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19 Nov 2005 01:21:22 AM |
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Waddya know? Repugs vote against their own bill. Hahahahahaha |
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
Republican-led House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution hours before
lawmakers were to start a Thanksgiving holiday recess, said the vote
was intended to show backing for U.S. forces.
Democrats denounced it as a political stunt and an attack on Rep. John
Murtha of Pennsylvania, a leading Democratic military hawk who stunned
his colleagues on Thursday by calling for troops to be withdrawn as
quickly as possible.
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2,085 American troops are dead, 15,704 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war and the Chickenhawk criminals roam free.
Harry
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19 Nov 2005 01:35:32 AM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
Republican-led House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution hours before
lawmakers were to start a Thanksgiving holiday recess, said the vote
was intended to show backing for U.S. forces.
Democrats denounced it as a political stunt and an attack on Rep. John
Murtha of Pennsylvania, a leading Democratic military hawk who stunned
his colleagues on Thursday by calling for troops to be withdrawn as
quickly as possible.
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2,085 American troops are dead, 15,704 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war and the Chickenhawk criminals roam free.
Harry
How could all of this have happened HERE in the USA? This is the kind of
stuff we hear about from lesser nations. Politicians sending our young
people to die for NOTHING. If it weren't so tragic, it would be a cartoon.
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19 Nov 2005 08:21:06 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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19 Nov 2005 12:20:30 PM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
You're either a liar or an idiot. Murtha did not introduce the resolution
voted on. It was introduced by the repugnant GOPher leadership as was
widely reported.
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19 Nov 2005 05:43:40 PM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-
19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
You're either a liar or an idiot. Murtha did not introduce the resolution
voted on. It was introduced by the repugnant GOPher leadership as was
widely reported.
It was Duncan Hunters bill they tried to pass off as Murtha's and got
caught dead to rights by parliamtary carification. That was why the
democrats as a body voted to keep it off the floor, but the GOP kept it
alive by majority, denated it, the vted it down as an 11th hour stunt.
Nothing more.
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| User: "Passerby Passerby @midnight.net" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:05:08 PM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
You're either a liar or an idiot. Murtha did not introduce the resolution
voted on. It was introduced by the repugnant GOPher leadership as was
widely reported.
Specifically, it was Duncan Hunter who introduced the resolution. He's the
numbnutz that sat down at a table for two on camera and ate a fish dinner
similar to one served at GITMO. He humiliated himself, attempting to
demonstrate how well-fed the "detainees" are.
The Hunter and the Fox...all the makings of a modern-day fable...
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| User: "Krustys Mom" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:41:20 PM |
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"Passerby" <Passerby @midnight.net> wrote in message
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Specifically, it was Duncan Hunter who introduced the resolution. He's
the numbnutz that sat down at a table for two on camera and ate a fish
dinner similar to one served at GITMO. He humiliated himself, attempting
to demonstrate how well-fed the "detainees" are.
Found him talking about the menu:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/06/12.html#a3409
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| User: "Passerby Passerby @midnight.net" |
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19 Nov 2005 10:43:18 AM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed resolution was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor. The
republicans introduced their own, and it was a watered down version of
Murtha's, which the republicans intentionally designed to elicit "no" votes.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/216940.htm
Excerpt:
Why House Republicans Moved to Withdraw Troops from Iraq
On Friday, Republicans in the House of Representatives introduce for
consideration a resolution requiring the nearly immediate withdrawal of all
U.S. troops from Iraq. The resolution, after a heated debate, was defeated
403-3. Why would House Republicans, who, along with President Bush, support
continued U.S. military presence in Iraq, propose a resolution to pull the
troops out?
Republican representatives actually proposed their resolution to immediately
withdraw the troops in an attempt to force a show of congressional support
for continuation of the Iraq war. The Republicans knew their resolution
would fail and were counting on the resounding "No" vote it ultimately
received.
http://tinyurl.com/8bybq
The nonbinding resolution, defeated 403-3, was offered by the majority
Republicans to demonstrate that the idea of forcing a quick end to the U.S.
occupation of Iraq has scant support.
