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Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands |
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European
powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning
buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every
night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.
Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some
years ahead of my optimistic schedule. As Thursday's edition of
the Guardian reported in London: ''French youths fired at police
and burned over 300 cars last night as towns around Paris
experienced their worst night of violence in a week of urban
unrest.''
''French youths,'' huh? You mean Pierre and Jacques and Marcel
and Alphonse? Granted that most of the "youths" are technically
citizens of the French Republic, it doesn't take much time in
les banlieus of Paris to discover that the rioters do not think
of their primary identity as ''French'': They're young men from
North Africa growing ever more estranged from the broader
community with each passing year and wedded ever more intensely
to an assertive Muslim identity more implacable than anything
you're likely to find in the Middle East. After four somnolent
years, it turns out finally that there really is an explosive
''Arab street,'' but it's in Clichy-sous-Bois.
The notion that Texas neocon arrogance was responsible for
frosting up trans-Atlantic relations was always preposterous,
even for someone as complacent and blinkered as John Kerry. If
you had millions of seething unassimilated Muslim youths in
lawless suburbs ringing every major city, would you be so eager
to send your troops into an Arab country fighting alongside the
Americans? For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on
a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish
schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to
prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah,
general interest. They seem to have lost that battle. Unlike
America's Europhiles, France's Arab street correctly identified
Chirac's opposition to the Iraq war for what it was: a sign of
weakness.
The French have been here before, of course. Seven-thirty-two.
Not 7:32 Paris time, which is when the nightly Citroen-torching
begins, but 732 A.D. -- as in one and a third millennia ago. By
then, the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of
Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks
of the Loire. In October 732, the Moorish general Abd al-Rahman
and his Muslim army were not exactly at the gates of Paris, but
they were within 200 miles, just south of the great Frankish
shrine of St. Martin of Tours. Somewhere on the road between
Poitiers and Tours, they met a Frankish force and, unlike other
Christian armies in Europe, this one held its ground ''like a
wall . . . a firm glacial mass,'' as the Chronicle of Isidore
puts it. A week later, Abd al-Rahman was dead, the Muslims were
heading south, and the French general, Charles, had earned
himself the surname ''Martel'' -- or ''the Hammer.''
Poitiers was the high-water point of the Muslim tide in western
Europe. It was an opportunistic raid by the Moors, but if they'd
won, they'd have found it hard to resist pushing on to Paris, to
the Rhine and beyond. ''Perhaps,'' wrote Edward Gibbon in The
Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire, ''the interpretation of
the Koran would now be taught in the schools of Oxford, and her
pulpits might demonstrate to a circumcised people the sanctity
and truth of the revelation of Mahomet.'' There would be no
Christian Europe. The Anglo-Celts who settled North America
would have been Muslim. Poitiers, said Gibbon, was ''an
encounter which would change the history of the whole world.''
Battles are very straightforward: Side A wins, Side B loses. But
the French government is way beyond anything so clarifying.
Today, a fearless Muslim advance has penetrated far deeper into
Europe than Abd al-Rahman. They're in Brussels, where Belgian
police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in
public during Ramadan, and in Malmo, where Swedish ambulance
drivers will not go without police escort. It's way too late to
rerun the Battle of Poitiers. In the no- go suburbs, even before
these current riots, 9,000 police cars had been stoned by
''French youths'' since the beginning of the year; some three
dozen cars are set alight even on a quiet night. ''There's a
civil war under way in Clichy-sous-Bois at the moment,'' said
Michel Thooris of the gendarmes' trade union Action Police CFTC.
''We can no longer withstand this situation on our own. My
colleagues neither have the equipment nor the practical or
theoretical training for street fighting.''
What to do? In Paris, while ''youths'' fired on the gendarmerie,
burned down a gym and disrupted commuter trains, the French
Cabinet split in two, as the ''minister for social cohesion'' (a
Cabinet position I hope America never requires) and other
colleagues distance themselves from the interior minister, the
tough-talking Nicolas Sarkozy who dismissed the rioters as
''scum.'' President Chirac seems to have come down on the side
of those who feel the scum's grievances need to be addressed. He
called for ''a spirit of dialogue and respect.'' As is the way
with the political class, they seem to see the riots as an
excellent opportunity to scuttle Sarkozy's presidential
ambitions rather than as a call to save the Republic.
A few years back I was criticized for a throwaway observation to
the effect that ''I find it easier to be optimistic about the
futures of Iraq and Pakistan than, say, Holland or Denmark." But
this is why. In defiance of traditional immigration patterns,
these young men are less assimilated than their grandparents.
