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"grinder" |
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11 May 2007 10:48:02 AM |
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Want to be insulted? Listen to junior. |
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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11 May 2007 12:02:20 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you
have to concentrate on."
--George W. Bush Gridiron Club dinner, Washington, D.C., 03-24-2001
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| User: "TwoBrains Condi" |
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11 May 2007 12:17:52 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
George W Bush does not equal America anymore than I equal America. America
is made up of 300 million people. They are not all brown shirt nazi neocons.
Only 28% or less of them are.
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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17 Jul 2007 12:57:38 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
No, the word used was "imminent" threat, not "immediate" threat. What do
you think the definition of either means?
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
I would say that no one can answer that question with absolute certainty.
3. Iraq had WMDs
The did have WMDs.
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
Yep, and most Iraqis did greet us as liberators. and a few Iraqis did not.
Besides, what is the purpose of waging war with another country, to make
friends or to accomplish the goal?
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
It is obviously being used for some purpose. Do you know where the money is
going from the sale of oil?
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
That was a success, having them form a democratic government is not a
failure.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
Yes, jus tlike it was a success when the United States finally got a
Consititution that was approved by all states....how long did that take?
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
No one can say with absolute certainty how much a war will cost. Besides,
the war was over a long time ago. The problem is that we have not done a
very good job during the occupation phase....
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
Insurgencies survive as long as there are people willing to fight you....
10. Mission Accomplished.
The mission was accomplished, it depends on the defintion of what the
mission was.
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| User: "Neolibertarian" |
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11 May 2007 02:00:06 PM |
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In article <Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAD4Kp5J53A
--
NeoLibertarian
"The nine most terrifying words in the
English language are, 'I'm from the government
and I'm here to help.'"
---Ronald Reagan
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| User: "Tag Heuer" |
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11 May 2007 02:23:46 PM |
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:00:06 -0500, Neolibertarian
<cognac756@gmail.com> wrote:
In article <Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAD4Kp5J53A
If you listen closely to the riff it comes off sounding like "Nyah,
nyah, Nyah, nyah" . . . Actually sampling, or downright ripping off
Billy Joel's bubble-gum ditty "We Didn’t Start The Fire" adds a nice
touch to it and especially in this context:
LOL - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZFYWfPoDXo
" . . .So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that
much time on him . . .And, again, I don't know where he is. I --
I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I
know he is on the run . . . --- George W. Bush, Washington, DC, March
13, 2003
"What did Iraq have to do with what? . . . [Question: The attack on
the World Trade Center] . . . Nothing." --- George W. Bush, in
finally getting it right, Washington, DC, August 21, 2006
" . . .One of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the
war on terror." --- George W. Bush, CBS Evening News, September 6,
2006
http://tagheuerblog.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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17 Jul 2007 11:21:39 AM |
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Is success important or not important, and why?
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
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| User: "J Carroll" |
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17 Jul 2007 02:56:00 PM |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate offices of
San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison more than two
years ago.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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17 Jul 2007 01:00:55 PM |
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"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:k99ni.9310$eY.7217@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate offices of
San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison more than two
years ago.
Acting like a politician, never answer a question that you do not want to
answer.....
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| User: "J Carroll" |
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17 Jul 2007 05:30:22 PM |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:k99ni.9310$eY.7217@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate
offices of San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison
more than two years ago.
Acting like a politician, never answer a question that you do not
want to answer.....
The answer is that our military forces in Iraq won't and can't have the
slightest positive influence in the matter.
In order to achieve the aim you are expressing interest in the resources we
have currently deployed will be totally ineffective. 4 years and counting
says I'm correct if you consider the result.
"Winning" this battle will mean that we have removed the reason for these
groups to want to attack us.
They want to attack us because we continue to prevent them from, for
example, wiping out the Saudi Royal family. That is what they really want to
do you know.
The analogy between Viet Nam and our current bungle in the ME is perfect. We
beat the living ***** out of the North for YEARS but we never were able to
eradicate the desire of they had to unify North and South Viet Nam under
their rule.
We can beat the living ***** out of the rag heads in the ME for as long as we
like and they will still continue to hate us - and for exactly the same
reason.