Text of Murtha's FULL proposed resolution, which was not the one called for
by the republicans for a vote on the floor:
Murtha Resolution To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq:
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
November 17, 2005
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred
to the Committee on _____________________
Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear,
measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in
Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are
essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";
Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U, S. military forces cannot
be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U
S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;
Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States
Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;
Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have
been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom;
Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency,
Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want U.S.
forces out of Iraq;
Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the
attacks on U.S. forces are justified;
Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing
U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United
States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which
were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such
action;
Therefore be it
I) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in
2) Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction
of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the
earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence
of U.S Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3 The United States of America shall pursue security and
stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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19 Nov 2005 10:55:07 AM |
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Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132410066.655208.135960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed resolution was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
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| User: "XTS" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:39:11 PM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132410066.655208.135960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-
19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed resolution
was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
That was not an amended version of Murthas bill, That was bill by Duncan
Hunter.
I noticed you left out the democratic parliamentary call for clarification
on who's bill it was. So your selective explanation is just another lie.
It was not even close to Murthas. The bill submitted by hunter was first
voted on to see if it made it to the floor. The GOP voted yes, the democrats
voted no, because it was a fake. But, the gop got the vote by their
majority...they they all voted against it, proving it was sham, a tacitc and
nothing mre than an 11th hour pre-holiday stunt.
So perhaps you should get a clue dumbass. And, you are just another fucking
liar.
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19 Nov 2005 06:20:20 PM |
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"XTS" <xts@Xwoh.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132419307.820534.13940@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132410066.655208.135960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-
19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your
facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed
resolution
was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
That was not an amended version of Murthas bill
The content was the same, it was worded exactly as the left has been
screaming about.
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19 Nov 2005 11:25:59 PM |
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XTS wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Harry Hope wrote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
...the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
That was not an amended version of Murthas bill, That was bill by Duncan
Hunter.
It was not even close to Murthas. The bill submitted by hunter was first
voted on to see if it made it to the floor. The GOP voted yes, the democrats
voted no, because it was a fake. But, the gop got the vote by their
majority...they they all voted against it, proving it was sham, a tacitc and
nothing mre than an 11th hour pre-holiday stunt.
Think of all the effort and fuss that could have been avoided if John
Murtha hadn't tried to provide aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq and
if John Murtha hadn't tried to stab his own military in the back by
introducing his "cut and run" bill the other day.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
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19 Nov 2005 11:48:21 PM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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XTS wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Harry Hope wrote:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
...the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your
facts
straight you liberal traitor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a
bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
That was not an amended version of Murthas bill, That was bill by Duncan
Hunter.
It was not even close to Murthas. The bill submitted by hunter was
first
voted on to see if it made it to the floor. The GOP voted yes, the
democrats
voted no, because it was a fake. But, the gop got the vote by their
majority...they they all voted against it, proving it was sham, a tacitc
and
nothing mre than an 11th hour pre-holiday stunt.
Think of all the effort and fuss that could have been avoided if John
Murtha hadn't tried to provide aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq and
if John Murtha hadn't tried to stab his own military in the back by
introducing his "cut and run" bill the other day.
I could think of the money and time your parents wasted on educating you,
and it just didn't take, but thats none of my business.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
That is not the point kid. The republicans did not introduce his proposal,
the introduced a sham by Duncan Hunter. You kids have an allergy to the
facts and the truth. I was watching it live when the democrats called for a
parliamtary clarification, and asked specicalliy if it was Murtha's
dcouemnt, the answer was NO, it was Hunters. For god's aake kid, quit
trying to make it something it was not. America watched it live *****.
You can't revise it today. Perhaaps you can fool yourself, because you are a
fool, but not anyone else, who simply watched the truth unfold. My goodness,
quit the dope or the booze or whatever it is that is making you just so damn
stupid.
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20 Nov 2005 02:45:45 PM |
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XTS wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Think of all the effort and fuss that could have been avoided if John
Murtha hadn't tried to provide aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq and
if John Murtha hadn't tried to stab his own military in the back by
introducing his "cut and run" bill the other day.
