Politics > Politics-USA > U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And FutileUndertaking.
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03 Sep 2003 09:15:21 AM |
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U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And FutileUndertaking. |
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
As a Muslim nation Iraq can never be a democracy.
That was evident yesterday in the big Shiite burial
cortege and funeral orations at Karbala honoring a slain Muslim
Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer Al Hakim of Hajaf. It was a rather frightening
scene on TV with thousands of Muslims dressed in black robes and
other fanatics whipping themselves with thongs. It would seem that here
were hundreds and hundreds of potential suicide bombers.
In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists. He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran. Recall that an
exiled Iraqi Shiite ayatolla, who was much more moderate than Al Hakim,
was brutally mudered, hacked and torn apart, in Najaf back in April or
May. It appeared that that assassination was carried out by Shiites
under the command of the Iranian Mullahs. It just would not make any
sense for these two assassinations of Islamist ayatollas to have been
perpetrated by Baathists or al Qaeda. How would they gain from an Iraqi
civil war between the Shiites and Wahabbi Sunnis?
The Americans at great cost have just recently liberated the
Iraqi Shiites from the brutal repression of Sunni Muslim Saddam
Hussein's Baathists. But with no gratitude shown on the part of the
Shiite fanatics. The Shiites still look upon the Americans
as infidels and enemies; America is still the Great Satan.
The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task. The crumbling infrastructure of
Iraq is the fault of the Iraqis themselves who did far more destruction
to utilities, buildings, institutions first under Saddam's government
(people get the government they deserve) and then with the vandalism
and pillaging after the war.
The U.S. is quickly forming an all-Iraqi government. That is good. Once
it does that the U.S. should withdraw completely from Iraq's urban areas
but continue for the long term to maintain several military bases and
airfields in easily defended locations.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 09:46:10 AM |
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"Erik Trammel" <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
We shouldn't have destroyed it then
If I invaded your home and did massive damage and you sued me in court, you
would get actual and puntive damage
Same should hold true here
In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists. He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran.
Whoever he was killed by, we are respnsible, period, end of sentence.
It is the responsibility, under international law, for an occupying country
to provide safety and security.
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The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task. The crumbling infrastructure of
Iraq is the fault of the Iraqis themselves who did far more destruction
to utilities, buildings, institutions first under Saddam's government
(people get the government they deserve) and then with the vandalism
and pillaging after the war.
So like Pilate, you wash your hands
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| User: "Cyrakis" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 02:45:37 PM |
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In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists. He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran.
Whoever he was killed by, we are respnsible, period, end of sentence.
That's interesting. So that means you think that if someone is killed
in say, a convenience store robbery, that it's actually the local
police that are responsible for the murder, because they didn't
prevent it?
Why is it so unnacceptable for you to blame the actual killer?
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| User: "Vern Cole" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 12:21:20 PM |
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"Robert" <wayne_s_noches@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<S8n5b.3049$IA.194@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
"Erik Trammel" <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
We shouldn't have destroyed it then
If I invaded your home and did massive damage and you sued me in court, you
would get actual and puntive damage
Same should hold true here
No I wouldn't. The chances are you aren't insured against destroying
somebody's home. Not being insured would mean that I would never be
able to find a lawyer to take the case. Lawsuits are paid by the
insurance, not by the person being sued.
Again there was nothing in Iraq before the bombing to rebuild. We are
starting from scratch and building it.
Vern
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| User: "Maximus Bushwhacker" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 12:16:40 PM |
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"Erik Trammel" <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
As a Muslim nation Iraq can never be a democracy.
That was evident yesterday in the big Shiite burial
cortege and funeral orations at Karbala honoring a slain Muslim
Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer Al Hakim of Hajaf. It was a rather frightening
scene on TV with thousands of Muslims dressed in black robes and
other fanatics whipping themselves with thongs. It would seem that here
were hundreds and hundreds of potential suicide bombers.