"Winning" this war will require not that we beat Al Qaeda into submission.
What is necessary is to make the current crop of rulers irrelevant to our
national interests.
Our military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq right now serve exactly one
purpose - keeping those in power there around so they can provide a stable
and on going source of petroleum.
Energy independance will free us from this nonsense and put the burden of
staying alive where it belongs, with the rulers of the ME nations that we
think we are protecting.
This is it http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2005/11/69528 and
were we to invest the 2 billion dollars per month we are litterally pissing
into the sand right now in a national effort we'd be home free at some point
in the not to distant future.
You Neocon morons are one stupid bunch of motherfuckers Jerry. Really
stupid. Rock God damned hard stupid.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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17 Jul 2007 03:43:12 PM |
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"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:2qbni.38616$YL5.21200@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:k99ni.9310$eY.7217@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate
offices of San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California Edison
more than two years ago.
Acting like a politician, never answer a question that you do not
want to answer.....
The answer is that our military forces in Iraq won't and can't have the
slightest positive influence in the matter.
In order to achieve the aim you are expressing interest in the resources
we
have currently deployed will be totally ineffective. 4 years and counting
says I'm correct if you consider the result.
"Winning" this battle will mean that we have removed the reason for these
groups to want to attack us.
They want to attack us because we continue to prevent them from, for
example, wiping out the Saudi Royal family. That is what they really want
to
do you know.
The analogy between Viet Nam and our current bungle in the ME is perfect.
We
beat the living ***** out of the North for YEARS but we never were able to
eradicate the desire of they had to unify North and South Viet Nam under
their rule.
We can beat the living ***** out of the rag heads in the ME for as long as
we
like and they will still continue to hate us - and for exactly the same
reason.
"Winning" this war will require not that we beat Al Qaeda into submission.
What is necessary is to make the current crop of rulers irrelevant to our
national interests.
Our military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq right now serve exactly one
purpose - keeping those in power there around so they can provide a stable
and on going source of petroleum.
Energy independance will free us from this nonsense and put the burden of
staying alive where it belongs, with the rulers of the ME nations that we
think we are protecting.
This is it http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2005/11/69528
and
were we to invest the 2 billion dollars per month we are litterally
pissing
into the sand right now in a national effort we'd be home free at some
point
in the not to distant future.
You Neocon morons are one stupid bunch of motherfuckers Jerry. Really
stupid. Rock God damned hard stupid.
Spent an awful lot of your time and brainpower providing a long diatribe,
while not asnwering the question asked.
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| User: "J Carroll" |
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17 Jul 2007 07:22:49 PM |
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Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:2qbni.38616$YL5.21200@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:k99ni.9310$eY.7217@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be
fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate
offices of San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California
Edison more than two years ago.
Acting like a politician, never answer a question that you do not
want to answer.....
The answer is that our military forces in Iraq won't and can't have
the slightest positive influence in the matter.
In order to achieve the aim you are expressing interest in the
resources we
have currently deployed will be totally ineffective. 4 years and
counting says I'm correct if you consider the result.
"Winning" this battle will mean that we have removed the reason for
these groups to want to attack us.
They want to attack us because we continue to prevent them from, for
example, wiping out the Saudi Royal family. That is what they really
want to
do you know.
The analogy between Viet Nam and our current bungle in the ME is
perfect. We
beat the living ***** out of the North for YEARS but we never were
able to eradicate the desire of they had to unify North and South
Viet Nam under their rule.
We can beat the living ***** out of the rag heads in the ME for as
long as we
like and they will still continue to hate us - and for exactly the
same reason.
"Winning" this war will require not that we beat Al Qaeda into
submission. What is necessary is to make the current crop of rulers
irrelevant to our national interests.
Our military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq right now serve exactly
one purpose - keeping those in power there around so they can
provide a stable and on going source of petroleum.
Energy independance will free us from this nonsense and put the
burden of staying alive where it belongs, with the rulers of the ME
nations that we think we are protecting.
This is it
http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2005/11/69528 and
were we to invest the 2 billion dollars per month we are litterally
pissing
into the sand right now in a national effort we'd be home free at
some point
in the not to distant future.
You Neocon morons are one stupid bunch of motherfuckers Jerry. Really
stupid. Rock God damned hard stupid.
