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"Paul Revere" |
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15 Jul 2005 12:20:39 PM |
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Valerie Plame will work as a Covert CIA Operative again |
Scum, like cream, will rise to the top where "Turd blossoms"
lilke Rove, Novak, and Solomon float together.
"Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak"
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-cia-leak-rove,0,4798469,print.story?coll=nyc-nationhome-headlines
Go ahead, read it, it's the most absurd Republican "journalism" yet.
Actually this article by John Solomon contradicts its own title
by claiming that, some "anonymous" legal person leaked secret
grand jury testimony by claiming that Rove learned Plame's name
from some unknown reporter....
Then if you swallow that crap you're ready for Solomon's other
claim that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was not a covert CIA operative.
Whether or not Plame was on "active duty" as a covert CIA
operative at the time of her outing is irrelevant for Rove's defence.
Plame had certainly worked as a covert CIA operative and
therefore Rove clearly helped to expose a covert operative
because Valerie Plame, can never work in that capacity again.
Rove should not have national security clearance.
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| User: "James" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame will work as a Covert CIA Operative again |
15 Jul 2005 02:52:15 PM |
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"Paul Revere" <Bluecoats@democracy.gov> wrote in message
news:11dfs372oc27ta2@corp.supernews.com...
Scum, like cream, will rise to the top where "Turd blossoms"
lilke Rove, Novak, and Solomon float together.
"Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak"
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-cia-leak-rove,0,4798
469,print.story?coll=nyc-nationhome-headlines
Go ahead, read it, it's the most absurd Republican "journalism" yet.
Actually this article by John Solomon contradicts its own title
by claiming that, some "anonymous" legal person leaked secret
grand jury testimony by claiming that Rove learned Plame's name
from some unknown reporter....
Then if you swallow that crap you're ready for Solomon's other
claim that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was not a covert CIA operative.
Whether or not Plame was on "active duty" as a covert CIA
operative at the time of her outing is irrelevant for Rove's defence.
Plame had certainly worked as a covert CIA operative and
therefore Rove clearly helped to expose a covert operative
because Valerie Plame, can never work in that capacity again.
Rove should not have national security clearance.
That ***** is over with. You lost. The question now is whether Valerie will
pose nude for Playboy magazine.
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| User: "Server 13" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame will work as a Covert CIA Operative again |
15 Jul 2005 03:18:41 PM |
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James wrote:
"Paul Revere" <Bluecoats@democracy.gov> wrote in message
news:11dfs372oc27ta2@corp.supernews.com...
Scum, like cream, will rise to the top where "Turd blossoms"
lilke Rove, Novak, and Solomon float together.
"Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak"
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-cia-leak-rove,0,4798
469,print.story?coll=nyc-nationhome-headlines
Go ahead, read it, it's the most absurd Republican "journalism" yet.
Actually this article by John Solomon contradicts its own title
by claiming that, some "anonymous" legal person leaked secret
grand jury testimony by claiming that Rove learned Plame's name
from some unknown reporter....
Then if you swallow that crap you're ready for Solomon's other
claim that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was not a covert CIA operative.
Whether or not Plame was on "active duty" as a covert CIA
operative at the time of her outing is irrelevant for Rove's defence.
Plame had certainly worked as a covert CIA operative and
therefore Rove clearly helped to expose a covert operative
because Valerie Plame, can never work in that capacity again.
Rove should not have national security clearance.
That ***** is over with. You lost.
Cite?
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| User: "XTS" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame will work as a Covert CIA Operative again |
15 Jul 2005 04:17:09 PM |
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"Paul Revere" <Bluecoats@democracy.gov> wrote in message
news:11dfs372oc27ta2@corp.supernews.com...
Scum, like cream, will rise to the top where "Turd blossoms"
lilke Rove, Novak, and Solomon float together.
"Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak"
http://www.nynewsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/sns-ap-cia-leak-rove,0,4798
469,print.story?coll=nyc-nationhome-headlines
Go ahead, read it, it's the most absurd Republican "journalism" yet.
Actually this article by John Solomon contradicts its own title
by claiming that, some "anonymous" legal person leaked secret
grand jury testimony by claiming that Rove learned Plame's name
from some unknown reporter....
Then if you swallow that crap you're ready for Solomon's other
claim that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was not a covert CIA operative.
Whether or not Plame was on "active duty" as a covert CIA
operative at the time of her outing is irrelevant for Rove's defence.
Plame had certainly worked as a covert CIA operative and
therefore Rove clearly helped to expose a covert operative
because Valerie Plame, can never work in that capacity again.
Rove should not have national security clearance.
Rove is a habitual liar, and should be in jail for treason.
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| User: "Joshua Heard" |
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| Title: Valerie Plame |
15 Jul 2005 03:15:17 PM |
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She had not been a covert operator for 7 years prior to the issue and had
basically retired to Wash. DC to raise her family.
