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User: "Black Elk"
Date: 13 Nov 2005 02:33:26 PM
Object: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated.
Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war
Nov. 13, 2005
Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president in
2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in a
newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the invasion.
"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now regrets
his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to invade
Iraq.
"Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told -- and
what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in fact
we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our
forces invaded Iraq in 2003."
The former North Carolina senator continued: "The intelligence was deeply
flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda."
"It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for
that mistake," Edwards wrote, in what will likely be seen as a gambit to
reposition himself ahead of a 2008 presidential run.
He wrote those remarks as US public support for the war has plummeted, as
has Bush's popularity, in large part because of the mounting US casualties
there, and as a growing number of politicians are questioning the wisdom of
the US-led campaign to oust former dictator Saddam Hussein.
Edwards was the running mate of Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry
in their failed November election bid.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051113/ts_alt_afp/usiraqvotepolitics_051113190851&printer=1;_ylt=At5mFtclz3ff6ckMv4BaJnzZa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
--
A published report says a top al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody gave false
information later used by the Bush administration to support its contention
that Iraq trained al-Qaida militants to use illegal weapons.
The New York Times reports Sunday that newly declassified portions of a
February 2002 Defense Intelligence Agency document says Ibn al-Shaykh
al-Libi misled debriefers in his claims about Iraq's work with al-Qaida
members.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/2005/intell-051106-voa01.htm
--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."
- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."
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User: "golds"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 13 Nov 2005 03:47:15 PM
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37362$4377a31b$4e3c969$25850@DIALUPUSA.NET...

Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war

Nov. 13, 2005

Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president
in 2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in a
newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the
invasion.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now regrets
his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to invade
Iraq.

"Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told --
and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But in
fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when
our forces invaded Iraq in 2003."

Sooooo...he lied!!


The former North Carolina senator continued: "The intelligence was deeply
flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda."

"It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for
that mistake," Edwards wrote, in what will likely be seen as a gambit to
reposition himself ahead of a 2008 presidential run.

He wrote those remarks as US public support for the war has plummeted, as
has Bush's popularity, in large part because of the mounting US casualties
there, and as a growing number of politicians are questioning the wisdom
of the US-led campaign to oust former dictator Saddam Hussein.

Edwards was the running mate of Democratic presidential candidate John
Kerry in their failed November election bid.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051113/ts_alt_afp/usiraqvotepolitics_051113190851&printer=1;_ylt=At5mFtclz3ff6ckMv4BaJnzZa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-


--
They Knew...

Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/


--
A published report says a top al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody gave
false
information later used by the Bush administration to support its
contention
that Iraq trained al-Qaida militants to use illegal weapons.

The New York Times reports Sunday that newly declassified portions of a
February 2002 Defense Intelligence Agency document says Ibn al-Shaykh
al-Libi misled debriefers in his claims about Iraq's work with al-Qaida
members.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/2005/intell-051106-voa01.htm


--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."

- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."


--
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User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 13 Nov 2005 03:51:53 PM
<golds> wrote in message news:Dbydnb-I0sQ9KereRVn-ow@adelphia.com...


"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37362$4377a31b$4e3c969$25850@DIALUPUSA.NET...

Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war

Nov. 13, 2005

Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president
in 2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in
a newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the
invasion.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now
regrets his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to
invade Iraq.

"Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told --
and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But
in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction
when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003."


Sooooo...he lied!!

No, you're lying by mischaracterizing what Edwards said. Did you miss the
part about 'we now know'? I didn't think so.
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/



The former North Carolina senator continued: "The intelligence was deeply
flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda."

"It was a mistake to vote for this war in 2002. I take responsibility for
that mistake," Edwards wrote, in what will likely be seen as a gambit to
reposition himself ahead of a 2008 presidential run.

He wrote those remarks as US public support for the war has plummeted, as
has Bush's popularity, in large part because of the mounting US
casualties there, and as a growing number of politicians are questioning
the wisdom of the US-led campaign to oust former dictator Saddam Hussein.

Edwards was the running mate of Democratic presidential candidate John
Kerry in their failed November election bid.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051113/ts_alt_afp/usiraqvotepolitics_051113190851&printer=1;_ylt=At5mFtclz3ff6ckMv4BaJnzZa7gF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-


--
They Knew...

Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was
warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/


--
A published report says a top al-Qaida operative in U.S. custody gave
false
information later used by the Bush administration to support its
contention
that Iraq trained al-Qaida militants to use illegal weapons.