I could think of the money and time your parents wasted on educating you,
and it just didn't take, but thats none of my business.
What makes you think my parents were alive when I was going to school
and that they paid for my education? Are these just like your grasp of
international politics - just more fantsies that you invent in your pea
sized mind that are not true.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
Congresswoman Jean Schmidt responded on the floor of the House:
"Yesterday I stood at Arlington
National Cemetery attending the funeral of a young marine in my
district. He believed in what we were doing is the right thing and had
the courage to lay his life on the line to do it. A few minutes ago I
received a call from Colonel Danny Bubp, Ohio Representative from the
88th district in the House of Representatives. He asked me to send
Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send
Congressman Murtha a message, that cowards cut and run, Marines never
do. Danny and the rest of America and the world want the assurance from
this body - that we will see this through."
http://www.house.state.oh.us/jsps/MemberDetails.jsp?DISTRICT=88
By the way...
In case you want to understand the entire history of the conflict, Here
is all the source material (this assumes that you can read).
First declaration of war against Iraq (Public Law 102-1)
http://www.milnet.com/public-law-102-1.html
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338)
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf
Declaration of war against 9/11 terrorists (Public law 107-40)
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_pu...
Second declaration of war against Iraq (Public law 107-243)
http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf
UN Security Council resolution 678 authorizing member states to use
"all necessary means" against Iraq to restore peace and security:
http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/1990/scres90.htm
UN Security Council resolution 1441 declaring Iraq in violation of its
obligations under previous UNSC resolutions, specifically referencing
resolution 678 and then declaring Saddam a threat to peace and
security:
http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/2002/sc2002.htm
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20 Nov 2005 06:49:04 PM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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XTS wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Think of all the effort and fuss that could have been avoided if John
Murtha hadn't tried to provide aid and comfort to the enemy in Iraq and
if John Murtha hadn't tried to stab his own military in the back by
introducing his "cut and run" bill the other day.
I could think of the money and time your parents wasted on educating you,
and it just didn't take, but thats none of my business.
What makes you think my parents were alive when I was going to school
and that they paid for my education? Are these just like your grasp of
international politics - just more fantsies that you invent in your pea
sized mind that are not true.
MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution...
*cough*(Hunter)
"...Therefore be it Resolved
by the Senate and House of Representatives
of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
That: Section 1. The deployment of United States forces
in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is... hereby terminated
and the forces involved are to be redeployed..."
Congresswoman Jean Schmidt responded on the floor of the House:
"Yesterday I stood at Arlington
National Cemetery attending the funeral of a young marine in my
district. He believed in what we were doing is the right thing and had
the courage to lay his life on the line to do it. A few minutes ago I
received a call from Colonel Danny Bubp, Ohio Representative from the
88th district in the House of Representatives. He asked me to send
Congress a message: Stay the course. He also asked me to send
Congressman Murtha a message, that cowards cut and run, Marines never
do. Danny and the rest of America and the world want the assurance from
this body - that we will see this through."
http://www.house.state.oh.us/jsps/MemberDetails.jsp?DISTRICT=88
By the way...
In case you want to understand the entire history of the conflict, Here
is all the source material (this assumes that you can read).
First declaration of war against Iraq (Public Law 102-1)
http://www.milnet.com/public-law-102-1.html
The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 (Public Law 105-338)
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/libact103198.pdf
Declaration of war against 9/11 terrorists (Public law 107-40)
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_pu...
Second declaration of war against Iraq (Public law 107-243)
http://www.broadbandc-span.org/downloads/hjres114.pdf
UN Security Council resolution 678 authorizing member states to use
"all necessary means" against Iraq to restore peace and security:
http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/1990/scres90.htm
UN Security Council resolution 1441 declaring Iraq in violation of its
obligations under previous UNSC resolutions, specifically referencing
resolution 678 and then declaring Saddam a threat to peace and
security:
http://www.un.org/Docs/scres/2002/sc2002.htm
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed resolution
was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
You cannot be serious. But carry on. Still laughing at your delusional
statements.