Spent an awful lot of your time and brainpower providing a long
diatribe, while not asnwering the question asked.
I answered your question properly.
You don't like the answer. Tough titties.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
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| User: "J Carroll" |
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17 Jul 2007 07:26:53 PM |
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J Carroll wrote:
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:2qbni.38616$YL5.21200@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"J Carroll" <jcarroll@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:k99ni.9310$eY.7217@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...
Jerry Okamura wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be
fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
Is success important or not important, and why?
Jerry,
The war against Middle East terrorists was won in the corporate
offices of San Diego Gas and Electric and Southern California
Edison more than two years ago.
Acting like a politician, never answer a question that you do not
want to answer.....
The answer is that our military forces in Iraq won't and can't have
the slightest positive influence in the matter.
In order to achieve the aim you are expressing interest in the
resources we
have currently deployed will be totally ineffective. 4 years and
counting says I'm correct if you consider the result.
"Winning" this battle will mean that we have removed the reason for
these groups to want to attack us.
They want to attack us because we continue to prevent them from, for
example, wiping out the Saudi Royal family. That is what they really
want to
do you know.
The analogy between Viet Nam and our current bungle in the ME is
perfect. We
beat the living ***** out of the North for YEARS but we never were
able to eradicate the desire of they had to unify North and South
Viet Nam under their rule.
We can beat the living ***** out of the rag heads in the ME for as
long as we
like and they will still continue to hate us - and for exactly the
same reason.
"Winning" this war will require not that we beat Al Qaeda into
submission. What is necessary is to make the current crop of rulers
irrelevant to our national interests.
Our military and diplomatic efforts in Iraq right now serve exactly
one purpose - keeping those in power there around so they can
provide a stable and on going source of petroleum.
Energy independance will free us from this nonsense and put the
burden of staying alive where it belongs, with the rulers of the ME
nations that we think we are protecting.
This is it
http://www.wired.com/science/planetearth/news/2005/11/69528 and
were we to invest the 2 billion dollars per month we are litterally
pissing
into the sand right now in a national effort we'd be home free at
some point
in the not to distant future.
You Neocon morons are one stupid bunch of motherfuckers Jerry.
Really stupid. Rock God damned hard stupid.
Spent an awful lot of your time and brainpower providing a long
diatribe, while not asnwering the question asked.
I answered your question properly.
You don't like the answer. Tough titties.
AND, I forgot this you ignorant putz:
You Neocon morons are one stupid bunch of motherfuckers Jerry. Really
stupid. Rock God damned hard stupid.
There, that's better.
--
John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
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| User: "grinder" |
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17 Jul 2007 02:35:36 PM |
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What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is success important or not important, and why?
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:Se01i.14102$3P3.7601@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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17 Jul 2007 01:00:06 PM |
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will take,
if success is important than the number of years it takes to achieve success
is not the important issue. "If" success is not important, than any amount
of time pursuiing a policy that is not important is too much time and
certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Is success important or not important, and why?
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will take,
if success is important than the number of years it takes to achieve
success is not the important issue. "If" success is not important, than
any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not important is too much
time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or determine
how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you and junior
think alike.
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18 Jul 2007 01:52:58 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or determine
how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you and junior
think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest. My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from the
outside. My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country. My definition of success, is to preserve the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United States
and the world needs if their economies are to thrive. And it would be nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or something
like what we have in Iran.
Is that clear enough for you?
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18 Jul 2007 02:11:14 PM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or determine
how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you and junior
think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest.
Success achieved even though it was not given as a reason to go to war.
My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from the
outside.
"Much help?" Sounds ambigous and it was not given as a reason to go to
war..
My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country.
According to the latest NIE, we have created just such a base in Iraq.
My definition of success, is to preserve the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United States
and the world needs if their economies are to thrive.
It was not given as a reason to go to war and it seems to me it's Europe's
problem more than ours since it gets more of it's oil from the Middle East.
And it would be nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or something
like what we have in Iran.
Nice but unlikely. Three different religious sects which have been warring
for centuries are now going to make nice? And that assumes Turkey will not
go after the Kurds which is again unlikely.
Is that clear enough for you?