French cynics like the prime minister, Dominique de Villepin,
have spent the last two years scoffing at the Bush Doctrine:
Why, everyone knows Islam and democracy are incompatible. If so,
that's less a problem for Iraq or Afghanistan than for France
and Belgium.
If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing
a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago:
They're seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing
his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect''
from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again. In the current
issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on
British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new
Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility
has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.''
Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages.
--
Ms Liberty
United States of America
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who could
be used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're all out in
force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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08 Nov 2005 07:27:52 PM |
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"I Ms. Liberty" wrote:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing
a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago:
They're seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing
his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect''
from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again. In the current
issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on
British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new
Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility
has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.''
Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages.
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
There are a lot of people on the usenet who scoffed at
my predictions - I said 5 to 10 years - 5 years ago.
Gentlemen and fools careful of the feathers when you
eat that crow - oh sorry, crows are now a protected
species <GG>
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
The final count of burned cars for Monday night is
1,173 in 230 towns and smaller locations.
Four policemen were injured. Altogether 1,220 arrests
were made since the troubles began.
More than 5,000 cars were torched.
French prime minister Dominique de Villepin saw no need
for army intervention, adding 1,300 police and
gendarmes to reinforce the exhausted personnel of
8,000.
The mayor of Raincy east of Paris did not wait for the
prime minister's permission. He imposed a night curfew
on minors after the government failed to crack down on
marauding gangs.
The unrest claimed its first fatality, a 61-man beaten
by a youth in the Paris suburb of Stains.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
UK, Russia and Australia joined the US in warning
citizens to avoid spreading riot centers.
Copyright 2000-2005 DEBKAfile.
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| User: "I Ms. Liberty" |
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08 Nov 2005 10:50:47 PM |
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LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability to
cause mayhem, so far at least.
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double top
secret curfew!"
The final count of burned cars for Monday night is
1,173 in 230 towns and smaller locations.
Jeez.
Four policemen were injured. Altogether 1,220 arrests
were made since the troubles began.
More than 5,000 cars were torched.
Jeez.
French prime minister Dominique de Villepin saw no need
for army intervention, adding 1,300 police and
gendarmes to reinforce the exhausted personnel of
8,000.
Unarmed, no doubt?
The mayor of Raincy east of Paris did not wait for the
prime minister's permission. He imposed a night curfew
on minors after the government failed to crack down on
marauding gangs.
The unrest claimed its first fatality, a 61-man beaten
by a youth in the Paris suburb of Stains.
Blood stains in Stains.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
--
Ms Liberty
United States of America
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who could be
used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're all out in
force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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09 Nov 2005 12:22:53 AM |
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"I Ms. Liberty" <I-Ms-Liberty@freedom.yxz> wrote in message
news:Ke6dnUv4O9C6HezenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@forethought.net...
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability to
cause mayhem, so far at least.
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double top
secret curfew!"
The final count of burned cars for Monday night is
1,173 in 230 towns and smaller locations.
Jeez.
Four policemen were injured. Altogether 1,220 arrests
were made since the troubles began.
More than 5,000 cars were torched.
Jeez.
French prime minister Dominique de Villepin saw no need
for army intervention, adding 1,300 police and
gendarmes to reinforce the exhausted personnel of
8,000.
Unarmed, no doubt?
The mayor of Raincy east of Paris did not wait for the
prime minister's permission. He imposed a night curfew
on minors after the government failed to crack down on
marauding gangs.
The unrest claimed its first fatality, a 61-man beaten
by a youth in the Paris suburb of Stains.
Blood stains in Stains.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
If they started machine gunning the damn moo slimes in the street the
problem would be over in hours.
Another week of this and that chirac twit will have a nervous breakdown
trying to figure out who to surrender to.
Jim E
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09 Nov 2005 01:15:22 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"I Ms. Liberty" <I-Ms-Liberty@freedom.yxz> wrote in message
news:Ke6dnUv4O9C6HezenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@forethought.net...
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability to
cause mayhem, so far at least.
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double top
secret curfew!"
The final count of burned cars for Monday night is
1,173 in 230 towns and smaller locations.
Jeez.
Four policemen were injured. Altogether 1,220 arrests
were made since the troubles began.
More than 5,000 cars were torched.
Jeez.
French prime minister Dominique de Villepin saw no need
for army intervention, adding 1,300 police and
gendarmes to reinforce the exhausted personnel of
8,000.
Unarmed, no doubt?