In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists. He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran. Recall that an
exiled Iraqi Shiite ayatolla, who was much more moderate than Al Hakim,
was brutally mudered, hacked and torn apart, in Najaf back in April or
May. It appeared that that assassination was carried out by Shiites
under the command of the Iranian Mullahs. It just would not make any
sense for these two assassinations of Islamist ayatollas to have been
perpetrated by Baathists or al Qaeda. How would they gain from an Iraqi
civil war between the Shiites and Wahabbi Sunnis?
The Americans at great cost have just recently liberated the
Iraqi Shiites from the brutal repression of Sunni Muslim Saddam
Hussein's Baathists. But with no gratitude shown on the part of the
Shiite fanatics. The Shiites still look upon the Americans
as infidels and enemies; America is still the Great Satan.
The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task. The crumbling infrastructure of
Iraq is the fault of the Iraqis themselves who did far more destruction
to utilities, buildings, institutions first under Saddam's government
(people get the government they deserve) and then with the vandalism
and pillaging after the war.
The U.S. is quickly forming an all-Iraqi government. That is good. Once
it does that the U.S. should withdraw completely from Iraq's urban areas
but continue for the long term to maintain several military bases and
airfields in easily defended locations.
Ha! Now you've finally come to the realization that Saddam was the only
kind of ruler that could keep control of Iraq. Yes, of course he was an
undesirable leader by democratic standards, but at least he kept civil war
from destabilizing the country and the entire region! Democratic values
can't be injected into unwilling subjects, they have to be learned and
earned the hard way.
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| User: "Vern Cole" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 12:15:57 PM |
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Erik Trammel <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net>...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
We're not trying to rebuild Iraq. There was nothing there before the
bombing to rebuild. The correct term is to build. Remember you can
rebild something that never existed in the first place. We squander
billions of dollars every year on politicians pay, retirement, and
medical benifits. That doesn't even count other benifits such as limo
service.
Vern
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| User: "Bradly Wiebe" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly AndFutile Undertaking. |
04 Sep 2003 12:38:19 PM |
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Vern Cole wrote:
Erik Trammel <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net>...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
We're not trying to rebuild Iraq. There was nothing there before the
bombing to rebuild. The correct term is to build. Remember you can
rebild something that never existed in the first place. We squander
billions of dollars every year on politicians pay, retirement, and
medical benifits. That doesn't even count other benifits such as limo
service.
Vern
Vern don't be a dork. If there was nothing there before the bombing, then why was there a
bombing? Why did the US bomb something that according to you didn't exist in the first place?
Would you like me to post some pictures of Iraqi cities, towns, and infrastructure to prove to
you that there existed actual buildings and structures prior to (as well as during and after)
the US invasion?
The damage done to the nation of Iraq in what many view as an unjust invasion must be repaired,
primarily by the nation that did the damage in the first place, the United States. Not doing so
shows the US government to be both unjust and indifferent to the sufferings it caused the Iraqi
people during the "terrorist hunt" which later became a "WMD hunt" which later became a "regime
change".
--
To reply to this email, change wash to shaw.
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly AndFutile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 09:16:11 PM |
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Erik Trammel wrote:
In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists.
most likely Al Qaeda.
He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran.
I thought Sader was a likely suspect. Then I started to think: But would
another Shia blow up the second most holy mosque of all Shais????????
This I doubt. Not even Sader could expect to have followers after
blowing up Ali's mosque.
Saudis' are Sunni and so is Al Qaeda.
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| User: "Gogarty" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly AndFutile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 09:37:21 PM |
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In article <vld7c4gvh7kcf6@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Saudis' are Sunni and so is Al Qaeda.
Al Quaeda is Wahabbis. I warned about these people long before the war but
no one paid attention.
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| User: "gaffo" |
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03 Sep 2003 10:01:43 PM |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article <vld7c4gvh7kcf6@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Saudis' are Sunni and so is Al Qaeda.
Al Quaeda is Wahabbis. I warned about these people long before the war but
no one paid attention.
that is a faction of Sunni.......is it not?