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Passerby wrote:
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132410066.655208.135960@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
By a vote of 403 to 3. Looks bipartisan to me.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution...
Liar. Democrat John Murtha introduced the resolution. Get your facts
straight you liberal traitor.
How totally misinformed and wrong you are. Murtha's proposed resolution
was
not the "surprise resolution". It never made it to the floor.
Murtha's resolution was amended as is common practice in the congress.
Murtha never the less is the author and the introducer of the bill.
*****!
You don't know much about how Congress works, do you, boy?
You obviously didn't watch it.
Haven't you even seen the Saturday morning cartoon for kids "how a bill
becomes a law"??
For gosh sakes get a clue, sonny!!
Yes, we know how it works.
MURTHA DID NOT INTRODUCE THE BILL!!! STOP LYING!! People have been telling
you this all morning.
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19 Nov 2005 01:39:59 AM |
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Harry,
Where were your guys? Where were the voices of peace and
moderation? Hmm? You can spin ***** better then most but Democrats were
MIA. If you guys wanted an opportunity to speak up..here it was. Like
always the Democrats run and hide. It is proof with the Democrats it is
always about power not about the country.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:5jktn1tbqn67kkvl21necgfr6lkm47ao72@4ax.com...
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
Republican-led House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution hours before
lawmakers were to start a Thanksgiving holiday recess, said the vote
was intended to show backing for U.S. forces.
Democrats denounced it as a political stunt and an attack on Rep. John
Murtha of Pennsylvania, a leading Democratic military hawk who stunned
his colleagues on Thursday by calling for troops to be withdrawn as
quickly as possible.
____________________________________________________________
2,085 American troops are dead, 15,704 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war and the Chickenhawk criminals roam free.
Harry
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19 Nov 2005 01:47:55 AM |
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"Seth Mauseth" <sethmauseth@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
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Harry,
Where were your guys? Where were the voices of peace and
moderation? Hmm? You can spin ***** better then most but Democrats were
MIA. If you guys wanted an opportunity to speak up..here it was. Like
always the Democrats run and hide. It is proof with the Democrats it is
always about power not about the country.
You must not have heard the C-Span recording of the reaction to Jean
Schmidt's lies. There was PLENTY of dissent. Just because you live with YOUR
ears covered doesn't mean the rest of us aren't ***** about the
Republican debacles going on. Where is YOUR moral compass? This OK with you
that we have spent over $200,000,000,000 on NOTHING? Had over 2,000 people
killed and 15,000 maimed and that is only OUR side? You need to check
yourself.
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19 Nov 2005 05:25:45 AM |
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"Roy Blankenship" <pointblank@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LMAff.1117$rM2.739@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Seth Mauseth" <sethmauseth@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jFAff.752$xD5.1174265@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Harry,
Where were your guys? Where were the voices of peace and
moderation? Hmm? You can spin ***** better then most but Democrats were
MIA. If you guys wanted an opportunity to speak up..here it was. Like
always the Democrats run and hide. It is proof with the Democrats it is
always about power not about the country.
You must not have heard the C-Span recording of the reaction to Jean
Schmidt's lies.
Any links?
There was PLENTY of dissent. Just because you live with YOUR
ears covered doesn't mean the rest of us aren't ***** about the
Republican debacles going on. Where is YOUR moral compass? This OK with
you
that we have spent over $200,000,000,000 on NOTHING? Had over 2,000 people
killed and 15,000 maimed and that is only OUR side? You need to check
yourself.
I find it hard to comprehend how it is possible you don't consider the
following:
(1) Ousting Saddam caused Libya to shutdown it's nuclear weapons research
facility. You consider that nothing? I figure that alone is worth
$200,000,000,000.00 and the lives of 2,000.
(2) Ousting Saddam put a stop to Saddam's financial backing of Palestinian
terrorists. You consider that nothing?
(3) Ousting Saddam forced thousand's of terrorists to come out of hiding
where we could kill them, away from the US. That doesn't make you feel
safer?
