniform with shiny boots and a red and black armband.
The Nazis would have endorsed your anti-democratic babytalk.
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| User: "Solon" |
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13 Nov 2003 10:28:53 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:07:52 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
Like we did wrt Abyssinia?
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13 Nov 2003 03:06:16 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:28:53 +0000, Solon <nobody@nowt.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:07:52 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
Like we did wrt Abyssinia?
Or the rhineland, austria, czechslovakia or nanking.
greg
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13 Nov 2003 04:08:21 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:06:16 +0000, Greg Hennessy <me@privacy.net>
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:28:53 +0000, Solon <nobody@nowt.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:07:52 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
Like we did wrt Abyssinia?
Or the rhineland, austria, czechslovakia or nanking.
thanks for making my point for me so eloquently greg.
for czechoslovakia and abyssinia then we have afghanistan and iraq
today.
hitler and mussolini both used phony excuses for their invasions just
as we did with the invasions of iraq and afghanistan.
we failed to stand up to the fascists in the 30s and we are failing to
stand up to their empire building again.
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13 Nov 2003 11:12:35 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:28:53 +0000, Solon <nobody@nowt.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:07:52 +0000, "sam1967@hetnet.nl"
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> enlightened the denizens of uk.politics.misc by
writing:
Nostalgic for the 1930s are you?
There are definately lessons to be learned from that era.
yes like standing up to aggression of the sort we are seeing by US and
UK forces.
Like we did wrt Abyssinia?
my point exactly. we are making the same mistakes now as we did in the
30s. we refused to stand up to the agression of Italy and Germany just
as we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
This war was entirely avoidable and un-necessary but US and UK had to
have it. The UN has folded in the face of their agression in exactly
the same fashion that the LON folded in the face of Italian aggression
in Abyssinia,
The parallels with Iraq and Abyssinia are quite striking.
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| User: "Paris" |
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13 Nov 2003 11:27:06 AM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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my point exactly. we are making the same mistakes now as we did in the
30s. we refused to stand up to the agression of Italy and Germany just
as we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
This war was entirely avoidable and un-necessary but US and UK had to
have it. The UN has folded in the face of their agression in exactly
the same fashion that the LON folded in the face of Italian aggression
in Abyssinia,
The parallels with Iraq and Abyssinia are quite striking.
I don't think the UN has folded... And the EU, which is only 10 years old..
Had most certainly NOT folder.
There will be a price to pay for this war....... And America is only just
coming to terms with that....
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Paris. Not the City
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13 Nov 2003 11:44:44 AM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:27:06 -0000, "Paris" <hmodesseus@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:0me7rvkl3pmb0ej01pql3b45nrm013akgs@4ax.com...
my point exactly. we are making the same mistakes now as we did in the
30s. we refused to stand up to the agression of Italy and Germany just
as we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
This war was entirely avoidable and un-necessary but US and UK had to
have it. The UN has folded in the face of their agression in exactly
the same fashion that the LON folded in the face of Italian aggression
in Abyssinia,
The parallels with Iraq and Abyssinia are quite striking.
I don't think the UN has folded... And the EU, which is only 10 years old..
Had most certainly NOT folder.
There will be a price to pay for this war....... And America is only just
coming to terms with that....
.....and the price that the Iraqis have already paid.
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13 Nov 2003 12:18:45 PM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:27:06 -0000, "Paris" <hmodesseus@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:0me7rvkl3pmb0ej01pql3b45nrm013akgs@4ax.com...
my point exactly. we are making the same mistakes now as we did in the
30s. we refused to stand up to the agression of Italy and Germany just
as we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
This war was entirely avoidable and un-necessary but US and UK had to
have it. The UN has folded in the face of their agression in exactly
the same fashion that the LON folded in the face of Italian aggression
in Abyssinia,
The parallels with Iraq and Abyssinia are quite striking.
I don't think the UN has folded... And the EU, which is only 10 years
old..
Had most certainly NOT folder.
There will be a price to pay for this war....... And America is only just
coming to terms with that....
....and the price that the Iraqis have already paid.
They have been paying the price since the end of WW2..... Britain did what
the US is doing now only decades ago....