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| User: "Gogarty" |
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04 Sep 2003 06:28:00 AM |
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In article <vlda1gdrgukk82@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Gogarty wrote:
In article <vld7c4gvh7kcf6@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Saudis' are Sunni and so is Al Qaeda.
Al Quaeda is Wahabbis. I warned about these people long before the war but
no one paid attention.
that is a faction of Sunni.......is it not?
yes, but ultra Islamist. About like the Taliban except wealthy. The Saudi
monarchy depends on them and fears them. The money that Saudi Arabia has
poured into mosques and schools goes to propagate the Wahabi style of Islam.
Nothing good will happen until the Saudi moinrachy itself cracks down on the
Wahabis and removes them from all postions of power and influence and forbids
the teaching of that brand of Islam. Probably way too late now.
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| User: "gaffo" |
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04 Sep 2003 07:18:58 PM |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article <vlda1gdrgukk82@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Gogarty wrote:
In article <vld7c4gvh7kcf6@corp.supernews.com>, says...
Saudis' are Sunni and so is Al Qaeda.
Al Quaeda is Wahabbis. I warned about these people long before the war but
no one paid attention.
that is a faction of Sunni.......is it not?
yes, but ultra Islamist.
ok...........so they and/or AL Qaeda probably blew up the mosque. I
can't see any Shia faction havingthe blasphamy to do this thing.
About like the Taliban except wealthy. The Saudi
monarchy depends on them and fears them.
yes. The house of Saud is on borrowed time.
The money that Saudi Arabia has
poured into mosques and schools goes to propagate the Wahabi style of Islam.
Nothing good will happen until the Saudi moinrachy itself cracks down on the
Wahabis and removes them from all postions of power and influence and forbids
the teaching of that brand of Islam. Probably way too late now.
too late I fear. We will have to deal with the new
government............something i do not look forward to.
we should have fostered democracy in Saudi Arabia starting inthe
1950's.............but we didnt. Now we will have to pay the price.
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| User: "Tim" |
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05 Sep 2003 06:54:27 AM |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article <vlfks9i4hki4af@corp.supernews.com>, says...
we should have fostered democracy in Saudi Arabia starting inthe
1950's.............but we didnt. Now we will have to pay the price.
Not a chance. In those days the State Department and the British Foreign
Office were filled with arabists. Whatever the official attitude toward
Israel, and the US had pushed for the creation of Israel, the striped pants
set was solidly pro Arab and pro-Saudi royal family,
How is it pro Arab to support a dictatorship of Arab civilians?
which apparently
continued right up to the secret evacuation of Saudis in the days after 9/11.
Saudi money was pouring into every country, including the US, to buiold
schools and mosques which prpogated and still do the wahabi brand of Islam.
The largest mosque in Ankara, Turkey, a magnificent edifice, is Wahabi
financed. We have been looking in all the wrong pl;aces to counter this
stuff. The Taliban are only one manifestation. And of course, the
international oil induistry isn't going to do a thing to upset this money
wagon even when their employees must live in cordoned enclaves and their women
either are not allowed in the country in the first place or must wear veials
and may not drive cars.
What have you to say to all that Barbara? Would you care to spend a liitle
time in such a country? I am sure you will say that a veil is not as bad as a
burka.
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05 Sep 2003 08:29:11 PM |
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Tim wrote:
Gogarty wrote:
In article <vlfks9i4hki4af@corp.supernews.com>, says...
we should have fostered democracy in Saudi Arabia starting inthe
1950's.............but we didnt. Now we will have to pay the price.
Not a chance. In those days the State Department and the British
Foreign Office were filled with arabists. Whatever the official
attitude toward Israel, and the US had pushed for the creation of
Israel, the striped pants set was solidly pro Arab and pro-Saudi royal
family,
How is it pro Arab to support a dictatorship of Arab civilians?
good point...............I don't think he meant that..............just
looked that way in this post.
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| User: "" |
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03 Sep 2003 10:29:47 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:15:21 GMT, Erik Trammel the Clueless
<TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote:
The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task.
Then how will you steal all the oil?
The US has to wait until the new corrupt Iraq government writes a
constitution that will allow American firms to buy up everything in Iraq
worth owning at fire sale prices.