(4) Saddam supported terrorists. We're in a war against terrorists and the
supporters of terrorists, not just the ones behind 9/11. And Saddam
supported Libya's nuclear weapons research facility. Am I to understand you
support Saddam's efforts to support terrorists? Am I to understand you
support the likes of Saddam being able to give nuclear weapons to
terrorists? You're amazing!
But then, I've heard reports Democrats support the terrorists and their
activities. I take it that's your viewpoint as well?
--Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Web: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com
Hidden Politics: revised with new location and new approach.
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19 Nov 2005 06:16:19 AM |
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Self-hatred in the House.
In article <ZYDff.111922$Hs.28991@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com>,
Wayne H. Wilhelm <doremewayne@quadracalc.com> wrote:
"Roy Blankenship" <pointblank@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LMAff.1117$rM2.739@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Seth Mauseth" <sethmauseth@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jFAff.752$xD5.1174265@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Harry,
Where were your guys? Where were the voices of peace and
moderation? Hmm? You can spin ***** better then most but Democrats were
MIA. If you guys wanted an opportunity to speak up..here it was. Like
always the Democrats run and hide. It is proof with the Democrats it is
always about power not about the country.
You must not have heard the C-Span recording of the reaction to Jean
Schmidt's lies.
Any links?
There was PLENTY of dissent. Just because you live with YOUR
ears covered doesn't mean the rest of us aren't ***** about the
Republican debacles going on. Where is YOUR moral compass? This OK with
you
that we have spent over $200,000,000,000 on NOTHING? Had over 2,000 people
killed and 15,000 maimed and that is only OUR side? You need to check
yourself.
I find it hard to comprehend how it is possible you don't consider the
following:
(1) Ousting Saddam caused Libya to shutdown it's nuclear weapons research
facility. You consider that nothing? I figure that alone is worth
$200,000,000,000.00 and the lives of 2,000.
(2) Ousting Saddam put a stop to Saddam's financial backing of Palestinian
terrorists. You consider that nothing?
(3) Ousting Saddam forced thousand's of terrorists to come out of hiding
where we could kill them, away from the US. That doesn't make you feel
safer?
(4) Saddam supported terrorists. We're in a war against terrorists and the
supporters of terrorists, not just the ones behind 9/11. And Saddam
supported Libya's nuclear weapons research facility. Am I to understand you
support Saddam's efforts to support terrorists? Am I to understand you
support the likes of Saddam being able to give nuclear weapons to
terrorists? You're amazing!
But then, I've heard reports Democrats support the terrorists and their
activities. I take it that's your viewpoint as well?
--Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Web: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com
Hidden Politics: revised with new location and new approach.
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19 Nov 2005 08:42:20 AM |
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The words don't mean anything. Where were the votes? Where were the votes
for the pullout you guys have wanted all along. You say all that we have
gone through is for nothing. I disagree. Iraq was long lonhg overdue.
After checking myself, I would suggest that you begin by looking in the
mirror. When the Demcorats had the chance for a withdrawal from Iraq, they
crowed but then showed their true colors by how they voted.
Nice to know I touched a nerve
Pax Americana
"Roy Blankenship" <pointblank@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:LMAff.1117$rM2.739@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
"Seth Mauseth" <sethmauseth@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:jFAff.752$xD5.1174265@twister.southeast.rr.com...
Harry,
Where were your guys? Where were the voices of peace and
moderation? Hmm? You can spin ***** better then most but Democrats were
MIA. If you guys wanted an opportunity to speak up..here it was. Like
always the Democrats run and hide. It is proof with the Democrats it is
always about power not about the country.
You must not have heard the C-Span recording of the reaction to Jean
Schmidt's lies. There was PLENTY of dissent. Just because you live with
YOUR
ears covered doesn't mean the rest of us aren't ***** about the
Republican debacles going on. Where is YOUR moral compass? This OK with
you
that we have spent over $200,000,000,000 on NOTHING? Had over 2,000 people
killed and 15,000 maimed and that is only OUR side? You need to check
yourself.