Almost. You didn't say how long you were willing to keep our military there
to achieve success.
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18 Jul 2007 03:19:53 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or
determine how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you
and junior think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest.
Success achieved even though it was not given as a reason to go to war.
You go to war for one reason, and once you go to war, you either succeed or
you do not succeed.
My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from the
outside.
"Much help?" Sounds ambigous and it was not given as a reason to go to
war..
Again, you are mixing up two different parts of the argument. And yes, I
cannot give you an absolute answer to how much help they do need, or how
much help they do not need.
My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country.
According to the latest NIE, we have created just such a base in Iraq.
And, what is going to happen if we leave?
My definition of success, is to preserve the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United
States and the world needs if their economies are to thrive.
It was not given as a reason to go to war and it seems to me it's Europe's
problem more than ours since it gets more of it's oil from the Middle
East.
It does not matter what the reason we gave to go to war. It is now a reason
why success is important.
And it would be nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or something
like what we have in Iran.
Nice but unlikely. Three different religious sects which have been
warring for centuries are now going to make nice? And that assumes Turkey
will not go after the Kurds which is again unlikely.
Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible. Impossible if you leave a the
fledging demcracy fails because you left. And yes, they have some serious
internal issues to deal with, just like the United States had a serious
problem between the North and the South, which resulted in a real civil war.
Is that clear enough for you?
Almost. You didn't say how long you were willing to keep our military
there to achieve success.
If success is important, as long as it takes. If success is not important,
then my position is, we should leave IMMEDIATELY....NOT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW,
NOT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT IMMEDIATELY..... And NO ONE is suggesting we
do that....
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18 Jul 2007 03:41:47 PM |
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please
be specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or
determine how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you
and junior think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest.
Success achieved even though it was not given as a reason to go to war.
You go to war for one reason, and once you go to war, you either succeed
or you do not succeed.
My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from
the outside.
"Much help?" Sounds ambigous and it was not given as a reason to go to
war..
Again, you are mixing up two different parts of the argument. And yes, I
cannot give you an absolute answer to how much help they do need, or how
much help they do not need.
My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country.
According to the latest NIE, we have created just such a base in Iraq.
And, what is going to happen if we leave?
My definition of success, is to preserve the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United
States and the world needs if their economies are to thrive.
It was not given as a reason to go to war and it seems to me it's
Europe's problem more than ours since it gets more of it's oil from the
Middle East.
It does not matter what the reason we gave to go to war. It is now a
reason why success is important.
And it would be nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or
something like what we have in Iran.
Nice but unlikely. Three different religious sects which have been
warring for centuries are now going to make nice? And that assumes
Turkey will not go after the Kurds which is again unlikely.
Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible. Impossible if you leave a the
fledging demcracy fails because you left. And yes, they have some serious
internal issues to deal with, just like the United States had a serious
problem between the North and the South, which resulted in a real civil
war.
Is that clear enough for you?
Almost. You didn't say how long you were willing to keep our military
there to achieve success.
If success is important, as long as it takes. If success is not
important, then my position is, we should leave IMMEDIATELY....NOT SIX
MONTHS FROM NOW, NOT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT IMMEDIATELY..... And NO
ONE is suggesting we do that....
Actually there are Senators which are saying we should do that. And I don't
believe success as you have defined it is worth three trillion dollars when
that money can be better spent here, damaging the economy and causing our
military to disintegrate. But that is just my opinion.
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18 Jul 2007 05:02:11 PM |
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please
be specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or
determine how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you
and junior think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest.
Success achieved even though it was not given as a reason to go to war.
You go to war for one reason, and once you go to war, you either succeed
or you do not succeed.
My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from
the outside.
"Much help?" Sounds ambigous and it was not given as a reason to go to
war..
Again, you are mixing up two different parts of the argument. And yes, I
cannot give you an absolute answer to how much help they do need, or how
much help they do not need.
My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and
organize attacks against this country.
According to the latest NIE, we have created just such a base in Iraq.
And, what is going to happen if we leave?
My definition of success, is to preserve the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United
States and the world needs if their economies are to thrive.
It was not given as a reason to go to war and it seems to me it's
Europe's problem more than ours since it gets more of it's oil from the
Middle East.