Then of course the US Military will have to stay in Iraq to protect US
interests. <snicker>
Norm
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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03 Sep 2003 11:47:23 AM |
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wrote in inimitable style:
On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:15:21 GMT, Erik Trammel the Clueless
<TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote:
The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task.
Then how will you steal all the oil?
The US has to wait until the new corrupt Iraq government writes a
constitution that will allow American firms to buy up everything in Iraq
worth owning at fire sale prices.
Then of course the US Military will have to stay in Iraq to protect US
interests. <snicker>
Norm
Of course you know that if and when the Iraqis actually get constitutional
government, the constitution will have to include clauses in which the U.S.
and U.K. governments get final approval of who holds elective office in the
country. All in the interests of protecting the world against terrorists,
of course.
"You want to know what terrorism is? I'll tell you what terrorism is:
it's $2.50 per gallon!"
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03 Sep 2003 03:11:28 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003, Erik Trammel wrote:
U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile
Almost - but not quite - as wasteful as the billion$ to Israel.
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| User: "Dave Labatt" |
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03 Sep 2003 09:22:29 AM |
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Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
"Erik Trammel" <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:3F55F77D.4010208@netscape.net...
Iraq is an Islamic enemy nation and would remain so even after
the U.S. and perhaps other infidel Western nations squandered
billions of taxpayers' dollars to rebuild it.
As a Muslim nation Iraq can never be a democracy.
That was evident yesterday in the big Shiite burial
cortege and funeral orations at Karbala honoring a slain Muslim
Ayatollah Mohammed Baqer Al Hakim of Hajaf. It was a rather frightening
scene on TV with thousands of Muslims dressed in black robes and
other fanatics whipping themselves with thongs. It would seem that here
were hundreds and hundreds of potential suicide bombers.
In my opinion this Ayatollah was not killed by Saddam's Baathists
or al Qaeda terrorists. He was killed by another even more radical
and militant Shiite sect, closely linked to Iran. Recall that an
exiled Iraqi Shiite ayatolla, who was much more moderate than Al Hakim,
was brutally mudered, hacked and torn apart, in Najaf back in April or
May. It appeared that that assassination was carried out by Shiites
under the command of the Iranian Mullahs. It just would not make any
sense for these two assassinations of Islamist ayatollas to have been
perpetrated by Baathists or al Qaeda. How would they gain from an Iraqi
civil war between the Shiites and Wahabbi Sunnis?
The Americans at great cost have just recently liberated the
Iraqi Shiites from the brutal repression of Sunni Muslim Saddam
Hussein's Baathists. But with no gratitude shown on the part of the
Shiite fanatics. The Shiites still look upon the Americans
as infidels and enemies; America is still the Great Satan.
The Bush government should give up the notion of trying to pacify or
rebuild Iraq. It is an impossible task. The crumbling infrastructure of
Iraq is the fault of the Iraqis themselves who did far more destruction
to utilities, buildings, institutions first under Saddam's government
(people get the government they deserve) and then with the vandalism
and pillaging after the war.
The U.S. is quickly forming an all-Iraqi government. That is good. Once
it does that the U.S. should withdraw completely from Iraq's urban areas
but continue for the long term to maintain several military bases and
airfields in easily defended locations.
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| User: "Robert" |
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03 Sep 2003 09:46:39 AM |
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"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
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03 Sep 2003 02:00:04 PM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:46:39 GMT, "Robert" <wayne_s_noches@yahoo.com>
wrote:
"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
Like the are in Iraq now, like they did in Germany and Japan?
Sure you ever took history in school?
-Rich
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| User: "Erik Trammel" |
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03 Sep 2003 10:19:01 AM |
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Robert wrote:
"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
No, they would not be cutting and running. They would still maintain
a formidable military presence in Iraq, in secure military bases and
airfields, as they are doing in Afghanistan. However, they would be
disengaging themselves from
nation building which would be extremely costly to American taxpayers
and would also be futile anc counterproductive in a Muslim country.