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19 Nov 2005 06:53:51 AM |
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In our last episode,
<5jktn1tbqn67kkvl21necgfr6lkm47ao72@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Harry Hope
broadcast on alt.politics:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
And the Republican tactic worked, didn't it?
It got that gutless, spineless wonder Pelosi to lead all but
three Democrats into voting to continue the quagmire.
This time you can't blame the liar Bush. He was in Japan.
Now the party has endorsed continuing the quagmire - and no one
can say they were fooled into doing it.
You want to know what "cut and run" is? At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. And then
immediately he and Pelosi and all but three others ran away from
the principle. They scare themselves. What a close call! They
might have done the right thing. And Pelosi couldn't have that,
could she?
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace
that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war.
- Albert Einstein
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19 Nov 2005 11:28:12 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <> wrote in message
news:slrndnu86m.2pr3.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<5jktn1tbqn67kkvl21necgfr6lkm47ao72@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Harry Hope
broadcast on alt.politics:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-
19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
And the Republican tactic worked, didn't it?
It got that gutless, spineless wonder Pelosi to lead all but
three Democrats into voting to continue the quagmire.
This time you can't blame the liar Bush. He was in Japan.
Now the party has endorsed continuing the quagmire - and no one
can say they were fooled into doing it.
You want to know what "cut and run" is? At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. And then
immediately he and Pelosi and all but three others ran away from
the principle. They scare themselves. What a close call! They
might have done the right thing. And Pelosi couldn't have that,
could she?
You just don't know ***** about politics do you? Amazing. How you can be so
illinformed, but think you really know what took place.
--
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/
We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace
that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war.
- Albert Einstein
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19 Nov 2005 08:35:55 AM |
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"Lars Eighner" <> wrote in message
news:slrndnu86m.2pr3.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<5jktn1tbqn67kkvl21necgfr6lkm47ao72@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Harry Hope
broadcast on alt.politics:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
And the Republican tactic worked, didn't it?
It got that gutless, spineless wonder Pelosi to lead all but
three Democrats into voting to continue the quagmire.
This time you can't blame the liar Bush. He was in Japan.
Now the party has endorsed continuing the quagmire - and no one
can say they were fooled into doing it.
You want to know what "cut and run" is? At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. And then
immediately he and Pelosi and all but three others ran away from
the principle. They scare themselves. What a close call! They
might have done the right thing. And Pelosi couldn't have that,
could she?
Remarkable appraisal.
Whaddaya got to say, Harry? More "Hahahaha"?... yeah, I thought so.
**************************
Ultimately, however, the Whigs are best understood as an American major
party trying to be many things to many men, ready to abandon one deeply
held "conviction" for another in the drive for political power.
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_091900_whigparty.htm
Describes both major parties well today.
**************************
--
Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/
We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of
peace
that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war.
- Albert Einstein
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19 Nov 2005 11:47:47 AM |
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"""At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. """"
There never was an intent to cut and run in the resolution.
The repubs retaliated at long last at the Dems calling Bush a liar and
worse, false war mongering evidence etc..
So the repubs called the dems bluff.
and won!
It was fun to watch the debate for awhile.
403 to 3 vote to Stay the Course vindicates Bush's policies.
Thank You Murtha for the chance to clear the record!
"Harvey" <researchermd@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:LcKdnR1M7u3fpeLeRVn-iw@comcast.com...
"Lars Eighner" < > wrote in message
news:slrndnu86m.2pr3.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<5jktn1tbqn67kkvl21necgfr6lkm47ao72@4ax.com>,
the lovely and talented Harry Hope
broadcast on alt.politics:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
And the Republican tactic worked, didn't it?
It got that gutless, spineless wonder Pelosi to lead all but
three Democrats into voting to continue the quagmire.
This time you can't blame the liar Bush. He was in Japan.
Now the party has endorsed continuing the quagmire - and no one
can say they were fooled into doing it.
You want to know what "cut and run" is? At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. And then
immediately he and Pelosi and all but three others ran away from
the principle. They scare themselves. What a close call! They
might have done the right thing. And Pelosi couldn't have that,
could she?