It does not matter what the reason we gave to go to war. It is now a
reason why success is important.
And it would be nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or
something like what we have in Iran.
Nice but unlikely. Three different religious sects which have been
warring for centuries are now going to make nice? And that assumes
Turkey will not go after the Kurds which is again unlikely.
Unlikely perhaps, but not impossible. Impossible if you leave a the
fledging demcracy fails because you left. And yes, they have some
serious internal issues to deal with, just like the United States had a
serious problem between the North and the South, which resulted in a real
civil war.
Is that clear enough for you?
Almost. You didn't say how long you were willing to keep our military
there to achieve success.
If success is important, as long as it takes. If success is not
important, then my position is, we should leave IMMEDIATELY....NOT SIX
MONTHS FROM NOW, NOT THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, BUT IMMEDIATELY..... And NO
ONE is suggesting we do that....
Actually there are Senators which are saying we should do that. And I
don't believe success as you have defined it is worth three trillion
dollars when that money can be better spent here, damaging the economy and
causing our military to disintegrate. But that is just my opinion.
Tell me who these Senators are? I am not aware of any one of them saying
that.
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18 Jul 2007 07:31:32 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:02:11 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Actually there are Senators which are saying we should do that. And I
don't believe success as you have defined it is worth three trillion
dollars when that money can be better spent here, damaging the economy and
causing our military to disintegrate. But that is just my opinion.
Tell me who these Senators are? I am not aware of any one of them saying
that.
Jerry, you are a very reasoned poster, always giving opinions and
discussions worthy of note. In this case, however, with Grinder, you
would have a better chance for a meaningful exchange with a child.
Don't ask Grinder to cite his sources. Just pat him on his cyber
behind and send him along his way.
DCI
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19 Jul 2007 01:08:35 PM |
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<never@million> wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:02:11 -0700, "Jerry Okamura"
<okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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Actually there are Senators which are saying we should do that. And I
don't believe success as you have defined it is worth three trillion
dollars when that money can be better spent here, damaging the economy
and
causing our military to disintegrate. But that is just my opinion.
Tell me who these Senators are? I am not aware of any one of them saying
that.
Jerry, you are a very reasoned poster, always giving opinions and
discussions worthy of note. In this case, however, with Grinder, you
would have a better chance for a meaningful exchange with a child.
Don't ask Grinder to cite his sources. Just pat him on his cyber
behind and send him along his way.
DCI
Leave it to you to suggest patting someone's behind.
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| User: "robw" |
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18 Jul 2007 05:39:19 PM |
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Yes, it's very clear.
Do you also want a pony?
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or
determine
how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you and junior
think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest. My definition of success is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from the
outside. My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country. My definition of success, is to preserve
the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United States
and the world needs if their economies are to thrive. And it would be
nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or something
like what we have in Iran.
Is that clear enough for you?
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19 Jul 2007 02:09:08 PM |
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Your point?
"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yes, it's very clear.
Do you also want a pony?
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
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"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
news:469d2dda$0$31280$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Use your own definition of success... As for how many years it will
take, if success is important than the number of years it takes to
achieve success is not the important issue. "If" success is not
important, than any amount of time pursuiing a policy that is not
important is too much time and certainly too much money.
"grinder" <seagle@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
news:cS8ni.9200$zA4.630@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
What is success and how many years will it take to achieve? Please
be
specific.
From your reponse I will assume you could not define success or
determine
how may years it will take to achieve. In other words, you and junior
think alike.
My definition of success is an Iraq government who is friendly to our
interest, and not unfriendly to our interest. My definition of success
is
an Iraqi government that can defend themselves without much help from the
outside. My definition of success is to prevent those who are plotting
to
kill us from having a base of operations from which to plan and organize
attacks against this country. My definition of success, is to preserve
the
worlds, and our access to oil, which is a commodity that the United
States
and the world needs if their economies are to thrive. And it would be
nice,
if we Iraq was a democratic nation vs. another dictatorship, or something
like what we have in Iran.
Is that clear enough for you?
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11 May 2007 01:48:47 PM |
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On May 11, 8:48 am, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
1. Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, but certainly the possibality was
there.