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| User: "Tex" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame |
15 Jul 2005 03:46:28 PM |
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Joshua Heard wrote:
She had not been a covert operator for 7 years prior to the issue and had
basically retired to Wash. DC to raise her family.
A retired CIA operative says otherwise.
Why should I believe you ?
http://www.allhatnocattle.net/
The Big Lie About Valerie Plame
by Retired CIA officer Larry Johnson
http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340
The misinformation being spread in the media about the Plame affair is alarming and
damaging to the longterm security interests of the United States. Republicans'
talking points are trying to savage Joe Wilson and, by implication, his wife, Valerie
Plame as liars. That is the truly big lie.
For starters, Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the
press by Robert Novak. Novak's column was not an isolated attack. It was in fact
part of a coordinated, orchestrated smear that we now know includes at least Karl Rove.
Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA.
I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were
undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working
for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we
had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas
engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.
A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover
officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a
diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.
The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J.
O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert
Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front
was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised
her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that
company and with her.
The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken".
I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was
breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically
identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political
hacks may feel free to violate.
They try to hide behind the specious claim that Joe Wilson "lied". Although Joe did
not lie let's follow that reasoning to the logical conclusion. Let's use the same
standard for the Bush Administration. Here are the facts. Bush's lies have resulted
in the deaths of almost 1800 American soldiers and the mutilation of 12,000. Joe
Wilson has not killed anyone. He tried to prevent the needless death of Americans
and the loss of American prestige in the world.
But don't take my word for it, read the biased Senate intelligence committee report.
Even though it was slanted to try to portray Joe in the worst possible light this fact
emerges on page 52 of the report: According to the US Ambassador to Niger
(who was commenting on Joe's visit in February 2002), "Ambassador Wilson
reached the same conclusion that the Embassy has reached that it was highly
unlikely that anything between Iraq and Niger was going on." Joe's findings were
consistent with those of the Deputy Commander of the European Command, Major
General Fulford.
The Republicans insist on the lie that Val got her husband the job. She did not.
She was not a division director, instead she was the equivalent of an Army major.
Yes it is true she recommended her husband to do the job that needed to be done
but the decision to send Joe Wilson on this mission was made by her bosses.
At the end of the day, Joe Wilson was right. There were no weapons of mass
destruction in Iraq. It was the Bush Administration that pushed that lie and because
of that lie Americans are dying. Shame on those who continue to slander Joe
Wilson while giving Bush and his pack of liars a pass. That's the true outrage.
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| User: "LoneStar" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame |
15 Jul 2005 04:33:14 PM |
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"Tex" <bush@allhatnocattle.com> wrote in message
news:11dg854jjsjj4e2@corp.supernews.com...
The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were
broken".
I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code
was
breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives
publically
identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of
political
hacks may feel free to violate.
I think you need to read/listen to the latest news on the Plume "leak."
Even the NYT agrees that Rove was not the monster you make him out to be.
Wilson is a rabid partisan, just like you, so there's no credibility there.
Novak initiated the Plume conversation, etc, etc. You know the story; you
just don't want to admit that you have no idea what objective reasoning is
versus your left-leaning political bias.
EW
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Valerie Plame |
15 Jul 2005 05:06:56 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:33:14 -0500, "LoneStar"
<ewyatt_del_me@excite.com> wrote:
"Tex" <bush@allhatnocattle.com> wrote in message
news:11dg854jjsjj4e2@corp.supernews.com...
The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were
broken".
I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code
was
breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives
publically
identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of
political
hacks may feel free to violate.
I think you need to read/listen to the latest news on the Plume "leak."
Even the NYT agrees that Rove was not the monster you make him out to be.
Wilson is a rabid partisan, just like you, so there's no credibility there.
Novak initiated the Plume conversation, etc, etc. You know the story; you
just don't want to admit that you have no idea what objective reasoning is
versus your left-leaning political bias.
I think you need to get a better source of news, rather than show
ignorance by trying to spam regurgitated spin you get from whichever
rightwing site is handy, or Faux Snooze.
You DO know that Faux "news" was, and is now, originated solely for
the purpose of ENTERTAINING a few dozen percent of the social
conservative rightwing of the political spectrum, do you not?
Same for a half dozen or so "entertainment" programs like O'Really,
Hannity, NewsExLax, Limpballs and the NYPost (not to mention the
80,000 cir. Moonie TImes)
But make no mistake.
It's still ENTERTAINMENT.
You wouldn't be watching it if it wasn't.
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"...."Positive polarization" has given the party a hateful and frightening face, ushering in
spates of gay-bashing, intolerance toward legal immigrants and declarations of a "Christian nation,
" essentially telling Jews and those outside of fundamentalist Christianity to get lost. Over the
last two general elections, the state GOP in California has been virtually annihilated.
Even Southern voters are clearly moving on. In the '98 elections, GOP candidates were toppled in
Alabama, Georgia and the Carolinas. But party leadership seems reluctant to hear the message..."
Edward Tafel---Log Cabin Republicans
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