The New York Times reports Sunday that newly declassified portions of a
February 2002 Defense Intelligence Agency document says Ibn al-Shaykh
al-Libi misled debriefers in his claims about Iraq's work with al-Qaida
members.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/news/2005/intell-051106-voa01.htm


--
"From the brief time that we did spend occupying Iraqi territory
after the war, I am certain that had we taken all of Iraq, we would
have been like the dinosaur in the tar pit - we would still be there,
and we, not the United Nations, would be bearing the costs of
the occupation. This is a burden I am sure the beleaguered
American taxpayer would not have been happy to take on."

- Norman Schwarzkopf, from his 1993 autobiography, "It Doesn't
Take a Hero."


--
The fair use of a copyrighted work:

In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site
is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior
interest in receiving the included information for research and
educational purposes. For more information go to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.






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User: "Werner Hetzner"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 13 Nov 2005 04:41:14 PM
Black Elk wrote:

<golds> wrote in message news:Dbydnb-I0sQ9KereRVn-ow@adelphia.com...


"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:37362$4377a31b$4e3c969$25850@DIALUPUSA.NET...


Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war

Nov. 13, 2005

Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president
in 2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in
a newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the
invasion.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now
regrets his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to
invade Iraq.

"Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told --
and what many of us believed and argued -- was a threat to America. But
in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction
when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003."


Sooooo...he lied!!



No, you're lying by mischaracterizing what Edwards said. Did you miss the
part about 'we now know'? I didn't think so.

Edwards is a lawyer. That already makes his veracity suspect. Come to
think of it, most politicians are lawyers.
.



User: "Salad"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 13 Nov 2005 04:13:14 PM
Black Elk wrote:

Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war

Nov. 13, 2005

Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president in
2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in a
newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the invasion.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now regrets
his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to invade
Iraq.

Both Republicans and Democrats made flawed decisions...even tho millions
worldwide protested against the runup to the war. It was a shoot first,
ask questions later operation. The Democrats were sandbagged into
voting for the war by holding the war vote 2 months prior to the
election. They now have some culpability in creating the mess...even if
they apologise.
By and large, those that wanted to go to war were Republicans. And the
mood was "If you are against the war, you are with the terrorists."
Being branded a terrorist supporter is what bush and Rove were hoping
for in the 2002 election.
bush and rove are sneaky, evil, and got what they wanted to do...go to
war. They didn't have to put their kids up to fight.
.
User: "golds"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 15 Nov 2005 04:02:34 AM
"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:_TOdf.1144$s14.594@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...

Black Elk wrote:

Former US VP candidate Edwards regrets support for Iraq war

Nov. 13, 2005

Former US Senator John Edwards, the Democratic nominee for vice president
in 2004, broke with his campaign stance on the war in Iraq, declaring in
a newspaper opinion piece that he made "a mistake" in supporting the
invasion.

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now
regrets his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to
invade Iraq.


Both Republicans and Democrats made flawed decisions...even tho millions
worldwide protested against the runup to the war. It was a shoot first,
ask questions later operation. The Democrats were sandbagged into voting
for the war by holding the war vote 2 months prior to the election. They
now have some culpability in creating the mess...even if they apologise.

By and large, those that wanted to go to war were Republicans.

Actually, 70% of the American people supported the war when we went in.

.And the mood was "If you are against the war, you are with the
terrorists." Being branded a terrorist supporter is what bush and Rove were
hoping for in the 2002 election.

bush and rove are sneaky, evil, and got what they wanted to do...go to
war. They didn't have to put their kids up to fight.

.

User: "Timothy"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 13 Nov 2005 05:14:32 PM
Salad wrote:

"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now regrets
his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to invade
Iraq.

Bush II on the other hand is not a flipflopper: he is not the type of
leader who is going to back down from a war just because the
intelligence doesn't support his rationale for it. Once Bush II
reaches a conclusion, he consistently and resolutely sticks to it, no
matter what new facts come to light.
.
User: "Salad"

Title: Re: VP candidate John Edwards says Iraq intel deeply flawed and manipulated. 14 Nov 2005 12:27:58 AM
Timothy wrote:

Salad wrote:


"I was wrong," Edwards wrote in the Washington Post, saying he now regrets
his decision to give US President George W. Bush the authority to invade
Iraq.



Bush II on the other hand is not a flipflopper: he is not the type of
leader who is going to back down from a war just because the
intelligence doesn't support his rationale for it. Once Bush II
reaches a conclusion, he consistently and resolutely sticks to it, no
matter what new facts come to light.

Sounds dangerous. He is.
.




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