2. No, I don't think they were directly involved in the 9/11 but point
of fact, if they had known about it in advance you can sure bet they
wouldn't have told us about it.
3. How many times to we have to go over this. What did Saddam gas the
Kurds with? channel #5?
4. There were those that greeted the US as liberators and quite often
they were killed. Fact!
5. Iraq's oil could help fund reconstruction if the dumb fools would
quit blowing up the oil line.
6. An elected government is a start, it is unfortunate Iraq's are
incapable of self rule
7. The Al Quid and others are working very hard to make the
constitution unworkable
8, And you came up with that number where?
9. The insurgency has had to resort to blowing up the populace in
general with stupid radicals that think they are going to someplace
with 30 virrgins after they blow themselves and 20 of their fellow
citizens to smitherines.
10. The mission will be accomplished when Iraq is turned to glass and
glows in the dark.
Yes grinder, you are a fool, 10 times over!
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11 May 2007 02:40:21 PM |
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On May 11, 2:48 pm, ekrubmeg <ekrub...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 11, 8:48 am, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
1. Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, but certainly the possibality was
there.
I see...
So Iraq was a "potential" immediate threat.
Isn't that the same as saying they weren't an immediate threat?
If that's the case, why did the Bush administration say they were?
2. No, I don't think they were directly involved in the 9/11 but point
of fact, if they had known about it in advance you can sure bet they
wouldn't have told us about it.
Perhaps.
But the point is that there isn't any evidence Iraq did know about it,
the Bush administrations attempts to cloud the issue not withstanding.
3. How many times to we have to go over this. What did Saddam gas the
Kurds with? channel #5?
Those weapons were, for the most part, known to have been destroyed.
That which was unaccounted for was also believed to have been
destroyed by the real experts on Iraqi WMD, the weapons inspectors.
It was only the Bush administration that suggested that Iraq still
maintained large stockpiles of WMD, even though they had no certain
intelligence suggesting that was the case.
4. There were those that greeted the US as liberators and quite often
they were killed. Fact!
There were French people who welcomed the Nazi's.
The thing is, they were so few in number that they didn't matter and
were easily swept away.
Same with Iraq.
In fact, Wolfowitz gave a speech to the VFW in which he suggested that
invasion of Iraq would be like the liberation of France.
Do you think that is a sign of wisdom or incredible stupidity?
5. Iraq's oil could help fund reconstruction if the dumb fools would
quit blowing up the oil line.
Why would anyone have thought that they WOULDN"T blow up the
pipelines?
6. An elected government is a start, it is unfortunate Iraq's are
incapable of self rule
Then why did the idiots in the Bush administration suppose that we
could provide it to them?
7. The Al Quid and others are working very hard to make the
constitution unworkable
Why would anyone have been stupid enough to presume that wouldn't be
the case?
8, And you came up with that number where?
Wolfowitz suggested that the war would pay for itself.
Andrew Natsios suggested that it would cost around 1.7 billion.
Mitch Danials suggested it would cost between 50 and 60 billion.
The guy who was closest was Lawrence Lindsey, who suggested that it
would cost between 100 and 200 billion.
Of course, Bush administration fired him as his prediction didn't
follow the party line.
9. The insurgency has had to resort to blowing up the populace in
general with stupid radicals that think they are going to someplace
with 30 virrgins after they blow themselves and 20 of their fellow
citizens to smitherines.
That's how insurgencies are fought.
Only and idiot would suppose that it would be otherwise.
10. The mission will be accomplished when Iraq is turned to glass and
glows in the dark.
Yea...
Conquers always start their wars claiming that they're liberating some
one.
Then the other shoe drops...
Yes grinder, you are a fool, 10 times over!- Hide quoted text -
As opposed to being a rightard, like you?
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11 May 2007 02:58:56 PM |
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ekrubmeg wrote:
On May 11, 8:48 am, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
1. Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, but certainly the possibality was
there.
2. No, I don't think they were directly involved in the 9/11 but point
of fact, if they had known about it in advance you can sure bet they
wouldn't have told us about it.
3. How many times to we have to go over this. What did Saddam gas the
Kurds with? channel #5?
4. There were those that greeted the US as liberators and quite often
they were killed. Fact!