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Paris. Not the City
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13 Nov 2003 12:45:21 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:18:45 -0000, "Paris" <hmodesseus@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:27:06 -0000, "Paris" <hmodesseus@hotmail.com>
wrote:
<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
news:0me7rvkl3pmb0ej01pql3b45nrm013akgs@4ax.com...
my point exactly. we are making the same mistakes now as we did in the
30s. we refused to stand up to the agression of Italy and Germany just
as we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
This war was entirely avoidable and un-necessary but US and UK had to
have it. The UN has folded in the face of their agression in exactly
the same fashion that the LON folded in the face of Italian aggression
in Abyssinia,
The parallels with Iraq and Abyssinia are quite striking.
I don't think the UN has folded... And the EU, which is only 10 years
old..
Had most certainly NOT folder.
There will be a price to pay for this war....... And America is only just
coming to terms with that....
....and the price that the Iraqis have already paid.
They have been paying the price since the end of WW2..... Britain did what
the US is doing now only decades ago....
there is a book called "britain in iraq" by peter sluglett which i
really should dread, its out of print and quite hard to get .
there is another one i would love to get hold of called
"Only by the sword: British counter-insurgency in Iraq, 1920 "
by Mark Jacobsen.
I just bet that the ***** tactics we used then are exactly the ones
we are using now.
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14 Nov 2003 04:32:50 AM |
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<sam1967@hetnet.nl> wrote in message
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there is a book called "britain in iraq" by peter sluglett which i
really should dread, its out of print and quite hard to get .
there is another one i would love to get hold of called
"Only by the sword: British counter-insurgency in Iraq, 1920 "
by Mark Jacobsen.
I just bet that the ***** tactics we used then are exactly the ones
we are using now.
Nothing changes under the sun..... We're still crusading.. After a thousand
years.. And people are still kneeling before god, whilst murdering their
fellow men.....
Untermensche...
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13 Nov 2003 11:46:32 AM |
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wrote:
we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
So I guess you don't consider yourself to be British then? You're
always referring to Britain as if it's nothing to do with you. Why
stay here if you hate the place so much?
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http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/
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13 Nov 2003 11:50:17 AM |
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"Steven X Brown" <ozozozozozozo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bp0g1o$5kb$7@titan.btinternet.com...
So I guess you don't consider yourself to be British then? You're
always referring to Britain as if it's nothing to do with you. Why
stay here if you hate the place so much?
I can answer this question for me...
I stay because this is where I was born, my familly live here, I like the
land itself, and I don't see why I should abandon it to the likes of Jack
Straw and Margaret Thatcher..
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Paris. Not the City
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: US loses WTO steel tarrif case. What now? |
13 Nov 2003 04:14:26 PM |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Steven X Brown
<ozozozozozozo@yahoo.com> wrote:
sam1967@hetnet.nl wrote:
we are refusing to stand up to the agression of America and
Britain.
So I guess you don't consider yourself to be British then? You're
always referring to Britain as if it's nothing to do with you. Why
stay here if you hate the place so much?
london is ok. i like it here. most of the folks where i stay are
immigrants so i like the atmosphere. im a bit of an immigrant myself.
its the elites who bother me.
they are mostly white and non-moslem.
they are the ones pushing for war.
for obviously selfish reasons. many of the people just tag along
because they realise it is in their interest. they know they may not
have kept their jobs and their mortgages if we hadnt gone in.
i dont mind them as much i just think they are dishonest.
i will be out protesting against the war party when bush arrives.
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| User: "steve" |
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| Title: Re: US loses WTO steel tarrif case. What now? |
11 Nov 2003 06:27:52 PM |
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jackkincaid allegedly said:
So, what's Bush going to do? Will he continue with the tarrifs until
the election, and please the steel companies? Or back down, remove
them, and please the motor industry?
Bush hates international organisations.
He ignored the law by putting the tarrifs on and he will continue to ignore
the law.
Bush doesn't like anything that prevents him from doing whatever he damn
well pleases. Laws, international AND domestic, are there to be broken as
far as he is concerned.
If anyone hasn't worked that out by now, you not paying attention.
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defenestrate: The act of throwing Windows out the window and replacing it on
your PC with some other operating system.
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