The mayor of Raincy east of Paris did not wait for the
prime minister's permission. He imposed a night curfew
on minors after the government failed to crack down on
marauding gangs.
The unrest claimed its first fatality, a 61-man beaten
by a youth in the Paris suburb of Stains.
Blood stains in Stains.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
If they started machine gunning the damn moo slimes in the street the
problem would be over in hours.
Another week of this and that chirac twit will have a nervous breakdown
trying to figure out who to surrender to.
He has already surrendered by not sending out the troops.
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09 Nov 2005 12:12:09 AM |
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"I Ms. Liberty" wrote:
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability to
cause mayhem, so far at least.
Russia has been supplying them with the most
sophisticated rocketry in existence for one.
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double top
secret curfew!"
Without military support, the curfew has no teeth. The
police are exhausted.
The final count of burned cars for Monday night is
1,173 in 230 towns and smaller locations.
Jeez.
Four policemen were injured. Altogether 1,220 arrests
were made since the troubles began.
More than 5,000 cars were torched.
Jeez.
French prime minister Dominique de Villepin saw no need
for army intervention, adding 1,300 police and
gendarmes to reinforce the exhausted personnel of
8,000.
Unarmed, no doubt?
The mayor of Raincy east of Paris did not wait for the
prime minister's permission. He imposed a night curfew
on minors after the government failed to crack down on
marauding gangs.
The unrest claimed its first fatality, a 61-man beaten
by a youth in the Paris suburb of Stains.
Blood stains in Stains.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
They were fortunate in that the shotguns were loaded
with birdshot
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who could be
used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're all out in
force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
Too true- except that they are not "useful" - more
likely "obstructive"
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| User: "I Ms. Liberty" |
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09 Nov 2005 01:30:32 PM |
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LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
"I Ms. Liberty" wrote:
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability
to cause mayhem, so far at least.
Russia has been supplying them with the most
sophisticated rocketry in existence for one.
Who? The muslim rabble in France???
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double
top secret curfew!"
Without military support, the curfew has no teeth. The
police are exhausted.
Exactly.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
They were fortunate in that the shotguns were loaded
with birdshot
And helpless to fight back?
If someone shot at police here in the U.S., the shooters would
die.
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who
could be used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're
all out in force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
Too true- except that they are not "useful" - more
likely "obstructive"
They're useful to the socialists, that was his point.
--
Ms Liberty
United States of America
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who could be
used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're all out in
force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
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| User: "LeMod Pol" |
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09 Nov 2005 02:20:17 PM |
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"I Ms. Liberty" wrote:
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
"I Ms. Liberty" wrote:
LeMod Pol <mod_pol@regers.com> wrote :
For 5 years I have been talking about the Muslin
"return to Vienna" their talking point goal. Well now
they are there - still only at the siege stage but they
are better prepared than the ottomans were in 1683
Oh come on now, they have no real weapons, just the ability
to cause mayhem, so far at least.
Russia has been supplying them with the most
sophisticated rocketry in existence for one.
Who? The muslim rabble in France???
The mujahedeen all over via Syria, Iran Egypt and the Balkans
The French government Tuesday approved powers for
mayors and prefects to impose curfews.
November 7, 2005, 1:25 AM (GMT+02:00)
But the curfew threat failed to deter French rioters
across the country on 12th night of unrest - excepting
in Paris.
"And if you don't obey the curfew, we will impose a double
top secret curfew!"
Without military support, the curfew has no teeth. The
police are exhausted.
Exactly.
Almost every town in France is gripped with peaking
violence against cars, schools, buses, churches,
paramedics, ambulances and police amid rising calls to
bring in the army.
Sunday night in Grigny south of Paris, 36 police were
injured by the first gunshots fired in the 11-day
riots.
They should run away.
They were fortunate in that the shotguns were loaded
with birdshot
And helpless to fight back?
If someone shot at police here in the U.S., the shooters would
die.
Lenin coined the term "useful idiots" for the morons who
could be used to wage a campaign for socialism, and they're
all out in force, in the form of liberals on usenet.
Too true- except that they are not "useful" - more
likely "obstructive"
They're useful to the socialists, that was his point.
I guess
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08 Nov 2005 03:42:43 PM |
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I Ms. Liberty wrote:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European
powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning
buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every
night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.
rofl 'Bout the fifth repost of this crap, innit?
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08 Nov 2005 07:30:11 PM |
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Server 13 wrote:
I Ms. Liberty wrote:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn06.html
Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
November 6, 2005
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European
powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning
buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every
night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.
rofl 'Bout the fifth repost of this crap, innit?
About time yo u paid heed
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