5. Iraq's oil could help fund reconstruction if the dumb fools would
quit blowing up the oil line.
6. An elected government is a start, it is unfortunate Iraq's are
incapable of self rule
7. The Al Quid and others are working very hard to make the
constitution unworkable
8, And you came up with that number where?
9. The insurgency has had to resort to blowing up the populace in
general with stupid radicals that think they are going to someplace
with 30 virrgins after they blow themselves and 20 of their fellow
citizens to smitherines.
10. The mission will be accomplished when Iraq is turned to glass and
glows in the dark.
Yes grinder, you are a fool, 10 times over!
Dream on.
You accept the lies that bush,jr told or rationalize them away.
America was duped.
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11 May 2007 04:42:30 PM |
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In article <4X31i.443$nh.193@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, "Sid9"
<sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
ekrubmeg wrote:
On May 11, 8:48 am, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled
again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
1. Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, but certainly the possibality was
there.
2. No, I don't think they were directly involved in the 9/11 but point
of fact, if they had known about it in advance you can sure bet they
wouldn't have told us about it.
3. How many times to we have to go over this. What did Saddam gas the
Kurds with? channel #5?
4. There were those that greeted the US as liberators and quite often
they were killed. Fact!
5. Iraq's oil could help fund reconstruction if the dumb fools would
quit blowing up the oil line.
6. An elected government is a start, it is unfortunate Iraq's are
incapable of self rule
7. The Al Quid and others are working very hard to make the
constitution unworkable
8, And you came up with that number where?
9. The insurgency has had to resort to blowing up the populace in
general with stupid radicals that think they are going to someplace
with 30 virrgins after they blow themselves and 20 of their fellow
citizens to smitherines.
10. The mission will be accomplished when Iraq is turned to glass and
glows in the dark.
Yes grinder, you are a fool, 10 times over!
Dream on.
You accept the lies that bush,jr told or rationalize them away.
America was duped.
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"it is time for the American people to wise up.
From the very beginning, the so-called war on terror
was viewed by the Bush crowd as a magical smoke screen,
a political gift from the gods
that could be endlessly manipulated
to justify all kinds of policies and behavior --
including thesenseless war in Iraq --
that otherwise would never have been tolerated
by the Americanpeople."
--Mark Morford
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11 May 2007 02:44:58 PM |
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ekrubmeg wrote:
On May 11, 8:48 am, "grinder" <sea...@earthlink.invalid> wrote:
We have been told:
1. Iraq was an immediate threat to the U.S.
2. Iraq was involved in 911.
3. Iraq had WMDs
4. We will be greeted as liberators.
5. Iraq's oil revenue will fund reconstruction.
6. Success will be when Iraq has an elected government.
7. Success will be when Iraq has a constitution
8. The war will only cost the U.S. 7 billion dollars.
9. The insurgency is in it's last throws.
10. Mission Accomplished.
"Fool me once - shame on you. Fool me twice - I will not be fooled again."
What about being fooled 10 times?
1. Iraq wasn't an immediate threat, but certainly the possibality was
there.
2. No, I don't think they were directly involved in the 9/11 but point
of fact, if they had known about it in advance you can sure bet they
wouldn't have told us about it.
3. How many times to we have to go over this. What did Saddam gas the
Kurds with? channel #5?
4. There were those that greeted the US as liberators and quite often
they were killed. Fact!
5. Iraq's oil could help fund reconstruction if the dumb fools would
quit blowing up the oil line.
6. An elected government is a start, it is unfortunate Iraq's are
incapable of self rule
7. The Al Quid and others are working very hard to make the
constitution unworkable
8, And you came up with that number where?
9. The insurgency has had to resort to blowing up the populace in
general with stupid radicals that think they are going to someplace
with 30 virrgins after they blow themselves and 20 of their fellow
citizens to smitherines.
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10. The mission will be accomplished when Iraq is turned to glass and
glows in the dark.
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Oh gee... Looky here. Another Rightarded Megalomaniac sociopath.
A dime a a dozen in the Repuglick party...
Yes grinder, you are a fool, 10 times over!
Don't you idiots have some kind of crazy laugh after you say something
psychotic and stupid? ...too over-the-top is it?
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