Remarkable appraisal.
Whaddaya got to say, Harry? More "Hahahaha"?... yeah, I thought so.
**************************
Ultimately, however, the Whigs are best understood as an American major
party trying to be many things to many men, ready to abandon one deeply
held "conviction" for another in the drive for political power.
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_091900_whigparty.htm
Describes both major parties well today.
**************************
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
We must be prepared to make heroic sacrifices for the cause of peace
that we make ungrudgingly for the cause of war.
- Albert Einstein
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19 Nov 2005 09:05:25 PM |
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"SHb" <sherb@iNO_SPAMntergate.com> wrote:
"""At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. """"
There never was an intent to cut and run in the resolution.
The repubs retaliated at long last at the Dems calling Bush a liar and
worse, false war mongering evidence etc..
So the repubs called the dems bluff.
<rofl!> You really think that, huh?
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11nvpuoltdjji57@corp.supernews.com...
"SHb" <sherb@iNO_SPAMntergate.com> wrote:
"""At long last someone
stood up to the Bush-Cheney-Rice-Powell lies. """"
There never was an intent to cut and run in the resolution.
The repubs retaliated at long last at the Dems calling Bush a liar and
worse, false war mongering evidence etc..
So the repubs called the dems bluff.
<rofl!> You really think that, huh?
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/
http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"We're going to sue your *****, AND your balls!" -- Scientology's leader
It's far more than just a bluff.
As many of you know, very few Democrats have actually called for a full and
immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq. Instead, what we have is a
handful of Democratic supporters with highly publicized images who express
the extreme views. Then, since these extreme views hurt the Bush
administration in favor of the Demoratic administration, virtually all
Democrats refuse to denounce these extremist views.
This is the same manner in which John Kerry refused to denounce the
extermist views publicized by 527 groups in favor of the Democrats during
the 2004 election. While John Kerry himself could not make such extremist
statements, he was quite thrilled to have the support of virtually all of
the 527's and their extreme pronouncements. As we know, when the Swift boat
veterans spoke out against Kerry, Kerry threw a major temper tantrum. Kerry
demanded Bush denounce them. Bush did denounce the Swift boat veterans
along with denounciing all 527 groups. Yet, when Bush asked Kerry to do
likewise, Kerry refused.
What we've just experienced with the demand for a vote on total and
immediate withdraw from Iraq is that in it's virtually unanimous rejection,
Republicans can know officially publicize rejections of anyone who calls for
a complete and immediate withdrawal from Iraq and do so with the ability to
point to a near unanimous lack of support for such by the Democratic party.
Without the vote, such a declaration would not have been possible. In
essence, this so-called farse by the Republicans has provided a tool by
which Republicans can claim the backing of the entire Demcratic party in
denouncing extremist views regarding Iraq.
Please note, this won't be the last. Now that the Republicans have learned
a new trick to get the extremists under control, look for more instances of
it in the future. Now, if Democrats would denounce extremist views when
they happen instead of ignoring them when those view benefit the Democrats,
Republicans wouldn't have to resort to such extreme measures. What goes
around, comes around.
--Wayne H. Wilhelm
Personal Web: http://www.hiddenpolitics.com
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19 Nov 2005 04:50:53 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:21:22 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
From Reuters, 11/18/05:
http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-19T042814Z_01_MCC915802_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-USA-VOTE.xml
House defeats Iraq pullout in Republican tactic
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
In a maneuver designed to discredit Iraq war critics, the
Republican-led House of Representatives overwhelmingly defeated a
resolution on Friday to pull U.S. troops immediately from Iraq.
Republicans, who introduced the surprise resolution hours before
lawmakers were to start a Thanksgiving holiday recess, said the vote
was intended to show backing for U.S. forces.
Democrats denounced it as a political stunt and an attack on Rep. John
Murtha of Pennsylvania, a leading Democratic military hawk who stunned
his colleagues on Thursday by calling for troops to be withdrawn as
quickly as possible.
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2,085 American troops are dead, 15,704 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war and the Chickenhawk criminals roam free.
Harry
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