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| User: "Eric Salmassy" |
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03 Sep 2003 11:40:10 AM |
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Erik Trammel <TrmAmme@netscape.net> wrote in
news:3F56066A.40909@netscape.net:
Robert wrote:
"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
No, they would not be cutting and running. They would still maintain
a formidable military presence in Iraq, in secure military bases and
airfields, as they are doing in Afghanistan. However, they would be
disengaging themselves from
nation building which would be extremely costly to American taxpayers
and would also be futile anc counterproductive in a Muslim country.
Let me make sure I understand you: The US should lie about justification
for a war, unilaterally invade a country, destroy its infrastructure, grab
some land for military bases and then tell the population to *****.
Inunderstand all right, you are sick.
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| User: "Tim" |
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03 Sep 2003 10:50:17 AM |
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Erik Trammel wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
No, they would not be cutting and running. They would still maintain
a formidable military presence in Iraq, in secure military bases and
airfields, as they are doing in Afghanistan. However, they would be
disengaging themselves from
nation building which would be extremely costly to American taxpayers
and would also be futile anc counterproductive in a Muslim country.
So then they'd be going back on their word to the Iraqi people?
Nothing new, I suppose.
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| User: "Scott Willing" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Should Not Be Trying To Rebuild Iraq. It Is A Costly And Futile Undertaking. |
03 Sep 2003 11:09:09 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 15:19:01 GMT, Erik Trammel <TrmAmme@netscape.net>
wrote:
Robert wrote:
"Dave Labatt" <dlabat@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:FOm5b.9095$zZ3.7318@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
Yep that's the US way: Invade, Overthrow, Cut and Run.
Yeah, cut and run like the cowards these neocons really are
No, they would not be cutting and running. They would still maintain
a formidable military presence in Iraq, in secure military bases and
airfields, as they are doing in Afghanistan. However, they would be
disengaging themselves from
nation building which would be extremely costly to American taxpayers
and would also be futile anc counterproductive in a Muslim country.
Nation building? They haven't even managed to establish a modicum of
order. They're a long way from nation building, ET.
Given that (1) there has been no proof that Iraq presented a clear and
imminent threat to anybody, and indeed (2) if anything there is a
rising tide of evidence that so-called proof was knowingly
manufactured, (3) nothing was going on in that country that various US
administrations had not passively condoned or actively supported in
the past, and (4) the US is apparently incapable or unprepared to
maintain order there now, there was clearly not even a half-baked
plan, much less justification, for going into the country in the first
place.
Now that they are there, they have a moral responsibility to clean up
the mess at the very least. (Not that moral responsibility has often
been an issue for American leadership, regardless of opinion amongst
the rank and file.)
Of course you are able to justify further irresponsible treatment of
Iraquis citizens on the grounds that they are just a bunch of useless
Arabs Muslim potential terrorists. I suppose that has a certain
internal consistency, however revolting it may be to anyone with a
sense of humanity or justice.
Your posts consistently and clearly reveal a bias against all things
Muslim. Better to take issue with religious fundamentalism of any
stripe, ET. Fundamentalists typically espouse the very worst possible
distortion of their respective faiths, giving them a bad name in the
bargain. GWB's fundamentalist Christian bent is every bit as dangerous
to world peace and moderate people of all faiths as is the
fundamentalist Muslim bent of whack jobs like O bin L. Probably
moreso, given the resources at GWB's disposal.
I'm sure there are Arab and/or Muslim bullet-heads just like yourself
who would view Bush's ravings as proof of the moral depravity of
everyone of Judeo-Christian faith.
How exactly can Bush profess belief in a religion named after a hippie
peacenik lover of the poor and disenfranchised, at the same time as
he's making unjustified war on an already trampled people, and
harpooning his own nation's economy with tax cuts for the rich? It's
logic only another nut case like Bin Laden could love.
Or perhaps one so-called Erik Trammel.
Make war, by all means. Make the rich richer, by all means. But by GOD
don't waste money on social programs, nation building and all that
other touchy-feeling humanity stuff. That about sum it up, ET?
-=s
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